ASWSU wants to improve the student experience ...by taking their seats away
Hit me, Evergreen:
The success of the men's basketball team has been consistent over the past several seasons, and the hype of the women's team is hotter than ever. As the men continue to rack up wins and the women look to stun opponents with their highly regarded recruiting class, WSU made a move to decrease student seating in Beasley Coliseum by 1,500 seats. ASWSU President Brandon Scheller said average attendance at basketball games last year was around 3,500 students, nearly 1,800 less than the 5,300 seats slotted for students. "We really weren�t filling up the stadium, which surprised the heck out of me," Scheller said.
So, as we discussed on this very blog earlier, the student section has been cut from 5,300 students to 3,800. What this article says is that the average student attendance last year was "around 3,500".
Let me explain what that "average" means, because I fear that the leadership at ASWSU lacks the math skills to understand. It means that during some games (UCLA, USC, Oregon) crowds were well above 3,500. While at others (NC A&T, Idaho, Nowheresville St) attendance was well below that. Lower attendance is also a given when students are on breaks, like Thanksgiving or winter. That is reflected in the "average", which doesn't paint a clear picture of how many student seats are really needed.
Now, here's why cutting the student section by 1,500 seats is a terrible idea. When you have those big games, you are now only allowing 300 seats above the average for students. If the crowds are anything like they've been the past few yeas for UCLA, etc. that means an even larger number of people will be shut out of the Coliseum despite waiting an even longer amount of time. Yes, the diehards are safe, but you have a large percentage of the casual fan base who won't even bother showing up. Why? Because why wait an hour or more when you aren't guaranteed seats, or are forced to sit in the second deck of Beasley? And with the baseline seating gone, a lot more students will be forced to watch the game with a nosebleed.
During the summer, the Athletic Department and ASWSU met and came to the conclusion that this problem needed to be resolved. Therefore, effective this season, the number of seats in the student section has dropped from 5,300 to 3,800. The seats, which are at the end of Beasley Coliseum closest to the visitors' bench, were given to the Athletic Department to sell to the general public.
The key words here are "during the summer". Want to get anything even remotely controversial pushed through ASWSU? Do it over the summer. Remember when the Bookie made the controversial decision to sell its management rights to Barnes and Noble? Over the summer. After all, how can students complain when they aren't around?
Also, this confirms my suspicion about the cut in student seats. ASWSU just let athletics have them, with few or no questions asked. That's 1,500 seats gone without so much as an e-mail to the ZZU CRU saying, "hey, we're thinking about doing this". Representative democracy at its finest.
"The last thing we wanted to do was turn students away, but we also don�t want any empty seats at Beasley," Scheller said.
Yes, that makes sense. But what seats weren't being taken up by students? Nosebleed seats. The lower bowl was consistently full.
Why is that important? Because if my understanding of WSU "law" is correct, athletics cannot take student seats without the approval of ASWSU. So why then, didn't ASWSU tell athletics we'll give them 500-1,000 seats in the second deck? I don't think even the most passionate students would've argued against that.
When I was a senator for the Graduate and Professional Student Association, the first thing I asked athletic director Jim Sterk in regards to Martin Stadium renovation was whether or not a renovated stadium would cause a change or reduction in student football seats. His reply was that it wouldn't, not without ASWSU approval, and later added that he was proud of the size of our student sections. I assume the same goes for basketball, and this article implicitly confirms that.
The Athletic Department made a push for the move to be made over the summer. Department officials believe it was the right move to be made for the program and for WSU students, said Casey Fox, director of marketing for WSU Athletics.
Obviously. Remember, as much as we try to believe in the innocence of college sports, athletics is a business, and a rather sharp one at that. They know that their revenue from sports passes is the same, more or less, regardless of how many student seats there are available. If they can add extra revenue on top of that - great for them. Although I don't believe for one second this argument about it being the "right move" for students, unless they are implying that this gives us the best shot of keeping Tony around long-term.
"This was a collaboration between ASWSU and the Athletic Department to help out the program with ticket sales, but to make sure to be fair to the students as well," Fox said.
The news of the move has evoked mixed emotions from students.
"(It's) completely absurd, taking away the students presence, especially near the visitors bench. It's like giving the opposing team a free slap on the heinie," freshman business major Bill Mace said.
Fair to the students? You can take seats, but don't try to twist around the reasoning. You did it for money, and to a lesser extent to "make sure all the seats are filled". By the way, even with the new seating sections, I doubt you'll see a sellout for Farleigh DIckinson or Mississippi Valley State.
Also, I don't not know who freshman business major Bill Mace is. But I like him.
The men's team faces Mississippi Valley State on Saturday night at home. The game will provide a preview to whether these changes will play a significant role in changing the attendance this season. For now, less student seating will be available, but the move was made to fill the coliseum stands, and help bring more passion to Friel Court, Scheller said.
"With the direction our basketball team is going, we want to keep the energy there. We still have the highest allocated percentage of student section seats in the Pac-10," Scheller said
More passion?
Who do you think is more passionate: a group of people aged 2-91 who stand up only during huge momentum swings and times out, or students who stand the whole game while they yell and swear and hold up signs? You can make a case for why you moved the students away from the baseline, but passion isn't one of them.
Why isn't the Tony card played in this whole article? To me, that's the only good reasoning for chopping students seats: we need Tony, therefore we need the money to keep Tony. This is a way to do that. Would that really be so hard to say?
Yes, we do have the highest allocated percentage of student section seats in the conference. However, here's a stat for you:
King County, population: 1.83 million
Whitman County, population: 39,838
Ok, so I cherry picked my stats, but it still makes the point. Which county with a major university is going to rely more on students to fill seats? We have the largest football and basketball student sections in terms of size and percentage of overall seats. There's a reason for that, though, which is we need those sections.
Also, Brandon Scheller was once a sportswriter for the Evergreen. Shouldn't he, more than anyone else on ASWSU, understand why it was a bad idea to cut so many seats? All this is really going to do for the students is antagonize them and make them a little more wary of their government.
When it comes down to it, the real reason this whole thing bothers me is the number. Those are 1,500 seats the students cannot get back. They are athletics' seats now, and you'll have to pry them out of their cold, dead hands (or wait for the program to sink to Paul Graham-type levels again). The reasonable and prudent thing for ASWSU to have done would be to cut 500-1,000 seats, and keep students on the baseline (or at the very least the bleachers on the baseline). Then, everyone walks away a little happier. More seats get filled by paying customers, and your homecourt advantage isn't hurt.
Furthermore, the sections behind the basket and section 36 (due to the students standing) are billed as "view obstructed" seats. Are those really going to generate tons of revenue? When I called to get tickets for the Baylor game, which I'm taking my Dad to, the attendant seemed to hint that I would want nothing to do with those sections. So why not fill them with students? Remember, it's the upper bowl that suffers when students haven't shown up, not the lower one.
It's not that the student section was chopped - it's where, and how much of it was cut. If ASWSU had done their homework, they would have noticed that. They didn't, and their constituents now have to pay the price.
Another reason to look forward to graduation.
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I mostly agree
though I don’t care as much as you, it seems. It was disappointing to see the nosebleed seats empty even for much of the Pac 10 season last year, and if the athletic department thinks that the seats can be filled with paying customers then I am fine with that. But to shaft the students into those seats by putting lower bowl seats up for sale is unfortunate. The worst of those seats actually have obstructed views of the court, which to me is inexcusable.
While I disagree with the nature of the move, including the specific seats reallocated and the summer legislation, I’m not sure if I disagree with the philosophy. Long term, it’s not the students who form the foundation of the athletic department, it’s the paying customers and the boosters. If the team is at least reasonably good, the students will show up and make noise. Providing extra benefits for the people with jobs and hopefully deep pockets is probably smart business, even if it comes at the expense of the students. I think the Evergreen article should have mentioned Tony Bennett for the reasons you gave, being probably the main reason that students would agree with the move. Most students will agree that more money leads to better coaches (or the one we have staying around!), charter flights for the team (better road success?), more recruiting trips (better players), and eventually to a continually competitive basketball program. Or at least in theory. Maybe we will end up with a national championship team someday playing in a new basketball coliseum (Bennett Memorial Center) that holds 25000 people with a 1500 seat student section. Would you take that tradeoff?
7 in a row, baby!
If we have a national championship
I would have no problem with that.
I also wrote a ton of words about something that really isn’t earth shattering…. that’s downright Bill SImmonsesque.
I feel like I should go donate some money to AIDS in Africa or a problem that’s actually important. But hey, I feel like the students should avoid getting pushed around wherever possible.
Also
I should make the caveat that Brandon Scheller and the athletic department are, as far as I know, good people.
However, this move wasn’t really about “helping” the students at all. That would be my thesis statement, if I used those sort of things, which I don’t.
True
I also didn’t realize that the projector screen in the corner had been moved, so those nosebleed seats aren’t as bad as they were last year.
7 in a row, baby!
by johnnycougar on Nov 16, 2008 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
I covered ASWSU for a year as a first-year reporter at the Evergreen
And all I can say is, there are few things that truly change when it comes to student government, whether it’s at the high school level or the university level. They still are more or less controlled by the institution and really only made to feel like they are the ones making the decision. It’s kind of like a marriage: The husband might be the head of the house, but the neck turns the head any way it wants.
I can’t speak for what ASWSU has been like since I left, but I know it was more or less a joke for the four years I was there. How else could a guy like Steve Wymer get elected … three times?!?!
Yes, we’re talking about THIS Steve Wymer. (I am literally begging you to click on the link.)
Holy cow, Scheller and I were coworkers.
That’s a little upsetting, though, knowing the guy (and this isn’t meant as a personal attack), frankly, unsuprising.
And let me reiterate.
Scheller’s a good guy, I don’t mean that as an attack. It just fits with the personality.
Also, I didn’t know he was the ASWSU president.
Ok..
So, I do not think taking the seats behind the basket was a smart move. Anyone who remembers Lodrick(or Rodrick?) Stewart choking in overtime missing one of 3 free throws knows just how important this section is. That said I think beggars cant be choosers, I would hope students would love a chance to watch top caliber teams even if that means nose bleeds. Those students who didn’t think it was worth it were the ones who didn’t show up last year. In the schools with the smaller student sections, people really fight for those seats. We were in the top 25 the whole season last year and people stayed at home! I hated that we claimed sell-outs, 10-12 rows at the top of each section in the student section were empty. I don’t think 1500 seats takes anything away from our homecourt advantage as you said, the lower bowl is still solid. Again, though I think you’re right. They should have opened it up to the ZZU CRU exec members at least. I mean the ASWSU exec members get field passes and can probably sit anywhere they want in Beasley so it likely doesn’t affect them. I think the seats they took away from the students is unfortunate, but honestly if the students can’t walk 5 minutes to Beasley for what works out to a few bucks a game it seems to make sense that someone who pays 30 bucks a ticket and drives in the snow should get the chance.
In contrast though, I also hate empty seats on the alumni side…the difference is those people can sell those seats or give them away, students can’t sell their sports passes.
I guess I have no conclusion, I just think it makes sense that they did it, but there should have been more input from the students that actually used those seats…
No conclusion, yes, but some really good points
And ASWSU execs get field passes? Somebody should have turned me on to this when I was still an undergrad.
About the numbers
Last year it snowed about 600 feet in Pullman over the winter, and most of the games were on TV. I know it’s not that far to walk to Beasley for most students, but even walking 20 minutes in a snowstorm isn’t fun when you have the option of drinking your favorite beverage and watching the game on your couch. I’m fairly confident that the heavy winter not only had an impact on the paid attendance but the student attendance as well.
Not so Bad
I would love to see the seats behind the basket remain, but overall you con’t complain too much. As the program gets better the student section will be trimmed, its a fact of college sports. If the school makes $350 on average for each seat that was made available, it will bring in at least $550,000. That doesn’t include mandatory donations, concessions, or the new courtside seating. The overall bennefit could get close to a million dollars.
I am a little angry that I will have to arive eariler this year, but maybe now we can rid of the casual fans that sit on their hands. I want to see the entire lower bowl jumping up and down. The only way that will happen is if more people wait more time to get in, and they feel like it is a bigger deal. The overall noise might go down, but a million bucks will help keep bennett here.
And another positive
This should help get some of the “you got swatted”-type chants get a little more synchronized
Anyway, there’s really nothing we can do about it for this year, but I think if enough people complain to their ASWSU reps or the athletic department the students might be able to gain some seats back next year. Of course, the key for the students is still: show up. Every game.
Student Section Outrage
I hope after tonight everyone will see what a big mistake the athletic department and ASWSU made in giving up 1500 student seats. I realize this game was against Mississippi Valley State, but look at the area behind the basket at tipoff:

At this time the student section was filled to the top, even the corner section where the video projector used to be, and a third of the people sitting here in the picture are students who snuck down. Last year, the whole section you see in the picture would have been full an hour and a half before the game. Think about how for the Gonzaga, UCLA Oregon, and most other Pac 10 games, students will be turned away from the door. Think about the home court advantage we will be giving up by having those crucial seats empty.
As a future Cougar alumni, this will discourage me from giving to the athletic department. It is sad to see we have sold out after 2 good seasons and forgotten the students that have supported us all along. Good luck finding people to show up for the Fairleigh Dickinson/Canisius games.
So what can you do about this?
-Read and comment on the article on CougCentral: http://www.cougcenter.com/2008/11/14/661723/aswsu- wants-to-improve-the
-Write a letter to the Evergreen: Opinion@dailyevergreen.com
-Give ASWSU President Brandon Scheller an earful for giving up these seats over the summer: brandon_scheller@wsu.edu
-Let Jim Sterk know how you feel: jsterk@wsu.edu
-Leave President Floyd a message with your feelings: PresidentsOffice@wsu.edu
-Leave your comments on this issue
-Give some feedback to the Men’s basketball program: http://wsucougars.cstv.com/feedback/wast-feedback. html
-Show up 6 hours early every game if you are a student and you want to get a decent seat
-Call President-elect Obama (Only if you have a lot of time on your hands) : (202) 224 – 2854
by StraightOuttaPullman on Nov 16, 2008 4:25 AM PST reply actions

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