OPEN HOOPS GAME THREAD: Stanford at WSU
Stanford Cardinal @ Washington St. Cougars
7 PM PST -- Friel Court at Beasley Coliseum
Kenpom.com prediction: Cougs win 58-57 (62 possesions, 53 percent confidence)
PROBABLE STARTERS
| WSU Cougars | Ht. | Wt. | Pos. | Yr. | PPG | RPG | APG |
| Taylor Rochestie | 6-1 | 193 | G | Sr. | 10.8 | 3.7 | 4.3 |
| Klay Thompson | 6-6 | 187 | G | Fr. | 11.1 | 4.8 | 1.6 |
| Nikola Koprivica | 6-6 | 211 | G | Jr. | 5.1 | 3.5 | 1.9 |
| Caleb Forrest | 6-8 | 223 | F | Sr. | 6.2 | 3.4 | 0.4 |
| Aron Baynes | 6-10 | 250 | C | Sr. | 11.1 | 6.0 | 0.6 |
| Stanford Cardinal | Ht. | Wt. | Pos. | Yr. | PPG | RPG | APG |
| Mitch Johnson | 6-1 | 185 | G | Sr. | 8.4 | 2.0 | 4.5 |
| Anthony Goods | 6-3 | 200 | G | Sr. | 17.3 | 3.8 | 1.8 |
| Landry Fields | 6-7 | 210 | G/F | Jr. | 11.5 | 6.7 | 1.6 |
| Josh Owens | 6-8 | 215 | F | So. | 10.5 | 5.1 | 1.2 |
| Lawrence Hill | 6-8 | 220 | F | Sr. | 13.8 | 6.2 | 2.7 |
Let's just cut to the chase. The Cougs need this one, bad. Regardless of what appeared to be on Thursday night, I really think this offense is close to at least somewhat putting it together. Now, by "putting it together" I mean "scoring just enough points to eke out a game," but that will have to do for now.
Of course, Stanford was undefeated coming into Pac-10 play, something most people didn't expect, even against their cupcake schedule. They've done it by embracing the Duke system Johnny Dawkins brought from Durham, N.C., hook, line and sinker. They're smally, but they space the floor well and attack the gaps in the defense. In three Pac-10 games, they've posted an average offensive efficiency of 104.6, although the only real legit defense they've faced has been Arizona State. The Sun Devils held the Cardinal to just 90.0, which ought to give us hope of slowing them down tonight.
Defensively, the Cardinal have been up-and-down in conference play. The one thing we know for sure is that they're not nearly as intimidating without the Lopez twins. Last year, they were 6th nationally in 2-point field goal percentage allowed; this year, they're 321st. At the risk of you-know-what, there ought to be a lot of opportunities inside against Stanford's incredibly undersized front line.
And don't underestimate the role emotion could play tonight for the Cougs. Grady said the team showed a bit of desperation for the first time on Thursday, and Taylor Rochestie made it very clear that he hasn't forgotten about last year:
“Stanford beat us three times in a row last year, so, for the guys who are returning, I think that’s enough motivation to come back and play well."
Let's hope so, because I think we've all had enough heartbreak at the hands of Stanford.
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At least its on TV
Now can we look good in the 2nd half for once?
by peaty411s on
Jan 10, 2009 6:54 PM PST
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Wow, did they send the C broadcast team tonight or what?
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:01 PM PST
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Tony said on the pregame show that Casto is nursing a sprained knee, FYI
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:04 PM PST
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That's right -- let an actual PRO do the lineups
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:05 PM PST
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I love the way the wrote "MAYOR OF PULLMAN/PA ANNOUNCER"
How about “Head of the Best Stinking Broadcast Journalism Department West of the Mississippi?”
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:06 PM PST
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Did you see the way the screen said "Johnny Dawkins"
Yet they were showing WSU assistant Ron Sanchez?
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:08 PM PST
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I like how they think that Ron Sanchez is Johnny Dawkins
Helarious!
by Jo-Jo on
Jan 10, 2009 7:07 PM PST
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How about Baynes with the Shaq pass on the double team?
Sweet.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:09 PM PST
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That pisses me off so much
This is not the freaking YMCA. You can’t just stand around with your hands in the air like, “I’M OPEN!”
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:12 PM PST
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Oh, please
That’s just using your basketball brain
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:13 PM PST
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Three times we've dribbled too deep
Amateurish.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:14 PM PST
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Four times too deep
Irritation level rising.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:15 PM PST
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Seriously, is it just me and you in here?
I would think with the game on TV we’d have more of a crowd. But I guess 3/4 of our readers are at the game.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:16 PM PST
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They are just forcing things too much.
I really believe that if he just let them play a bit more, we’d actually see some creativity.
by Jo-Jo on
Jan 10, 2009 7:16 PM PST
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I really like that guys point system
I like the one that compairs points scored vs. opponents points scored. That determines the winner.
by Jo-Jo on
Jan 10, 2009 7:18 PM PST
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Just like Mike Price
“I really think the key to the game is scoring more points than your opponent.”
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:20 PM PST
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Time to Run
Let’s make some shots tonight
by LatonaCoug on
Jan 10, 2009 7:20 PM PST
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Hey, there's another person in here!
Cool!
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:20 PM PST
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Boy, Stanford really collapses on defense
There really should be some open 3s tonight.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:21 PM PST
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Live in the U district can't go to the bars with Huskies
Instead watching the game in basement with cooler of beer
Thank you Klay
by LatonaCoug on
Jan 10, 2009 7:22 PM PST
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I just can't get out of my head
how much of a beast he’s going to be a year from now with 15 pounds of added muscle.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:24 PM PST
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Yeah, but his offense really hurts the team.
(Sarcasm)
by Jo-Jo on
Jan 10, 2009 7:26 PM PST
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Nice recruit
Glad we got Casto Impact player knows how to win
by LatonaCoug on
Jan 10, 2009 7:26 PM PST
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casto=winner
imagine capers in a year with 15lbs…imagine klay with 15lbs. those boys potenial is the only thing keeping me from switching to the hard booze.
by donkeyjon12 on
Jan 10, 2009 7:26 PM PST
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You know, I don't think the offense looks half bad at the moment
We’re getting some looks, now that we’re not turning the ball over and dribbling behind the basket.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:28 PM PST
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CAPERS AND ROCHESTIE!
Jo-Jo just pissed himself.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:28 PM PST
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trying different line ups
Coach is looking for answers
by LatonaCoug on
Jan 10, 2009 7:29 PM PST
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yup, capers and rochestie..boats and ho's
by donkeyjon12 on
Jan 10, 2009 7:29 PM PST
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"That was a nice move by DeAngelo"
It usually is. It usually is.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:32 PM PST
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I love how other teams have players that can score and the Cougs don't
I just don’t get it.
by Jo-Jo on
Jan 10, 2009 7:32 PM PST
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that guy wanted to call that a block
probably the same guy that called the charge on Nik
by Jo-Jo on
Jan 10, 2009 7:33 PM PST
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Grady says ...
“These are the kind of refs that are killing college basketball. Neither of those were charges.”
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:35 PM PST
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How about the Arizona Cardinals?
30-7? Are you kidding me?
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:35 PM PST
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Can you guys believe the Arizona Cardinals right now?
They’re gonna play in the title game.
by Jo-Jo on
Jan 10, 2009 7:35 PM PST
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Now we're a mess offensively
Forget everything I said.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:37 PM PST
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We are definitely looking for shots earlier in the clock
Not sure if I like it or not.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:38 PM PST
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A rebound by Harmeling!
Armageddon shall commence.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:39 PM PST
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Nah
Stanford’s going to start missing some of these.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:41 PM PST
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Are you seeing anything that would lead you to believe these guys are going to accomplishing anything different than what we've seen for 2 months?
by Jo-Jo on
Jan 10, 2009 7:42 PM PST
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Geez ... will Stanford please miss a tough shot?
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:40 PM PST
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damn ppg statistic! Enough of it!
by Dancing Football on
Jan 10, 2009 7:41 PM PST
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Even Grippi's been using it a bunch lately
He’s so much smarter than that.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:42 PM PST
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I've seen him quote pomeroy so that is surprising
by Dancing Football on
Jan 10, 2009 7:43 PM PST
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I saw Luke Winn at SI write an entire piece on Gonzaga's defensive efficiency
That made me smile. Of course, they’ve still got Seth Davis, so they’ll still always be terrible in my book.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:44 PM PST
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do you guys think if we only played O we could tie it by half time with a 35 second shot clock?
by donkeyjon12 on
Jan 10, 2009 7:42 PM PST
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Baynes is not handling Paul's length well
He needs to put that big Aussie butt into him
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:45 PM PST
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Forrest is giving us absolutely nothing
Teams have figured him out. I love his energy, but he really just doesn’t bring a heck of a lot to the table.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:46 PM PST
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He is a reserve specialist, not a starter who should play 30 minutes a game
by Jo-Jo on
Jan 10, 2009 7:46 PM PST
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So we get nothing from Forrest, Harmeling, and Nik
how many mins a game do they each average? ugh
by Dancing Football on
Jan 10, 2009 7:47 PM PST
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That could be about 90 percent of our problem
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:48 PM PST
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Which is why I've started to think we all need to get off Rochestie's back
He just gets no help most of the time.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:48 PM PST
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YES!
We need more arbitrary stat quoting around here
by Dancing Football on
Jan 10, 2009 7:48 PM PST
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I need the Cougs to be good
I have nothing as a Seattle sports fan to cheer for….
by LatonaCoug on
Jan 10, 2009 7:48 PM PST
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because...
have you ever showed up for open gym by yourself, and got stuck on a team with 2 non-english speaking students, a girl and a really tall kid with long hair. pretty soon your down 7-1 and shooting pull up 3’s every poss. in hopes of getting the game over as quickly as possible. i think that is what taylor’s thinking right now.
by donkeyjon12 on
Jan 10, 2009 7:49 PM PST
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Hey I was a tall kid with long hair!
They called me dirk because I love to shoot the three
by Dancing Football on
Jan 10, 2009 7:50 PM PST
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I kinda played like a girl
Does that count?
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:51 PM PST
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Maybe we all just totally overestemated Rochestie's abilities
by Jo-Jo on
Jan 10, 2009 7:51 PM PST
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If we can just get this under 10 at halftime
We might only lose by 16.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:51 PM PST
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So wierd
Let’s get Harthun in there!
by Dancing Football on
Jan 10, 2009 7:51 PM PST
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only down 8!
If I had any faith in our offense to turn it around I might be excited
by Dancing Football on
Jan 10, 2009 7:54 PM PST
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bless your heart taylor....
now just go for 20 in the second half so i can get my hopes up.
by donkeyjon12 on
Jan 10, 2009 7:52 PM PST
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I'm sending my Resume to FSN
I really think I could have a career in broadcasting if I just apply myself
These guys are horrible…….
by LatonaCoug on
Jan 10, 2009 7:53 PM PST
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Todd MacCullough!
I want to hear him say “out” again. Lovely Canadian.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:54 PM PST
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Yeah, that nerd has been on TV since noon
by Jo-Jo on
Jan 10, 2009 7:55 PM PST
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I seriously had no idea it was him
I was like, “who’s the fat guy?”
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:56 PM PST
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I still maintain that Mitch Johnson is the most overrated point guard in the history of college basketball
You know how many assists that guy gets just by giving the ball to talented players and not trhowing it out of bounds?
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:53 PM PST
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13 minutes without a FG?
4 of 20 shooting? 2 assists?
by peaty411s on
Jan 10, 2009 7:54 PM PST
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not the best time for that
how about in the middle of the game to rile up the crowd?
by Dancing Football on
Jan 10, 2009 7:55 PM PST
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At least he's showing some fire
this team is drowning
by Jo-Jo on
Jan 10, 2009 7:56 PM PST
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I'm not sure there's ever a good time for it in the college game
Two shots and possession is a REALLY steep price to pay in a 60-possession game.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:56 PM PST
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Yeah, he really showed them!
Oh, wait … it doesn’t actually hurt the refs.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:58 PM PST
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This coming from the guy who has the most yellow cards in the history of WSU Intramurals
by Jo-Jo on
Jan 10, 2009 7:59 PM PST
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And I was right every time
Do not challenge my authority!
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 8:01 PM PST
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The refs are showing how crappy they are in the Pac-10, we must have theirfinest.
Watching UW/Cal and ther were many badcalls. The O foul calls on Nik wer crap. You don’t call offensive foul when the d fender is under the hoop.
by selahcoug on
Jan 10, 2009 7:59 PM PST
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Having to T-up Bennet because he thinks your calls suck is like
Having Ichiro argue balls and strikes with you. When he does, you know you screwed up.
by peaty411s on
Jan 10, 2009 8:00 PM PST
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Finally
Baynes and Casto at the same time. I like that lineup that was in withabout 2 minutes left: Baynes, Casto, Taylor, Thompson, and Nik. That would be the way I would go for starters. Baynes and Casto get douled and kick to the other side or rebound a miss. Nik can drive leaving shots for Klay or TAylor. Capers wouldbe my first off the bench, though he needs to drive to the hoop and at least be a scoing threat. I like Forrest to give Casto breathers and maybe Enquist for short amounts of time.
by selahcoug on
Jan 10, 2009 7:57 PM PST
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I like Capers instead of Nik in that combo
Although, Nik really should have 4 points. Both of those charges were horrible. If nothing else, though, it put him on the bench and we got to see some different combos.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 7:59 PM PST
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Nik turns the ball over every time he drives
and Enquist would probably get manhandled by Pac 10 forwards
by Dancing Football on
Jan 10, 2009 7:59 PM PST
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I'm with you, with only one variation
Nik doesn’t pass much when he drives. I like Rochestie, Capers, Thompson, Casto, Baynes. Comon thread in that group – Athletes.
by Jo-Jo on
Jan 10, 2009 8:00 PM PST
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one further
just baynes, taylor, klay and casto.
“my team is on the floor.”
by BigWood on
Jan 10, 2009 8:04 PM PST
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four turnovers, four field goals
welcome to thunderdome, bitches….
by BigWood on
Jan 10, 2009 7:57 PM PST
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T.B. will be completely grey haired by the end of this 2 win season
by donkeyjon12 on
Jan 10, 2009 7:59 PM PST
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I thought I was bad during football - now its becoming a real problem
I don’t think my TV will survive this B-Ball season. Its just screaming for a beer bottle to be thrown throught the screen
by LatonaCoug on
Jan 10, 2009 8:04 PM PST
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After listening to Bud Namek my gf thought of a new drinking game
Every time he says “penetration” She rocks
by Dancing Football on
Jan 10, 2009 8:04 PM PST
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Does anyone else wanna throw up when they see that FSN basketball commerical?
the one when brockman is acting like a douche at the end after blocking a shot
by Dancing Football on
Jan 10, 2009 8:03 PM PST
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I want to throw up most of the time when I'm watching FSN
But that’s because most of the time I’m watching FSN, I’m watching the Cougs.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 8:07 PM PST
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in case you missed it
todd maccullough can do it al night long…
and by “it”, he means pinball.
by BigWood on
Jan 10, 2009 8:05 PM PST
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Maccullough is level with the short guy who does the M's pregame
Maccullough must be sitting on the ground while the other guy is sitting on 7 pillows
by peaty411s on
Jan 10, 2009 8:07 PM PST
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Todd's key to the game: Improve shooting percentage
Thanks, Ron Fairly.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 8:06 PM PST
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YES!
At a game in Oakland after a foul pop up is caught:
Fairly: “In any other ball park that would have been a foul ball.”
Niehaus: “Well Ron I think it is a foul ball in this ball park too.”
Fairly: stutters…then silence for the only time in his career
by Dancing Football on
Jan 10, 2009 8:08 PM PST
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Hey Nuss, should I write a fan post about the Cougs lack of offense this week?
by Jo-Jo on
Jan 10, 2009 8:07 PM PST
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You know what suck?
I’m not even really paying much attention to this game anymore
by Jo-Jo on
Jan 10, 2009 8:10 PM PST
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show down
i’d like to see a Maccullough vs. J Gess half time announcer show down in the 5-6 slot sundays on fsn. all the trials and tribulations of the job…winner gets to do the apple cup live in the booth for the reply the next day
by donkeyjon12 on
Jan 10, 2009 8:10 PM PST
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CASTO STARTS THE SECOND HALF!!!!!!!
And scores!
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 8:10 PM PST
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Costo
Breaking the backboard! Technically
by peaty411s on
Jan 10, 2009 8:11 PM PST
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weird run taylor as the 2 guard and let him score?
by donkeyjon12 on
Jan 10, 2009 8:13 PM PST
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Great
He thought he heard the horn, so now we have 1 second to shoot. Idiots.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 8:15 PM PST
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Their heart is still beating
usually by this time it is flatlined
by peaty411s on
Jan 10, 2009 8:16 PM PST
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color guy:
casto isn’t the guy you want taking that shot…
i guess he should’ve set up a play with less than a second…
by BigWood on
Jan 10, 2009 8:16 PM PST
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don't tease me
i feel like the cougs are texting me to come over at mid night after hooking up with my best frend
by donkeyjon12 on
Jan 10, 2009 8:16 PM PST
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thats what i'm fucking talking about
guard dunking……wow…i think the guy living abouve me just called the police
by donkeyjon12 on
Jan 10, 2009 8:18 PM PST
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Tony must have chewed some ball sack in the locker room.
Let the freshman play all night
by Jo-Jo on
Jan 10, 2009 8:19 PM PST
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Tony listened to me
This line up rocks
by selahcoug on
Jan 10, 2009 8:19 PM PST
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I got so excited
I made my kid cry. I’m not kidding.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 8:20 PM PST
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I didn't know Klay could jump that high
wow
by Dancing Football on
Jan 10, 2009 8:20 PM PST
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I'd love to see him attack like that more
If he can jump like that, he ought to be able to get to the rim and hang for contact.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 8:21 PM PST
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Klay was elbow high on the rim on that dunk. Geez
by Jo-Jo on
Jan 10, 2009 8:20 PM PST
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But like the guy said, he did his job
He gave us the energy we needed.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 8:21 PM PST
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Hey, you can have the world. But you can't have it on a plate.
by Jo-Jo on
Jan 10, 2009 8:21 PM PST
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True
I was lamenting more than anything
by Dancing Football on
Jan 10, 2009 8:22 PM PST
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That move is awesome
He now can catch the ball 8 feet from the basket and score. That is so valuable.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 8:23 PM PST
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Gotta be careful
Don’t want to run too much.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 8:24 PM PST
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um, the guy guarding baynes is 6,7 205
by donkeyjon12 on
Jan 10, 2009 8:25 PM PST
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Did that guy just say that Nik reminds him of Brent Barry?
by Jo-Jo on
Jan 10, 2009 8:25 PM PST
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I didn't hear that
If I had, I’d be on the floor, rolling, laughing.
by Nuss on
Jan 10, 2009 8:25 PM PST
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brent barry puts his head down and dribbles off his foot all the time
duh…
by BigWood on
Jan 10, 2009 8:26 PM PST
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Plus Nik can dunk from the free throw line
and shoot 50% from three
by Dancing Football on
Jan 10, 2009 8:26 PM PST
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Nik is terrible
He is more like a battery operated dancing santa than brent barry
by peaty411s on
Jan 10, 2009 8:25 PM PST
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My buddy and I were watching that game in the Tournament against Marquette when Johnson had 15 assists and like 13 of them were just dump-ins to Brook Lopez
We passed a man law that any assist you totally don’t deserve should forever be called a Mitch Johnson.
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Jan 10, 2009 8:27 PM PST
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