OPEN HOOPS GAME THREAD: UW at WSU
Washington Huskies @ Washington St. Cougars
3 PM PST -- Friel Court at Beasley Coliseum
Kenpom.com prediction: Cougs win 59-57 (66 possesions, 56 percent confidence)
PROBABLE STARTERS
| WSU Cougars | Ht. | Wt. | Pos. | Yr. | PPG | RPG | APG |
| Taylor Rochestie | 6-1 | 193 | G | Sr. | 10.2 | 3.7 | 4.8 |
| Klay Thompson | 6-6 | 187 | G | Fr. | 11.0 | 5.1 | 1.7 |
| Daven Harmeling | 6-7 | 227 | F | Sr. | 7.3 | 1.8 | 0.8 |
| Caleb Forrest | 6-8 | 223 | F | Sr. | 6.2 | 3.3 | 0.3 |
| Aron Baynes | 6-10 | 250 | C | Sr. | 11.4 | 6.0 | 0.6 |
| UW Huskies | Ht. | Wt. | Pos. | Yr. | PPG | RPG | APG |
| Isaiah Thomas | 5-8 | 170 | G | Fr. | 14.8 | 2.8 | 3.1 |
| Justin Dentmon | 5-11 | 185 | G | Sr. | 12.4 | 2.7 | 2.6 |
| Quincy Pondexter | 6-6 | 190 | G/F | Jr. | 8.8 | 5.7 | 2.2 |
| Darnell Gant | 6-8 | 210 | F | Fr. | 3.8 | 4.2 | 0.4 |
| Jon Brockman | 6-7 | 255 | F | Sr. | 16.5 | 10.2 | 1.0 |
Here we are - the start of the Pac-10 season and the first leg of the two-part rivalry series between Washington and Washington State. This should be exciting. There should be a huge line of students, and people trying to camp out the night before the game. It should be one of the bigger days on the Cougar basketball calendar.
And yet it doesn't feel like it. Why? Because this game should never, ever, be played on January 3rd in Pullman.
The Pac-10 scheduling wizards, in their infinite wisdom, climbed Mount Vesuvius to speak with an oracle, who then instructed them to schedule this game on this day. if we lose, I will obviously be blaming the conference, rather than giving the Purple-clad Huskies the respect they deserve. I think that's the best way to go about it.
First, you have the weather. As I type this it's sunny and a whole degree above zero here in town. Still, that's a welcome change from the 327 feet of snow (exaggeration) that have made piles of snow on Spokane sidewalks that are just above my height at about six feet tall (not an exaggeration).The two biggest sources of Cougar fans are on the west side, which requires crossing Snoqualmie pass, and from Spokane, which requires driving down snowdrift prone Highway 195. What should have been a sold-out game will now be cut down considerably, with plenty of no shows in the season ticket section.
Then, you have a campus on break. That would be fine if the pass was clear, but as it is traction tires are required. Meaning that you're probably driving on packed snow, instead of bare road, if you take that route. So very few students will make it back today. Add that to WSU's ridiculous close-down-the-dorms-every-chance-we-get policy, and you have very few students on campus. Basically me, and the few people who stayed behind for the break out in apartmentville, are the two sources of students in town today.
But never fear! For only $25 you can buy a seat in the student section, meaning that instead of a raucous student section you will have an awkward mishmash of students that still showed up early and older fans who want the former to sit down. I've attended games over break when they've done this 'general admission' policy. Simply put, it's a mix of students who care, families who want to attend a Cougar game without having to hear swearing coming out of the ZZU CRU, and locals who think they know soooo much about Cougar basketball even though they obviously couldn't shell out the cash for season tickets ("Get Harmeling out of there! He's terrible! Boy that Thompson kid looks great! Why didn't anyone see that coming?").
Finally, you have the game. This is a somewhat worse Cougar squad going against a somewhat better Husky team, as compared to last year. This wouldn't be a problem, except that the Huskies have been so close to us the last several times, and haven't yet pulled it off. Could today be the day they finally break through? The Dawgs are a terrible team on the road (see: game, Portland) and yet somehow have been able to put together spirited efforts at Friel Court since the awesome 75-47 thrashing of Spencer Hawes. Maybe having less of a student presence could actually help, by not firing them up as much for the game.
The Cougs can win this game. We're two point favorites, which only really accounts for home court advantage, with all other things being equal. We have the talent, though, and we just need to execute. I want the eight-peat. I want to know that Brockman has never won here. Please make it happen.
Key player for the Huskies: Isiah Thomas. I know, Jon Brockman is a great player, but he's very predictable. All he has to do is step on the court and he'll get his 15 and 10. Thomas, on the other hand, is the Huskies' new big scorer and could be the difference if he's not kept in check. He's coming off a career-high 27 against Morgan State.
Key player for the Cougars: Taylor Rochestie. Baynes and Brockman cancel each other out for the most part, and Thompson should get 12 points, a couple of assists and some boards. Rochestie is the key and needs to be the "third scorer" tonight, or defer to someone who will be. As Taylor goes, so do the Cougs, and if he protects the ball and gets Baynes more touches, we could be in for a good afternoon.
Go Cougs. Please win.
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I'm here, and I hope this game thread is hopping!
Can’t wait.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 2:53 PM PST
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We need this one...
Go Cougs. Please win.
Couldn’t have said it better.
by GoCougs on
Jan 3, 2009 3:05 PM PST
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Kevin Calabro on the call
Dang, why can’t we have Brian Davis back?
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 3:06 PM PST
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Have to shoot it well from the start
Feed the BEAST!
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 3:11 PM PST
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"They're going to execute you..."
Damn Lenny we don’t hate UW THAT much…
by GoCougs on
Jan 3, 2009 3:13 PM PST
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Seriously, who do they think is watching this game?
It’s not a national TV audience. Anyone watching this knows exactly what these two teams bring to the table. I hate it when they assume fans are stupid.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 3:14 PM PST
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Baynes cleaned up his "look" for Pac 10?
Nice little hook there. Need to find a way to get him the ball in good position. duh, but true.
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 3:14 PM PST
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Rochestie had that nice first pass
And has been crap since. Man, that guy is REALLY pissing me off.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 3:15 PM PST
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Brockman cannot contend with Baynes' size
Nobody frustrates Brockman like Baynes.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 3:17 PM PST
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Rotchestie should have a big game
If Thomas picks him up all game.
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 3:18 PM PST
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Two fouls on Thompson
Ugh. I don’t like that last call — Overton was leading with his forearm.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 3:19 PM PST
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So many freaking turnovers
Silly ones. Again.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 3:20 PM PST
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Where's our offense going to come from????
I don’t like this line up for the offensive production
by LatonaCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 3:20 PM PST
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No question
I don’t like when Thompson goes out early. Harmeling is just sitting in the corners waiting for the ball. not much motion.
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 3:22 PM PST
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Typical Pac-10 officiating
Totally inconsistent while trying to exert their will on the game. Idiots.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 3:21 PM PST
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Casto
This kids got some hustle, he’s going to be real good.
by GoCougs on
Jan 3, 2009 3:23 PM PST
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We are KILLING them on the glass
That is awesome.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 3:24 PM PST
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Why is Nik in the Game???
He better not be in the game during crunch time!!!
by LatonaCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 3:24 PM PST
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UW
I don’t know if it’s the D or not, but the Huskies are taking some ugly shots
by GoCougs on
Jan 3, 2009 3:25 PM PST
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That's the Dawgs
We just need to make shots. I wonder why Brockman is out so long?
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 3:27 PM PST
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It's the D
They want to run. And they can’t against us. At least not yet. Also, they haven’t gotten Dentmon any shots — he’s been a vastly underrated weapon for them this year.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 3:28 PM PST
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Turnovers
enough with stepping on the baseline and throwing cross court passes! Aarghhh
by Dancing Football on
Jan 3, 2009 3:27 PM PST
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Big block by Casto
Images of Clark! He got up on that one.
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 3:28 PM PST
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Harthun and Capers
this could be interesting
by Dancing Football on
Jan 3, 2009 3:29 PM PST
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THERES THAT RUNNER I REMEMBER
yay taylor
by Dancing Football on
Jan 3, 2009 3:29 PM PST
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Nice pace to the game
Advantage Cougs!
by LatonaCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 3:29 PM PST
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Yes, that's our senior PG! Foul on a 3!
I’m starting to have an irrational dislike for TR.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 3:31 PM PST
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Right now, every time he does something good, he follows it up with something stupid
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 3:31 PM PST
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three freshman on the floor and who fouls on the 3! you guessed it...
I think I might rename TR, how about Frank Stallone?
by Dancing Football on
Jan 3, 2009 3:32 PM PST
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Weird game so far
Neither team seems to be settling into any kind of rhythm.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 3:32 PM PST
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It's going at WSU's pace right now.
But the Huskies are sticking with them.
"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul. I plan to face him with the zeal of a challenger."
-Ichiro on Dice-K
by seatownsports on
Jan 3, 2009 3:34 PM PST
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It's an Isaiah Thomas love fest
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 3:33 PM PST
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Baynes
Last year, when he was doubled, he shut down, he’s made some excelent improvements
by GoCougs on
Jan 3, 2009 3:34 PM PST
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For sure
he’’s making great kickouts, and sometimes just scoring over it
by Dancing Football on
Jan 3, 2009 3:35 PM PST
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GREAT BALL MOVEMENT!
If they keep doing that, there WILL eventually be a breakdown in the UW defense.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 3:35 PM PST
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He'll blow up for his double double in the 2nd half.
"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul. I plan to face him with the zeal of a challenger."
-Ichiro on Dice-K
by seatownsports on
Jan 3, 2009 3:37 PM PST
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What did I say earlier about Dentmon?
Dammit.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 3:38 PM PST
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He's shooting much better this year
He doesn’t have a the point guard duties any longer with Thomas and Overton.
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 3:40 PM PST
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As much as TR frustrates me right now
the pace clearly gets all out of whack when he’s not on the floor. Can’t win with him, can’t win without him right now.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 3:40 PM PST
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I'm a Husky fan.
And i’ve noticed that Dentmon is as good with Appleby with his feet set.
"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul. I plan to face him with the zeal of a challenger."
-Ichiro on Dice-K
by seatownsports on
Jan 3, 2009 3:40 PM PST
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That's a pretty bold statement, my friend
Take your pick about which one I’m referring to … ;-)
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 3:41 PM PST
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Fouls on Baynes - None or 1?
ESPN has him with 0. Yahoo has him with 1. I don’t remember him picking up a foul yet.
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 3:41 PM PST
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Wilkins
Lenny Wilkins is talking way too much and is starting to really annoy me.
by GoCougs on
Jan 3, 2009 3:42 PM PST
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Forest with a great move!
And One, great shot….
by GoCougs on
Jan 3, 2009 3:43 PM PST
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Forest and Harmeling
are too underrated in my opinion
by GoCougs on
Jan 3, 2009 3:45 PM PST
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Forrest especially
because he rebounds
by Dancing Football on
Jan 3, 2009 3:46 PM PST
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The Cougs will have to start being able to fire from 3 if Baynes is getting double teamed
"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul. I plan to face him with the zeal of a challenger."
-Ichiro on Dice-K
by seatownsports on
Jan 3, 2009 3:45 PM PST
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I don't necessarily agree
You do have to rotate it around the perimeter, but it can open up cutting lanes and driving lanes. They just need to be more decisive.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 3:46 PM PST
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Don't get us started on Harmeling not takeing shots
he doesn’t realize he can shoot
by Dancing Football on
Jan 3, 2009 3:46 PM PST
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I would have taken him out here at the end
Shows how much I know.
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 3:47 PM PST
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THought it was a terrible foul
but with a foul to give it is genius!
by Dancing Football on
Jan 3, 2009 3:48 PM PST
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OK, I'm surprised Baynes is still in
No cheap ones.
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 3:49 PM PST
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Now that was a bad foul.
"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul. I plan to face him with the zeal of a challenger."
-Ichiro on Dice-K
by seatownsports on
Jan 3, 2009 3:50 PM PST
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That was a good call, as much as I hate to admit it
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 3:50 PM PST
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Poindexter pushed off to get spacing
Good game
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 3:50 PM PST
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Interesting 1st half. This one will go down to the wire.
"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul. I plan to face him with the zeal of a challenger."
-Ichiro on Dice-K
by seatownsports on
Jan 3, 2009 3:50 PM PST
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that's what we always think
then we let the other team go on a 20-2 run
by Dancing Football on
Jan 3, 2009 3:51 PM PST
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We finished a half better than we have at times
It would be nice to get Harmeling going. He’s barely shot the last couple games.
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 3:52 PM PST
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Angie Mentink is the reason female reporters get ridiculed
She is so beyond terrible.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 3:55 PM PST
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Remember that post Grady wrote about free throw rate?
Yeah, that’s the reason we’re actually still in this game.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 3:57 PM PST
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Mentink
Yeah she is horrible
But she can cannonball the whiskey!!!!
by LatonaCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 3:57 PM PST
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27 straight
UW ladies have beaten the WSU ladies 27 straight times…. That’s sad…
by GoCougs on
Jan 3, 2009 3:59 PM PST
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The gap is closing
They need a couple more years and recruits
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:06 PM PST
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Geez
Another 3? Will these guys please miss?
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 4:07 PM PST
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Danger time
Need a bucket very bad. Any bucket will do
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:08 PM PST
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Here it comes ...
We’re getting outworked and outplayed right out of the gate. This pisses me off more than you can possibly know.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 4:08 PM PST
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Flashbacks
I’m having Vietnam style flashbacks from the Gonzaga game… I’m going to start convulsing… Please! Make it stop!!!
by GoCougs on
Jan 3, 2009 4:09 PM PST
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Thompson has a mismatch
but they need to get the ball into Baynes.
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:09 PM PST
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OH F*%k Here we go again
Nobody acts like they have any confidence in their shot
SO FRUSTRATED RIGHT NOW
by LatonaCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:09 PM PST
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Baynes hasn't got a touch
I think he has confidence. Can’t lose compusure over the next 5 minutes.
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:10 PM PST
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Where's the Senior leadership
We need a floor general
by LatonaCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:11 PM PST
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I'm not sure why...
the pass went to Baynes there. Unlucky?
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:12 PM PST
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I literally cannot believe what I'm seeing
Except I literally can.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 4:11 PM PST
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The Dawg's will let them get back in it
The question is whether we can’t take advantage of it.
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:12 PM PST
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They can get back in it
The Dawg’s have a way of losing leads
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:14 PM PST
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I just threw up all over my couch
need more beer
by LatonaCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:12 PM PST
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Flop.
Brockman is starting to catch fire.
"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul. I plan to face him with the zeal of a challenger."
-Ichiro on Dice-K
by seatownsports on
Jan 3, 2009 4:14 PM PST
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glass is now empty
i’ve been trying to be a glass half full guy all season…but we are terrible. we don’t have one player who can change the game, our O is SOOOO bad. 4 pac 10 wins. i miss kyle.
by donkeyjon12 on
Jan 3, 2009 4:14 PM PST
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Klay Thompson isn't an adequete 1st option?
"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul. I plan to face him with the zeal of a challenger."
-Ichiro on Dice-K
by seatownsports on
Jan 3, 2009 4:15 PM PST
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No question on Weaver
I wish he had got that redshirt his first year.
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:15 PM PST
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What the F&%k Rochestie
Do our guys have any confidence in themselves????
Taylor just looks ridiculous
by LatonaCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:15 PM PST
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Looked like they are starting to lose it
That’s not going to help.
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:17 PM PST
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What are you going to do when a team is draining every 3?
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 4:18 PM PST
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Believe it or not, that's been a weakness of ours the whole season.
"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul. I plan to face him with the zeal of a challenger."
-Ichiro on Dice-K
by seatownsports on
Jan 3, 2009 4:18 PM PST
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They are actually getting good looks
from the right guys from 3.
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:19 PM PST
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Um, I believe it
And I know it. That’s why this is so damn frustrating.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 4:19 PM PST
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Get Cocky Huskies
We’ll come back if we can stop their three’s
by LatonaCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:19 PM PST
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we have barely seen that from nik
getting to the basket is the best part of his game.
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:21 PM PST
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Moving screen on Casto
They have got to call that.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 4:21 PM PST
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That was a nice behind the back.
"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul. I plan to face him with the zeal of a challenger."
-Ichiro on Dice-K
by seatownsports on
Jan 3, 2009 4:22 PM PST
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WSU in the bonus!
That was the 6th foul on UW
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:23 PM PST
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Bryan-Ammaning with 4, Brockman with 3 fouls
Their guards are doing the most damage though.
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:24 PM PST
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Hard to get back in a game without getting stops
We need a few more of those
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 4:23 PM PST
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Washington is really pressuring the ball and denying passes
Where’s the backdoor cut we saw on the very first play? Where are the hard cuts to the basket? We’re letting Washington do this to us, and I am absolutely losing my mind about it.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 4:27 PM PST
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Can someone tell me the value of Nik
I want to believe in him but seems we just stall offensively with him in game
by LatonaCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:27 PM PST
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The offense just seems to stop when Nik is on the floor
Which is funny, because that’s pretty much 180 degrees opposite of what we thought of him as a freshman. Well, it’s not really funny, but you know what I mean.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 4:28 PM PST
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Cougs need to get to the line
In the bonus with 10 min left, their Free throws can keep them in it.
by GoCougs on
Jan 3, 2009 4:28 PM PST
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Free throws may be the difference
We all know how good the huskies are from the line
by LatonaCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:29 PM PST
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I wouldn't put the dagger in yet..
But it’s close… One more UW run, it’s over.
by GoCougs on
Jan 3, 2009 4:32 PM PST
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The offense has no life
I don’t see any way we come back in this one, especially with the minutes Nik is getting.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 4:33 PM PST
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5 possessions and only 3 points
They don’t seem to have someone to go through to make shots. They can’t get it to Baynes and Thompson and Rotchestie are mostly going 1-on-1.
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:32 PM PST
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That is a horrible call
Dentmon tripped. I’m telling you, there just aren’t enough possessions left with the state of our offense to win this game.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 4:34 PM PST
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Yep, letting it get too far away
I would think about getting Harthun some time. He hasn’t looked good shooting but maybe he gives you a chance. They need some 3’s. A lot of 3’s.
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:35 PM PST
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we don't like winning
down 10 6 minutes left…………if we only played O we couldn’t win this game. oh and by the way, we start 4 seniors.
by donkeyjon12 on
Jan 3, 2009 4:35 PM PST
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I'm so very depressed right now
Seriously, can’t anything go right for me as a fan this year? The one thing in my life I thought I had to look forward to isn’t nearly as good as I thought it would be. They haven’t gotten any better, which leads me to believe this is what we’re getting for the rest of the year. It’s going to be very, very, VERY frustrating.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 4:35 PM PST
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I'm still puking
There needs to be something positive for a Coug to look forward to
by LatonaCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:42 PM PST
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So...
So… Hey! The NFL playoffs are on… I think I’ll watch the Cardinals/Falcons for a bit and get my mind off this rubbish for a bit.(The Cards are going to win.)
by GoCougs on
Jan 3, 2009 4:36 PM PST
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A one-on-one 3 with 20 left on the clock?
Yeah, way to ruin every good thing you’ve done this game, Taylor. Thanks.
by Nuss on
Jan 3, 2009 4:37 PM PST
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We're just not a good offensive team
We need some shooting threats
This needs to be fixed ASAP or else we are in for a very long season.
At what point do you bench Nik and start giving the freshman playing time?
by LatonaCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:44 PM PST
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I don't think you bail on the season yet
The offensive is definitely the problem though. Casto will get more time as the season goes on but he is still so raw. He doesn’t help you on offensive. Thompson needs to grow up fast and someone else has to step up. Maybe the Aussie Motum next year?
Harthun looks like the only possibility of helping out on the offensive side but how much can you expect from him?
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:47 PM PST
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FSN is worst than our offense today
I hate FSN
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:52 PM PST
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20 point loss anyone?
At home to the Dawgs? Horrilbe!
by BornCoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:53 PM PST
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Can't rebound
How about maybe putting Casto in a little more to rebound? Tony hasn’t figured this team out yet I don’t think. Maybe they do stuff different in practice.
by selahcoug on
Jan 3, 2009 4:59 PM PST
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I posted this on the wrong thread, sorry.
Nuss or Jo-jo
I have stated my dislike for Nik in the game. Please explain to me why he played so much today. I would like to know what he has shown us that should give me confidence in him the rest of the season. I realize the same could be said for many players out there, but he stands out…as usual…
by MLips on
Jan 3, 2009 5:41 PM PST
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Sorry I missed the thread guys
That game went exactly the way I expected it to. I didn’t say anything prior to the game because people on this site have been way too optimistic about this team’s chances heading into the conference schedule.
I said it after the LSU game, this team will not make the tourney unless something changes. And nothing – NOTHING – has changed over the past 6 weeks.
This game was a bit frustrating to watch, but since I kinda expected it, I’m not as pissed as I was last week. Time to get the youngun some run.
by Jo-Jo on
Jan 3, 2009 6:14 PM PST
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suprised
Surprised and frusted as well. Harmeling is no longer getting any touches when we need offense. Niko should not be playing Pac 10 basketball and for me his play is extremely tough to watch but there is plenty of blame to go around. I figured this season was going to have its ups and downs but right now I am seeing a very tough year. They seem to be regressing as the season continues. I did not think our freshman talent was this raw. Just another dissapointment in this horrendous sports year. I am still optimistic for the future but its gonna take some patience. Did any of you catch the post game with Tony. Just curious to know what he said. Go Cougs.
by koolbreeze on
Jan 3, 2009 10:27 PM PST
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