POSTGAME THREAD: Success?
by Jeff Nusser on Oct 10, 2009 5:33 PM PDT
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PrintIn most places, a 27-14 loss would not be considered success. But WSU is not most places right now.
The defense generated six turnovers. The offense scored two touchdowns, including one that flashed just what kind of a playmaker Johnny Forzani could be. We kept it within the 21-point spread. All of those things are positive.
But the defense still gave up more than 400 yards, including 217 on the ground. We gave up nine sacks to a team that only had three entering today -- and that team had played Idaho State. We still had dumb mistakes, like two delay of game penalties. Take away the 99-yard touchdown to Forzani, and Jeff Tuel was just 8-of-20 for 67 yards with a TD and two interceptions.
Did I mention that we generated six turnovers -- and could only score 14 points?
Surely, there were positives, but there were lots of negatives, too.
So I ask you: How will you evaluate this game?
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Depressing...
We could have very easily won, there was some poor coaching involved. Marshal should have never entered the game, even if Tuel did throw 2 early picks. Marshal is a sitting duck in the pocket with a weak offensive line that has lost 4 starters. Tuel sorat redeemed his early woes by throwing 2 TD’s. We just couldnt capitilize on the turnovers the D gave us. A heartbreaker for sure, cause we got 2 weeks to sit and consider what could have been a great momentum building win going into a bye week.
Who else is numb?
I would like 2 consecutive weeks with most of the fall camp starters available. Of course I want Tuel as the QB. The defense wasn’t awful although ASU helped us out. I voted nuetral on this game. The turnover before half pretty much put a nail in it.
I’m still giving Wulff a chance although the prevent at the end of the half was terrible although I guess it wasn’t on every play. The thing I give him credit for is almost every young kid playing are better than what we are seeing from the older players.
This is still tough to watch.
There is no way that this was unmitigated anything
An unmitigated disaster would be coming out against a team that we match up with well, ASU, and putting up numbers like we did against Oregon. An unmitigated success would be putting up numbers like Oregon did against us. There were a lot of positives, that’s something you can’t always say about this team. However, there were a lot of negatives as well, that’s something you can always say about our team.
by GoCougs on Oct 10, 2009 5:42 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I think they might respect our defense...
but for 2 to 3 quarters our offense was horrible. Lobster just stood there staring and we’d end up have 3rd and 23 a lot. We got better pass protection towards the end and when Tuel has time… well, the guy has an arm. He was able to throw some more deep balls and one would’ve been a 50yd if not for pass interference.
Yes.
ASU really shouldn’t disrespect or overlook anyone remaining on their schedule.
Their offense is atrocious, but on the other hand turnovers don’t force themselves. Bland and Mattingly were phenomenal. The D stole momentum a couple times in this game, and when ASU started to get cocky I think that 99 yard pass play reminded them there was plenty of ball left to play.
by Grady Clapp on Oct 10, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I REALLY want to see Tuel
with a healthy O-line. He started showing some of his arm strength today and you know it’s only going to get stronger over the years :)
Tuel looked pretty bad for 2.5 quarters
The throws he missed were not even close. He rebounded later with some better plays. However both of the TD plays were made by the wide receivers, not by Tuel. He is a true freshman, so I don’t want to be tough on him. But he was not exactly the QB he looked like vs. USC. Of course he should be much better with a health O-line.
Vote for Butch!
by spencer peaty on Oct 10, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
To me,
it seemed like he was trying to do too much on those interceptions. He didn’t NEED to make those throws but you can tell he WANTED to… as he gains experience, he’ll focus more on the things he needs to do. After those interceptions he seemed to overthrow more often, so maybe he was overcompensating?
Stanford has played so well this year
I just remember this game was on so I don’t know what happened. I’ll guess and give the credit to OSU. It bums me out watching OSU be where I thought we would be 5 years ago.
Those first few drives were cool even though no points came of them.
There were a lot of trick plays and karstetter ALMOST had a TD on that 2nd drive, but just couldn’t bring it down. There was a lot of “almost” things that could’ve made this game a lot closer.
That 99yd TD was awesome! Tuel is already in the record books as having the longest TD in school history.
Did anyone see this?
Did anyone else see Erickson, or at least I think it was him, collapse on the ASU sideline. It happened in the 3rd quarter just after we scored. On the ensuing series an ASU coach, that we all thought was Erickson, collapsed and was down on the ground for a bit before being helped to the bench for a few series. Just wondering if radio had said anything or anyone else noticed.
Weird, it was pretty noticeable
I was all the way across the field from it but our whole section saw him drop and he was laying on the ground with coaches surrounding him before moving to the bench with his head down.
To stay on topic I don’t see any moral victories at this point. When we’re what +3 or +4 in turnovers and only score 14 points it’s not a good situation. We forced the TOs we needed to in order to have a chance to win but couldn’t get anything out of it.
Just put a fanpost up about
the top 5 reasons why this was poorly coached game, if anyone is interested.
Vote for Butch!
This loss is at least a little tough to swallow.
I can’t stop thinking “what if” with the six turnovers. Haven’t thought that after a game since 2007.
Same, the TOs we created make this so much worse
We legitimately had a shot with the plays the D made
I just looked at the stats
235 yards passing, -54 rushing. 181 total yards. Not Good at all
Without that 99 yard pass our numbers look terrible. They still are pretty darn bad with it. We can’t run the ball with our o-line and we just plain had trouble. Not a good performance and I don’t see how we could be content with it
Those few times
Tuel had times to make reads… he looked good :)
Which of our remaining opponents have the weakest D-line?
my knee-jerk reaction is slight step negative.
Yes, we did cover the spread. Yes, we played defense. Yes we forced turnovers. That having been said, NO team that gets 6 turnovers should lose the game, period.
Well, here's how
Twelve sacks. Twenty-three negative plays. Minus-54 yards rushing. Five penalties on offense. Three turnovers.
Those things will negate 6 turnovers. We lost this game because of the offensive line. It wouldn’t have mattered if we had Bo Jackson back there.
definitely a tough loss
but it was great to see how much the defense has improved since last year. Just the simple fact that we get to even contemplate “what-ifs” based off of turnovers was unthinkable last year.
2 years
We are seeing the signs but they still need to figure out the interior d-line. The back 7 will get faster and deeper next year. I hope Daniels and now Simmons can recover quickly from their broken legs. As much as we need Rankin to become eligible we probably need Buckley to get in, get in shape, and play next year.
We will look a lot better next year and then become a solid defense in 2011. Not fast enough for a lot of people but about what we should expect.
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