OPEN GAME THREAD: UCLA at WSU
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 14, 2009 1:45 PM PST
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PrintUCLA Bruins at Washington St. Cougars, Nov 14, 2009 2:00 PM PST
"I don't like that place. It is the worst trip. There is nothing there. It is 1 ½ hours from the airport. It's cold and even the hotel is bad. Everything is rough out there, man. You have to be a strong person to go there. Hopefully we'll go there, get the victory and run home as fast as we can."
-- UCLA senior linebacker Reggie Carter
Game coverage from around SBN: Here
Time: 2 p.m. PST
The place: Martin Stadium (Pullman, Wash.)
TV: Fox College Sports (live), FSN Northwest (delayed, 7:30 p.m. PST).
Radio: Find your local station here. You can also listen to it via streaming for a fee at wsucougars.com.
The line: UCLA minus-17.5 (Fun fact! The Cougs have covered in five of their past six games.)
When the Cougs have the ball ...
| WSU | UCLA |
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| Pos. | Name (# = Redshirt) | Pos. | Name (** = Redshirt) |
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| X | Jeffrey Solomon (6-0, 195, #Jr.) | DE | Datone Jones (6-4, 267, So.) | |
| F | Gino Simone (5-11, 174, Fr.) | DT |
Brian Price (6-2, 300, Jr.) | |
| LT | Steven Ayers (6-4, 311, #So.) | DT |
Jess Ward (6-4, 296, Sr.**) | |
| LG | Zack Williams (6-4, 293, #Jr.) | DE |
Korey Bosworth (6-1, 242, Sr.**) | |
| C | Kenny Alfred (6-2, 300, #Sr.) | SLB | Akeem Ayers (6-4, 252, So.**) | |
| RG | B.J. Guerra (6-3, 318, #So.) | MLB | Reggie Carter (6-1, 240, Sr.**) | |
| RT | Micah Hannam (6-4, 284, #Jr.) | WLB | Kyle Bosworth (6-1, 234, Sr.**) | |
| TE | Skylar Stormo (6-5, 245, #Fr.) | CB | Sheldon Price (6-2, 163, Fr.) | |
| Z | Jared Karstetter (6-4, 203, So.) | SS |
Tony Dye (5-11, 199, So.) | |
| QB | Marshall Lobbestael (6-3, 214, #So.) | FS |
Rahim Moore (6-1, 197, So.) | |
| RB | Dwight Tardy (5-11, 204, #Sr.) | CB | Alterraun Verner (5-11, 180, Sr.) |
When UCLA has the ball ...
| UCLA | WSU | |||
| Pos. | Name (** = Redshirt) |
Pos. | Name (# = Redshirt) | |
| SE |
Taylor Embree (6-3, 205, So.) | LE | Casey Hamlett (6-3, 250, Jr.) |
|
| TE | Logan Paulsen (6-6, 264, Sr.**) | DT | Bernard Wolfgramm (6-3, 291, #Jr.) | |
| LT | Xavier Su’a-Filo (6-4, 310, Fr.) | DT | Toby Turpin (6-5, 284, #Jr.) | |
| LG |
Jeff Baca (6-4, 306, So.) | RE | Travis Long (6-4, 247, Fr.) | |
| C | Kai Maiava (6-1, 309, So.**) | SAM | Andy Mattingly (6-4, 255, Sr.) | |
| RG |
Ryan Taylor (6-3, 295, Jr.**) | MIKE | Alex Hoffman-Ellis (6-1, 233, #So.) | |
| RT | Mike Harris (6-5, 326, So.**) | WILL | Jason Stripling (5-11, 225, #Sr.) | |
| QB |
Kevin Prince (6-2, 219, Fr.**) | LCB | Brandon Jones (5-9, 178, #Jr.) | |
| FB |
Chane Moline (6-1, 247, Sr.) | SS | Xavier Hicks, Jr. (6-0, 211, #Sr.) | |
| HB | Derrick Coleman (6-0, 235, So.) | FS | Chima Nwachukwu (5-11, 198, Jr.) | |
| FL |
Terrence Austin (5-11, 172, Sr.) |
RCB | Terrance Hayward (6-1, 186, #Fr.) |
Special Teams ...
| WSU | UCLA | |||
| Pos. | Name (# = Redshirt) | Pos. | Name (* = Redshirt) |
|
| K | Nico Grasu (6-0, 221, Jr.) | K | Kai Forbath (6-0, 192, Jr.**) | |
| P | Reid Forrest (6-2, 193, #Jr.) | P |
Jeff Locke (6-1, 204, Fr.**) |
Keys to the Game Competing
1. Get serviceable line play. This will likely determine if there's any kind of a chance of upsetting the Bruins today. On offense, how we contend with Price will go miles toward determining whether we're able to do anything at all with the ball in our hands. Alfred obviously won't be able to handle him by himself -- nobody has -- so it'll be up to the line to work together to try and keep him out of the backfield as much as possible. If there's one thing we know about Lobbestael's inconsistency, it's that he's a heck of a lot better when he's not thinking about who's around his feet.
Defensively, there's a good chance this is the worst the offensive line we've faced in some time. They're about as young as we are, so there remains the possibility that we can do some things up front. Of course, "doing some things" is relative, but ... well ... you know. If they can at least occupy some blockers up front, I like the chances of our linebackers to make some plays.
2. Be physical. When a team comes from sunny California to sub-freezing Pullman, the absolute best thing you can do is hit them. Repeatedly. Nobody likes to get hit when it's cold, but it's a lot better when you're the one doing the hitting. If we can make the Bruins hate Pullman even more than they already do after feeling the sting of a cold hit, an upset could be in the making.
2. Dig into the bag of tricks. In our discussion about the coaching staff this week, we noted what has appeared to be a lack of creativity. This is a week when the coaches should be pulling out all the stops. Halfback pass? Reverse? WR pass? Fly sweeps? Let's see what's in there, because the longer we hang around in this one, the greater the chance the Bruins fold in the cold.
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it is blowout time
I mean game time
by Grady Clapp on Nov 14, 2009 2:08 PM PST via mobile reply actions
ESPN
Its so annoying how far behind their game trackers are.
Blame Players?
I thought it was Doba’s fault because of his recruiting in 07?
by ReidForrest4Heisman on Nov 14, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
It's both..
The INT’s was by a Doba recruit.
Yuck
The UCLA was sooooo wide open for the td.
Hicks bit on the play action
Justin was covering air again. Touchdown Bruins.
Can we keep them under 21 in the first quarter?
horrible start
No glenn johnson today either. Booooo
by Grady Clapp on Nov 14, 2009 2:16 PM PST via mobile reply actions
No Respect
How are we only #8 on the ESPN Bottom 10? I have no doubt anybody else on that list would be up 21-0 on us at the end of the first quarter.
/facepalm
Rooting for lovable losers since 1984.
Hey, a stop
in the first quarter? Never thought I would see that again.
Stop?
This word is foreign to me… Please elaborate
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by seattlecougar on Nov 14, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
This is the level of recruits we should expect from Wulff...
Lobster being his prized possesion
by ReidForrest4Heisman on Nov 14, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
Who has ever said Lobster was a prized possession?
Who checks your facts, Sean Hannity?
You are dumb
Lobbestael is a Doba recruit. You’re seriously starting to get on my nerves. Either bring something intelligent to the table, or go away.
You have got to be kidding me.
Is Lopina still on the roster?
This is purely speculative...
But I kinda get the idea that Wulff lost Lopina when he made Lobbestael starter. Lets face it, the only thing that Marshall had going for him that Lopina did not is that he is only a sophomore. He certainly hasn’t shown us anything that Kevin hasn’t. If I were Kevin, and I had paid my dues, and fought off a broken back (!!!) for this team, being benched like that would certainly sour my outlook.
Legion of Coug
CougCenter WSU's second main blog
by Craig Powers on Nov 14, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
Considering their backs have been against the wall
Defense is holding decently (for us). I’m not listening or watching, just tracking really bad game trackers, so I really don’t know.
they're manhandling us on the line
it took them a couple drives to figure that out.
ESPN seems to be lagging for me
And the FoxSports one wasn’t any better. I’ve been using CBSSports since the 2nd pick and it seems to have the best feed right now
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by seattlecougar on Nov 14, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
The thing with Lobbestael is
he’ll give you something good at some point. You’ve just got to be able to hang in long enough to get to that point where he goes on an 8-of-10 run.
Seriously
would it really hurt to let Lopina take some snaps? his career’s almost over, let him play
I thought Grippi said
he was healthy just not traveling any longer. He’s in the doghouse but this is game we could compete in with anything at qb. Lobbestahl has thrown this game away.
I knew better.
I knew better, I knew better, I knew better. Why did I think we would keep this one close. All I did was make it harder on myself to listen to.
last td is on wulff
Subs came on field late… should’ve called t.o.
by Grady Clapp on Nov 14, 2009 2:39 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Lobbestahl doesn't even know the play he called
Did he turn the wrong way or was Winston lined up wrong?
I just turned the channel to see the OSU-UW score
It is now OSU 41, uw 7
this is all we have
the UW getting ripped. I hate this!
Yeah, that's true
But, WSU plays them next week. That is scary
Boo.
Why cloud our optimism with facts?
by J.J. FeKl on Nov 14, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry
I’ll keep that stuff to myself next time.
If we aren't competitive in this game.
It’s REALLY going to sour my outlook on our coaching staff. Coming into this season, I saw this game along UH, SMU, and UW as being our ‘winnable’ games. So far, we were non-competitive with UH, needed two pick-6 s and OT to beat SMU at home, and who knows how the apple cup will go. This was the game I had marked on my schedule as being a barometer game.
The Lobbestahl factor
3 picks on the first 5 passes? How do we factore that into the equation? I understand how you feel but I don’t know how you put that all on the staff.
Yup
Although, I’m sure someone will say that it’s the coaching staff’s fault for not having him prepared.
I have never seen anything like this
Every week it is another disaster. Now they know they can’t allow Lobbestahl to throw. Even if they had a good game plan it is out the door.
I would agree...
but what is the coaching staff supposed to do in this game? I guess I can’t . I am really tired of getting blown out game after game, but how’s Wulff supposed to “coach up” somebody like Lobes, who apparently can’t tell which team is which? I guess he could yell at him to not throw picks, but unfortunately, it seems like Marshall just isn’t a good QB…or even an average QB.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a wulff basher per se.
I just have a hard time convincing myself that our issues are purely talent. I’m not denying we are deficient at virtually every position (except punter!) but are we THAT less talented than the #9 PacX team? Are we That less talented than middle of the road WAC and CUSA (i think) teams?
I don't know that we're that less talented...
but when your starting QB throws 3 picks in the first quarter you are going to have a real problem keeping the game close. So for this game, at least, I’m not sure what the coaching staff is supposed to do. Marshall just looks like he has no clue out there…ufortunately, Lopina is probably more of the same.
Ehh, I've no desire to turn this into Brink/Swogger pt 2.
For better (haha) or worse, things are what they are.
The defense finally gets to start on UCLA side
Less than 3 minutes in the first quarter. Amazing.
Special teams
WSU can barely do that right. As Forzani is fair catching a punt, Houston runs into him and almost fumbles the ball.
It should be 0-0
I don’t think UCLA can score a lot of points even against our defense on long drives. We spotted them 7 on that first pick.
This is just brutal.
On the plus side
UCLA: 8 rushes, 25 yards. Barely a 3 ypc average. Defense is making me happy right now… If we can force them to throw, the secondary has a chance to make some things happen.
Rooting for lovable losers since 1984.
What
there’s a bright side? That is something to build on. Now we need to hope they don’t get worn out before the half is over.
I was in a car crash and broke my leg
On the bright side, it knocked a quarter loose that had been stuck under the seat
Rooting for lovable losers since 1984.
by seattlecougar on Nov 14, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
You don't know the half of it
I’d been trying to get that damn quarter out for weeks
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by seattlecougar on Nov 14, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
trainwreck
It’s like wulff wants me to want him get fired
by Grady Clapp on Nov 14, 2009 2:50 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Didn't Solomon play QB in high school?
Put him in
oops
didn’t mean that as a reply. My posting is as bad as our offense.
yup, after Prince goes Reggie Bush on us
I might have to think again
Lobby is not this bad, but he is shell shocked
He can’t do anything correct right now.
Lobby's QB rating so far:
-58.26
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Oh my gawd
The UCLA just ran for a 68 yard TD run. Terrible defense. It was all bad defense.
d gave up
they thought beck pushed him out so they stopped. by the time they realized prince didn’t step out, he was gone.
PLAY TO THE $@#&*)@#*$_)@# WHISTLE
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by seattlecougar on Nov 14, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
You never stop until you hear a whistle.
It is just pathetic
Yeah I was really confused when I saw "Kevin Prince 68 yard TD run"
CougCenter WSU's second main blog
by Craig Powers on Nov 14, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Question
Does anybody know of another team in the nation that consistently loses as bad as we do? Obviously, this is year 2 for us now, but does anybody know of a team that loses in their conference by 30+ every game?
30+ after the first half?
We have to be the worst team in the nation. No, I don’t know anyone as bad as we are. Oregon State in the 80’s and early 90’s wasn’t as bad as we are right now.
Northwestern in the early 80s
especially 1981….they were real bad. Got shutout on a bi-weekly basis.
Yes
We are only 117th nationally in scoring margin: -24.4.
Teams that are worse: Western Kentucky, Rice and San Jose State.
To be fair
There are a lot of bad teams that don’t have to play pac-10 teams every week.
You're right....
but I’m talking about in their own conference…
WSU football
Where we’re so bad, we have to look into the history books to find teams to compare ourselves with.
ESPN always lags
I think the feed out of Pullman for all the trackers is worse than usual today tho
Rooting for lovable losers since 1984.
by seattlecougar on Nov 14, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
If your name so easily lends itself
To Lobbestawful, maybe you should consider a hobby other than competitive sports.
Rooting for lovable losers since 1984.
their o-line is creating gigantic holes.
i’m pretty sure i’d have 150 yards today…
There are a lot of empty seats
I am one of them. This is the first year in about eight years that I have intentionally stayed home and not driven over to Pullman. Something tells me that I am not alone.
You're not
The Hawaii game more or less killed any desire I have to make that trek to watch my team not just get drilled, but get outclassed. Very frustrating as a fan.
Nuss and Bigwood
That Hawaii was hard and is symptomatic of the entire season. Every game is over by midway through the first quarter. Like bigwood said, it is hard giving up an entire weekend for this. We usually end up going back outside the stadium and tailgate during halftime. I doubt that we would have gone back in for the second half. There is no use.
The problem isn't that the game is over midway through the first quarter
It’s that it’s over before it starts, and we all know it.
Yes, I stand corrected
I have always happily driven over when I knew WSU had very little chance to win. But, there was always that 1%. You are correct, right now WSU doesn’t even have that.
four of them are ours....
i can’t justify giving up the next two weekends for this garbage.
THANK YOU
Even if he hasn’t thrown a ball in 2 months it can’t be much worse
there were a solid 7 flags thrown on that play
all on them…wow.
Stanford beating USC big
I said after UW beat them they’d lose at least 3 games. I was worried until last week.
Go cardinal?
I think we know now why we were at least close to UWC in score...
This year’s team is a shell of it’s former self. Stanford is taking them apart…especially Gerhart. That SC D is getting pushed around all over the field.
Wow...
and Harbaugh goes for 2 up 48-21….and the SC fans boo like crazy. Jeez, I guess it sucks to have someone shove your nose it in, huh SC?
No joke.
They’re fine with doing it to other teams, but can’t handle it when people do it to you? Jerks.
by Kyle Rancourt on Nov 14, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
Normally..
watching UW lose would cheer me up on a day when the Cougs are losing…but today I am loving the beat down Stanford is giving SC.
Looks like they are going to put up 50…beautiful.
Makes that Oregon beatdown look a little better for the Ducks
People who hate on the Pac-10 this year are stupid. It’s the best conference in college football. Period.
I guess
Although I never know if it’s good defense or bad offense in the SEC. Florida’s offense hasn’t been what it once was.
i'd be angry if i were that TE though
prince left the ball out there for him to get smashed.
probably tripled our 1st half yards on that play
then the big burp!
the thing is
a senior shouldn’t be making that mistake….whether he’s playing or not. i know he’s coached to carry the ball with his outside arm.
No question
especially on a cold day. He should have been looking to get out of bounds as well. We are the bad news bears.
New nicknames?
Bad News Cougs
Bye Week
Our Scout against your 1’s
If he was a RB or a WR
I would be with you. But, I am guessing that they don’t teach him much in the way of his running skills.
Is it Basketball season yet?
I know we’re going to lose these football games, but for some reason, I still always have some glimmer of hope. It usually goes away 5 minutes into the game, though.
a true coug learns to focus on the future
What daya think of the new stadum plans
Finally got the internet working.
I have been way more frustrated with the first half than usual because I was battling my wireless connection.
CougCenter WSU's second main blog
If you weren't able to follow the first half
Consider yourself blessed. It has been awful.
I was able to follow.
Mobile phone.
CougCenter WSU's second main blog
by Craig Powers on Nov 14, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
Lobbestael INT, Lobbestael INT, and so on.
CougCenter WSU's second main blog
by Craig Powers on Nov 14, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
fcs atlantic
just caught that it’s actually a replay.
Stanford puts 55 on SC
Most point ever against SC? Really? That’s what they are saying on the broadcast.
Amazing.
SC didn’t think Gerhart could play running back for them. Ooops!
They looked very frustrated out there
They could not stop Stanford.
Nuss, most points home or away according to the broadast team.
Please fire him
Perfect fit for another pac ten team…
by Grady Clapp on Nov 14, 2009 3:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Is it really 55?
ESPN gamecast is way behind. They say 42-21.
CougCenter WSU's second main blog
by Craig Powers on Nov 14, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
Just got here
so how are we doing? Not down by to much.
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
for us, not much
every other team, it would be a lot
neu might have the stones to go for it here....
i’m content with holding for a FG.
Will WSU score this game?
Considering their drives have ended with three interceptions, one fumble, a safety and four punts.
We just have so many weak spots on defense
Jones/Justin at Corner
Hicks at safety and Beck moved to safety
Bland out
Obviously the focus in on the d-line getting consistently blown up but fwiw (I grant you not much) the defense isn’t close to as bad as the offense.
Our QB line today..
might be an all-time worst. Currently at 4-9, 26 yds, 3 INT, 2 Sacks,1 fumble….I mean, you gotta work to be that bad.
stripling's looking pretty good today
but i struggle on whether or not to care, seeing as he’s gone in two games.
I love Tardy!
Plays with passion evev relegated to special teams.
I see that Boise St. beat Idaho 63-25...
it was 42-17 at the half. I thought we were the only team that gives up 40+ in the 1st half. Ugh.
Kellen Moore threw for 300 and 5 TDs.
Hey, we won the 3rd quarter
Break out the Moet!
wow, ucla still has their starters in and throwing deep....
somebody’s insecure…
Think of who their coach is...
Neu ticked off the Oregon fans by doing things like that when he was at Colorado and was playing them.
Not prepared
I don’t care about the talent gap. Every week we’re not prepared to play football. This game shows how far behind we are from the second worst team in the conference. It’s pathetic.
by Jimmy_Mac on Nov 14, 2009 4:58 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I couldn't agree more
Just saw this train wreck first and with a frozen ass, and as much as I wanted to believe the pullman tundra would give us an edge over Rick NewWeasel, we looked timid and lathargic. Our boys (and that’s what they are b/c they’re so young) have already checked out for the season. Look for a little fight in them the first quarter of the apple cup, and then immediately just focus on basket ball. Reggie moore bandwagon here we come!
by HugeBoobs on Nov 14, 2009 5:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
HB, you write that our players are so young
But, go look at the starting lineups above. Overall, UCLA is younger than WSU. They are younger on offense. On defense, UCLA has more seniors, but they have more freshman and sophomores that start than WSU. WSU’s defense is filled with five junior starters.
The problem is our five junior starters are BAD. The best players on our team are young and not ready to play with the big boys. Our only hope is that when these young guys are juniors that they are GOOD juniors. But youth and lack of talent aside – the coaching staff does not get these guys ready to play.
by Jimmy_Mac on Nov 14, 2009 9:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Dear AD,
Fire Paul Wulff.
Best,
Every Coug Fan
Bruins started a Redshirt Freshman?
Can we blame his success on Doba as well?
by ReidForrest4Heisman on Nov 15, 2009 7:45 AM PST reply actions
Last two weeks should be all the evidence we need
This team is digressing under Teen Wulff. Firing Wulff is the only option. He obviously is out of his lame excuses. Let’s move on and fix this debacle.
by ReidForrest4Heisman on Nov 15, 2009 7:47 AM PST reply actions
Agree!
It’s nothing personal against Wulff. He seems like a good guy but this team is not responding. We can make all the excuses in the world for Wulff but the buck has to stop with someone. It’s not like a new coach is going to come in and lead the team to the Rose Bowl but it’s at a point where the culture of losing by 25+ a game is cementing into the programs identity.
I could see maybe giving Wulff one more year if the team was actually playing better but they are not. It’s getting worse and it’s mainly because the players have given up. Don’t blame them. Who the heck wants to suit up and get the tar kicked out of them week in and week out?
Honestly, can you see a scenario where Wulff leads them to a winning season next year? He has won 3 games in 2 years!
why keeping pushing for something that's not going to happen?
wulff is going to get another year. probably two more to fix this. bitching about it isn’t going to bring about change. unless you brought your checkbook.
Bingo
write the check to buy him out, or STFU about it already.
by TiltingRight on Nov 15, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
REGRESSING! IT'S STILL REGRESSING!
At least get the word you’re looking for right when you’re rehashing the same stuff over and over again. Say it with me, regression.
Also, as said above, less talk more check writing if you’re so upset
by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 12:43 AM PST up reply actions
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