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OPEN GAME THREAD: IPFW at WSU

IPFW Mastodons at Washington St. Cougars, Nov 19, 2009 7:00 PM PST


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WSU (*used redsirt) Vitals IPFW Vitals
G Reggie Moore (Fr.) 6-1/178 G Ben Botts (Jr.)
6-0/170
G Klay Thompson (So.) 6-6/200 G Nick Daniels (Sr.)
6-2/200
G Marcus Capers (So.) 6-4/180 G Zach Plackemeier 6-3/190
F Abe Lodwick (So.*) 6-7/200 F Antwone Snead (Jr.)
6-5/220
F DeAngelo Casto (So.) 6-8/231 F Deilvez Yearby (Sr.)
6-6/215

Running kind of short on time, so I'll go ahead and point out the obvious: This is a game the Cougs should dominate at the end of their three game extended preseason to open the year before heading to Alaska. The Mastodons (fun fact: a mastodon is an extinct elephant-like mammal that flourished worldwide from Miocene through Pleistocene times) are small up front, which ought to buy Ken Bone some more time to sort out the frontcourt.

The Mastodons (I just like typing that) are coached by Dane Fife. Yes, that Dane Fife.

Some things to watch:

Deilvez Yearby, IPFW:  The Mastodons most experienced player, one can assume the offense runs through him. He scored 20 in the opener against Wisconsin, the lone bright spot in that blowout of a game. (The Mastodons' eFG% in that game was 37.2 percent. Yeow.)

Jeremy Mixon, IPFW: He comes off the bench, but the sophomore guard looks like IPFW's most dangerous scorer. He's second on the team at 15.5 points per game.

The WSU big men: With a distinct size advantage (probably one of the two times we'll be able to say that this year), will the frontcourt begin to get sorted out? Will James Watson get some run? Will Brock Motum make an appearance? And if they do, will they do anything special?

Ken Bone's rotation: He admitted after last game that he played some guys too long (Thompson, Casto and Moore). How does he try to distribute the minutes tonight in what's likely to be a blowout?

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Washington State 89, IPFW 70

Nov 2009 by Grady. - 18 comments

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Everybody say it with me....it's early

Cal got blown out by a good Syracuse team, 95-73.

Also, woooo basketball season

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 7:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Never a good sign when Syracuse beats you this early

Especially when you’re the much more experienced team.

by Nuss on Nov 19, 2009 7:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't know that

I didn’t see any of the game. Was it close at all or did they just get run?

by Nuss on Nov 19, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cuse controlled it

Never really close at all

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 7:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I sure didn't think they would be

But it’s still early. Not gonna read a ton into it yet

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A friend of mine's a Syracus alum

He said that’s the best he’s seen them play since Carmelo was on campus. They pretty much throttled Cal, and it probably wouldn’t have mattered if those guys had played.

by thecassino on Nov 19, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They're definitely talented

I’ll believe it when I see some consistency. That’s always the issue with Syracuse.

by Nuss on Nov 19, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Also helps that the game was at MSG, their second home.

At one point they had like a 13-0 advantage at the line.

by thecassino on Nov 19, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

anyone else think biology labs should be canceled on game days? me too

by spencer peaty on Nov 19, 2009 7:08 PM PST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Foot on the line

Klay has 9 of the 12 at first media TO.

5 of 6 shooting for the team

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 7:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well, we're gonna get someone else in at the 4 spot

Lodwick has 2. I’d guess Watson, Nik, and (hopefully) Motum get in on it.

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 7:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

i feel like klay is going to have

morrison like improvement year to year….which may not be good in keeping him until he is a senior.

by donkeyjon12 on Nov 19, 2009 7:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Lots of ifs

And a long way from now….but just think how good this team could be in two years.

by mmevans15 on Nov 19, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Tom Glasgow and Lenny Wilkens on the Seattle U call

Totally off topic, but interesting. As an aside, does anyone have any idea why Joe Callero left for Cal Poly? Seemed like a no brainer to stay at Seattle U. I know San Luis Obispo is gorgeous, but I can’t think of many more places I’d like to try and put a program on the map than Seattle.

by Nuss on Nov 19, 2009 7:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Why is Seattle U on FSN and not WSU

You would think they would rather have the Pac-10 team over the 2nd year D-1 school. Is it because we are playing IPFW?

by spokanecougar on Nov 19, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Opening game for Seattle U

At Key Arena with an Elgin Baylor ceremony

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He is lighting it up!

We need other people to step up though. He won’t shoot this good every game.

by 907coug on Nov 19, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But when he is like this, you don't tell him to stop

Just let him shoot until he has a heat check

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I mean when I say we'll go as far as he carries us

If he has more than a few nights like this in Pac-10 play, that could be the difference between an 8th place finish and a fourth place finish.

by Nuss on Nov 19, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Early Season

It always happens. UW lost to Portland last year and look how that ended up

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

right...

but oregon state, ucla, stanford…all look right in line with us. arizona state didn’t look like world beaters either. just saying it is wide open (or so it seems) especially if klay shoots like this.

by donkeyjon12 on Nov 19, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rotation looks to be

Nik off the bench at the 4
Charlie off the bench at the 5
Harthun off the bench at the 2
Thames off the bench at the 1/2

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 7:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thames on the board with a 2

Need him to find an offensive identity, too

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 7:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good midrange game

And he can get to the bucket. If he can develop a better outside shot he’ll be a good scorer

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There's the "imaginary circle" call

Just draw the damn thing so we know

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 7:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Like the NBA

There’s a “no-charge zone” under the rim, but they aren’t drawing the circle. Instead its a judgment decision. Knowing pac-10 refs, that’s not a good thing

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Touche

That makes sense and God help us with our refs

by Couginthepink on Nov 19, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was about to say we have a young line-up out there...

but then I realized every line up we have is young!

by 907coug on Nov 19, 2009 7:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'd sit out there too if I was shooting that well

The thing I think he’s learning is that when his shots off, to go to the rim and finish or at least draw contact. That added dimension makes him so much tougher to stop

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Which is where you'll see the difference this year, hopefully

Instead of living outside the arc like last year, he has that added dimension that defenders have to think about. They can’t play tight or he drives, if they lay off he lets it rain

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If only Klay would drive to the basket!

Think about how good he could be! :-)

by Nuss on Nov 19, 2009 7:56 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

This year Klay learns how to drive

Next year he learns how to post up. Once he gets driving and posting up down, he will as the late Master Po of the old Kung Fu televisions series said, “you will have learned.”

by Coug1990 on Nov 19, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Halftime thoughts from Friel

Horrible job on the boards… that kind of stuff will get us murdered in conference

Offense looks lost without Klay but oh my god Klay is awesome

Like what Thames is doing off the bench. Abe and harthun still can’t buy a bucket

Ipfw missed some wide open shots, but have also made some well defended ones. Still, cougs should be up by more. Got complacent at the end when klay was sitting.

I really wish watson had any shred of body control out there.

Overall not a great half, but not a bad one either thanks to klay. We need to get to the line more.

by Grady. on Nov 19, 2009 7:56 PM PST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Isn't he 1-1 this game?

I think his problem this year will likely be that he isn’t big enough for his position. I like him out there so far this year though. Seems to be playing much smarter.

by mmevans15 on Nov 19, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nevermind

Thought you said Nik. Totally agree on Abe.

by mmevans15 on Nov 19, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with Nik

He’s looking good, taking smart shots, slashing again, and defending well.

He’s a guy I always want to root for

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Quinnett's 45

Looking in jeopardy if Klay gets the minutes.

by BornCoug on Nov 19, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

I doubt they leave him in a lot longer and they just took him out for a blow.

by BornCoug on Nov 19, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Still closer than it should be

Great night by Klay, but our defense continues to suspect at best.

by MattPD on Nov 19, 2009 8:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

NIK!

Drives and lays it in, steals on the other end and long tosses to Reggie for the dunk

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 8:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Haha, T'd up

And Klay has 30, because of it

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 8:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Come on Mike!

He should be making those open ones.

by 907coug on Nov 19, 2009 8:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Shooting

We’re shooting 58% from the field, 60% from 3, and 89% from the line.

I’ll take those numbers

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 8:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Oh my

3 on 1 and motum falls over and loses it out of bounds

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Then he misses the front end of a 1 and 1

and follows that with a foul. facepalm

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He is really struggling.

He won’t play much in any Pac 10 games if he doesn’t pick up his play quite a bit.

by 907coug on Nov 19, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hahahahaha

He’s explaining the FT shooter rules to Bone. Beautiful

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 8:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Walk on time.

Favorite part of the game.

by ZeusGalore on Nov 19, 2009 8:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

good thing Klay went off tonight

Without him, this is a fairly close game. Still very unimpressed by the defense, but a win is a win. Good job cougs, but we need better defense asap.

by MattPD on Nov 19, 2009 8:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I hate to tell you this

But you’re not gonna see great sustained defense like the Bennett system. What you will see is sporadic defense that we turn on when we need to and can fall back to it at times.

You can’t run the Bone offense with it’s emphasis on running and scoring while also playing Bennett level deal

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd just like to see us stop allowing the layup fests...

that we are seeing other teams experience against us.

I realize this is related to poor rebounding…but we have to fix the rebounding issue or the relatively weak Pac-10 will still eat us alive.

by westsidecougar1 on Nov 19, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The offensive rebounding issue is probably a simple fix

We’re selling out for the big swat and leaving the boards open. Fix this and the layup fests will slow. We also gave up a TON of long rebounds today, too. IPFW actually hit alot of contested and tough shots today.

It’s early and they’re still trying to learn the ins and outs of whats expected of them on offense and on defense. The pac-10 is a long way off and the young team you see now has alot of learning to do before then. It’ll come

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We better brace for a ...

tough season.

As I feared, we are not committed to playing good team defense.

This is “UW East” without the good rebounding. Very unfortunate.

by westsidecougar1 on Nov 19, 2009 8:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Relax, it's early

The sky isn’t falling yet. We’re taking care of business and finding an identity. The days of shutdown defense for 40 minutes are gone. Don’t be afraid of change.

If you didn’t see this coming, you didn’t watch the Bone system that took UW deep into the tournament years back. It works

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure...UW went deep into the tourney....

but I have to say I’m not a fan of that style.

Sloppy play…lackluster defense…undisciplined play.

I’m not afraid of change. I am afraid of lack of mental toughness…which poor defense reflects in my opinion.

The system works with great athletes and 4 star recruits. We will be hard-pressed to recruit that well.

by westsidecougar1 on Nov 19, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody, including Bone, likes lackluster, undisciplined, sloppy play

I don’t think mental toughness is an issue here. I do think these guys are still growing into the system and that they will get it. Remember, these are young kids and they’re going to screw up. Bennett’s original boys didn’t have it at first but as they grew and got more comfortable great things happened.

The system can work and we’re getting better athletes all the time. And yes, again, it is still way too early to truly judge the team or how well it works here.

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 9:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I understand...

I also have seen Bone’s teams play before. He may have won, but I’m not convinced he can do it at WSU. We will see.

Rebounding is about mental toughness.

Even though he kept Ben Johnson, I’m disappointed that we’ve lost our defensive ability so quickly.

We need to be a very tough defensive team first.

Just think if a team can place a high skill defender on Klay. There goes 40% of our points right there. Defense always is there though…and that is why I’m disappointed that we have gone away from that philosophy.

by westsidecougar1 on Nov 19, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Westside, correct me if I am wrong

But, aren’t you one of Wulff’s supporters? Why do you support Wulff who has not yet proven he can win at a BCS level and yet not support Bone who has actually proven he can win at every level he has coached, including D1.

Does Bone get to have his recruits to see if his system will work at WSU?

by Coug1990 on Nov 19, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I grew to love Bennett Ball.

But I also realize this will be different. Knowing to take the 83 point scored for games with the 70 allowed is part of the coaching change. This year will be frustrating at times, terribly fun at others. All part of the package.

by ZeusGalore on Nov 19, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

the Husky entire philosophy hinges on press D and rebounding ....

… not sure where the “lackluster defense” notion comes from. In fact, I’d be hard pressed to find a better on the ball defender in the entire conference than Venoy Overton.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.

by Gekko Mojo on Nov 19, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, geez

Don’t start with the Overton thing again … ;-)

I think the notion that Washington is a bad defensive team is based on inaccurate perceptions. It’s just a different style — one that’s much more esoteric and much less concrete, if that makes any sense.

This is kind of what I was driving at with my Bone post last Friday. I think we’re going to go through a little bit of an identity crisis over the next couple of season.

by Nuss on Nov 19, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you think?

I dunno. I think kids adjust fast. Bennett got the Cougs on the map by playing the only style that he could with the talent he had. Now you have better players who can compete. Bone’s philosophy loosens the reigns and lets your young studs be who they were meant to be.

PS – I didn’t know there was a Venoy thing before. I’ll tread lightly.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.

by Gekko Mojo on Nov 20, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not talking about the kids adjusting. They'll be fine.

I’m talking about the fans. They’re going to have a tough time embracing this, even if it results in wins. We’ve had “defense first” drilled into our heads for six years. Even in victory, there’s going to be a segment of the fans that are going to constantly be waiting for the other shoe to drop. I suppose that’s a testament to the Bennetts and their philosophy being so heavily dependent on process. Fans are real skeptical that Bone’s process is going to last right now.

Oh, and if you want t read up on the Overton thing …

http://www.cougcenter.com/2009/10/28/1105490/quincy-pondexter-is-sort-of-smart

by Nuss on Nov 20, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not at all

And it hasn’t been for quite a while. It just depends on ending possessions in ways Coug fans aren’t used to. Under the Bennetts, a successful defensive possession was one missed shot followed by a defensive rebound shortly thereafter. Washington predicates it on ending its fair share of possessions with turnovers. Nothing wrong with that.

by Nuss on Nov 20, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Even more than that

It’s about guard pressure forcing teams to play to the UW’s tempo, which generally leads to poor shot selection. Turnovers are great, but the Huskies aren’t all that impressive at forcing them.

by thecassino on Nov 20, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess you're right

They haven’t been a team real good at forcing turnovers since 2006. I also think a huge part of why they’ve been so good is because they’ve been one of the best in the country for the last four years at limiting other teams’ offensive rebounds (perhaps the most underrated part of playing good defense).

I wonder why? :-)

Seriously, though — now that Brockman’s gone, I question whether the defense will be nearly as good. I am not impressed with your frontcourt’s ability to rebound. (Although Breshers might yet prove to be that guy.)

by Nuss on Nov 20, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that's why they are still recruiting

Adden Aden and probably still not done. I don’t know if we have the players to get too far away from the Bennett system yet. Actually, I know we don’t have the players.

It’s still early though.

by BornCoug on Nov 19, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just got done watching Seattle U

That was a hell of a game. I have a feeling I’m going to enjoy following that program — they’re not the Huskies, and they’re trying to catch up to Gonzaga. Seems perfect to me.

by Nuss on Nov 19, 2009 9:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, they are kind of an underdog program

So, I think they moved up to my second favorite program in the state right now. From what I remember, SU wanted to see if they can join the WCC, but Gonzaga was one of the schools that nixed that. They don’t want the competition, because SU could become a sleeping giant.

by Coug1990 on Nov 19, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And if they're successful

We’ll have even less success recruiting the Seattle area! Yay!

I think when it comes to innercity Seattle basketball, the Sonics need to come back. Yesterday.

by Grady. on Nov 19, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe more accurately it's

Coached by a Bruin and led by a guy who was recruited by Washington, but could not get into the university.

by Nuss on Nov 19, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dollar's not exactly the most popular coach in Washington

Holy crap, I didn’t realize he inbounded the ball on the Tyus Edney play. That’s sweet.

by cougfan on Nov 19, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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