HOOPS GAME THREAD: Sacramento State at WSU
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 21, 2008 5:00 PM PST
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Sacramento St. Hornets at Washington St. Cougars, Nov 21, 2008 6:00 PM PST
PROBABLE STARTERS
| WSU (*used redsirt) | Vitals | Sac State(*used redsirt) | Vitals | |||
| G | Taylor Rochestie (Sr.*) | 6-1/193 | G | Loren Leath |
6-2/190 | |
| G | Klay Thompson (Fr.) | 6-6/187 | G | Mike Marcial |
6-1/180 | |
| G | Nikola Koprivica (Jr.) | 6-6/217 | G | Donald Thomas |
6-6/215 | |
| F | Daven Harmeling (Sr.*) | 6-7/227 | F | Justin Eller |
6-8/235 | |
| C | Aron Baynes (Sr.) | 6-10/250 | F | Mike Edwards |
6-11/205 |
The Cougs have played two pretty bad teams so far this year, producing two comfortable wins. That's great news. Even better news? This is probably the worst team to visit Beasley Coliseum yet.
Now, this team was terrible last year, rating 330 out of 340 teams in Ken Pomeroy's system. But we know for sure that this team is terrible in a totally different way than last year's team. Why? New coach Brian Katz didn't feel like waiting around to rebuild -- he restocked his roster almost exclusively with JC transfers. Twelve of them, to be exact. (That is not a typo.) The result has been a team that has predictably produced two poor offensive performances and two bad defensive performances against marginal competition (Fresno State and UC Riverside).
These guys are still introducing themselves to each other, and let's just say that Friel Court is not the place for a team to find its sea legs. There's no way the Cougs lose this game, and there's really no way it's even close. The freshmen will continue to get valuable minutes, while guys like Aron Baynes and Taylor Rochestie will again get to play hard for about a half and rest their bodies for more meaningful competition.
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ya
I had four people bail on me, so here I am. Looks like the websites are only doing the score updates every 5 minutes, no play by play, no box score. WEAK
by peaty411s on Nov 21, 2008 6:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/boxscore?gid=200811210632
and they’ve got this GameChannell feature. I’m checkin out.
by Jo-Jo on Nov 21, 2008 6:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
yeah
they’ve taken a lot of three’s. This team must be playin’ a zone.
by Jo-Jo on Nov 21, 2008 6:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Considering they have a 24 road losing streak, this is surprising so far. But they won’t shoot 62% the whole way against us.
by peaty411s on Nov 21, 2008 6:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No kidding
cougs were up 10-3 and then, whammy.
Cougs need to make some shots
by Jo-Jo on Nov 21, 2008 6:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
My unreasonable expectations born of the last two games are starting to lower. . .
by philkid3 on Nov 21, 2008 6:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ya
Im a student here, I would be there tonight but my bro is getting drunk somewhere, my roomate is playing soccer, my other friends are doing other stuff. Man, they have their priorities all messed up. Last game we just made a lot of freshman mistakes, turnovers, bad shots, but the D was solid.
by peaty411s on Nov 21, 2008 6:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I can tell you right now
the way they run the offense Klay will get a ton of looks this year. They really give him the greenlight to shoot whenver he has a decent look. His shot was off the first two games, but tonight, he is 4 of 5 from three already.
by peaty411s on Nov 21, 2008 6:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
you are so lucky
my last year in Pullman was Harmelings freshman year. With Robbie, Derrick, and Kyle.
and Josh Akognon missed a jumper to beat Gonazaga that year.
by Jo-Jo on Nov 21, 2008 6:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They really
screw people on the parking here, its crazy. I paid 240 bucks for a premium yellow pass but on game days I can’t park yellow, blue, at the free tennis courts, or even at the REC Center, they say you have to be dressed to go into the rec to park there. It’s such bull,
by peaty411s on Nov 21, 2008 6:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You'd think that in the middle of farm land they could figure some decent parking
What part of town do you live in?
by Jo-Jo on Nov 21, 2008 6:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That sucks, but at least you didn't have to
get in line at 11 a.m. on a thursday for a 7 p.m. game against UCLA to get 14th row seats
by peaty411s on Nov 21, 2008 6:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
North side
In providence court at the brand new Churchill downs
by peaty411s on Nov 21, 2008 6:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I worked in the athletic department
I was spoiled
by Jo-Jo on Nov 21, 2008 6:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I've never been a big Harmeling fan
He used to be too one dimensional, he couldn’t drive, or rebound really. This year he is better a better all around PF I think, but his 3 ball is still too inconsistent. 25 points one game, then 7 points the next 5. As I type this he hits another one, lol
by peaty411s on Nov 21, 2008 6:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was a big Harmeling fan.
But it’s because he’s a really, really awesome guy.
by philkid3 on Nov 21, 2008 6:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but when he's on he wins games single handedly
Think about the Stanford game two years ago
by Jo-Jo on Nov 21, 2008 6:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ya, he is valuable
But I would almost start Forrest over him. Forest inside of the 3 point line has a much more consistant game, I think. He made an impressive dunk last game driving and going over a defender.
by peaty411s on Nov 21, 2008 6:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to fall deeply in love with Klay Thompson.
I can feel it.
by philkid3 on Nov 21, 2008 6:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I can feel it too.
This guy could end up being the greatest Coug ever. Praise the Lord!
by Jo-Jo on Nov 21, 2008 6:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd start 'em both, but I'm old school like that.
I’ve got that Dean Smith mentality. I’d start Rochestie, Koprivica, Harmeling, Forrest, and Baynes. Role with the upperclassmen. I’d bring the freaky, athletic freshman off the bench. I bet the minutes wouldn’t be any different in the end, but think it’s a respect and knowledge thing with me.
by Jo-Jo on Nov 21, 2008 6:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
At the Half
13 point lead, its pretty safe, but what interesting is our bench players have only taken 3 shots, and they only have 1 point. Bennett must be playing the starters overtime to make sure CSUS stays where they belong
by peaty411s on Nov 21, 2008 6:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So what do we hope for in the second half?
The Cougs scoring 100? or holding Sac under 50?
by Jo-Jo on Nov 21, 2008 6:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Efficiency.
As long as the starters are in, as much of it as possible.
As football outsiders says, champions are defined not by their ability to win close games but by their ability to dominate inferior opponents.
by philkid3 on Nov 21, 2008 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bennett is a fan
of the 3 guard lineup, and with only 4 playable big men, running 3 as starters might not be the best. That said I would like to see that lineup on the floor from time to time.
by peaty411s on Nov 21, 2008 6:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sac under 50
They are shooting 52, that won’t hold. We are shooting 48, that probably will hold, and we will see the bench guys get more time in the 2nd half.
by peaty411s on Nov 21, 2008 6:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would prefer Sac under 50 as well
but it would be pretty dope to see the Cougs drop a hundo on someone.
by Jo-Jo on Nov 21, 2008 6:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that is a bit YMCA
Marching 4 tall white dudes out there for tip-off.
by Jo-Jo on Nov 21, 2008 6:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Closer than I anticipated
Hey, first post here, coug alum ’07
After our first 2 spectacular defense games, I can’t help but feel a little disappointed at allowing 28 at half… it’s Tony’s fault for setting the bar so high :)
by dc_coug on Nov 21, 2008 7:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They already are 1 point short
of our average allowed PPG. But we will win by 20-30, so we’re fine. I can’t believe we have taken 17 3 point shots and 13 2’s.
by peaty411s on Nov 21, 2008 7:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
washington... dc
I always have to specify “washington…… state” when telling people when I’m from — they assume DC if you just say washington here
But yeah I got a job and moved out here after graduation… bringing crimson & gray to the east coast!
by dc_coug on Nov 21, 2008 7:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind them amping up the possesions per game
as long as their efficiency remains strong.
by Jo-Jo on Nov 21, 2008 7:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
anyone watching the NO/OKC game?
waiting for Kyle Weaver to make an appearance…
by dc_coug on Nov 21, 2008 7:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Who do you think
Will lead the team in PPG this year? Rochestie, Baynes, or Klay?
by peaty411s on Nov 21, 2008 7:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I thought Baynes pre-season.
But I’m starting to lean towards Klay.
by philkid3 on Nov 21, 2008 7:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It looks like he's getting the most shots
so I hope he leads the team in scoring.
by Jo-Jo on Nov 21, 2008 7:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I said I would buy a Weaver jersey nomater where he went.
I didn’t buy one.
by peaty411s on Nov 21, 2008 7:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
BAYNES!
What can I say, I’m a believer. I definitely remember groaning whenever Baynes got the ball 2 years ago — horrible ballhanding, footwork, couldn’t finish….
But the guy has gotten better each season, almost visibly game to game. I wouldn’t be surprised if Klay leads this year in PPG, but I think Baynes would be more efficient with his shots and points and we need him to step up in order to be a serious contender this year.
by dc_coug on Nov 21, 2008 7:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
With his size
if he has a polished game, he his such an asset
by Jo-Jo on Nov 21, 2008 7:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Baynes
only takes high percentage shots, Klay, not so much. Case and point tonight… Baynes 11 points on 4 shots + free throws, Klay 14 points on 10 shots. It goes with the position but I’m just gladwe have em both. I thought Rochestie would lead the team, though
by peaty411s on Nov 21, 2008 7:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think guarding the peremiter will still be our achilles heel this year.
I guess there’s a silver lining in the deeper arc.
by philkid3 on Nov 21, 2008 7:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's what excites me about the future
These young guys are long and athletic. If the hustle on their close-outs this defense will be awesome for the next four years.
by Jo-Jo on Nov 21, 2008 7:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Rochestie
This year he’s definitely developing into the true point guard role — and (not that I know him personally) but I think it fits his personality — getting his teammates good looks and racking up assists. I think he’ll actually end up averaging lower than last year, but still be a better player overall.
by dc_coug on Nov 21, 2008 7:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He is a smooth ball handler
There is no doubt he will start at point next year. I have only seen him for about 10 minutesbut I think he has the skills to get the ocassional tripple double. He had 6/6/9 his first game, with 25 minutes. I love the prospect of Capers, Thomson, Casto, Harthun for 4 years
by peaty411s on Nov 21, 2008 7:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Rochestie has been my favorite player
for awhile. A real Bennett guy. Last game, he had two chances for easy points but he gives it off to Casto on one, someone else on the other one, to give the Freshmen some poins and confidence. And the whole scholarship thing.
by peaty411s on Nov 21, 2008 7:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if Boeke will ever pan out.
I had high hopes for him. What a line-up that would be in three years.
by Jo-Jo on Nov 21, 2008 7:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
LOL
You guys have GOT to hit the “reply” button. You’re confusing the heck out of me.
;)
by philkid3 on Nov 21, 2008 7:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's a lot, I hope they don't make a habit out of turning games in to 3 point contests
by Jo-Jo on Nov 21, 2008 7:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ahh... reply
Yeah, 26 attempts is a lot. Seems like every time my gamechannel updates it’s about a 3 pointer.
by dc_coug on Nov 21, 2008 7:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How bout Casto?
My favorite player back when I was in school was Ivory Clark and I’ve heard about all the comparisons to him and DeAngelo so I’ve definitely got an eye on him this year! Have you guys read this PI article?
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/cbasketball/388575_wsufrosh20.html
I love this quote from him:
“I feel like there’s nothing funner than jumping up in the air and going to get a block or going up and getting a rebound.”
Gotta love a guy who uses the word “funner”
by dc_coug on Nov 21, 2008 7:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jesus.
We’re one of those Raining Threes schools now? lol
Also: Congratulations to Taylor on his first double-double.
by philkid3 on Nov 21, 2008 7:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Come on Nik
I wanna see five Cougs in double figures
by Jo-Jo on Nov 21, 2008 7:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Charlie in on the action with a hook shot
by peaty411s on Nov 21, 2008 7:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Reshirt guys
So is it official Tony’s redshirting Harthun and Watson? I wonder what his plan will be for John Allen… I’m pretty curious what this kid can be capable of. Call me optimistic but I think in a couple years he can develop into a pretty good pac-10 caliber kinda guy.
by dc_coug on Nov 21, 2008 7:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i didn't mess that one up
that was at the same time lol
by peaty411s on Nov 21, 2008 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Harthun wont be redshirted!?!
Im confused, are we only giving the crimson shirt to Watson
by peaty411s on Nov 21, 2008 7:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Harthun is in?
He’s not getting red shirted?
by philkid3 on Nov 21, 2008 7:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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