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Sunday Morning PG: Post-apocalypse edition

Yesterday hurt.

There's really no other way to put it. There are different ways to look at the loss, though. From one side, we gave that thing away. USC came back over a span of seven minutes and barely had to make a field goal to do it. The Trojans wasted us at the line, with 31 total attempts to 10 attempts for WSU. Of course, this game highlights the importance of making free throws. The Cougars made all 10, while USC made only 19 of their attempts, good for a rather pathetic 61.3%.

Of course, this just emphasizes the fact that we HAVE TO start getting to the line in crunch time. That means - and I'm looking your way, Mr. Rochestie - that when you drive the lane you should be looking to initiate contact without getting snuffed out or committing an offensive foul. This is much easier said than done, obviously, but that's why Taylor Rochestie is out there and not me. Meanwhile, as much as I love Klay Thompson's game, the one thing he hasn't done well is put himself on the foul line. For a 100% career free throw shooter (18 for 18), Klay has a free throw rate of 10.1. For comparison's sake, DeAngelo Casto's free throw rate is 72.0. Baynes checks in at 53.7.

Ok, enough of that tanget. The other way to look at the loss is that USC should have blown us out of the water. After all, how many games do you win when you shoot 27.5% from the field? The saving grace for the Cougs was, believe it or not, three-point shooting, where we made a respectable 35.3%. But look at 2-point shooting percentage to see why we really lost this game: The Cougars were 8 of 34. USC was 12 of 33. Not great, but the Trojans only attempted 4 threes, making one. USC got the job done inside the arc, with four more makes and a 21 more free throw attempts.

What we saw yesterday were two teams attempting to deny everything inside and force the other to beat them from the perimeter. The problem is the Cougars gave up nearly everything inside in the final five minutes. Not buckets, mind you, but trips to the foul line, which are in many ways just as damaging.

The lineup I want to see

Tony finished this game the same way he did the Oregon State game - with what I call the "senior" lineup. Rochestie, Harmeling, Baynes, Forrest and Thompson. Thompson isn't a senior, but he sure as heck plays like one.

The problem with this lineup is that it's not a good lineup when it comes to getting to the foul line. Rochestie and Baynes are the only ones really capable of making it there consistently. Another issue is that if this lineup isn't making jump shots - which are the only source of Harmeling, Thompson and Forrest's offense - they aren't doing anything offensively. All you have to do is take Baynes out of the equation and hope Rochestie beats himself. Which is exactly what Tim Floyd did yesterday.

Rochestie has proven he can make plays down the stretch. There's no denying that, especially after the Oregon trip and the Stanford game. But he beat himself yesterday with turnovers and poor shot selection. It's just too bad USC actually made their free throws in crunch time. Because, if they had missed just two more of those shots from the charity stripe, then Taylor's three at the buzzer would've been for the win. Instead, we ended up with a close final score, 46-44. But close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

So who do I want to see starting at Arizona State on Thursday? Here you go:

Rochestie
Capers
Thompson
Casto
Baynes

This is a lineup capable of doing everything we need to do on offense. Sure, the burden of three-point shooting falls on Rochestie and Thompson, but with Capers in the lineup you can afford to move Taylor to the 2 on some possessions. Want the inside game? You have it with Casto and Baynes. Need to get to the line? Four of our five best players in terms of free throw rate are in that lineup. Rebounding? Casto and Baynes have you covered.

Defensively, it goes without saying what the advantage of this lineup is. You have Casto and Baynes underneath to swat things away. You have Capers, who as Jo-Jo pointed out in a wonderfully written fanpost, surrendered only 1 bucket in his time against UCLA. Rochestie has proven to be a very serviceable defender, only struggling off ball screens against Darren freaking Collison. Klay has been solid all season.

I think the problems Tony has with this lineup have to do with the fact that you only have two jump shooters (Rochestie, Thompson), and that it's a lineup at greater risk for turnovers. Right now, Caleb Forrest and Daven Harmeling lead this team in turnover rate (lack of turnovers, that is). In fact, through 1/18, Harmeling ranks 25th and Forrest ranks 28th nationally in turnover rate. That's really good - but as we saw last night, if the point guard turns it over it doesn't matter who else is on the floor.

And it's not like you have to play that lineup for 30 minutes. Just mix in healthy doses of Harmeling and Forrest. For reserves, you have Koprivica, Lodwick and Harthun. [Side note: please play Harthun, or invent a time machine to go back and not burn his redshirt. And while you're back in time, get Witherill his redshirt back, because that decision still makes zero sense] I would expect to see minute distribution like this:

Rochestie/Thompson - 35 minutes
Baynes - 30 minutes
Casto/Capers/Harmeling/Forrest - 20 minutes
Reserves - 5 minutes or less

The most variability would happen with those middle four, where Tony can go with the hot hand. Which in a lot of ways is what he's doing. Except, of course, for last night, when Harmeling and Forrest were definitely not hot shooting the ball.Of course hindsight is 20/20, and it's what we like to do here in the blogosphere.

The other thing that bothers me is that at the five minute mark of the second half, Tony stops rotating men and plays the same five guys until the buzzer. It's how we ended up playing the final minutes of the Stanford game with Rochestie/Thompson/Lodwick/Casto/Baynes. Actually I kinda like that lineup, save Lodwick, whose turnover rate makes him tough to play if he can't make a three or two.

Hope for the road trip

Looking ahead, we start out Thursday at Arizona State. Realistically we aren't winning that one. However, we've won the last two games in Tempe and seem to have ASU's number. So there's a possibility. There's also a good chance of knocking off Arizona on the road - they needed a miraculous comeback just to beat Houston at home yesterday.

Then there's the Bay Area the week after. Oregon State, in case you hadn't heard, swept there this weekend. That's not a typo. The Beavers beat Stanford by fifteen yesterday. I feel like I'm writing this in an alternate universe where Oregon State actually wins games and space and time don't exist.

Anyway, if Oregon State can sweep the Bay, so can we. Hey, we beat Cal on the road last year. And Stanford doesn't have the Lopez twins anymore, which makes me happy.

Cause for concern? Because Stanford lost to OSU, our three conference wins have come against teams with losing records in conference. Stanford (3-4), Oregon State (3-5) and Oregon (0-8). Speaking of Oregon, we are now accepting non-monetary bets on when Ernie Kent gets fired. My guess is right after the Ducks lose in the Pac-10 tournament  At which point we will immediately hear Tony's name tossed out there as a possible replacement by Andy Katz, even though it makes absolutely no sense.

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Thanks Grady

I’m up for thursday. And I’m really starting to get tired of hearing that Tony may bail for one reason or another. From my very short and limited exposure to the man, I’d say no, he started this and he’ll finish it. He’s always looked at players to stick through the tough times, build character and come back with serious committment and play hard. Say what you do and do what you say. Maybe not, maybe he is someone that could dress up like daffy in yellow and green and stand around in the rain all year?

by oldmancoug on Jan 25, 2009 11:34 AM PST reply actions  

Nice write up Grady. I have two comments.
It’s just too bad USC actually made their free throws in crunch time. Because, if they had missed just two more of those shots from the charity stripe, then Taylor’s three at the buzzer would’ve been for the win

It’s not quite fair to take anything out of that last second 3-pointer. Taylor never would have had an open look like that if the game had been within reach.

…..Except, of course, for last night, when Harmeling and Forrest were definitely not hot shooting the ball.Of course hindsight is 20/20, and it’s what we like to do here in the blogosphere.

Why did Tony allow Forrest to take eleven shots? Has Forrest ever taken that many shots in a game? I seriously doubt it. The only explanation I can offer up is that his eyes were big after that UCLA game. Hindsight might be 20/20, but half of hindsight has got to be atleast 30/20, and anybody except for a blind person could tell midway through the game that Forrest’s shots just were not falling and he should have been cutting back on the number of outside jump-shots he was taking.

by cfred on Jan 25, 2009 11:53 AM PST reply actions  

Forrest took that many shots because he had that many good looks

I was not unhappy with most of them, they were those 17 footers he buries with regularity. USC just gambled that he wouldn’t make enough to beat them, and they were just barely right.

by Craig Powers on Jan 25, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I felt Forrest forced a few shots as well

In analyzing this team, you can’t just look at who had a great game the other day and expect to get them from here on.

Rochestie came back to earth yesterday. When have we ever seen Forrest play like he did against UCLA? Lodwick hits one three and all of a sudden he’s the answer. After six weeks without production Harmeling gets big minutes without evidence to support them … I just don’t get some of this.

by Jo-Jo on Jan 25, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

To restate my point from last night

Defenses prioritize. That’s how every defense works — you decide what you’re just not willing to give up and do your best with the rest, knowing you can’t stop everything.

Forrest had that many open looks because USC prioritized its defense this way: Take away Rochestie’s penetration, take away entry passes to Baynes, take away perimeter shots from Thompson. Yesterday, virtually everything else was open, but no one else was making them pay. And Floyd looked pretty smart because of it.

by Jeff Nusser on Jan 25, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm all about your line-up analysis

In the post you’ve got three guys:
Baynes
Forrest
Casto

There’s 80 minutes to share there based on foul trouble and effectiveness. I would prefer Casto over Forrest, but Harmeling should never see the floor at the 4 again after what those three have proven.

Rochestie and Thompson should play 30-35 and Capers should get around 25. Fill in the rest with the reserves and that really does give this team the best chance.

by Jo-Jo on Jan 25, 2009 2:06 PM PST reply actions  

I think the same thing about Harthun every time I see him on the bench

If Tony had no plans of using him for the whole season, why did he put him for some meaningless minutes in previous games? If he redshirts him, not only does he get an extra, it also might help avoid having 9 freshman on the same team again.

by Craig Powers on Jan 25, 2009 3:23 PM PST reply actions  

Did anyone even dream

that Kopravica and Harmeling would be such non-factors this season? I didn’t think it was possible.

by SW WA Coug on Jan 25, 2009 3:52 PM PST reply actions  

I've never really been in love with either guy as a player

But I certainly didn’t expect this. Harm’s problems are just due to a lack of confidence in his shot, which can happen. But Nik has regressed.

by Jeff Nusser on Jan 25, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

It's pretty much been a total lack of production

At least on the offensive end for both. Kop has been just plain offensive. I feel bad for the kid but even worse for the team and fans. Hard to figure this stuff out.

by SW WA Coug on Jan 25, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

On Koprivica and Harmeling

I was thinking the opposite and said it here. I had heard his weight was down and his quickness back. I thought we were going to see him return to the kind of player he was as a freshman with more experience. He has zero confidence and looks pretty beaten on the bench right now.

Harmeling is either hurt, bulked up too much, or maybe a combination. His shot isn’t the same.

by BornCoug on Jan 25, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I've always liked Davin

He’s had some good shots in the past, but he’s difinitely not the same now, I never thought about him bulking up too much though, makes sense, they started that at the end of last season.

by oldmancoug on Jan 25, 2009 7:41 PM PST reply actions  

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