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Should Wulff be fired after just two seasons?

Following yet another predictable drubbing at the hands of yet another Pac-10 foe, the question as to whether Paul Wulff deserves to hang onto his job for a third season is bubbling to the surface yet again.

It's been intimated at various times and in various spots around the site in comments that we at CougCenter are at best Wulff sympathizers and at worst staunchly in Wulff's corner, and aren't really interested in frank discussion about the coach and his staff. I don't want to speak for my fellow authors, but neither could be further than the truth when it comes to me (reference here and here), and I know Grady hasn't always been glowing in his assessments of Wulff, either. In general, we feel like we're critical when criticism is warranted, but we also try to be as fair and evenhanded in our evaluations as is possible.

Obviously, not everyone thinks that's the case.

So, in the interest of putting this "CougCenter loves Paul Wulff" rhetoric to rest, let's have a frank and honest discussion of the status of Wulff's job. I can't promise we'll reach a conclusion that makes everyone happy, as there certainly is room for reasonable minds to differ. But I can promise that I'm going to try and look at this from every conceivable angle, bringing in arguments on both sides.

Plausibility vs. possibility

To start with, I think any honest discussion about Wulff's job security needs to start with one critical question: Is it even plausible that he could lose his job? Sure, it's possible; but then again, it's possible that I could win Mega Millions this week.

The reality is that the WSU athletic department has taken a major hit in this economic climate (just like everyone else), and Athletic Director Jim Sterk has been forced to trim from the budget (just like everyone else). But unlike everyone else, WSU already operates at a substantial financial disadvantage -- it has the smallest budget in the conference and the fewest number of donors.

It's important to recognize the gravity of that, because with three years at approximately $600,000 per left on the original five-year deal, I can't imagine any plausible scenario where the WSU athletic department decides it's a good idea to pay someone $1.8 million not to coach while simultaneously paying a new guy approximately $700,000 to $800,000 (as the price of head coaches has gone up) to coach. That's just reality.

Is it possible that there's some sugar daddy donor out there so disillusioned with the state of the program that he's willing to pony up $2 million to make Wulff go away? As we said, anything's possible. But at a time when Sterk's openly working hard to raise the funds to renovate Martin Stadium -- and not exactly setting the world on fire doing it -- the plausibility of that person existing is slim.

I think even the most ardent "fire Wulff" supporter would have to acknowledge this reality. Still, in the interest of having an honest and earnest conversation, let's set this aside for the moment and assume that it is, in fact, plausible that Wulff could be dismissed at the end of the year. At that point, the question obviously becomes whether his performance actually warrants dismissal.

Star-divide

The talent question

We've heard the argument over and over again: Bill Doba left the cupboard bare. Wulff himself intimated as much (repeatedly) from the moment he took over, and it's an argument we've made. But really, we like things that we can measure around here. So, I tried to think of some way to measure the level of talent in a program. I considered looking at recruiting class rankings, but we all know how reliable those things are. They're great at the time, but often turn out to be inaccurate.

So, here's what I settled on. It's admittedly crude, but it's at least concrete, and I think it provides some perspective. Here are the number of future NFL players* on each WSU roster since 1997:

* With "future NFL player" being defined as a player who spent at least a day on an active NFL roster. This table is the best I could come up with from my research, and it might not be complete -- with all the information available on the internet, you'd think it would be pretty easy to track this stuff down. Not the case.

Year Record NFL Players Players
1997 10-2 13 McKenzie (Sr.), McEndoo (Sr.), Withrow (Sr.), C. Jackson (Sr.), Boose (Sr.), Bender (Sr.), Leaf (Jr.), Lindell (So.), Gleason (So.), Riley (So.), Thompson (Fr.), Meier (Fr.), R. Smith (Fr.), 
1998 3-8 6 Meier (Sr.), Lindell (Jr.), Gleason (Jr.), Riley (Jr.), Thompson (So.), R. Smith (Fr.), 
1999 3-9 11 Lindell (Sr.), Meier (Sr.), Riley (Sr.), Gleason (Sr.), Thompson (Jr.), Wynn (Jr.), Holden (Jr.), M. Williams (Jr.), R. Smith (So.), Trufant (Fr.), Gesser (Fr.)
2000 4-7 12 Thompson (Sr.), Holden (Sr.), Wynn (Jr.), M. Williams (Sr.), R. Smith (Jr.), Trufant (So.), Gesser (So.), Coleman (Fr.), David (Fr.), Paymah (Fr.), Ha. Abdullah (Fr.), Long (Fr.)
2001 10-2 11 R. Smith (Sr.), Thompson (Sr.), Trufant (Jr.), Gesser (Jr.), Paymah (So.), Long (So.), Ha. Abdullah (So.), Coleman (So.), David (So.), Long (So.), Bienemann (Fr.)
2002 10-3 12 Trufant (Sr.), Gesser (Sr.), Ha. Abdullah (Jr.), Coleman (Jr.), David (Jr.), Long (Jr.), Paymah (Jr.), Darling (So.), Bienemann (So.), Mihlhauser (Fr.), Bruce (Fr.), Frampton (Fr.)
2003 10-3 11 Ha. Abdullah (Sr.), Coleman (Sr.), David (Sr.), Paymah (Sr.), Darling (Jr.), Bienemann (Jr.), Mihlhauser (So.), Bruce (So.), Frampton (So.), Hu. Abdullah (Fr.), Hill (Fr.)
2004 5-6 12 Ha. Abdullah (5Sr.), Paymah (5Sr.), Bienemann (Sr.), Bruce (Jr.), Frampton (Jr.), Harrison (Jr.), Mihlhauser (Jr.), Brackenridge (Jr.), Hu. Abdullah (So.), Hill (So.), Bumpus (Fr.), Collins (Fr.)
2005* 4-7 11 Bienemann (5Sr.), Bruce (Sr.), Frampton (Sr.), Harrison (Sr.), Mihlhauser (Sr.), Brackenridge (Sr.), Hill (Jr.), Hu. Abdullah (Jr.), Bumpus (So.), Collins (So.), Gibson (Fr.),
2006* 6-6 8 Brackenridge (5Sr.), Bruce (5Sr.), Frampton (5Sr.), Hu. Abdullah (Sr.), Hill (Sr.), Bumpus (Jr.), Collins (Jr.), Gibson (So.)
2007* 5-7 4 Hu. Abdullah (5Sr.), Bumpus (Sr.), Collins (Sr.), Gibson (Jr.) 
2008* 2-11 1 Gibson (Sr.)

The years with asterisks next to them are obviously not complete, but let me ask you a question: How many guys that started in 2005 or 2006 do you expect to be added to this list? Kenny Alfred, generally considered WSU's best pro prospect graduating this year, is a longshot at this point to make an NFL roster (although I certainly wouldn't bet against him). Andy Mattingly probably will get a camp invite, but he won't make a roster. Maybe Reid Forrest? But there are only 32 punting jobs in the world, and it's darn hard to crack one of them.

If you want to make a case for a player even being potentially NFL quality, you've got to reach all the way down to the freshman and sophomore classes. That's an enormous gap in developed talent, one that we simply have not seen in the last 12 to 15 years. Looking at that table, in most years at least half of those 11-12 players that would eventually end up in the NFL were upperclassmen. Any credible critique of the job Wulff and his staff are doing has to at least acknowledge that this team has less upper end talent to work with than any team in the last decade and a half, outside of maybe 1998.

It's impossible to make a reasonable argument that holds Wulff accountable for this, and again, people must acknowledge what a difference it is now from where we were even five years ago.

But what about "coaching up the guys you've got?"

This is an area where those disillusioned with Wulff potentially have a valid gripe. While talent can make even poor coaches look good and it clearly has an impact on what coaches feel like they can do with scheme, it does not necessarily limit creativity, and I've been consistently stunned by the lack thereof in that area this year. I understood it to a degree last year, when the team was just getting going in this system for the first time and Wulff admitted they just threw too much at the guys too fast.

But this year? They should be able to do some things designed to attack opponents' weak spots, especially on offense. Yet, we see very little beyond vanilla play calling in that regard. Mike Holmgren always used to say that he thought he could make a touchdown difference for his team simply through his schemes and gameplans, either at the beginning of the game before adjustments could be made or at the end of the game in play calling. I've never once -- not once in 22 games -- felt like we have gained an advantage by outcoaching the opponent.

Perhaps it just comes down to talent and execution. But it's equally plausible that it's not just talent and execution, which as led some to say that Wulff and his staff are in over their heads. And when they say that, they're really talking about three guys: Wulff, offensive coordinator Todd Sturdy and defensive co-coordinator Jody Sears. Between the three of them, had exactly six years (!) of FBS coaching experience before coming to Pullman -- all of it by Sears, who spent three years at Iowa State as a grad assistant and three years at West Point as an assistant.

Sturdy and Sears were Wulff's coordinators at Eastern, and he was insistent on bringing his guys with him to Pullman. He believed (and presumably still believes) in what they were doing at EWU, but whether that was the right move is clearly in question at this point. One has to wonder if Wulff let his loyalty get in the way of better judgment.

To wit: Sturdy had been head coach at NAIA St. Ambrose University for 12 years before joining Wulff for one year at Eastern; Sears had been Wulff's defensive coordinator for five years and was named defensive co-coordinator at WSU because Wulff felt like he "earned" the opportunity with his work at EWU , even as he was hiring Chris Ball -- whose experience as an FBS coach is unparalleled on this staff -- to be his assistant head coach and other defensive co-coordinator. Neither had the pedigree to suggest that they were ready for the jump to coordinating at an FBS school.

Building a family atmosphere is important. But when you have no experience coaching at the FBS level and you choose to put people who also have essentially zero FBS coaching experience in two of your most prominent coaching positions, it's naturally going to bring your decision making into question -- especially when they've done very little to distinguish themselves over the better part of the two years following, at least to the naked eye.

Additionally, assistants are the ones most closely working with players on their individual development. Again, you can't evaluate development in a vacuum, but I can't think of a player that I've seen who I've thought, "Wow! That guy has gotten so much better!" Yes, they've gotten stronger, but they don't seem to be a lot better. I realize there are subtleties to that sort of thing that might be invisible to my untrained eye, but it seems like it would be at least a little bit obvious if a guy is really growing.

This doesn't even take into account the number of undisciplined plays many of the players make on a weekly basis. Youth can be blamed for a lot of things, but many of the mistakes that are consistently being made are of the cerebral variety. Coaches -- particularly the assistants -- have to bear some of the responsibility.

At this point, one could make the argument that many players seem to actually be regressing.

There is one thing, however, the coaching staff does need to get credit for: These players clearly believe in what their coaches are doing. They showed a commitment to the offseason program that had been missing for years, and they have yet to quit on this season, or any game in it. When you're getting your face kicked in week after week, that's no small feat.

On recruiting

Of course, those who defend Wulff point to the guys who are actually making plays on the field: The guys who were brought in by Wulff and his staff. Louis Bland, Travis Long, Gino Simone, Bernard Wolfgramm, Johnny Forzani, Jeff Tuel, Zack Williams, Jeffrey Solomon, Myron Beck ... the list goes on. Wulff's first stub of a recruiting class produced some of the guys on that list, and the rest came from last year's recruiting class, which was the highest rated for WSU in years. Wulff and his staff are already raving about this year's class as being better than last year's (although recruiting services don't necessarily concur with that opinion).

That they're able to do this with an on-field product that is among the worst in all of college football is pretty darn remarkable.

This is where things really get a little dicey if you want to consider changing coaches at the end of this year. As shown earlier, this is already a program virtually devoid of developed, upper-tier talent, thanks to a couple of poor recruiting classes at the end of the Bill Doba regime and a "half" recruiting class in Wulff's first year. What happens if you change coaches now? How many of those players back out of their verbal commitments, since signing day isn't until February? (If you listen to Wulff, there already are a number of WSU's verbals still being recruited by other Pac-10 foes.) And what does that do for the overall talent level in the program once again?

If you fire Wulff this year, whoever takes over this program would have the unenviable task of trying to convince a bunch of kids who were sold on the family atmosphere that they should still come to Pullman. (With many of them presumably heading elsewhere.) In essence, that coach would be inheriting a program with one solid recruiting class in five years after cutting yet another one off at the knees. That's a pretty steep price to pay to make a change.

Final thoughts

When you take all of these things on balance, I just don't see how this administration can let Wulff go at the end of this season. Nobody is happy with the performance on the field, and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks Paul Wulff is going a fantastic job. Athletic Director Jim Sterk, who has been publicly supportive of his coach, might very well have made a colossal mistake in hiring Wulff in the first place. But you have to acknowledge the following:

  • There is a very real talent gap -- not just between us and the rest of the Pac-10, but also between where we are now and where we used to be when we were competing in this conference.
  • The talent gap is the biggest reason why this team is not competitive right now, no matter what you think of the coaching job.
  • Firing this coaching staff this year would only make that talent gap worse.
  • The probability that the school has the financial wherewithal to make such a move is minimal, anyway.

However, it should be noted that you can certainly change some of the rest of the coaching staff without necessarily adversely affecting the positive things this staff is doing overall. Breathe some new life into the offense with another coordinator -- perhaps one who already has had substantial success at the FBS level. Make Ball the only guy calling the shots on defense. Reassign Steve Broussard and get a new special teams coach.

I'm normally not one for appeasement, but at a time when the athletic department is trying to raise funds for an upgrade to the stadium, a (relatively) low cost maneuver such as replacing some assistants will send the subtle but firm message to the fanbase that they're not satisfied with where they are at while at the same time endorsing the overall direction of the program, which both recruits and players are buying into. These are very doable moves, and if you hire the right guys, they could have a real -- and immediate -- impact on the field.

After those changes, it has to be made clear to Wulff and his staff that tangible progress in the form of wins has to come next year. If it doesn't, you run the risk of killing off whatever it is that still has these players playing hard and still has recruits wanting to come here. You can sell them on a rebuilding job for a couple of years, but when that thing starts dragging into year three with no sign of real progress, a losing culture sets in that can be incredibly difficult to break.

If you are forced to make a change at that point -- year four, post Doba -- the new coach would have two solid recruiting classes as his foundation, with many of those players having developed into experienced sophomores and juniors. While it might not be fair to keep Wulff and his staff from sticking around to see the fruits of their labor, it's the reality of the business, and probably the best chance for the program to take its next step forward.

For now, though? The optimum way to keep the program making positive progress is to make sure that Paul Wulff sees year three -- not for the benefit of Wulff, but for the benefit of the program.

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This is an accurate, thorough look at the situation.

If we could get a guarantee that we could keep the recruits that we have a verbal from, and we did not have to worry about paying Wulff for 3 years, I would argue he should go this year. But you’re right, there are just too many aspects of the move that would hurt the program trying to remove him this year. I do think that Wulff is a weak on the field coach. I don’t recall ever thinking we had a great scheme on either side of the ball these last two years. Nor can I think of any players that have shown a marked improvement under his watch.

Ultimately I agree with you conclusion that changing the offensive coordinator would be the best move for this offseason. It would send the right message and it should help us on the field.

Vote for Butch!

by spencer peaty on Nov 10, 2009 6:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Wulff

Great Analysis. Wulff needs to stay the head coach for a couple more years, but it is definitely time to let his OC and DC go.

Why not just promote Levenseller back to the job that he had no business being demoted from in the first place? At least we know his system actually works at the Pac-10 level. It seems so simple on so many levels.

by LACoug on Nov 10, 2009 7:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Levenseller is a great OC...

and Ball is a great DC…

Why aren’t they the assistant coaches? It’s not like the guys we have work ONLY for a no huddle offense—in fact, it’s probably the opposite right now.

by james_WSU on Nov 10, 2009 8:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's about time

Great review Nuss. I still think there’s room to grow at the “Coaching Up” subject, but maybe the best way to do that is with the Assistants???? It would be difficult from a management standpoint (Wulff) to switch the roles of Levy & Ball to OC/DC, without letting go of some of the Eastern guys. THEN AGAIN – it may be these guys responsible for our recruiting success…

by HugeBoobs on Nov 10, 2009 8:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't really sound like it's Sturdy and Sears making the difference with the recruits

But I obviously can’t say that for sure. Levy was instrumental in recruiting under Price and Doba, and Ball seems to be the one already taking the lead on defensive recruits. So I don’t think it would be an enormous shift.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 10, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

cougars QB's and the current cougs

we are too far into the 2nd year to make a chg now – but if we start the 3rd year as bad as the lasr two … then a chg must come.
 One major chg now for wsu fans under paul w is that in years past … even during the lean years… wsu always had an offense that was fun to watch … even though we had losing seasons. wsu’s offensive performance gave us hope… …not so now. (not until Jeff T grows and develops )
Alex Brink, Drew B. Mark Rypein, R Leaf, J Gesser, Timm R – who all had losing season and played in games where wsu was beaten badly.

by willarose on Nov 10, 2009 8:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

nice recap...

…of why we are as bad as we are. Heart warming.

I like your matrix on the pro quality players relating to the talent level and wins. Sterk sent out some numbers early in the year that pointed out what % of our recruits had other BCS offers and I think that did a nice job showing how we pull kids vs. our peers. I wish I could find the email, but we don’t need it to knowDoba was not getting BCS talent. This crew of recruiters look a lot better, as our commits actually have other offers. Wow! Basically, Doba was going after the fat chick. He was lazy, and knew they would say yes. At least CPW is working hard to get some talent.

I 100% agree with the thoughts on Sturdy. Being inducted into the Ambrose Hall of Fame does not give me the warm and fuzzy feeling of a high powered offence. CPW has mentioned before that it is the same X’s and O’s just with bigger and faster players. I can’t disagree more. If this were the cast, we would see some great option teams in the NFL, and maybe Tommy Frazier would have a job…or would have had a job…he is old now. The higher level the talent, the more sophisticated the O and D need to be, and Sturdy’s “hurry up” just does nothing for me. Levy could work I guess, although I had my issues with with all those screen passes too!

by dflynnwsu on Nov 10, 2009 8:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I disagree and can't understand a few arguments...
  1. and the most baffling is the rhetoric of “Players Not Quitting,” I mean how is this measured? I watched a replay of that Arizona game (yes I actually watched it). Not sure how it was determined the players aren’t quitting on their coach? Didn’t look like they ever started to begin with. I’m not saying they are, but to use that argument is ridiculous. It’s just rhetoric used weekly by Wulff, because it’s something that really can’t be proven…yet something he feels is working on his corner with the Wulff for 4 years supporters.
  1. Firing the Coaching Staff would only make the talent base worse? Wow, how do you come up with this “FACT.” I absolutely disagree, is there anything worse that is possible? I mean Saturday and Oregon earlier in the season were about as poorly played games by a D1 Football team as I’ve ever seen. Is worse talent even possible? If anything, a new coach might be able to coach these kids to where we can actually recognize improvement. This team under Wulff is clearly not improving based on what I read on this site regarding Dline and Oline play (to me the cornerstone’s of improvement).

I do agree though that the economy will save Wulff, it’s unfortunate…as I feel strongly he’s just going to extend the true rebuilding process years out. It’s really sad to watch this guy make an embarrasment out of this program as he as. I for one can’t take any more of this 145 – 3 first quarter BS.

by ReidForrest4Heisman on Nov 10, 2009 9:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Firing the Coaching Staff would only make the talent base worse? Wow, how do you come up with this "FACT."

It is a fact that if you fire this coaching staff, you will lose a significant portion of this recruiting class, and therefore will make the overall talent of the team worse. That is not in dispute.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 10, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

don't forget about depth too

If we lose the recruits that you obviously consider “bad” then any injuries sustained next year will hurt even more than this year. Imagine THAT.

by johnnycougar on Nov 10, 2009 11:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The worsening of talent is easy

He’s recruiting better players then we currently have. That is clear based on who is playing and making a difference now, as Nuss pointed out in the main article. To fire Wulf means that this incoming recruited class is probably depleted (lose at least 5-6 of the better players) leaving us with little talent coming in, one real recruiting class (last years) one depleted class (Doba fired, Wulff pieced it together) and Doba’s last few years of recruiting (wife battling cancer, Doba not leaving Pullman, etc.) Bottom line, the talent is getting better. Talent here means raw things like size, speed, and football knowledge. What coaches do with that is up to them, and it can definately be argued Wulff isn’t doing enough. But let’s replenish the cabinet another year before bringing in someone new.

by 02Coug on Nov 10, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

5-6 players that can likely be compensated for

By a new coach…To me it’s a no lose situation.

by ReidForrest4Heisman on Nov 10, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nuss - a really great post,

… but there is merit here.

there is no evidenced that players haven’t quit. To the contrary, it seems some have, in fact.

the notion that somehow you’d lose players you were in on is a dynamic you’ll have to face somewhwere along the line assuming Wulff cannot coach them up. it really doesn’t matter if it is this year or next.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.

by Gekko Mojo on Nov 11, 2009 2:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I understand there's no concrete way to evaluate whether players have "quit"

However, anyone who has watched this team closely over the past two years cannot dispute the fact that this team is fighting harder and longer than last year’s team did. They were getting steamrolled by 60 last year, rolling over as the game got out of hand. This team has not done that, and the scoring margins prove it.

To people who say we can’t prove they’ve quit, can you prove they have? Bring something to the table other than anecdotal observations and maybe I’ll listen to this argument.

the notion that somehow you’d lose players you were in on is a dynamic you’ll have to face somewhwere along the line assuming Wulff cannot coach them up. it really doesn’t matter if it is this year or next.

But it DOES matter. If you have a stump of a recruiting class after two solid ones, you can absorb that hit. But to have two “half” recruiting classes in three years? That’s a killer for any program, let alone one already as talent depleted as this one. I think you set the rebuilding job back much farther by changing coaches right now, unless you’re going to hire some big name hotshot who can come in and poach some recruits. WSU can’t do that financially, and that’s pretty much my entire reasoning for not wanting to change coaches.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 11, 2009 9:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Arizona could have won 70-7

if they wanted to keep their foot on the gas.

a lot of the scores being closer this year is the other coaches getting all of their guys a chance to play imo. USC clearly coasted, Oregon could have done anything they wanted to.

this week against UCLA will really tell a lot i think in terms of where we are compared to the other lower end teams in the pac10. if UCLA wins by 40, i’m really concerned.

by coug2828 on Nov 11, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the biggest difference....

Last year, teams would put in their second stringers against our starters and they would increase their lead. Their 2nd team was better than our first team.

This year, their 2nd teams are not better than our starters. They are about the same, which is why you don’t see them increase the lead.

Hopefully there will once again be a time when our starters are as good as the other teams starters.

by mmevans15 on Nov 11, 2009 7:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha

They are co-number 1s. Like our DCs. But I digress.

Go Cougs! Beat the Bruins!

by DCinSEA on Nov 10, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like we're losing 5-7 recruits to "POACHING"

according to his rant during the press conference.

Was also stunned to hear his comment stating the pac-10 needs to go to 8 conferences games because “we’re beating up one another.”

I might of just stayed out of that debate until you actually won a division game.

by ReidForrest4Heisman on Nov 10, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He said that other schools

are TRYING to poach 5-7 but he believes they are staying with their commitment to WSU.

by james_WSU on Nov 10, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cool list,

here are some schools that pay their head coaches more than we do-

Tulsa, Wyoming, Southern Miss, San Diego St., New Mexico, Colorado St., Air force.

Vote for Butch!

by spencer peaty on Nov 10, 2009 11:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There's one key team that aught to be placed in your list.

Southern Methodist. The one team that Wulff beat this year.

Coach June Jones makes over double of what Wulff makes AND coaches for a smaller school in a smaller division.

by cfred on Nov 11, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is it safe to say...

that Wulff is on the “hot seat” to begin next season? And if so, how about Sterk?

"Anytime, Anyplace"
"Life is hard, it's harder if you're stupid." - John Wayne

by Husky nav on Nov 10, 2009 11:26 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think Sterk is safe

Unless Bone ends up being the worst Pac-10 coach of all time or something.

by DrayCox on Nov 10, 2009 11:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No

Sterk had to play with what he was given with the football hire. Given the available list, Wulff was as good as he could’ve done and who knows what will happen. He’s done fine with basketball.

Additionally, his hires are only part of his body of work. He’s moving the stadium renovation along as well as other athletic upgrades. He’s also working on generating revenue in a down economic time. He’s done just fine.

by cougfan on Nov 10, 2009 11:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Also

Matt Potter, Andrew Palileo, June Daugherty, and Donnie Marbut.

CougCenter WSU's second main blog

by Dancing Football on Nov 11, 2009 8:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why would Sterk be on the hot seat when he's kept the department afloat financially

And just about every other hire he’s made has been a home run. That would be stupid.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 11, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just curious...

as to how Sterk is viewed by coug fans. That’s all. Many times an Athletic Directors fate is tied to his last hire.

"Anytime, Anyplace"
"Life is hard, it's harder if you're stupid." - John Wayne

by Husky nav on Nov 11, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great Article Nuss

For better or for worse, it comes down to this:
1) Firing Wulff this season costs money and will lose recruits
2) What magical savior coach is going to take over the currently worst program in the Pac 10?

I think we mostly agree on Wulff’s capabilities as coach, or at least those that he’s shown so far. He can recruit but his game strategy is suspect. I hadn’t thought of the coordinators angle but it sounds logical. Not that we can really afford to fire and hire coordinators either, but at least it’s potentially doable in a pinch. I wonder if Sterk is half-tempted to call up Walden and offer him the OC job.

by johnnycougar on Nov 11, 2009 12:00 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nuss, again, compliements to you

… I didnt’t see this post coming and I have to give you credit for your continued integrity. good debate.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.

by Gekko Mojo on Nov 11, 2009 2:34 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I have to imagine that your comments in recent posts had a little to do with why Nuss decided to write this...

After all. You were ‘calling out the blog’ for not having enough discussion over Wulff’s job security.

Am I right, Nuss?

by cfred on Nov 11, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Part of it

But not all of it. There have been comments in other places, too.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 11, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

I think that you brought up some really good points. I believe that we should still give Wulff a chance seeing how Doba didn’t really leave us with much. To bad we can’t get a new head coach and demote him to recruiter though.

by balogan on Nov 11, 2009 4:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I began having reservations about Wulff before the first game

Let me begin by saying great job an the article.

Like I said, I began having reservations about Wulff before the first game from the way he kept on making somewhat snide and veiled comments about the team and previous staff before last season even started. But, it was just something that I said “Oh well,” at the time.

I am not in the boat to say get rid of Wulff yet, but in his short tenure, there are things that make me cringe.

First, you can’t deny the on field product under Wulff has been atrocious. I don’t remember anyone predicting the severity of last season before the start of last season, especially since WSU had a lot of returning starters on last years team.

Next, the Eastern Washington sanctions bothered me and the way he handled it bothered me even more. The way he didn’t accept responsibility and threw Eastern, Coach Zornes and Coach Kramer under the bus I though was bush league.

This year at the games, I have talked to several players left over from the Doba era and they all tell the same story. Wulff treats them like hated step children (my words, not theirs). I have heard story’s from players that Wulff has never once talked to them in a year and a half. I heard a story about a player walking up to Wulff on the field to talk to him and Wulff looking at him and walking away without letting the player say anything.

 Now, fairly shortly there won’t be any Doba players left, so the hated step child syndrome will be over. But, when I heard stories like that from multiple players at several games, it bothered me.

I have a friend that is a significant donor. He was at a alumni donation dinner that the school has so donors can meet and greet the coaches and hopefully donate a lot of money. My friend sat across the table from Wulff and three other coaches. Neither Wulff, nor the other coaches even acknowledged that he and his girlfriend even existed. Here the point of the dinner was for Wulf to talk to donors and all he did the entire evening was talk to his assistants.

I do not know if I am just jaded now, but it seems to me that he makes excuses or whines about something every week. This week it is that other coaches are trying to poach his recruits. No kidding.

Now the chart that you came up is somewhat skewed (but, I couldn’t think of anything better either) as you wrote, because we don’t know what current underclassmen will make it to the NFL. One thing that I noticed is that during the lean years, WSU seemed to supplement with JC players more than other years.

So, while I am not sure if Wulff should go or not, for me it is just as much the off-the-field stuff as the on-the-field stuff that has me worried about if Wulff is up to the job.

by Coug1990 on Nov 11, 2009 8:12 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

the hated step children thing

is definitely disconcerting. kinda kills the “family” atmosphere we hear so much about

by coug2828 on Nov 11, 2009 8:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But, like I said

He treats his recruits well, so they feel the love. Do you notice that when recruits visit campus, they are always set up with other underclassmen?

by Coug1990 on Nov 11, 2009 8:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"One thing that I noticed is that during the lean years, WSU seemed to supplement with JC players more than other years."

I noticed that, too — especially in 1999 after that little dip in 1998. I really would like to see us do that this year and get some more physically mature players in there who won’t be beat up every week. However, I imagine it’s a lot tougher to sell a guy with only three to play two that he should jump on board this rebuilding project. Much easier to convince a high school kid.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 11, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

However, don't underestimate

that more than anything else, players want to be on the field. They want playing time. Anyone can be sold, you just have to find out what is important to that player.

by Coug1990 on Nov 11, 2009 9:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I pretty much agree 1990

I had reservations when Wulff was hired. I wouldn’t say I thought Wulff was a terrible hire but the hire did not excite me at all. I started to feel much better with how they put together the first class and the early committments from the second class. I didn’t expect to see “blowout Saturday” last year but I mostly chalked it up to where the program was headed under Doba. Still, I did wonder and still wonder whether this staff has the ability to prepare a team. I just want to see something to suggest they understand how to turn it around on the field. I am a bit stumped whether it is just the talent although I guess it is possible.

I hate to say it but the on-field performances and excuses making feels a lot like Paul Graham. Graham never was able to recruit as well as Wulff but performance, excuses, and lack of ability to reach out to WSU people are 3 marks in the “Paul Graham” column. Nobody wants to make a habit of being in that column. For instance, Dick Bennett told things like it is butt it never sounded like he was making excuses and he found a way to not blame things on the worst coach ever in Paul Graham. He also took what he had and was able to get the team to perform better. Maybe a lot of this had to do with his delivery and the confidence that he knew what he was doing.

I know you really can’t compare football to basketball. Football is so much more complicated to rebuild when the program is in shambles. I also know Bennett had a lot more experience and Wulff has a learning curve.

Anyway, I basically agree with your feelings. There are some red flags to consider whether Wulff is a good fit at WSU for sure. I’m in the keep him for another year as long as he can keep the recruiting class together.

by BornCoug on Nov 11, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

jim sterk

if he is not now—- i would hope that jim has a more “hands-on” focus on the football program… so we do not go thru another bill doba meltdown – and need be -move faster right the ship.

by willarose on Nov 11, 2009 8:20 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

can we add

complaining to the media about the other pac10 coaches trying to poach our recruits to the negatives list? just comes off as sour grapes to me. and while i agree that it sucks other coaches are doing that…it’s not the sort of thing you complain about in the media. it’s the nature of the beast. also, i’d love to hear an honest opinion on Wulff from a Tedford or Riley(unfortunately all we ever get from opposing coaches is the p/c stuff that they have to say after mopping the floor with us)

that said, we obviously can’t fire him now, that would just set us back further. however, along with getting some W’s on the board next year, the games that we lose cannot be 40+ point blowouts for him to stick after 3 seasons.

by coug2828 on Nov 11, 2009 8:22 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

agree

 I agree – complaining in the media comes off as “whining” … making excuses – if there is a problem go to the pac-10… or the respective coaches. If one of the coaches was mike r (osu)- i can another “shot” at the end zone during osu game if we are geting blownout – as osu did last year.

by willarose on Nov 11, 2009 8:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm confused.
i can another "shot" at the end zone during osu game if we are geting blownout

What is your post even saying? It’s all a jumbled mess.

by cfred on Nov 11, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good post

Maybe the title should have been “Could” instead of “Should”. I think he should be fired, but don’t think we can fire him-like the article did a good job of pointing out. So by default we are stuck with him until next year. I would like to see a poll with “What does it take for Wulff to keep his job next year”:

A. No Pac-10 wins but within an average of 7 points per (which you could argue would be a HUGE improvement)
B. 1 Pac-10 win
C. 2 Pac-10 wins
D. 4 wins overall
E. Wins the Apple Cup

by donkeyjon12 on Nov 11, 2009 8:35 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: "whining about poaching"

He was asked a specific question and gave his specific thoughts. I didn’t take it as whining, so much as venting. He’s never had much of a verbal filter, from what I can tell, and I’m guessing without giving much thought to the question, he just told it like he saw it.

I think folks who already have a negative view of Wulff have that view reinforced with everything he does. The kids don’t quit? They start off quitting. He’s a good recruiter? He’s whining about poaching. No NFL talent on the roster? He should coach them up. The guy can do no right. No matter what the situation is, no matter how little control Wulff’s had over it, it’s all on him.

This is what I was talking about with the “poisoned well” comment.

by TiltingRight on Nov 11, 2009 9:40 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Wulff needs to work on some things

Yes, he was asked a question and he has every right to give an answer. He just needs to package things differently. Do you think the other Pac 10 coaches give a flip what he thinks about them talking to his recruits? It comes off poorly.

I totally agree that anyone with a negative view of Wulff is going to see everything he says as a reason he is the wrong guy. Still, he has to think before he speaks. What was the upside to any of his comments?

by BornCoug on Nov 11, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Must have the day off. Excellent stuff as always Nuss man!

Let’s all remember that our assistants are either on 1 or 2-yr contracts, which means that they will be up at the end of this year for renewal. I agree with the economics although as an attorney who draws up employment contracts, WSU can spread the cost of PW’s termination if they elected to. Plus, if donations are decreasing and tix sales are falling plus less tv exposure, that also needs to be taken in consideration. If you are losing $1 million in revenue a year because of the team’s poor on the field performance, and you believe a hiring change would result a dramatic swing in revenue (and good hirings often do, look no further than UW and the interest generated by hiring IMO a no-name coach from an excellent school), then a change may come sooner than we all expect.
But in all reality, Sturdy will find a job elsewhere or be demoted and WSU will have a new offensive coordinator who may be PW himself. Remember PW doesn’t call the plays right now. After we win less than 3 games next yr and continue to be blown out in the rest, Wulff will be gone and we will be wondering what to do next.
BTW: Nuss are you handing out fines for anyone mentioning Paul Graham on this website?!! What about Kevin Eastman?

by ptowncoug3012 on Nov 11, 2009 11:36 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good points

I was going to make a similar point in my post above, but it was already getting too long. I am leaning toward the keep Wulff for now side. But, if this team gets blown out along with many brews at the Apple Cup, I might feel different.

by Coug1990 on Nov 11, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"are you handing out fines for anyone mentioning Paul Graham on this website?!! What about Kevin Eastman?"

Nah — only because we’ve drug ourselves out of that mess. That’s why it’s hard for me to be too mad at Tony (once I got past my initial anger).

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 11, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Will you (or any Cougar fan) root for Virgina

Or will you be ambivalent?

Or will you be openly happy if he loses?

Or will you be outwardly ambivalent, but secretly smile every time Virginia loses?

by Coug1990 on Nov 11, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

openly happy

heck I was rooting against UV football this year

Vote for Butch!

by spencer peaty on Nov 11, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What is the saying?

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it?

Those were dark years we never want to repeat in any sport. Also, whoever said “it can’t get worse” never met Paul Graham.

Just sayin’. We have had to endure a lot as Cougar fans. I hope we are headed in the right direction in football.

by BornCoug on Nov 11, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nWo.

First off, I really want Wulff to succeed if for no other reason than wearing a WCW Championship belt with a red nWo spray painted on it and with signs that say Wulff Pack. C’mon, that almost writes itself. Anybody? sigh.

Anyways. Like most people, I didn’t hate the Wulff hiring, but wasn’t exactly texting all of my buddies overjoyed, either. The thing people who want to get rid of Wulff always forget is that not only do we not have the money to fire him and pay someone else (great article, btw Nuss) but it takes a certain kind of coach to want to come to the Palouse.

You know it, I know it. We can’t “prove” this fact, but anyone who has spent any amount of time in Pullman knows that it’s not for everyone, coaches included. And if the coach doesn’t enjoy it there, how can he sell it to potential recruits?

A friend of mine was telling me that we should have gone after Sark instead of Wulff. Sure, if we had a bunch of money, and you know, he actually wanted to come here. We’re not Florida, we’re not USC, hell, we’re not even UW. So while I understand frustration, we don’t operate in a vacuum; we need to take outside factors into account. To say they don’t matter is just being irrational about it.

Limited fiscally, a remote college campus, an unproven coaching staff. So what are you going to do if you fire him? Be even more limited fiscally, still a remote college campus, and (depending on who you hire) either a bit more experienced ($$$) or still not experienced (still, $$$).

It’s like the people that were saying Holmgren should have been fired. Who are we going to hire (within our budget) that would be better? You don’t fire someone unless you’re sure you can hire a replacement that is better. Otherwise, you’d be taking another giant step backwards. So we can argue about whether or not Wulff was the right choice to begin with (and I’m not really sure what the answer to that is) but the fact of the matter is he is our coach, and love him or hate him, we should still support him.

I just wish everyone were more patient. Not everyone is Urban Meyer or Nick Saban and can turn a program around overnight. Patience is a virtue, my Coug brothers and sisters.

Also, I’d still like to walk around with a WCW Championship belt with red spray paint on it. I think if you look up “Awesome” in the dictionary, there’s a picture of me wearing that belt.

Cougs, baby.

by playerkyle14 on Nov 11, 2009 12:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think alot of people have been patient. I have refrained from throwing PW under the

bus although he should be. I still will never forget the SC game. He should have called in a forfeit. He had no intention of even playing that game and that is the day I lost all belief in him as the right guy for the job.
Nevertheless, I don’t think anyone is asking for anything out of reach. 3 wins next yr and competitive football in the other games. If that is to high of a bar, we are all in serious trouble and PW should be fired right now.
I am not targeting you kyle, but if you ask for patience there has to be a showing on PW’s part as to ability. Let’s remember the 98-00 stretch. Someone pted out that if Price hadn’t gone 4-7 in 2000 with 3 of the losses in OT, he probably wouldn’t have been the architect for our 3 10 win seasons that occurred thereafter. I was patient in 98 and 99 because although there were some blowouts, we were more often than not a competitive team. And let’s all remember how bare that cupboard was after the Rose Bowl. I think we graduated something like 16 senior starters, including Leaf. Are you kidding me! Sure Nuss can now look back to pt to the NFL players we had on the 98 and 99 teams, but those were MP’s recruits and he started from the bottom getting the team back up to the top.

by ptowncoug3012 on Nov 11, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's the reason why I put their classes next to their names

You could see talent coming down the pike for that run of 10-win seasons.

I’m not a big fan of the patience argument either, but I think patience is really the only option in our situation.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 11, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So are you saying the Price was able to extract more from his

young guys than PW is able to do? Because I think that is exactly the case. I agree that there is talent. I love Tuel, Winston, Spitz and Long. Great foundation type guys, but you have to have a coach that maximizes their talents and to date I don’t think that has been done a bit.
Again, I am still trying to figure out what we want to be offensively and even defensively for that matter.

by ptowncoug3012 on Nov 11, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's actually not what I'm saying at all.

When you look at the lean years of 1998-2000, there were young guys who would eventually develop into those upperclassmen that were the foundation of the 10-win seasons.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 11, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I was trying to convey.

We need to see at least some improvement. I’m not saying just be patient for the sake of being patient, or be patient because I’m 100% sure he’ll be the right guy for the job. I’m just saying be patient because in all likelyhood, he’ll be the coach for the remainder of his contract. If we had a middle-of-the-road bankroll to play with, then the story would be different. But considering we have by far the lowest, well, then I think being patient is about the only thing we can do at this point.

by playerkyle14 on Nov 11, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What happened to the FireWulff guy?

There was a someone who went by FireWulff that was all over these messages boards last week after the Notre Dame game. I can’t believe he hasn’t comment on this thread. Where did he go? Or did someone make a new post name last week to create controversy and get everyone fired up last week? He created his account the day he started posting and then got everyone fired up and now he is gone. Hmmmm. Fess up.

by SoCalCoug on Nov 11, 2009 12:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

Whoever it was just wanted to stir the pot and didn’t really back up his/her points that well. Now he/she has vanished like a fart in the wind with no explanation. Nice.

by SoCalCoug on Nov 11, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I actually brought up that I didn’t believe him and I found it interesting that he created his account the day he comes and blasts every post and poster and says firing Wulff is the only thing that’s logical and we suck blah blah blah. I’m glad he’s gone. Those types of phony posters bring the whole site down a notch.

by playerkyle14 on Nov 11, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent writeup, but the phrase is "to wit:"

Not “to whit:”

Not trying to be a nitpicky asshole, I swear!

by evanr on Nov 11, 2009 1:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You're not nitpicking...

you’re just twitting…

by cfred on Nov 11, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent analysis Nuss. I agree that it’s (at least for now) a moot point, as I see little reason to think that Wulff won’t get at least next year to prove himself.

One thing I wondered about was the Robb Akey factor, i.e. whether the success Akey is having this year might prompt WSU to make some backroom inquiries and possibly go after him given that Akey’s stock is climbing quickly and WSU might have a limited window to try to poach him.

But then I read that his buyout for leaving Idaho before January 2nd of 2010 is $750K, and that figure added on top of the salary needed to lure him plus buying out Wulff and, well, I just don’t see that happening.

I would imagine if Akey does end up taking a job elsewhere and succeeds and the Cougs miss out on him, there’s going to be a lot of angst about the one that got away.

by kirkd on Nov 11, 2009 4:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I was just discussing the role Idaho’s recent success might have over in the WSU camp. I thought Wulff was a questionable hire from the start and think that after one more year the Cougs should find someone new. Who? I don’t know, but by that time I think Idaho will actually be a hard program to pull Akey away from, even with a PAC 10 job offer from WSU.

by ArbyOSU on Nov 12, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Akey would have a hard time saying “no” to an offer from a BCS conference school. He’d get a significant raise and he’d be able to compete for much higher stakes than what he can realistically achieve at Idaho.

Given his past ties to WSU as DC for several years, I think it woudn’t be a real tough sell to come back to WSU. I’m sure he’d feel bad about leaving behind the program he’s building at Idaho, but let’s face it – that’s not a place a coach with any kind of ambition stays at if he has success.

Akey could be a real good fit at WSU, but the question will be whether the timing works out. Wulff isn’t going to be fired this year unless some booster steps up (and really, that money would be better spent towards the Martin Stadium upgrade), and it’s likely Akey’s name is going to be floated around various job openings once the firings start next month.

by kirkd on Nov 12, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

None of the players have improved???

The point was made that the talent that we have has not improved. In fact it was said that you couldn’t find anyone on the field and say wow that player has gotten a lot better. I find this amazing, have you not watched Jared Karstetter this year? He is 50 times better than last year. Also Jeffrey Solomon is a much more of an impact. Personally I think you can see a lot of improvement from guys like Travis Long, Toby Turpin, and Dan Spitz just from the beginning of this season. Shoot even Kevin Lopina was performing much better than his 10 INT O TD performance of 2008. If you don’t think the players have improved then you haven’t been watching. Also players don’t always make huge jumps from freshman to sophomore year in performance it usually takes until junior or senior year to really see the growth.

by brinkislikevickheabusesdawgs on Nov 11, 2009 4:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'll give you Karstetter

But not sure how much I buy that the other guys you point out have made improvements so dramatic that you’d have to credit the coaching staff. That’s the only point I was trying to make.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 11, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Karstetter as well

The only problem with him being a positive for Wulff is that his position coach is a holdover from Doba’s staff and Wulff had to be lobbied for the coach to stay on staff.

by Coug1990 on Nov 11, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Unequivocally NO

You guys are in a very bad place right now. As a 25+ year Cal fan, I know about that. So pay attention.

No. Wulff should not start feeling the heat. Yet. Give him another year before the pressure starts to build. If he hasn’t shown that he can get improved play/results after that, then you can gripe all you want.

In general, it takes a bit of time to establish a culture at a program. The way Doba left you guys barren and hopeless, anyone coming in would be overmatched. Wulff now has two years to have recruited and ingrained his philosophy, and if there is an fruit to bear it will come next year.

It’s hard, I know. But don’t become those bruinsnation guys yet. Give your coach a chance to show what he has before you turn on him.

On ATQ I'm known as JSoCal Oski

It's spelled J-etc

by SoCal Oski on Nov 11, 2009 5:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Cal fans have good insight

Yet another reason to appreciate California Golden Blog.

But I digress. Culture takes awhile, and while other people here have mentioned Wulff’s treatment of holdover players, can we say that they haven’t been resistant to him as well. Not to say a coach should ever treat his players poorly, I truly don’t believe they should. But Wulff is young and inexperienced, and it could be a mistake of youth. Wulff should have reached out to the holdovers, but I am not sold that they were willing to buy into working harder and changing their ways either.

by 02Coug on Nov 11, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If Wulff gets the Cougs to a Bowl Game

One thing about it, if Paul Wulff does ever get the Cougs to a bowl game as coach, he probably would even be around to coach the game himself, because some other school looking to rebuild would offer him big money and sign him on the spot.
He should get at least four of his five contract years in my opinion, which means his seat would start to get hot by the end of next year. At that time they need to set an ultimatum of at least 5 total wins and 3 PAC 10 wins for him to see a fifth year. I just don’t see how you can fire him until he has at least seen one recruiting cycle.

by ISAAC COUG on Nov 11, 2009 9:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think it depends on how bad next year is

If we go through another year like this, it doesn’t really matter whose fault it is — something has to change. See TiltingRight’s “poisoned well” comment above.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 12, 2009 6:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wulff Is Not to Blame

I can’t blame Paul Wulff because he was dealt an untenable hand from Yabba Dobba Doba from the get go.

To wit (and lest we forget), Doba was recruiting players who had never even suited up in JuCo Football saying it was “all a big mistake that they were not given the opportunity to play” and handed the program over to Wulff with the loss of eight schlorships because so many of the ‘characters’ ended up having to be flushed out.

So…….I say that Paul Wulff has done an admirable job under the circumstances and has one more year to show results on the field. After that timeline, it is his Program/Players and unless things turn around to being competitive, I too will call for his head.

However, I support his decisions up to this point in trying to build the Program correctly by bringing in freshmen players who can redshirt or, if good enough, play immediately and contribute vs. JuCo Transfers who, if you’re lucky, might give you one year of quality play and be gone.

Look at Akey and Idaho, same scenario from Erickson’s mess and yet three years later he has them winning and in a Bowl Game. Time will tell, but I do not think changing coaches at this juncture is the issue.

I do think that until we Cougars ante up and finish the Phase III upgrades to Martin Stadium, we are way behind the power curve in the PAC-10 and may never recover.

So……..in your heart of hearts (which pump Crimson of course) ask yourselves what have you done today to beat the Dawgs, dig deep, and send those contributions to Ol’ Wazzu so we can level the playing field, eh?

Go Cougs!

by CanyonCoug on Nov 12, 2009 8:25 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Wulff, Doba, Sterk, etc., are just as responsible as anyone

Come Canyon. Do you think you like to exaggerate a just a little? ONE, count them “ONE” JC player fits the bill of not having suited up in a JC game; Devon Giles. Devon Giles was recruited by some big name SEC schools out of high school before he didn’t have the grades and went the JC route. His first year he decided to run track and was a 100 meter champion. The next year he transferred to another JC and redshirted.

Devin Giles actually played better as the season went along his lone year as a WSU starter before he got in the Wulff doghouse the next year. Devon Giles was not a problem.

Canyon, come up with a better argument than that.

by Coug1990 on Nov 12, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I am a Wulff supporter and backer

I am not going to rehash the same old things that have been beat to death. I simply want it to be known where I stand on Wulff. That is right behind him. I may be wrong about thinking he is the right guy to build and sustain this program (I dont think I am), but when (yes I did say when) he gets it turned around, I will appreciate it that much more having kept the faith in him. In year 4 and 5 I will be more than happy to make room for you on the bandwagon, but please, I dont want to hear you telling stories about how you knew Wulff could do it and that you knew he was the right guy. There are very few of us who really believe that. Just say you are happy it happened and enjoy.

by diehardcoug on Nov 12, 2009 12:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well...

I’m not sure any of us “know” for sure. I admire you for backing him 100%, but you don’t know that it will turn out well. If it does, great. We’ll all be happy and you’ll get to say ‘I told you so’ every chance you get. If he doesn’t, though, are you going to talk about how you backed him and were wrong? Probably not.

So while I appreciate the post and your support for Wulff, the whole ‘holier-than-thou’ attitude isn’t very Cougar like. We Cougs take pride in sticking together, and talking down to people for having an opinion for seemingly valid reasons isn’t the way to go about conveying your support of Wulff.

Let it be known that ‘diehardcoug’ called it that Wulff would turn the program around. Also let it be known that Kyle had no clue if it would work out, so when it does/doesn’t, you can’t say I told you so to him.

Cougs, baby?

by playerkyle14 on Nov 12, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well....

It wasn’t meant to come off as “holier-than-thou”, sorry if you took it that way. Also, I am not one to use the whole “told you so”. I will gladly stand here and say in X years that I backed Wulff. Zero problem with that. If it all goes down in flames, I would have no problem saying, yep, I backed the wrong guy.

It is hard to understand your comment on the Cougs take pride in sticking together comment. Is Wulff not a Coug? Should we not stick with him and support him? Seems pretty selective on sticking together. I think everyone would do a better job knowing they had backing behind them. Maybe I have a different perspective of sticking together. My $.02.

by diehardcoug on Nov 12, 2009 1:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

seasons not saturdays

It took three seasons of really poor recruiting classes w/ far too much emphasis on higher rated juco’s and smallish frosh to bring down WSU from it’s peak of three 10 win seasons. Wulff simply must have the time to get “his” recruits into the junior and senior seasons in order for there to be any way to accurately judge his coaching. It takes seasons to rebuilt not a handful of Saturdays. Three frosh are seeing extensive play in the d-line- perhaps the position most requiring raw power. Spitz, Laurenzi and Long are just the beginning of a good solid core of recruits who will turn this around. You simply cannot coach a frosh 255 lb. left tackle how to stop a junior 275 lbs DE who runs a 4.6 forty. This is no fun for any of us, but it has to be done right. As the scholie limits ease off the chance to take a flyer on some juco bulk increases… 8 less recuits over 3 years was painful Cougs… that is one less kid at every slot. Seasons not Saturdays… patience Cougs!

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