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OPEN HOOPS GAME THREAD: WSU vs. Canisius

Canisius Golden Griffins at Washington St. Cougars, Nov 25, 2008 7:00 PM PST


Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008, 7:00 PM PST
Friel Court

PROBABLE STARTERS

WSU (*used redsirt) Vitals Sac State(*used redsirt) Vitals
G Taylor Rochestie (Sr.*) 6-1/193 G Frank Turner (Jr.)
5-10/165
G Klay Thompson (Fr.) 6-6/187 G Robert Goldsberry (So.)
6-0/175
G Nikola Koprivica (Jr.) 6-6/217 G Elton Frazier (So.)
6-5/196
F Daven Harmeling (Sr.*) 6-7/227 F Rishawn Johnson (So.)
6-7/275
C Aron Baynes (Sr.) 6-10/250 C Chris Gadley (Jr.*)
6-9/320

 

Without a doubt, Canisius will be the stiffest test WSU has faced this year, but that's not saying a whole lot. The Griffs are rated No. 132 by Ken Pomeroy, the highest of any opponent so far, but take that for what it's worth -- the Cougs are still No. 4 in Pomeroy's rating system, and Utah is No. 1.

No, that's not why this is the stiffest test so far. The actual reason is simple: Because Canisius features two guys who could, without question, play in the Pac-10 from an athletic standpoint, and will consequently present a defensive challenge unlike anything the Cougs have faced this year.

It starts with 6-foot-9, 320-pound -- that is not a typo -- center Chris Gadley. I've never seen Gadley play, but everything I read on him is that he is not the lumbering frontcourt player that his weight would suggest. He's apparently surprisingly quick with his feet, and will even step out for the occasional 3-pointer:


FG 3PT FT Rebounds Misc
G M M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
2008 - Chris Gadley 3 25.0 6.0 11.7 51.4 1.7 2.7 62.5 3.7 5.0 73.3 3.0 6.7 9.7 1.3 2.0 0.0 1.3 1.7 17.3

Gadley should present a unique opportunity for us to see just how much progress Aron Baynes has made this year. For the first time, the Cougs are playing an opponent with a big man that can physically match up with Baynes. If he is able to contain Gadley without getting into a lot of foul trouble, that would be a heck of a nice thing to see heading into that matchup with Jarvis Varnado of Mississippi State (even though Varnado is a totally different kind of player).

While I'm curious about the individual matchup, the actual key to containing Gadley will be the team defense. Canisius is not a particularly good shooting team -- 44.6 eFG%, 254th nationally -- so expect WSU to deny the post and collapse hard on Gadley when he does get the ball, knowing the 3-pointer just isn't much of a threat.

The other legitimate player Canisius features is junior point guard Frank Turner. He plays a huge number of minutes (84.4% in 2007-08) and scores points, but he's not a particularly efficient scorer -- he used more than 25 percent of the Griffs' possessions but posted just a 90.2 offensive rating. That basically means he takes a lot of shots without scoring enough points to justify it.

While Turner will pile up some points, where he really has done his damage in the past is as a distributor; he ranked 43rd nationally last year in assist rate (33.3). However, he's off to a terrible start this year in that regard, down to just 19.4 this year. He will also turn the ball over plenty -- part of the reason the Griffs give the ball away in one out of every four possessions, ranking 314th in turnover percentage -- so look for the Cougs to pressure Turner a lot.

On offense, WSU is in for its biggest challenge. Canisius' high Pomeroy rating is mostly on the strength of its defense, which has been solid so far. A big key for the Griffs has been keeping opponents off the offensive glass, which they've done with great effectiveness, save for the Buffalo game. They've held their opponents to low effective field goal percentages, but for the most part, their opponents have shot poorly against all their opponents, so I don't know how much that has to do with the Griffs.

Look for this to be yet another easy victory as the Cougs bring this homestand to a close.

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not a great start… i wish i could watch this on tv somewhere. its the first game i’ve missed this season and it sucks :(

by james_WSU on Nov 25, 2008 7:15 PM PST reply actions  

haha so it went from 10- 9 to 20-9 in one reload lol

by james_WSU on Nov 25, 2008 7:18 PM PST reply actions  

I agree. It’s weird not being there, but at least we’re doing well. I’m listening on the radio, but I’m getting some weird interference.

by brlogan on Nov 25, 2008 7:30 PM PST reply actions  

Nice D

It’s halftime and the Griffs have 15 pts, and we’ve also held Gadley to only 4. Not shooting so well but ya gotta be impressed at our D!

by dc_coug on Nov 25, 2008 7:44 PM PST reply actions  

Radio

It depends on your area. You can see the stations at the bottom of this page: http://wsucougars.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/radio-network.html

I’m listening to 850AM because I’m in the Tacoma, WA area.

by brlogan on Nov 25, 2008 7:50 PM PST reply actions  

Thompson likes to shoot

I haven’t seen the Cougs play yet, but it sure seems like Thompson is putting up a lot of shots and not making many … do you think this is part of the game plan, or is he a bit undisciplined when it comes to the team philosophy?

by HitKing69 on Nov 25, 2008 8:20 PM PST reply actions  

Bennett gave him the green light to shoot whenever he feels like he has a good shot. He is a smart player and a good shooter, but sometimes it feels like he is trying too hard. I get more worried whenever Lodwick is playing. He has a great shot during practice and stuff but he really forces it during games and they don’t go in…

by james_WSU on Nov 25, 2008 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

1st half vs 2nd half

first half: Cougs up 39-15
second half: Cougs down 27-26

We really need to guard the three better. Other teams seem to always shoot more than 40% of their 3’s.

by james_WSU on Nov 25, 2008 8:35 PM PST reply actions  

bored

i think when your in the 4th game of the season and up by 20 again early you can’t help get a bit bored. as a fan you don’t like to see it, but its bound to happen. i do like the fact they only shot something like 4 free throws. we are going to know a lot more about this squad after weekend. lets hope that means being ranked in the top 25.

by donkeyjon12 on Nov 25, 2008 8:49 PM PST reply actions  

also

1st half, we saw a rotation of the starters + Casto + Forrest + a couple minutes of Capers. 2nd half, Baynes, Harmeling, and Koprivica only got about 6 minutes each, while Lodwick and Capers played most of the half. There’s still a dropoff on D with our young bench, hopefully to be improved during the rest of the non-con.

Also, despite the rumors of his uber skillz, I have decided it is better for my health if I expect Lodwick to miss every shot. Tony keeps sticking with him rather than bumping Witherill up the depth chart, so he must be seeing something he likes, but at this rate Abe will be buried on the bench soon enough.

7 in a row, baby!

by johnnycougar on Nov 25, 2008 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

this weekend is going to be tough

If we beat Mississippi st. on Friday, then we’ll likely play Pitt on Saturday. If we’re undefeated this week, we WILL be ranked without a doubt.

by james_WSU on Nov 25, 2008 9:03 PM PST reply actions  

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