OPEN GAME THREAD: EWU @ WSU
Eastern Washington Eagles at Washington St. Cougars, Nov 16, 2009 7:00 PM PST
PROBABLE STARTERS
| WSU (*used redsirt) | Vitals | MVSU | Vitals | |||
| G | Reggie Moore (Fr.) | 6-1/178 | G | Glen Dean (Fr.) |
5-10/170 | |
| G | Klay Thompson (So.) | 6-6/200 | G | Kevin Winford (Fr.) |
5-11/170 | |
| G | Marcus Capers (So.) | 6-4/180 | G | Alden Gibbs (Jr.) |
6-3/185 | |
| F | Abe Lodwick (So.*) | 6-7/200 | F | Matthew Brunell (Sr) |
6-8/230 | |
| F | DeAngelo Casto (So.) | 6-8/231 | F | Brandon Moore (Sr.) |
6-9/240 |
For the last six years under the Bennetts, Cougar fans heard time after time the story of a slow paced team clashing with a running team and how that would impact the flow of the game. Most of the time the Cougars were able to impose their style and limit the number of possessions in the game. This time around, the tables have turned.
Over the last two years under head coach Kirk Earlywine, Eastern Washington has played at a tempo around 65 possessions a game. Their first game this season against the University of Portland saw 63 possessions. Their average last year of 64.8 put them at 241st in the country. They are not a team that is going to try and run the ball up and down the floor.
Ken Bone has been vocal about his desire for the Cougars to get more shots out of a game. He felt the Cougs passed too much in the opener, and that was a game in which Washington State held the ball 73 times. It appears that Kenneth wants the team playing somewhere in the mid-70s.
So we ask the same question again: Which style will prevail?
The answer that Cougar fans have learned is most often true is the slow down team. Why? Because the Cougs could slow down anybody. They even made ultra-fast North Carolina play a game at 66 possessions in the tournament a few years ago. So will Eastern be able to do the same (to a lesser degree) to Washington State?
Probably. Something Eastern has in common with those Bennett teams is a lack of offensive rebounding. Last year, the Eagles ranked 262nd in offensive rebounding percentage. My guess is that they give up the opportunity for the offensive board to stop the other team from running down the floor, which Coug fans are very used to.
So Ken Bone might once again be lamenting a slower-than-usual pace after this one. Of course, he should be expecting it because he faced these guys twice a year during his time at Portland State. If you want some hope that the Cougs will push the tempo anyway, look no farther than Eastern's matchup with UW last season. It was played at 74 possessions (right at UW's average of 73.9). That was EWU second fastest game of the year.
Some players to watch:
Benny Valentine, EWU: Although coming off the bench in the first game of the season, Benny is the team's go-to-guy. He took 32.8% of the shots when he was on the floor last year and it was more the same in the opener as he jacked up 12 shots in only 26 minutes of playing time. He won't be hard to miss, he stands at just 5-7, but is tremendously athletic and reportedly can dunk with two hands pretty easily.
Brandon Moore, EWU: A big body, with the ability to draw fouls and get to the line. Posted a very solid 47.3 Free throw rate last season and was able to draw 5.0 fouls per forty minutes (watch out DeAngelo!). He is also a very good rebounder on both ends of the floor, ranking in the top 200 nationally in defensive and offensive rebounding percentage last season.
Klay Thompson, WSU: What? Of course you put Klay in here Craig! He is our best player! Well, I put him in here specifically because he will tower over the Eagles' guards. It would please me greatly to see him take advantage of this by going to the inside to use his height, drawing fouls and shooting free throws in the process.
Eastern was not a very good team last year (ranked 257 by kenpom). They returned their leading scorers in Brandon Moore and Benny Valentine, but also lost their most effective defensive rebounder. They are young in the backcourt, just like the Cougs. Washington State should cruise in this one, but it will not be as easy as the MVSU game. Brandon Moore will make sure the Cougs are not grabbing 63% of the offensive rebounding opportunities, which was key on a night when Wazzu was finding it difficult to hit a jump shot. If the Cougs are able to rebound well , stay out of foul trouble in the frontcourt, and capitalize on some of that length in the backcourt, then it should be a happy night.
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Breaking uni news
Butch is wearing a gray alt… heck yes
by Grady Clapp on Nov 16, 2009 6:53 PM PST via mobile reply actions
gray alts confirmed
Cougs on front… they are new for sure.
Don’t know how to post pics yet
by Grady Clapp on Nov 16, 2009 6:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
disappointing turnout so far
Can we go back and put the mvsu game on tv?
by Grady Clapp on Nov 16, 2009 6:55 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I MIGHT GET TO WATCH A WINNING WSU GAME
I cannot even begin to describe how much this excites me. I mean really — do you think we could beat EWU in football? It’s at least questionable.
like the colors
don’t like Nike’s System of Dress style.
Resistance if futile
you will be assimilated.
by TiltingRight on Nov 17, 2009 12:58 AM PST up reply actions
i know it's not bennett ball
but i’m not a fan of rushed ill-advised shots….we’ve taken several so far.
Well, that's not necessarily a style thing
Bone wants good shots, too … he just doesn’t mind it coming early in the offense.
i think i stated the obvious :)
no coach likes ill-advised shots.
Thought there would be more people there
Looks like nobody came down from Spokane or they are late getting there
by spokanecougar on Nov 16, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
ugh
Mr. Bean officiating… always fun
by Grady Clapp on Nov 16, 2009 7:12 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Yes, and he also has the whole "go for the block and leave your man wide open" thing down, too
I wish he’d unlearn that one.
if you look at espn's uni-watch blog
the craze this season is VERY simple….and that stupid System of Dress
It would help if he wouldn't take terrible shots
Hard not to make comparisons, but if he were taking shots like this last year …
i think THAT's what i meant earlier...
but Tony lost to South Florida, so what do i know.
tv stream
does anyone have a link to a live TV online stream
klay shooting free throws?
this is all so foreign….
and missing
jeez
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
He looks much better this year
He looks bigger also….now just needs to get some shots to drop
by spokanecougar on Nov 16, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
this is by far the worst we've played all year
Not sure if that is encouraging or discouraging
by Grady Clapp on Nov 16, 2009 7:31 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Moore, Thames, Harthun all in
I wonder how often that happens this year.
in you to pay $5 a month for a premium package of Fox Sports FX
and could have Craigh Elho muted the whole game I would do it for the whole season
Cousin?
Should I know this?
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
mr bean needs to find a new line of work
Hate that ref
by Grady Clapp on Nov 16, 2009 7:40 PM PST via mobile reply actions
WSU is shooting just about as bad as a team can
Yet, they are down only two points. That is both bad and good
Holy crap does Klay have the green light
It’s like night and day from last year. I’ll go ahead and say that Klay will top 30 about five times this year.
He should easily average 20 points a game
by spokanecougar on Nov 16, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know if I'd say easily
20 is a pretty big number in college, and it’ll get tougher once he’s playing guards who aren’t 5-7. But it plausible, and that’s pretty awesome.
I'd be shocked if he doesn't average 20+
Sure, he is playing against below average competition tonight, but to start 0-6 (maybe worse I’m not sure) and still have 10 points at halftime says something.
Wait until he plays the big boys and they make a concerted effort to take the ball out of his hands
Do you realize James Harden “only” scored 20.1 ppg last year?
How many possessions per game
Did ASU average?
60
I think we’ll probably end up around 68. Had Harden played at that pace, he probably would have been around 23 points.
Harden was a better overall player
But Klay is a better scorer, especially on this team, especially if he gets to the line.
Sorry
We’ll have to agree to disagree on that one. Klay is the better shooter. Harden is the superior scorer in every other respect.
You are correct. Let me rephrase
I think Klay has the ability to score more points than Harden given his team dynamic.
So, what have we learned boys and girls?
Don’t complain about the style because the D is still there. They sure can reach back and play it at any time.
All in all, not terrible
If Klay hits half the shots he missed early, this is a double-digit game at half. The defense doesn’t look much different from last year, although defensive rebounding is definitely going to be a challenge. The offense looked pretty out of sync for most of the half. I have a feeling we’re going to go through a lot of hot and cold runs this year, dictated both by streaky shooting and our need for transition baskets.
The fact we're able to say transition baskets is something
I like that we challenge shots in the lane, but I don’t like that we completely sell out to block the shots, leaving the boards open. That can be fixed, though. Also, we’re really looking to jump passes and take them the other way which differs quite a bit from the old keep them in front of you defense. This will lead to more breaks, but may also lead to getting burned on backdoor cuts.
All in all it’s fun to watch. The team, especially Mr. Lodwick, seems to be laying it all out on the court and flying all over the place.
We we're making transition baskets...
we start looking like a real good team. It opens everything else ups and gives the players confidence. When we start cold and can’t get into transition, we struggle, but we do have some defense to keep us in it.
Half thoughts
FT rate saves teams on bad shooting nights… glad to see Bone knows that
Watson!
Glenn Johnson rules. He emphasized FIVE SECONDS before the last posession of the half. Coach and announcer?
Great run to close the half. This team plays better when they play faster. Cannot let EWU get o rebs and control tempo.
by Grady Clapp on Nov 16, 2009 7:56 PM PST via mobile reply actions
halftime plus/minus
Harthun 13
Koprivica 11
Watson 10
Capers 1
Moore 1
Enquist -1
Thames -3
Thompson -7
Casto -9
Lodwick -11
I love it how Bone asks his players if that should be a charge
Too funny. I can’t picture Tony or Dick ever doing that.
"He knows what he can do and not what he can't do"
Good one, Ehlo. Way to put that Gonzaga education to work.
you forgot the period
nuss got it
Vote for Butch!
by spencer peaty on Nov 16, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
in the real world if anyone was as bad at their job as Mr. Elho is
at his they would be fired.
Thats why he works at FSN
he fits in with the rest of the crap
by spokanecougar on Nov 16, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
Says alot about Zags fans
When fans of his own school hate him
by spokanecougar on Nov 16, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
I hate eastern's #42
Only reason this is a six point game
by Grady Clapp on Nov 16, 2009 8:13 PM PST via mobile reply actions
If he does that all year, this is gonna be fun
Klay going to the hole is gonna make him scary to defend
I love Klay's aggression going to the basket
At this rate, he’s going to pass last year’s free throw total by game four.
Watson and Motum for me
Hopefully at least the last 5
Yeah, no Motum yet
Bone seems to really have tightened up his rotation. No Motum, just a little Harthun, just a little Charlie, lots of Moore and Thames.
Yea
we are starting to see who will be getting the minutes now
by spokanecougar on Nov 16, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
Rotation based on EWU squad
Beefy center and lots of smaller guards. Would be tough for Motum and probably Watson, too
Confidence
He has it right now. Glad to see it and hope it continues.
I'm watching on a delay
And reading peoples notes. But yes, good to see Nik making moves and playing like a leader. He looks to be talking and leading huddles as well. I want him to have a good year and make the most of this, for him and what he’s been through.
Are you kidding?
I had no idea how good Reggie Moore actually was until seeing him on TV. The gap to fill McLovin’s old shoes is as big as I thought…
He just looks like a guy who's ready to lead his team
The confidence is easy to see. Pretty obvious difference from last year’s deference.
Looks like he's also got the confidence talk
Go in, take shots, don’t worry about misses. My HS coach would tell his scorers “you are in range when you leave the locker room” and would pull them for not shooting. I think that’s the kind of talk Bone gave Klay.
Wonder who will be calling those games
by spokanecougar on Nov 16, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
OH GOD I JUST GOT CHILLS WHEN YOU SAID THAT!!!!
by spokanecougar on Nov 16, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
The day I heard that news
Kind of made all the Sonics stuff wipe from my memory. One of the happiest days of my life
What announcers do you guys like?
all I hear is complaining…
Vote for Butch!
by spencer peaty on Nov 16, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
That we have a chance of getting for a broadcast!!!!!!!!!
Vote for Butch!
by spencer peaty on Nov 16, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
oh, i wasn't really paying attention
Dickie V baby yeah
by johnnycougar on Nov 16, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
but in all seriousness
I like Bilas a lot
by johnnycougar on Nov 16, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
As much as we love the "rate" talk
It’s just nice to hear “Klay has 18 points” midway through the 2nd half.
They both could learn from Baynes
He was so good at it by his senior year. Of course, it took him three years to be able to do it without getting a foul 25 feet from the basket.
good god
Please don’t ever play miley cyrus at friel again…
by Grady Clapp on Nov 16, 2009 8:43 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Ah ok...
Its windy here in Spokane, but nothing that will cause power outages
by spokanecougar on Nov 16, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
Fun
I was there a few years ago for some huge storm, went to the Seahawks game that night against the 49ers
They lost
by spokanecougar on Nov 16, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, it was crazy
I remember barely getting over the pass cause the snow, and then being soaking wet the second I got out of my car at the stadium because it was raining so hard
by spokanecougar on Nov 16, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
Ugh. We started mailing this game in about 5 minutes ago.
Eastern clearly did not. If we can survive this, it’ll create a nice teachable moment for Bone.
Early season is so much fun
We simply don’t have a lot of scorers yet.
this game would be over
If we made our FTs earlier…
by Grady Clapp on Nov 16, 2009 9:01 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Could have been a foul there on us
He went down after some contact. I guess that isn’t a trip?
travel bails us out there
they moved the ball around on that possession perfectly and got us all out of position
Me too
Lots of teaching will come out of this one. Always better when you don’t have to lose to get those teachable moments.
Klay's (way too early) season averages
22 PPG, 5.5 RB, 2 ast, 2 steals 11.5 FT attempts!
Vote for Butch!
imagine if he shot well
he will hit 30 a few times this year
Vote for Butch!
by spencer peaty on Nov 16, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
a win is a win
On to the next one…
by Grady Clapp on Nov 16, 2009 9:09 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I was just thinking that
….and also wondering if Michael Roll has been at UCLA forever
by spokanecougar on Nov 16, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
Fullerton was pretty good last year
I don’t know about this year though
I say to Amanda (my gf), "Hey, Tony Bennett is losing."
by Craig Powers on Nov 16, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
Mine would give me a funny look and ask "Who the hell is that?"
by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
She's a Coug.
We both went to school from 03-07. Hard for her not to know.
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by Craig Powers on Nov 16, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Mine goes to school 10 miles from WSU
She does understand why I love Akey, now
by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
Yes and no
I think we all feel like we were “jilted” but I don’t want to see him fall on his face. I predicted he will never find what he had at WSU any other place. Just like most coaches they won’t know what they had until they are away for a bit.
That's a good point
I just want him to have a rough first year to snap him back to reality a bit, then I can maybe hope he does well.
by johnnycougar on Nov 16, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
Aside from the obvious (Klay, Moore, Casto)
Thames is a ball player. He looks like he’s got a midrange game and that cut he made to the hoop was a thing of beauty.
Nik and Abe look like new players this year. They’re flying around the court and making plays. Nik was cutting to the hoop and making some pretty dishes and finishing. Abe wasn’t hitting shots but was crashing the boards and playing solid defense. He looks like he has a new bounce in his step. He also looks like he can handle playing the four. It gets him on guys who aren’t as quick (foot speed was always his issue) and he has a decent size to him.
Thames looked pretty good
I see why they want to have Moore and Thames on the floor at the same time. I am looking forward to seeing Lodwick against better competition. It was good to see Koprivica play with some confidence.
He might still have a thing for Klay.
On ESPNU he said that Nic Wise and Klay Thompson were the players to watch in the Pac 10 this year.
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by Craig Powers on Nov 16, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
Isnt half there team hurt still?
I hate UCLA, I hope they lose 20 games
by spokanecougar on Nov 16, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
Wow Lodwick and Capers played 38 minutes combined and put up one shot.
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I'm OK with that, for now
If they aren’t confident, they aren’t shooting. That’s a good thing. Abe was all over the boards and both were hustling around on the defensive end while letting others carry the scoring load. I think the touch will come with Abe and Capers just needs to fly to the hoop
We really need more offense from one of them
I don’t know how you survive with nothing from 2 starters playing those kind of minutes.
At what point do the refs swallow the whistle and let UCLA come storming back?
You know its gonna happen…
Awful doesn't begin to describe it
I’ve seen too many shots barely hit iron or not hit it at all. Someone must’ve left a door open at Pauley
by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
and I thought the WSU game seemed brutal...
UCLA needs to get their guys back if they plan to win many games in the Pac10..
I'm sure they'll recover
Plus they will have gotten their bench guys a lot of valuable minutes
by johnnycougar on Nov 16, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
I'm just not seeing it right now...
but I don’t know who their injured guys are or how much talent they have, so who knows…
This qualifies as a barrage of 3's in this game
by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
The dribble-drive got them the lead
I know UCLA is packing it in, but they shouldn’t be jacking up shots
by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
Welcome to Sportscenter, kid
Was that Keefe getting posterized?
by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry, sore subject with you guys
I’ve been watching him here in Kent forever. He’s a good kid. I would’ve hated having to root for him at UW for a year.
by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
I'd rather him not be in the pac-10
Luckily I doubt he’ll be around more than a year
by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Pauley. They went like the first 12 minutes "without fouling" when we played them down there last year.
Home cooking for sure
Why not foul them 5 times there?
by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
In fact, that ball is down
What the hell?
by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
I can't decide who I want to win
I like rooting against UCLA but this would be a relatively embarrassing loss for UCLA
by johnnycougar on Nov 16, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
Schadenfreude
UCLA losing to CSF at Pauley
by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
Me niether.
And it is 1:15! Worst game ever.
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by Craig Powers on Nov 16, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
I get excited every time a jumper goes in
but then I realize that statistically some shots have to be good
Well done sir.
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by Craig Powers on Nov 16, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
It has been very consistent over his college career.
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by Craig Powers on Nov 16, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
This game is like the bad guy is a horror flick.
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by Craig Powers on Nov 16, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
okay, so would you guys rather watch an ugly but tight game or watch St. Mary's obliterate the opposition?
I'd rather this game end so I can go to sleep.
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by Craig Powers on Nov 16, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
5 second call was right
The non-call…not so much
by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
I missed the replay
initially it looked like the CSF defender just stood there
by johnnycougar on Nov 16, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
still going on here
I went off and did laundry and watch Curb your Enthusiasm and come back and see the UCLA game is still going and this chat is all over it.
GO CAL STATE FULLERTON!!!
And you are correct.
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by Craig Powers on Nov 16, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
Their fans must be absolutely shocked right now.
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by Craig Powers on Nov 16, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
I feel better about our game all of a sudden
by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah. . I was worried about us for a second, and then I saw this game.
CSF looked way sloppier than Eastern, and I am pretty sure WSU and Eastern could have beaten the UCLA team that showed up tonight. Yikes!
I'm pretty sure that's worse for UCLA
Than us losing to Eastern
by Grady Clapp on Nov 16, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
Yes.
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by Craig Powers on Nov 16, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
That's all that game deserved.
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by Craig Powers on Nov 16, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure what this says about the Pac-10
Oregon State got blown out and now UCLA losses at home. The Cougs might win the Pac-10 this year!!!!
Cal and UW still look unstoppable
The rest is up in the air
by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
Both have questions about about their front courts though
Kind of like WSU does.
by spokanecougar on Nov 16, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions

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