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OPEN HOOPS GAME THREAD: UW at WSU

Washington Huskies @ Washington St. Cougars


3 PM PST -- Friel Court at Beasley Coliseum

Kenpom.com prediction: Cougs win 59-57 (66 possesions, 56 percent confidence)

PROBABLE STARTERS 

WSU Cougars Ht. Wt. Pos. Yr. PPG RPG APG
Taylor Rochestie 6-1 193 G Sr. 10.2 3.7 4.8
Klay Thompson 6-6 187 G Fr. 11.0 5.1 1.7
Daven Harmeling 6-7 227 F Sr. 7.3 1.8 0.8
Caleb Forrest 6-8 223 F Sr. 6.2 3.3 0.3
Aron Baynes 6-10 250 C Sr. 11.4 6.0 0.6
UW Huskies Ht. Wt. Pos. Yr. PPG RPG APG
Isaiah Thomas 5-8 170 G Fr. 14.8 2.8 3.1
Justin Dentmon 5-11 185 G Sr. 12.4 2.7 2.6
Quincy Pondexter 6-6 190 G/F Jr. 8.8 5.7 2.2
Darnell Gant 6-8 210 F Fr. 3.8 4.2 0.4
Jon Brockman 6-7 255 F Sr. 16.5 10.2 1.0

Here we are - the start of the Pac-10 season and the first leg of the two-part rivalry series between Washington and Washington State. This should be exciting. There should be a huge line of students, and people trying to camp out the night before the game. It should be one of the bigger days on the Cougar basketball calendar.

And yet it doesn't feel like it. Why? Because this game should never, ever, be played on January 3rd in Pullman.

The Pac-10 scheduling wizards, in their infinite wisdom, climbed Mount Vesuvius to speak with an oracle, who then instructed them to schedule this game on this day. if we lose, I will obviously be blaming the conference, rather than giving the Purple-clad Huskies the respect they deserve. I think that's the best way to go about it.

First, you have the weather. As I type this it's sunny and a whole degree above zero here in town. Still, that's a welcome change from the 327 feet of snow (exaggeration) that have made piles of snow on Spokane sidewalks that are just above my height at about six feet tall (not an exaggeration).The two biggest sources of Cougar fans are on the west side, which requires crossing Snoqualmie pass, and from Spokane, which requires driving down snowdrift prone Highway 195. What should have been a sold-out game will now be cut down considerably, with plenty of no shows in the season ticket section.

Then, you have a campus on break. That would be fine if the pass was clear, but as it is traction tires are required. Meaning that you're probably driving on packed snow, instead of bare road, if you take that route. So very few students will make it back today. Add that to WSU's ridiculous close-down-the-dorms-every-chance-we-get policy, and you have very few students on campus. Basically me, and the few people who stayed behind for the break out in apartmentville, are the two sources of students in town today.

But never fear! For only $25 you can buy a seat in the student section, meaning that instead of a raucous student section you will have an awkward mishmash of students that still showed up early and older fans who want the former to sit down. I've attended games over break when they've done this 'general admission' policy. Simply put, it's a mix of students who care, families who want to attend a Cougar game without having to hear swearing coming out of the ZZU CRU, and locals who think they know soooo much about Cougar basketball even though they obviously couldn't shell out the cash for season tickets ("Get Harmeling out of there! He's terrible! Boy that Thompson kid looks great! Why didn't anyone see that coming?").

Finally, you have the game. This is a somewhat worse Cougar squad going against a somewhat better Husky team, as compared to last year. This wouldn't be a problem, except that the Huskies have been so close to us the last several times, and haven't yet pulled it off. Could today be the day they finally break through? The Dawgs are a terrible team on the road (see: game, Portland) and yet somehow have been able to put together spirited efforts at Friel Court since the awesome 75-47 thrashing of Spencer Hawes. Maybe having less of a student presence could actually help, by not firing them up as much for the game.

The Cougs can win this game. We're two point favorites, which only really accounts for home court advantage, with all other things being equal. We have the talent, though, and we just need to execute. I want the eight-peat. I want to know that Brockman has never won here. Please make it happen.

Key player for the Huskies: Isiah Thomas. I know, Jon Brockman is a great player, but he's very predictable. All he has to do is step on the court and he'll get his 15 and 10. Thomas, on the other hand, is the Huskies' new big scorer and could be the difference if he's not kept in check. He's coming off a career-high 27 against Morgan State.

Key player for the Cougars: Taylor Rochestie. Baynes and Brockman cancel each other out for the most part, and Thompson should get 12 points, a couple of assists and some boards. Rochestie is the key and needs to be the "third scorer" tonight, or defer to someone who will be. As Taylor goes, so do the Cougs, and if he protects the ball and gets Baynes more touches, we could be in for a good afternoon.

Go Cougs. Please win.

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Go Cougs. Please win.

Couldn’t have said it better.

by GoCougs on Jan 3, 2009 3:05 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kevin Calabro on the call

Dang, why can’t we have Brian Davis back?

by Nuss on Jan 3, 2009 3:06 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Davis

The Blunder, ahem, I mean thunder can have that idiot

by GoCougs on Jan 3, 2009 3:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn Rochestie

That was a horrible shot.

by Nuss on Jan 3, 2009 3:11 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"They're going to execute you..."

Damn Lenny we don’t hate UW THAT much…

by GoCougs on Jan 3, 2009 3:13 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously, who do they think is watching this game?

It’s not a national TV audience. Anyone watching this knows exactly what these two teams bring to the table. I hate it when they assume fans are stupid.

by Nuss on Jan 3, 2009 3:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Baynes cleaned up his "look" for Pac 10?

Nice little hook there. Need to find a way to get him the ball in good position. duh, but true.

by BornCoug on Jan 3, 2009 3:14 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two fouls on Thompson

Ugh. I don’t like that last call — Overton was leading with his forearm.

by Nuss on Jan 3, 2009 3:19 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where's our offense going to come from????

I don’t like this line up for the offensive production

by LatonaCoug on Jan 3, 2009 3:20 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No question

I don’t like when Thompson goes out early. Harmeling is just sitting in the corners waiting for the ball. not much motion.

by BornCoug on Jan 3, 2009 3:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Typical Pac-10 officiating

Totally inconsistent while trying to exert their will on the game. Idiots.

by Nuss on Jan 3, 2009 3:21 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

UW

I don’t know if it’s the D or not, but the Huskies are taking some ugly shots

by GoCougs on Jan 3, 2009 3:25 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's the Dawgs

We just need to make shots. I wonder why Brockman is out so long?

by BornCoug on Jan 3, 2009 3:27 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's the D

They want to run. And they can’t against us. At least not yet. Also, they haven’t gotten Dentmon any shots — he’s been a vastly underrated weapon for them this year.

by Nuss on Jan 3, 2009 3:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Turnovers

enough with stepping on the baseline and throwing cross court passes! Aarghhh

by Dancing Football on Jan 3, 2009 3:27 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Big block by Casto

Images of Clark! He got up on that one.

by BornCoug on Jan 3, 2009 3:28 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Weird game so far

Neither team seems to be settling into any kind of rhythm.

by Nuss on Jan 3, 2009 3:32 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's going at WSU's pace right now.

But the Huskies are sticking with them.

"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul. I plan to face him with the zeal of a challenger."
-Ichiro on Dice-K

by seatownsports on Jan 3, 2009 3:34 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's an Isaiah Thomas love fest

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

by Nuss on Jan 3, 2009 3:33 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Baynes

Last year, when he was doubled, he shut down, he’s made some excelent improvements

by GoCougs on Jan 3, 2009 3:34 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For sure

he’’s making great kickouts, and sometimes just scoring over it

by Dancing Football on Jan 3, 2009 3:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Baynes

He’s playing with a lot more patience and control.

by BornCoug on Jan 3, 2009 3:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GREAT BALL MOVEMENT!

If they keep doing that, there WILL eventually be a breakdown in the UW defense.

by Nuss on Jan 3, 2009 3:35 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's shooting much better this year

He doesn’t have a the point guard duties any longer with Thomas and Overton.

by BornCoug on Jan 3, 2009 3:40 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As much as TR frustrates me right now

the pace clearly gets all out of whack when he’s not on the floor. Can’t win with him, can’t win without him right now.

by Nuss on Jan 3, 2009 3:40 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm a Husky fan.

And i’ve noticed that Dentmon is as good with Appleby with his feet set.

"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul. I plan to face him with the zeal of a challenger."
-Ichiro on Dice-K

by seatownsports on Jan 3, 2009 3:40 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's a pretty bold statement, my friend

Take your pick about which one I’m referring to … ;-)

by Nuss on Jan 3, 2009 3:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fouls on Baynes - None or 1?

ESPN has him with 0. Yahoo has him with 1. I don’t remember him picking up a foul yet.

by BornCoug on Jan 3, 2009 3:41 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wilkins

Lenny Wilkins is talking way too much and is starting to really annoy me.

by GoCougs on Jan 3, 2009 3:42 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Cougs will have to start being able to fire from 3 if Baynes is getting double teamed

"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul. I plan to face him with the zeal of a challenger."
-Ichiro on Dice-K

by seatownsports on Jan 3, 2009 3:45 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't necessarily agree

You do have to rotate it around the perimeter, but it can open up cutting lanes and driving lanes. They just need to be more decisive.

by Nuss on Jan 3, 2009 3:46 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now that was a bad foul.

"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul. I plan to face him with the zeal of a challenger."
-Ichiro on Dice-K

by seatownsports on Jan 3, 2009 3:50 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting 1st half. This one will go down to the wire.

"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul. I plan to face him with the zeal of a challenger."
-Ichiro on Dice-K

by seatownsports on Jan 3, 2009 3:50 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's what we always think

then we let the other team go on a 20-2 run

by Dancing Football on Jan 3, 2009 3:51 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HA HA!

Oh, wait … that’s not supposed to be funny, is it?

by Nuss on Jan 3, 2009 3:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We finished a half better than we have at times

It would be nice to get Harmeling going. He’s barely shot the last couple games.

by BornCoug on Jan 3, 2009 3:52 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Remember that post Grady wrote about free throw rate?

Yeah, that’s the reason we’re actually still in this game.

by Nuss on Jan 3, 2009 3:57 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mentink

Yeah she is horrible

But she can cannonball the whiskey!!!!

by LatonaCoug on Jan 3, 2009 3:57 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

27 straight

UW ladies have beaten the WSU ladies 27 straight times…. That’s sad…

by GoCougs on Jan 3, 2009 3:59 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The gap is closing

They need a couple more years and recruits

by BornCoug on Jan 3, 2009 4:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Geez

Another 3? Will these guys please miss?

by Nuss on Jan 3, 2009 4:07 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Danger time

Need a bucket very bad. Any bucket will do

by BornCoug on Jan 3, 2009 4:08 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here it comes ...

We’re getting outworked and outplayed right out of the gate. This pisses me off more than you can possibly know.

by Nuss on Jan 3, 2009 4:08 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Flashbacks

I’m having Vietnam style flashbacks from the Gonzaga game… I’m going to start convulsing… Please! Make it stop!!!

by GoCougs on Jan 3, 2009 4:09 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thompson has a mismatch

but they need to get the ball into Baynes.

by BornCoug on Jan 3, 2009 4:09 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OH F*%k Here we go again

Nobody acts like they have any confidence in their shot

SO FRUSTRATED RIGHT NOW

by LatonaCoug on Jan 3, 2009 4:09 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Baynes hasn't got a touch

I think he has confidence. Can’t lose compusure over the next 5 minutes.

by BornCoug on Jan 3, 2009 4:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not sure why...

the pass went to Baynes there. Unlucky?

by BornCoug on Jan 3, 2009 4:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stupid

What’s Baynes going to do with the ball catching it at the free throw line? Just another stupid play by TR when the heat is on.

by Nuss on Jan 3, 2009 4:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Flop.

Brockman is starting to catch fire.

"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul. I plan to face him with the zeal of a challenger."
-Ichiro on Dice-K

by seatownsports on Jan 3, 2009 4:14 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

glass is now empty

i’ve been trying to be a glass half full guy all season…but we are terrible. we don’t have one player who can change the game, our O is SOOOO bad. 4 pac 10 wins. i miss kyle.

by donkeyjon12 on Jan 3, 2009 4:14 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Klay Thompson isn't an adequete 1st option?

"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul. I plan to face him with the zeal of a challenger."
-Ichiro on Dice-K

by seatownsports on Jan 3, 2009 4:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No question on Weaver

I wish he had got that redshirt his first year.

by BornCoug on Jan 3, 2009 4:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What the F&%k Rochestie

Do our guys have any confidence in themselves????

Taylor just looks ridiculous

by LatonaCoug on Jan 3, 2009 4:15 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Believe it or not, that's been a weakness of ours the whole season.

"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul. I plan to face him with the zeal of a challenger."
-Ichiro on Dice-K

by seatownsports on Jan 3, 2009 4:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Um, I believe it

And I know it. That’s why this is so damn frustrating.

by Nuss on Jan 3, 2009 4:19 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Get Cocky Huskies

We’ll come back if we can stop their three’s

by LatonaCoug on Jan 3, 2009 4:19 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was a nice behind the back.

"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul. I plan to face him with the zeal of a challenger."
-Ichiro on Dice-K

by seatownsports on Jan 3, 2009 4:22 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WSU in the bonus!

That was the 6th foul on UW

by BornCoug on Jan 3, 2009 4:23 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bryan-Ammaning with 4, Brockman with 3 fouls

Their guards are doing the most damage though.

by BornCoug on Jan 3, 2009 4:24 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Washington is really pressuring the ball and denying passes

Where’s the backdoor cut we saw on the very first play? Where are the hard cuts to the basket? We’re letting Washington do this to us, and I am absolutely losing my mind about it.

by Nuss on Jan 3, 2009 4:27 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can someone tell me the value of Nik

I want to believe in him but seems we just stall offensively with him in game

by LatonaCoug on Jan 3, 2009 4:27 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The offense just seems to stop when Nik is on the floor

Which is funny, because that’s pretty much 180 degrees opposite of what we thought of him as a freshman. Well, it’s not really funny, but you know what I mean.

by Nuss on Jan 3, 2009 4:28 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cougs need to get to the line

In the bonus with 10 min left, their Free throws can keep them in it.

by GoCougs on Jan 3, 2009 4:28 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Free throws may be the difference

We all know how good the huskies are from the line

by LatonaCoug on Jan 3, 2009 4:29 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn't put the dagger in yet..

But it’s close… One more UW run, it’s over.

by GoCougs on Jan 3, 2009 4:32 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The offense has no life

I don’t see any way we come back in this one, especially with the minutes Nik is getting.

by Nuss on Jan 3, 2009 4:33 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

5 possessions and only 3 points

They don’t seem to have someone to go through to make shots. They can’t get it to Baynes and Thompson and Rotchestie are mostly going 1-on-1.

by BornCoug on Jan 3, 2009 4:32 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is a horrible call

Dentmon tripped. I’m telling you, there just aren’t enough possessions left with the state of our offense to win this game.

by Nuss on Jan 3, 2009 4:34 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep, letting it get too far away

I would think about getting Harthun some time. He hasn’t looked good shooting but maybe he gives you a chance. They need some 3’s. A lot of 3’s.

by BornCoug on Jan 3, 2009 4:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we don't like winning

down 10 6 minutes left…………if we only played O we couldn’t win this game. oh and by the way, we start 4 seniors.

by donkeyjon12 on Jan 3, 2009 4:35 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm so very depressed right now

Seriously, can’t anything go right for me as a fan this year? The one thing in my life I thought I had to look forward to isn’t nearly as good as I thought it would be. They haven’t gotten any better, which leads me to believe this is what we’re getting for the rest of the year. It’s going to be very, very, VERY frustrating.

by Nuss on Jan 3, 2009 4:35 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm still puking

There needs to be something positive for a Coug to look forward to

by LatonaCoug on Jan 3, 2009 4:42 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So...

So… Hey! The NFL playoffs are on… I think I’ll watch the Cardinals/Falcons for a bit and get my mind off this rubbish for a bit.(The Cards are going to win.)

by GoCougs on Jan 3, 2009 4:36 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A one-on-one 3 with 20 left on the clock?

Yeah, way to ruin every good thing you’ve done this game, Taylor. Thanks.

by Nuss on Jan 3, 2009 4:37 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We're just not a good offensive team

We need some shooting threats

This needs to be fixed ASAP or else we are in for a very long season.

At what point do you bench Nik and start giving the freshman playing time?

by LatonaCoug on Jan 3, 2009 4:44 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think you bail on the season yet

The offensive is definitely the problem though. Casto will get more time as the season goes on but he is still so raw. He doesn’t help you on offensive. Thompson needs to grow up fast and someone else has to step up. Maybe the Aussie Motum next year?

Harthun looks like the only possibility of helping out on the offensive side but how much can you expect from him?

by BornCoug on Jan 3, 2009 4:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

20 point loss anyone?

At home to the Dawgs? Horrilbe!

by BornCoug on Jan 3, 2009 4:53 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can't rebound

How about maybe putting Casto in a little more to rebound? Tony hasn’t figured this team out yet I don’t think. Maybe they do stuff different in practice.

by selahcoug on Jan 3, 2009 4:59 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I posted this on the wrong thread, sorry.

Nuss or Jo-jo
I have stated my dislike for Nik in the game. Please explain to me why he played so much today. I would like to know what he has shown us that should give me confidence in him the rest of the season. I realize the same could be said for many players out there, but he stands out…as usual…

by MLips on Jan 3, 2009 5:41 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry I missed the thread guys

That game went exactly the way I expected it to. I didn’t say anything prior to the game because people on this site have been way too optimistic about this team’s chances heading into the conference schedule.

I said it after the LSU game, this team will not make the tourney unless something changes. And nothing – NOTHING – has changed over the past 6 weeks.

This game was a bit frustrating to watch, but since I kinda expected it, I’m not as pissed as I was last week. Time to get the youngun some run.

by Jo-Jo on Jan 3, 2009 6:14 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

suprised

Surprised and frusted as well. Harmeling is no longer getting any touches when we need offense. Niko should not be playing Pac 10 basketball and for me his play is extremely tough to watch but there is plenty of blame to go around. I figured this season was going to have its ups and downs but right now I am seeing a very tough year. They seem to be regressing as the season continues. I did not think our freshman talent was this raw. Just another dissapointment in this horrendous sports year. I am still optimistic for the future but its gonna take some patience. Did any of you catch the post game with Tony. Just curious to know what he said. Go Cougs.

by koolbreeze on Jan 3, 2009 10:27 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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