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OPEN GAME THREAD: EWU @ WSU

Eastern Washington Eagles at Washington St. Cougars, Nov 16, 2009 7:00 PM PST


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WSU (*used redsirt) Vitals MVSU  Vitals
G Reggie Moore (Fr.) 6-1/178 G Glen Dean (Fr.)
5-10/170
G Klay Thompson (So.) 6-6/200 G Kevin Winford (Fr.)
5-11/170
G Marcus Capers (So.) 6-4/180 G Alden Gibbs (Jr.)
6-3/185
F Abe Lodwick (So.*) 6-7/200 F Matthew Brunell (Sr)
6-8/230
F DeAngelo Casto (So.) 6-8/231 F Brandon Moore (Sr.)
6-9/240

For the last six years under the Bennetts, Cougar fans heard time after time the story of a slow paced team clashing with a running team and how that would impact the flow of the game.  Most of the time the Cougars were able to impose their style and limit the number of possessions in the game.  This time around, the tables have turned.

Over the last two years under head coach Kirk Earlywine, Eastern Washington has played at a tempo around 65 possessions a game.  Their first game this season against the University of Portland saw 63 possessions.  Their average last year of 64.8 put them at 241st in the country.  They are not a team that is going to try and run the ball up and down the floor.

Ken Bone has been vocal about his desire for the Cougars to get more shots out of a game.  He felt the Cougs passed too much in the opener, and that was a game in which Washington State held the ball 73 times.  It appears that Kenneth wants the team playing somewhere in the mid-70s.

So we ask the same question again: Which style will prevail?

The answer that Cougar fans have learned is most often true is the slow down team.  Why? Because the Cougs could slow down anybody.  They even made ultra-fast North Carolina play a game at 66 possessions in the tournament a few years ago.  So will Eastern be able to do the same (to a lesser degree) to Washington State?

Probably.  Something Eastern has in common with those Bennett teams is a lack of offensive rebounding.  Last year, the Eagles ranked 262nd in offensive rebounding percentage.  My guess is that they give up the opportunity for the offensive board to stop the other team from running down the floor, which Coug fans are very used to.

So Ken Bone might once again be lamenting a slower-than-usual pace after this one.  Of course, he should be expecting it because he faced these guys twice a year during his time at Portland State.  If you want some hope that the Cougs will push the tempo anyway, look no farther than Eastern's matchup with UW last season.  It was played at 74 possessions (right at UW's average of 73.9).  That was EWU second fastest game of the year.

Some players to watch:

Benny Valentine, EWU:  Although coming off the bench in the first game of the season, Benny is the team's go-to-guy.  He took 32.8% of the shots when he was on the floor last year and it was more the same in the opener as he jacked up 12 shots in only 26 minutes of playing time.  He won't be hard to miss, he stands at just 5-7, but is tremendously athletic and reportedly can dunk with two hands pretty easily.

Brandon Moore, EWU: A big body, with the ability to draw fouls and get to the line.  Posted a very solid 47.3 Free throw rate last season and was able to draw 5.0 fouls per forty minutes (watch out DeAngelo!).  He is also a very good rebounder on both ends of the floor, ranking in the top 200 nationally in defensive and offensive rebounding percentage last season. 

Klay Thompson, WSU:  What?  Of course you put Klay in here Craig!  He is our best player!  Well, I put him in here specifically because he will tower over the Eagles' guards.  It would please me greatly to see him take advantage of this by going to the inside to use his height, drawing fouls and shooting free throws in the process.

Eastern was not a very good team last year (ranked 257 by kenpom).  They returned their leading scorers in Brandon Moore and Benny Valentine, but also lost their most effective defensive rebounder.  They are young in the backcourt, just like the Cougs.  Washington State should cruise in this one, but it will not be as easy as the MVSU game.  Brandon Moore will make sure the Cougs are not grabbing 63% of the offensive rebounding opportunities, which was key on a night when Wazzu was finding it difficult to hit a jump shot.  If the Cougs are able to rebound well , stay out of foul trouble in the frontcourt, and capitalize on some of that length in the backcourt, then it should be a happy night.

Go Cougs!  Join the discussion in the game thread now!

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Old coach put up 49 at UVA

How many points will new coach put up tonight?

by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 6:48 PM PST reply actions  

Breaking uni news

Butch is wearing a gray alt… heck yes

by Grady Clapp on Nov 16, 2009 6:53 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

gray alts confirmed

Cougs on front… they are new for sure.

Don’t know how to post pics yet

by Grady Clapp on Nov 16, 2009 6:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I MIGHT GET TO WATCH A WINNING WSU GAME

I cannot even begin to describe how much this excites me. I mean really — do you think we could beat EWU in football? It’s at least questionable.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 16, 2009 7:00 PM PST reply actions  

Jen Mueller

Hardest working woman in sports. She was in Glendale yesterday with the Seahawks.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 16, 2009 7:01 PM PST reply actions  

Boot camp?

Really? Army?

I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

by HitKing69 on Nov 16, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow

I’m surprised, but I haven’t seen him in so long, I probably shouldn’t be.

I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

by HitKing69 on Nov 16, 2009 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Kinda flat

Hard not to be with young guys in an 80 percent empty building.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 16, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

i know it's not bennett ball

but i’m not a fan of rushed ill-advised shots….we’ve taken several so far.

by BigWood on Nov 16, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, that's not necessarily a style thing

Bone wants good shots, too … he just doesn’t mind it coming early in the offense.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 16, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

You're right

Sorry, a little sensitive to all the style stuff at this point.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 16, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Thought there would be more people there

Looks like nobody came down from Spokane or they are late getting there

by spokanecougar on Nov 16, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Finally

About time they called EWU for all the mugging they’re doing on rebounds.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 16, 2009 7:09 PM PST reply actions  

ugh

Mr. Bean officiating… always fun

by Grady Clapp on Nov 16, 2009 7:12 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Easterns unis are really ugly

maybe that is just compared to ours

Vote for Butch!

by spencer peaty on Nov 16, 2009 7:18 PM PST reply actions  

if you look at espn's uni-watch blog

the craze this season is VERY simple….and that stupid System of Dress

by BigWood on Nov 16, 2009 7:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait for it....

The comparison to Caleb Forest is coming

by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 7:33 PM PST reply actions  

He's only an inch shorter

Which is why Caleb was such a terrible defensive rebounder.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 16, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Here we go

Good D leads to easy baskets

by spokanecougar on Nov 16, 2009 7:35 PM PST reply actions  

Moore, Thames, Harthun all in

I wonder how often that happens this year.

by BornCoug on Nov 16, 2009 7:36 PM PST reply actions  

in you to pay $5 a month for a premium package of Fox Sports FX

and could have Craigh Elho muted the whole game I would do it for the whole season

by donkeyjon12 on Nov 16, 2009 7:36 PM PST reply actions  

Holy crap does Klay have the green light

It’s like night and day from last year. I’ll go ahead and say that Klay will top 30 about five times this year.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 16, 2009 7:46 PM PST reply actions  

I don't know if I'd say easily

20 is a pretty big number in college, and it’ll get tougher once he’s playing guards who aren’t 5-7. But it plausible, and that’s pretty awesome.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 16, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd be shocked if he doesn't average 20+

Sure, he is playing against below average competition tonight, but to start 0-6 (maybe worse I’m not sure) and still have 10 points at halftime says something.

by mmevans15 on Nov 16, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

60

I think we’ll probably end up around 68. Had Harden played at that pace, he probably would have been around 23 points.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 16, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Harden was a better overall player

But Klay is a better scorer, especially on this team, especially if he gets to the line.

by mmevans15 on Nov 16, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry

We’ll have to agree to disagree on that one. Klay is the better shooter. Harden is the superior scorer in every other respect.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 16, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

You are correct. Let me rephrase

I think Klay has the ability to score more points than Harden given his team dynamic.

by mmevans15 on Nov 17, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

All in all, not terrible

If Klay hits half the shots he missed early, this is a double-digit game at half. The defense doesn’t look much different from last year, although defensive rebounding is definitely going to be a challenge. The offense looked pretty out of sync for most of the half. I have a feeling we’re going to go through a lot of hot and cold runs this year, dictated both by streaky shooting and our need for transition baskets.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 16, 2009 7:53 PM PST reply actions  

The fact we're able to say transition baskets is something

I like that we challenge shots in the lane, but I don’t like that we completely sell out to block the shots, leaving the boards open. That can be fixed, though. Also, we’re really looking to jump passes and take them the other way which differs quite a bit from the old keep them in front of you defense. This will lead to more breaks, but may also lead to getting burned on backdoor cuts.

All in all it’s fun to watch. The team, especially Mr. Lodwick, seems to be laying it all out on the court and flying all over the place.

by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions  

We we're making transition baskets...

we start looking like a real good team. It opens everything else ups and gives the players confidence. When we start cold and can’t get into transition, we struggle, but we do have some defense to keep us in it.

by james_WSU on Nov 16, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Half thoughts

FT rate saves teams on bad shooting nights… glad to see Bone knows that

Watson!

Glenn Johnson rules. He emphasized FIVE SECONDS before the last posession of the half. Coach and announcer?

Great run to close the half. This team plays better when they play faster. Cannot let EWU get o rebs and control tempo.

by Grady Clapp on Nov 16, 2009 7:56 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

halftime plus/minus

Harthun 13
Koprivica 11
Watson 10
Capers 1
Moore 1
Enquist -1
Thames -3
Thompson -7
Casto -9
Lodwick -11

by BigWood on Nov 16, 2009 7:57 PM PST reply actions  

Me too

I especially like how he finished with “That’s just ridiculous!”

by mmevans15 on Nov 16, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions  

"He knows what he can do and not what he can't do"

Good one, Ehlo. Way to put that Gonzaga education to work.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 16, 2009 8:11 PM PST reply actions  

I hate eastern's #42

Only reason this is a six point game

by Grady Clapp on Nov 16, 2009 8:13 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

If he does that all year, this is gonna be fun

Klay going to the hole is gonna make him scary to defend

by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 8:19 PM PST reply actions  

I love Klay's aggression going to the basket

At this rate, he’s going to pass last year’s free throw total by game four.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 16, 2009 8:19 PM PST reply actions  

OH MY.

Almost as surprising as Klay’s dunk.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 16, 2009 8:21 PM PST reply actions  

Look at Nik

Cheering extra hard for him this year

by spokanecougar on Nov 16, 2009 8:21 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, no Motum yet

Bone seems to really have tightened up his rotation. No Motum, just a little Harthun, just a little Charlie, lots of Moore and Thames.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 16, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea

we are starting to see who will be getting the minutes now

by spokanecougar on Nov 16, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Rotation based on EWU squad

Beefy center and lots of smaller guards. Would be tough for Motum and probably Watson, too

by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Confidence

He has it right now. Glad to see it and hope it continues.

by BornCoug on Nov 16, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm watching on a delay

And reading peoples notes. But yes, good to see Nik making moves and playing like a leader. He looks to be talking and leading huddles as well. I want him to have a good year and make the most of this, for him and what he’s been through.

by 02Coug on Nov 16, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you kidding?

I had no idea how good Reggie Moore actually was until seeing him on TV. The gap to fill McLovin’s old shoes is as big as I thought…

by HugeBoobs on Nov 16, 2009 8:29 PM PST reply actions  

They are playing some great D

glad to see it tighten up after the first game

by spokanecougar on Nov 16, 2009 8:29 PM PST reply actions  

Thompson looks like...

he is enjoying attacking the rim

by james_WSU on Nov 16, 2009 8:33 PM PST reply actions  

Which is incredible

Because he looked last year like he dreaded any kind of contact.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 16, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions  

He just looks like a guy who's ready to lead his team

The confidence is easy to see. Pretty obvious difference from last year’s deference.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 16, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Looks like he's also got the confidence talk

Go in, take shots, don’t worry about misses. My HS coach would tell his scorers “you are in range when you leave the locker room” and would pull them for not shooting. I think that’s the kind of talk Bone gave Klay.

by 02Coug on Nov 16, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

GA Shootout

Looks like it’ll be on FSN. Who knew?

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 16, 2009 8:35 PM PST reply actions  

What announcers do you guys like?

all I hear is complaining…

Vote for Butch!

by spencer peaty on Nov 16, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Watson on the score sheet

And EWU has a whiney kid thats being picked up on the mic

by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 8:37 PM PST reply actions  

Same call

He had position, guy with the ball puts the elbow out and gets the call

by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 8:45 PM PST reply actions  

Ah ok...

Its windy here in Spokane, but nothing that will cause power outages

by spokanecougar on Nov 16, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Fun

I was there a few years ago for some huge storm, went to the Seahawks game that night against the 49ers

They lost

by spokanecougar on Nov 16, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I was there

There was like a natural disaster every week that year.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 16, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, it was crazy

I remember barely getting over the pass cause the snow, and then being soaking wet the second I got out of my car at the stadium because it was raining so hard

by spokanecougar on Nov 16, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Memories

Tim Floyd getting the Left, Right, Left, Right treatment up the tunnel

by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 8:56 PM PST reply actions  

Ugh. We started mailing this game in about 5 minutes ago.

Eastern clearly did not. If we can survive this, it’ll create a nice teachable moment for Bone.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 16, 2009 8:59 PM PST reply actions  

Don't worry....

EWU is a GREAT team!

……..

by james_WSU on Nov 16, 2009 8:59 PM PST reply actions  

Early season is so much fun

We simply don’t have a lot of scorers yet.

by BornCoug on Nov 16, 2009 9:00 PM PST reply actions  

Me too

Lots of teaching will come out of this one. Always better when you don’t have to lose to get those teachable moments.

by Jeff Nusser on Nov 16, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Klay's (way too early) season averages

22 PPG, 5.5 RB, 2 ast, 2 steals 11.5 FT attempts!

Vote for Butch!

by spencer peaty on Nov 16, 2009 9:09 PM PST reply actions  

FG 6-16

9-14 from the line. It’s early

by BornCoug on Nov 16, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

imagine if he shot well

he will hit 30 a few times this year

Vote for Butch!

by spencer peaty on Nov 16, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep

It was nice to see him get to the basket against smaller quicker players. I don’t know, it’s a rebuilding year in my book.

by BornCoug on Nov 16, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

a win is a win

On to the next one…

by Grady Clapp on Nov 16, 2009 9:09 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Yes and no

I think we all feel like we were “jilted” but I don’t want to see him fall on his face. I predicted he will never find what he had at WSU any other place. Just like most coaches they won’t know what they had until they are away for a bit.

by BornCoug on Nov 16, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions  

That's a good point

I just want him to have a rough first year to snap him back to reality a bit, then I can maybe hope he does well.

by johnnycougar on Nov 16, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Aside from the obvious (Klay, Moore, Casto)

Thames is a ball player. He looks like he’s got a midrange game and that cut he made to the hoop was a thing of beauty.

Nik and Abe look like new players this year. They’re flying around the court and making plays. Nik was cutting to the hoop and making some pretty dishes and finishing. Abe wasn’t hitting shots but was crashing the boards and playing solid defense. He looks like he has a new bounce in his step. He also looks like he can handle playing the four. It gets him on guys who aren’t as quick (foot speed was always his issue) and he has a decent size to him.

by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 9:28 PM PST reply actions  

Thames looked pretty good

I see why they want to have Moore and Thames on the floor at the same time. I am looking forward to seeing Lodwick against better competition. It was good to see Koprivica play with some confidence.

by BornCoug on Nov 16, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm OK with that, for now

If they aren’t confident, they aren’t shooting. That’s a good thing. Abe was all over the boards and both were hustling around on the defensive end while letting others carry the scoring load. I think the touch will come with Abe and Capers just needs to fly to the hoop

by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

We really need more offense from one of them

I don’t know how you survive with nothing from 2 starters playing those kind of minutes.

by BornCoug on Nov 16, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

This game is ugly as hell

Neither team can seem to hit the rim from beyond the arc, either

by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 10:30 PM PST reply actions  

Awful doesn't begin to describe it

I’ve seen too many shots barely hit iron or not hit it at all. Someone must’ve left a door open at Pauley

by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

and I thought the WSU game seemed brutal...

UCLA needs to get their guys back if they plan to win many games in the Pac10..

by james_WSU on Nov 16, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm sure they'll recover

Plus they will have gotten their bench guys a lot of valuable minutes

by johnnycougar on Nov 16, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm just not seeing it right now...

but I don’t know who their injured guys are or how much talent they have, so who knows…

by james_WSU on Nov 16, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Missed the rim there

Seriously, there must be an open door and a breeze

by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 10:44 PM PST reply actions  

Gordon is not good at all

I bet they wish they had Josh right now

by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 10:48 PM PST reply actions  

Heres a hint, CSF

The only guy on the floor that can hit a three is Roll

by Brian Floyd on Nov 16, 2009 11:08 PM PST reply actions  

hoooooooooooly crap

how much does UCLA miss Collison right now? That was ugly.

by johnnycougar on Nov 16, 2009 11:13 PM PST reply actions  

I get excited every time a jumper goes in

but then I realize that statistically some shots have to be good

by johnnycougar on Nov 16, 2009 11:17 PM PST reply actions  

ZOMG

A THREE POINTER WENT IN FOR CSF

CougCenter WSU's second main blog

by Craig Powers on Nov 16, 2009 11:21 PM PST reply actions  

Dragovic, Roll, that other guy

UCLA has surpassed us in scrappy whiteness.

by Grady Clapp on Nov 16, 2009 11:26 PM PST reply actions  

still going on here

I went off and did laundry and watch Curb your Enthusiasm and come back and see the UCLA game is still going and this chat is all over it.

GO CAL STATE FULLERTON!!!

by spokanecougar on Nov 16, 2009 11:28 PM PST reply actions  

0.6 seconds

That’s enough for 2 possessions in the NBA

by Grady Clapp on Nov 16, 2009 11:29 PM PST reply actions  

Fighting Akognons win!

Minus Akognon, of course.

And Dave Pasch: the least exciting announcer ever

by Grady Clapp on Nov 16, 2009 11:30 PM PST reply actions  

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