Cougs defeat Fairleigh Dickinson, refs
Hey there Cougar Nation. I just got home from a rather ugly game where the Cougar defense led the way in a 55-33 victory over FDU.
Rather than write a traditional recap, I scored an interview with the three stars of the game. Of course, I'm talking about referees Lars Jurgenson, Joerg Johannson and Smiffy Whitehorse. And yes, I made those names up because I don't want to waste time with tracking down the real ones. But rest assured - they played a key role in a losing effort for Fairleigh Dickinson.
CougCenter: When you're officiating a game horribly, how important is it to come out and set the tone early?
Lars Jurgenson: It's key. When we called only two team fouls on FDU in the first half, we wanted to send the message that we were going to phone in this entire game. Some bad officials give in to the home crowd; others play reverse psychology by officiating against the home team when they get riled up against you. That's what we did tonight, and the anger of the fans really kept us motivated.
Joerg Johannson: My ego is more important than officiating a fair game. So when Cameron Tyler did everything but claw Taylor Rochestie's eyes out on the last possession of the first half, I was pretty amped. Bad officiating means pocketing the whistle, even when it means risking injuries on either side of the ball.
CC: Super. You certainly lost control at the end of the game as well, when you let FDU foul WSU away from the ball in the full court press, leading to turnovers and bad blood that ultimately materialized when 5'10" Ronald Brown attempted to dunk on Charlie Enquist with 1 second left.
Smiffy Whitehorse: You betcha. The WWE is a multi-billion dollar business. People love drama. My favorite show, for example, is "Gossip Girl" on the C-dub. That's why when I officiate a game I like to let things get as chippy as possible. Letting Ronald Brown throw his body around like a Cirque Du Soleil acrobat was just one of the many things that I believe helped make this game entertaining.
CC: Of course, you don't want to be too obvious. Tim Donaghy is in prison, after all. You made a brilliant move when you awarded FDU a timeout when they didn't have the ball, then charged them with a technical foul.
JJ: Things like that are why I got into the reffing biz. That and, of course, the beautiful women and fast cars.
CC: Talk a bit about our CougCenter player of the game, Nikola Koprivica.
LJ: Sure thing. He was four of six from the field, two of four from three, played solid defense and added three steals with no turnovers. 10 points total and efficient doing it. I was hoping we'd rattle him along with the rest of the team, but that just didn't happen tonight. European players just know how to win us over.
CC: You also made an atrocious no-call on our CougCenter play of the game, a fast break dunk by Caleb Forrest over an FDU player, that really should have been an and-one.
SW: Even great plays aren't immune from bad officiating. We made it up to WSU by awarding a series of ticky-tack fouls in favor of Fairleigh Dickinson on the other end.
CC: Made it up to WSU? I'm confused.
JJ: We wanted to help the Cougars. Games with bad officiating build character. That's what this was all about.
LJ: We tried our hardest to frustrate the Cougars, as well as give the visiting Dick Bennett a heart attack in his seat near the WSU bench. It failed. The Cougars played great team defense tonight, and that's really what led them to this win. They also settled down and started making shots against FDU's zone defense in the second half (the first zone they've seen all year). Down the road they'll thank us for doing such a terrible job. WSU is a young team and they can't help but benefit by walking away from this game with a 22-point win.
CC: Well then... Thanks?
JJ: You're welcome.
CC: By the way, please don't show up at any of our home or away games for the remainder of the season.
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Anyone watching the Arizona game?
Holy crap that’s fail.
by philkid3 on
Nov 18, 2008 10:41 PM PST
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Really?
The Cougs win a game by a 40% margin and you are going to use bitching about the officiating as the foundation of your blog piece. Honestly, I expect better from this site.
Bro, you were at the game, that is a luxury that not many Coug fans get these days. My guess is that many of your readers on this site do not live in Pullman, and with the game not being televised, this is the post game recap? With this season being a monumental opportunity to gain respect for a program, and show what a great coach Tony Bennett is, I would think that you would actually want to contribute a bit of first hand observations about how the team played to your readership that was unable to witness it. I’m sure your readers would appreciate it.
Look, I don’t know what your main motive is in managing this site; but I don’t read blogs that become people’s personal sounding boards. I read blogs to be informed. I followed Nuss over here because I respect him as a journalist and I respect his analysis, and he must respect your work (otherwise he wouldn’t have partnered with you) so I’m not going to bash you on your own site. I will, however, challenge you to write for your readers, and not for yourself.
I chose to sit in that arena and watch games that included Nick Graham and Leaf Nelson, and endure the embarrassment of the Paul Graham era, so to listen to someone whine about officiating when their team won a game by 22 points makes me want to puke off the Montlake Bridge. It wreaks of a spoiled UW graduate, and makes me ashamed of my brethren.
Strive beyond mediocrity and pursue excellence, or maybe I should just go elsewhere for Cougar basketball game analysis.
by Jo-Jo on
Nov 18, 2008 10:52 PM PST
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Well....
I thought it was an entertaining post, not saying it should always be used in lieu of a more traditional recap, but I don’t see any problem with a little comedy.
by JonF on
Nov 18, 2008 11:04 PM PST
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I'm glad I wrote this post, actually...
…not because I was intending to stir things up; but because whenever we can find out from our members what they want from the blog, well, that’s a good thing.
I feel like I should address some of the points Jo-Jo made.
First, let me say that this post is a once in a blue moon type deal. If you scroll down you’ll be hard pressed to find another post like it. Yes, I occasionally goof around on my Pac-10 power poll or other recurring features, but part of that is because I don’t have an hour to devote to researching every other team in the conference. Also, I feel like we as a society take sports too seriously. Watch ESPN for an hour or two and you’ll be smacked with superlatives describing the importance of this weekend’s key NFC south matchup. Read Gregg Easterbrook’s thoughts on Spygate from last year and you’ll have a perfect example of a relatively minor issue (in the grand scheme of things) blown completely out of proportion. Sports aren’t as important as the more serious issues in life, so we should take sports a little more lightly than we do.
I have to disagree on the argument that you could hear what I wrote at any bar in the state. At any bar I probably would’ve heard some of the same things I did last night, such as “F—- you, ref” or “You suck” or any number of verbal insults directed at the officials. What you probably don’t hear at bars are any sort of attempt to be clever or thoughtful, or provide an ounce of meaningful analysis. If you read my post again, you’ll notice that I intentionally snuck in some analysis – particularly about Nikola Koprivica, the team’s early shooting woes and why a game like this may actually help the young Cougars.
I think what you’re ultimately disagreeing with is the tone. My style of writing is made up in large part by the blogs I’m infulenced by – Fire Joe Morgan, USS Mariner, Lookout Landing, Will Leitch’s stuff from Deadspin, etc. And those blogs have a certain tone that gets bashed on by the mainstream media from time to time. Mainly due to the fact that it doesn’t fit the media’s ideals of objectivity and “professionalism”. The problem is it’s some serious pot-calling-kettle black stuff. Read this article, then my post, and see if you can tell which one was actually published in a newspaper. I’m not saying Brandon Scheller’s stuff is wrong, not at all, but I’m saying if you read “mainstream” writing from people like Bill Simmons or Rick Reilly, it’s sometimes hard to tell the difference between them and an experienced blogger.
As for our blog’s creed that you referenced, that hearkens back to your old WSU Hoops, a blog that I loved to read, and while I discovered the blog more when it was Nuss doing the posting, I agree with the statement and your philosophy. Nuss is a better writer than I am, and also does a better job of elevating the intelligence of the discussion on the blog. I try to shoot for those higher goals as well, but one of the great things about being a blogger is you aren’t forced to follow the constraints of the mainstream media. If I want to write a post that’s one extended joke like this one, I can. And these types of post will be few and far between. Plus it was fun to write – when you’re putting a lot of time into something that isn’t your real job, I think it’s better to have fun with it than try to write an AP-style recap every time.
Also, does insightful discussion mean only serious discussion? I don’t think it does. I think this post was a little better thought out than a post saying “Huskies suck” with a picture of Calvin peeing on the W. Anyone can do that. It’s tough to do something humerous, and I’m sure 50% of our readers got a laugh and 50% hated it. That happens sometimes.
More thoughtful, serious analysis is on the way. And I wouldn’t do this sort of thing for a more high-profile recap like UCLA, Gonzaga, etc. My only regret is shorting the people who couldn’t see the game some good quality analysis. That will happen, though, and I think what I did write captured the overall theme of the game; which is that the refs spoiled what could have been a clean, defensive contest. Anyone who was at the game knows how angry the crowd and both coaches got throughout the 40 minutes. The fans and the teams deserved better.
by Grady. on
Nov 19, 2008 7:28 PM PST
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When I said "read this article"
I meant to link to this one: http://www.dailyevergreen.com/story/23305
by Grady. on
Nov 19, 2008 7:31 PM PST
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Alright, let's put this thing to bed.
Grady, I have nothing but respect for what you guys do here. That is why I made the comments I made. I respect the fact that this is an arena where you can do what ever you want, and that freedom is great. I don’t desire AP style recaps, I desire Cougar sports analysis from you.
Simplified to this, my point was that the officiating had no effect on the outcome of the game and it felt like an utter waste of time to read. I tell you this because I only assume that you would want your readers to NOT feel like reading your posts are a waste of their time. I’m being your advocate here, by excersizing some contsructive criticism.
As for your tone; I give you full marks for being creative and entertaining. When your tone is contextualized, however, it really sounded like a fan whining about officiating after his team dominated a lesser opponent. It doesn’t matter how much it’s dressed up with creativity and humer if the basis of content is weak. As a wise man once said, “Sewer rat may taste like pumkin pie, but I wouldn’t know because I wouldn’t eat the filthy muthah fu*&#@.”
But hey, your blog – your world. Consider my mouth closed from here on out. I will only comment on the team. I hope you see that I’m on your side here. I come at you like this because I think you have talent. If I have high expectations prior to reading one of you posts, it is because you have set such a high bar for yourself in your previous work. You should take it as a compliment.
I’m out,
Go Cougs!
by Jo-Jo on
Nov 21, 2008 3:14 PM PST
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Grady, don't worry
I think that was great!
Jo-jo, by all means…go pursue your analysis elsewhere if you don’t have a sense of humor. And, in all fairness…this really was a terribly officiated game for both sides. How do you know he isn’t going to write an actual game analysis? this was likely just a warm-up, similar to the post-game write-up following MSVS, which there was a short post right after the game followed by a long-in depth analysis. Seriously, lighten up!
by MLips on
Nov 18, 2008 11:05 PM PST
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and...
in the Paul Graham (and the first few of the bennett) era, we would all have to settle for AP write-ups anyway.
by MLips on
Nov 18, 2008 11:08 PM PST
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Fair enough
Hey, if you guys knew me, you’d know that I have a sense of humor that would make Richard Prior piss his pants. But I also have a bit of pride, and listening to a fellow Coug complain about officiating (even if it was poor) after his Pac-10 team just destroyed a crappy little school’s squad is disappointing. Especially when this is what is in the Blog description:
“we aim to bring – and encourage – the kind of smart, thoughtful analysis about Cougar athletics you won’t find anywhere else.”
I can find that kind of gibberish in any bar in the state.
by Jo-Jo on
Nov 18, 2008 11:22 PM PST
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understandable
…all I’m saying is Nuss and Grady really have yet to disappoint in the news/special features/analysis department so there is no reason to think that this humorous post-game report will be the norm. And again, my guess is there will be an actual game recap to follow.
by MLips on
Nov 18, 2008 11:27 PM PST
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Maybe I should just curb my excitement, then ...
I’m a passionate Coug that has endured the ups and downs of the past decade or so. I now live in Boise, ID where I have to listen to delusional Boise State fans ALL THE TIME. That post, sounded the way my Sunday morning sounds after the Broncos pummeled Fred’s College by a score of 77-0.
I know Nuss very well. We’ve played ball together, we’ve attended historical Cougar events together, we’ve worked in journalism together, hell we were even in each others weddings. Anything with his name on it I hold in very high regard. But that also comes with high expectations.
My point is this; for those like myself, who do not have a chance to see this team until it’s on television, and with all the question marks about this freshman class, it would have been nice to hear a bit more about how this team played then about how the refs sucked.
Maybe I should just wait ’til tomorrow, but if he was going to spend that much time being creative, he could have also been informative.
by Jo-Jo on
Nov 18, 2008 11:38 PM PST
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My thought
Is that there just wasn’t that much to say about the game. Being there in person, the clear storyline was how much the refs were letting go unpunished and what call they would make next. Farleigh Dickinson wasn’t anything special, heck if anything they reminded me a bit of our team not too long ago (aggressive D and patient O), and it was frustrating to watch.
I too hope that Grady does put up a more traditional recap as well. Or maybe Nuss will come along with a Pomeriffic analysis (more likely imo)!
7 in a row, baby!
by johnnycougar on
Nov 19, 2008 11:26 AM PST
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Overall, we had trouble on the offensive side of the ball—-if you couldn’t tell by the stats. Nothing was going in. Defense was really good though. I can think of maybe one or two times a shot was made by the other team that wasn’t completely contested.
Abe Lodwick- I hate to say it, but he seems almost like liability when he is on the floor. His specialty is the Three and when they’re not going down, he picks up ticky tack fouls and a few turn overs.
Klay Thompson- Smooth handle. GREAT defender (really locks down the player almost like Weaver, but on occasion leaves his guy to help a teammate). Has a really smooth release. Once he gets comfortable at the college level, his shooting % is going to become much better. Overall, a smart, mature player.
DeAngelo Casto- athletic. he plays with a lot of enthuism so he picks fouls (sometimes ticky tack fouls that don’t look like much). You can tell he likes blocking shots and dunking.
Marcus Capers- he is my favorite to watch. he fits in Bennett’s system perfectly- taking the ball across the court slowly and able to speed past defenders. All around guy—picking up rebounds, giving assists, controls the point well. This past game he showed a great skill in blocking shots (even blocked a shot perfectly on a guy who had a breakaway layup)
Aron Baynes- he looks tiny compared to last year haha. definitely showed some improvement on the rebounds, but he still needs to be a bit quicker with his feet. still the same shooting skills from last, but he doesn’t pick up fouls as quickly!
Taylor Rochestie- same as last year so far. i think right now, he is letting the freshman gain more experience by standing back a bit. he really needs to focus on his own scoring, but i guess we haven’t really needed it in the past two games.
Daven Harmeling- He has really taken the role of a PF. He takes on the bigger guys and grabs more rebounds. Haven’t seen much three point shooting yet.
Nikola Koprivica- He is like the 2006 version of himself with experience. He cuts in for a lay-up and picks up fouls on occasion and love shooting from the 3.
Caleb Forest- if we’re in a scoring drought, give the ball to Caleb! Perfect 6th man to come off the bench and score some points.
Charlie Enquist- Hasn’t played enough for me to really know his strengths and weaknesses
So far our Defense has looked as good as before, but we haven’t played against more athlectic, talented teams, so it’s too early to tell really. This past game wasn’t so exciting, but there were some smalls things that we haven’t seen from this team in awhile (athletic shot blocking and crazy dunks for one). I’m really excited to see how we match up with UCLA, but we have work to do until then. It should be a fun year :)
by james_WSU on
Nov 19, 2008 1:16 AM PST
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Mississippi State will should give us an idea how well WSU will do against a more athletic team. They look pretty good and will provide a good test for the freshmen. I’m especially thinking Casto will get an understanding of what it is like to play against long and athletic forwards.
It would be great to start with 5 wins but 1 game at a time for sure.
by BornCoug on
Nov 19, 2008 1:51 AM PST
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yea, Mississippi st has had a great start so far and they like defense too and the next day we’re playing Pitt or Texas tech :O
by james_WSU on
Nov 19, 2008 2:57 AM PST
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I can't wait to see DeAngelo Casto and Jarvis Varnado on the floor at the same time
It will by like the Karate Kid and Mr. Miyagi.
If you know nothing about Varnado, read this.
by Nuss on
Nov 19, 2008 8:41 AM PST
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