Two reasons why people who blame the coaches for this entire mess are at the very least misguided
The coaches have taken a lot of heat for the past almost two years now for what has transpired on the football field. That refrain reared its head again Saturday, after one play in particular.
Now, anyone who watches Chris Berman and Tom Jackson on Sunday afternoons knows that you do one thing, and one thing only, on a Hail Mary pass. Go ahead, say it with me ... "YOU KNOCK IT DOWN!" The wonderment, of course, spread from the notion that if we all know that, how in the world did Aire Justin and Xavier Hicks Jay Matthews not know it?
If only it were that simple.
Consider the following screen shot, captured at the moment when Golden Tate caught the ball (about 1:50 on the video), which I have so deftly illustrated to make my point.

The probability that Justin and Hicks Matthews could have knocked that ball down is minute -- or even nonexistent. Yes, it appears Justin is going for the catch. But I supremely doubt the outcome would have been any different had Justin or Hicks Matthews done their darndest to just get one hand up there and knock it down. This simply looks to me like a case of one team having an exceptional athlete and another team having two guys who simply don't possess the raw physical tools to make this play.
Seriously -- look at how high Tate is off the ground. We have one athlete on our active roster who could have gotten that high and made that play. And he plays on offense. Now, if you want to criticize the coaching staff for not putting him in on that defensive play, then fine.* But that's a different conversation.
* I'm not sure I buy that you could have put Jared Karstetter in, anyway. The Irish were a medium range pass away from getting into field goal position, as they still had a timeout left. The defense had to at least entertain that notion, and have a defense in that could account for that. Besides, when you start doing things like that, you often increase the likelihood of a breakdown.
Now, let me direct you to another play before bringing this back around to my overall point.
Remember that whole blocked PAT, with Chima Nwachukwu scooping up the ball and trying to run it back the other way for two? (I tried to find video, but alas, no luck.) Our 5-foot-11, 201-pound starting safety -- who started running with the ball while no one else was paying attention, and ostensibly had anywhere between a five- and 15-yard head start on the other team -- got tracked down by this guy:
And if he hadn't caught him, he was about to get caught by this guy:
This sort of thing happened over and over again throughout the game. The defensive line getting shoved around by opponents that outweighed them across the board. The offensive line flailing away at blitzers. Alex Hoffman-Ellis and Mike Ledgerwood squaring up to tackle Robert Hughes, only to meet him at the point of attack and get driven back three yards.
Which brings me to my point. Before you start pointing the finger at the coaches -- and goodness knows, I've done it enough -- please take into consideration what they're working with. I posted this numerous times on the game thread on Saturday, but it's worth repeating if you weren't there: MEN > BOYS.
There will come a day where we're once again able to compete with Notre Dame (and USC, and Oregon, and Arizona State, and ...). But as these two plays showed, we're not even in the same ballpark with these guys yet. Yeah, we can complain about scheme, and some of those points are certainly valid. However, that the coaches have been able to squeeze as much improvement out of these guys as they have this year -- facing such overwhelming physical odds -- says something.
We're heading in the right direction. It might not be as fast as you want, and you can argue that it might be a bit faster with another coaching staff. But there isn't a coach on earth that would have beat Notre Dame -- or most of the other teams on our schedule -- with what our coaching staff has to work with.
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Hmm
well on closer examination it does look like there wasn’t a lot Justin could do. I still think going up one handed would have allowed him to make a better play on the ball.
Another issue I don’t think anyone has brought up: why didn’t Hicks just hit Tate early? He should have been able to see Justin wasn’t in a good position to defend the pass and just knock Tate over. 15 yards closer due to the penalty is still Hail Mary distance, and maybe we’ll be in better position this time around.
by johnnycougar on Nov 2, 2009 11:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's a lot to think about in a millisecond.
Especially when you are trained to NOT EVER hit the guy early.
CougCenter WSU's second main blog
by Dancing Football on Nov 2, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True
I was thinking about that. It does seem to me like the coaches would have instructed the players to interfere with an open receiver, but probably the “don’t foul” instinct was too ingrained.
by johnnycougar on Nov 2, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"I still think going up one handed would have allowed him to make a better play on the ball."
Undoubtedly. But (as I know you’re intelligent enough to understand, but I’ll repeat anyway) that’s not the point of the post.
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 2, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
The larger issue certainly remains. Maybe Chima got caught because he’d just been on the field for a bunch of plays and the tight ends were fresher? But still, you’re right.
by johnnycougar on Nov 2, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Analysis aside
that play basically summed up our entire season. I’m not even sure I was mad, I was just disappointed. My girlfriend, however, was yelling at the TV and said “I bet they’ll call a penalty on us too”.
tear Ahh they grow up so fast, don’t they?
by playerkyle14 on Nov 2, 2009 11:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I blame coaches for this play based upon
rushing 3 and hanging back our LBs in deep coverage. Are you kidding me? Know your personnel. Obviously our LBs are not fast enough to cover anybody yet you have them dropping back in deep coverage. How about delay blitzing one of them in order to cut down the amount of time PC had throw. Watch that replay and the time he had and then imagine if we actually had a delayed blitz with a LB coming in at his face.
I agree Aire got out jumped and it was his fault with poor positioning. He is jumping straight up instead of jump forwarding because he wasn’t far enough back.
by ptowncoug3012 on Nov 2, 2009 12:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You're missing the entire point of the post
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 2, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't miss the pt, just didn't agree with it.
by ptowncoug3012 on Nov 3, 2009 7:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The entire point of the post is that regardless of scheme, we don't have the kinds of athletes to compete
You really just attacked scheme, with the exception of quibbling with Justin’s positioning.
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 3, 2009 8:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Men Vs Boys
I blame that solely on Wulff and his poor coaching staff. I’ve never witnessed a coach look this horrid and receive such great feedback. I was at the game on Sat…wearing Crimson and Grey…and I was utterly embarrassed. The team looked flat, slow, lacked energy, mistake after mistake…all products of poor coaching.
by FireWulff on Nov 2, 2009 12:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If that's your conclusion
Then I suppose nothing is ever going to change your mind.
FYI: There’s a reason they looked slow …
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 2, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to have heard a saying about that...
Something along the lines of coaching speed, coaching with speed, you can’t speed coach, you speed can’t coach….if only it could come to me.
Oh yeah, you can’t coach speed. Basic principle of coaching, and basic reality of the team Wulff had when he got here.
by 02Coug on Nov 2, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't coach raw talent
And we don’t have it. Now you can blame Wulff for not recruiting great talent, but the fact remains his oldest players are sophomores and sophomores don’t win games in the Pac-10. Upperclassmen do.
by Grady. on Nov 2, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Quality football players will change my mind, something Wulff has been unable to mold since he’s arrived. It would be different if I saw improvement…but I really haven’t seen enough to forgive all the games that are non competitive by the 1st quarter.
by FireWulff on Nov 2, 2009 1:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if going up one-handed
would have made a difference. But it seems clear to me he was going for the INT, which means he probably wasn’t talked to about knocking it down. Re: Hicks, I agree he should have hit him rather than going for it from behind, but that’s less an issue for me than not going for a knock down.
I have lots of issues with some of the scheming. I don’t give him “great feedback.” I just don’t hold things that he can’t be held responsible for — like him not being able to make 19 and 20 year olds play like 22 and 23 year olds or make 4.7-40 guys run like 4.4-40 guys — against him.
The team played a decent 1st quarter. They were eventually blown out by far better players. That’s what you’d expect.
by TiltingRight on Nov 2, 2009 1:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Offense Digressed
I think Tuel would be great at Central, but not in the Pac-10. He was missing WR’s all first half…what happend on that INT? I was excited as ND was hyped to be offensive defensively vs the pass. What did our #1 WR have? 2 catches?
by FireWulff on Nov 2, 2009 1:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I hope you come back around here when Jeff Tuel is an all-Pac-10 player
Because he will be.
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 2, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Our first "Fire____" username
Our little blog is growing up so fast!
by Grady. on Nov 2, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
REGRESSED! ITS REGRESSED!
I believe you’re looking for this word. That is all.
by cougfan on Nov 2, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I’m enough of a supporter to be at the game on Saturday…which I was. What an incredible scene, outside of our football team.
And Tuel is no where near a potential all pac 10 player. I’m guessing we were the only team in Pac-10 to even consider using a roster spot on him.
by FireWulff on Nov 2, 2009 1:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Negative Nancy
Tuel was recruited by a few Pac10 schools and was offered a scholarship to Fresno State. Fresno State has been to 6 bowl games in the last 8 years. That is more than we can say.
I doubt many of the WSU greats were recruited by all the Pac10 schools. WSU many times finds diamonds in the rough.
Give it some time.
by SoCalCoug on Nov 2, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am negative, how can you not be? And again, I like Tuel…I’m just seeing a guy that likely is not good enough to start for another Pac-10 team outside of the worst pac-10 team in the history of the conference. He looked really bad on Saturday…awful
by FireWulff on Nov 2, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well ... he is a TRUE FRESHMAN
What does it say about two guys recruited by the previous regime that they have gotten beaten — and outperformed — by a true freshman?
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 2, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's not even a Matt Barkley freshman
Having graduated early and enrolled last spring. He enrolled this fall. He started for one year in high school. I think he looks pretty damn amazing given all of that.
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 2, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I do hate to be so negative on Tuel, because he’s about the only decent talent this crap staff has brought in. But that’s not saying much. Tuel did look solid in that USC game.
by FireWulff on Nov 2, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Travis Long? Gino?
Bland? Simmons?
I’d say this “crap staff” has brought in more impact player in 1.5 recruiting classess than the previous staff did in several years.
by Scottie44 on Nov 2, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Barkley has an O Line.....Tuel - not so much
True freshman rarely come out and set the world on fire
by cougfan on Nov 2, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Angles - Timing
After Chima got caught from behind, I was sitting there thinking about how a DB/Safety gets caught from behind by a TE. I wish I could see a video with a better view of the whole field because we don’t know the angle the ND TE took. In football taking the right angle can make a big difference. The TE could have started running (out of camera view) while Chima was busy scooping up the ball (Chima was not at full speed at that point). Chima has to run at least a 4.6-7 and there is no way a TE runs a sub 4.5.
I think Aire could have timed the jump a little better. Watch the video, Tate leaves the ground after Aire. Tate does jump higher and that is true of most receivers compared to DB’s that is why they are receivers. Aire may have had a chance if he timed his jump right. Jay Matthews #28 actually had the best chance, he basically was standing under the ball like a punt returner…he never jumped or looked at where the offensive player was coming from. If he was aggressive and went after the ball, we wouldn’t be talking about this.
I do like Tuel, but it seems like his arm was a little weak on some throws. Especially, the one when he rolled to his left and bounce passed it to Solomon (would have been a 1st down). Another one was when he missed Johnny Fast on the deep route. Different story if those two throws are made. No one would have caught #80 the Canadian Rocket. I have to say Forzani has impressed for only playing 2 years of football. He should redshirt (if he can) next year, so his senior year he has more experience and the team is more talented.
I am giving this coaching staff some time. Eastern Washington University is not a easy place to create a winning program and this staff did that. It can translate over to D-1A, but there might be some recruiting and some tweaking to be done (coming from a formerly Division 1AA conference) and now to the Pac10. I love Doba, but he left the cupboard empty of talent. We are so depleted with talent it is not even funny. Imagine starting a program from scratch and trying to work with D-2 and D-3 talent, especially in the Pac10. Georgia State is starting a new program, but not in the Pac10 or ACC and see how long it takes them to relevant. When a player at WSU gets hurt it is devastating because we don’t have the talent to keep going without anyone noticing. If USC loses a player they just plug in a 4 or 5 star recruit and keep going. It is going to take years to build depth. I think 2011 is when we will notice a change.
We are in a impatient era of sports. There are many good coaches from the past who if they started their coaching careers in this ear would not make it. It seems like people loved Price but 7 out of the 14 years he was at WSU he had a losing record. At WSU we don’t have the luxury to go out get the Chip Kelly or Pete Carrol. We are not LA and we are not owned by Nike. Rich Rodriguez has Michigan talent and he is finally getting the program going after 2 seasons, because he is getting his type of players in his system. Who would have thought that Michigan people would have been that patient? And WSU fans can’t be that patient? Hmmmm. Yes, after Wulff gets some depth and the system well established then we can evaluate and possibly look for another coach. I am thinking after 2011. (At least the next coach will not have to deal with the depleted talent like Wulff did) One thing we do know is Wulff loves WSU and bleeds crimson and grey. You won’t be able to say that about many coaches. I thought Bennett did, but then he broke my heart. Although, I am pumped for the Bone-era….sorry I got distracted, that was a side note.
I can be tough to evaluate what the problem is. Are the players tough enough? Do they get it? Do the coaches explain things properly? Do they have the talent? Is their talent good enough to execute the plays laid out? Are they practicing too hard and getting injured? Is the strength and conditioning coach making them stronger and tougher? Does the system need to be watered down so they get it? Do they forget fundamentals when they get into games?
Another thing to remember is where we are financially. What kind of coach are we going to get right now for the money we will pay him? We might not even have enough money for scholarships next year and you want a new coach. Think rationally…Wulff is the best fit right now. Look at it through Sterk’s eyes.
Give is some time…especially if you are a WSU fan. We are not Florida, Alabama, USC, Oklahoma or Ohio State.
by SoCalCoug on Nov 2, 2009 1:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that's a long comment!
Well thought out, and well written, though. We just live in a culture of blame, and sometimes, blame just doesn’t do anything for anyone, except to make fans feel better.
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 2, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Difference between losing record and losing every game by the 1st quarter. Review the stats on our opponents score vs our score, first half only. It’s clear that the only progress made by the cougs is when coaches are letting off the pedal.
by FireWulff on Nov 2, 2009 1:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No, that is when the other teams 2nd string comes in….duh.
by SoCalCoug on Nov 2, 2009 2:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly my point, point differential is as bad as last year, in the first half. When teams are letting up on is, is where you see Wulff’s improvement. So basically, Wulff is making strides in charity time…wow, great coaching
by FireWulff on Nov 2, 2009 2:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So basically, our freshmen and sophomores are beating their freshmen and sophomores?
We are basically starting a second string, and when they mature they will be much better. Its crazy to me that people expect so much out of kids who were playing HIGH SCHOOL football last year or the year before.
by displacedcoug on Nov 2, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
Name five players on our roster who would start for another Pac-10 team this Saturday. Kenny Alfred? Andy Mattingly? That’s about it …
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 2, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That again is a Paul Wulff problem…Thanks for the back up
by FireWulff on Nov 2, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Was Wulff supposed to be recruiting before he came to WSU?
I think that is a little bit ridiculous of an expectation…
by displacedcoug on Nov 2, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He should have been able to develop 1 or 2 players in a year and a half. This is the guys 2nd year, had two offseasons. Wow, how little expectations we have out of a Pac-10 caliber football coach.
by FireWulff on Nov 2, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How, exactly, are you supposed to "develop" guys with subpar talent?
That was the whole point of this post, man.
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 2, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pac-10 caliber?
What did you want him to do, go out and grab 20 Juco guys in order to get immediate wins and condemn us to the same thing we are going through now in 2-3 years? I guess then he could have bolted for another program and we could be looking for another coach again…
by displacedcoug on Nov 2, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's just delusional...
Right now, Wulff’s players are about the only bright spot while the previous staff’s players contribute next to nothing.
Yeah, I guess Wulff should have molded Doba’s non-athletes into All Pac-10 in two years. Ugh.
by Scottie44 on Nov 2, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And you have officially obliterated any shred of credibility you had left
The older guys aren’t his recruits, dude.
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 2, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He lost it..
…a long time ago. He’s not making any sense and like you said before, his views aren’t going to change no matter how much supporting FACTS you give him.
by Wazzu Willy on Nov 3, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i have a hard time believing mattingly would start
by BigWood on Nov 2, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Mattingly would be a perfect ILB for Cal
Or any other team daring enough to run a 3-4. But, yeah — I was trying to be generous. I think you could at least make an argument that he’s good enough to start elsewhere, as he was one of the few guys who didn’t look completely overmatched out there on Saturday.
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 2, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I will take any strides right now. I think this is the most strides I have seen since Wulff has been here. If we fire Wulff who are you going to hire? Peterson from Boise State is not coming here. Pat Hill from Fresno State is not coming here. John Gruden is not coming here. What are we going to lure them with? Phase 3 of the Martin Stadium renovation…I don’t think so. Face it…Wulff is here for at least another year. That is where we are financially. Maybe you should be FireWulff2011.
by SoCalCoug on Nov 2, 2009 2:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
yes, reality is Wulff will be here 2 more years and we will be at this spot now in 2011…I hope you guys enjoy that prolonged process.
by FireWulff on Nov 2, 2009 2:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dude
First of all, please use the Subject Line. It makes it easier to go through the comments.
I just think its funny how someone with the tag ‘FireWulff’ comes in here and blasts everything we do. Really? You just joined SB Nation TODAY. I don’t want to call you a liar or anything, or start immature name calling, but I’m not so sure you were at that game. If you were, fine, then I’m wrong and I apologize. But if you want to be super negative and contradict everything Nuss is trying to say, go over to CougFan. There are plenty of those people over there.
And so what if we do suck? What does being negative about it do? Where does that get you? Fiscally, it makes zero sense to fire Wulff. Think about it, who could we hire with our budget that would do a better job? Half of the damn roster is still teenagers. Think about that. Wulff didn’t have a full recruiting “season” his first year, and his first full year last year, he brings in one of the better classes we’ve had in a while. Sure, he could have gone the Doba route, snatched up a bunch of JuCo guys and maybe won another game or kept it closer in some, but JuCo guys are band-aids. You win by recruiting HS kids and letting them develop together.
Travis Long, Gino Simone, Jeff Tuel…all true freshmen. We get to watch these kids grow into very good football players. For you to take such a ridiculously small sample size from a true freshman QB and say he’s not “Pac 10 caliber” is both erroneous and unfounded.
Look, I’m disappointed to, but if all you do is focus on the negativity, then it’s gonna look pretty damn bleak for a long time.
by playerkyle14 on Nov 2, 2009 3:32 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
eh
disappointed too*
stupid typos.
by playerkyle14 on Nov 2, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem with people disagreeing with me
Heck, ptowncoug3012 and I go around and around all the time. It’s the manner in which it’s done. The conversation has to be logical and rational. There’s no place for the message board crap around here.
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 2, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I was getting at.
Hell, I don’t agree with you all the time. But instead of saying, “Nuss, you’re an idiot and I’m right.” I’d chose to use facts and/or stats to back up an arguement. I just felt all of the negativity was sophomorish.
by playerkyle14 on Nov 2, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Correctly said Nuss. I just like being argumentative because you are always such
a positive guy.
I think we all understand "FireWulff"’s feeling of despair. Some of us look at recruits, some pt to our youth, etc. to give us hope and there is nothing wrong with that. Some of us like to wallow in despair or just complain, and there is nothing wrong with that if it makes you happy. However, calling for Wulff’s head is not realistic for this yr although I contend it wouldn’t be out of the realm of financial possibility for next yr. None of us want another TW career or even Dan Hawkins with Colorado. What a mess CU, and Hawkins brings in great recruits!
BTW: Tuel is good and if you can’t see that, you shouldn’t be evaluating PW.
by ptowncoug3012 on Nov 3, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that next year isn't out of the realm of possibility
If they don’t make some more serious strides.
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 3, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what's funny?
A lot of my friends would tell you I’m not always such a positive guy. But I do try to focus on moving forward rather than looking back, because that’s all you really can control. It absolutely sucks where we’re at, and wish to goodness we weren’t in this position. But we are, and lamenting it day after day just doesn’t seem productive (or interesting) to me.
In this case, I see reasons to think we’re heading in a positive direction. We can argue about the degree of positivity or progress, but anyone who denies progress just isn’t paying attention, or is coming from an irrational viewpoint. And you can’t reason with unreasonable people.
I like to say I’m a solution-oriented person; people focusing on “solutions” that aren’t even remotely feasible or well thought out are going to get the treatment they deserve.
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 3, 2009 9:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
First Half Results this year under Wulff
Stanford vs a Frosh QB: 22-3
Hawaii as a favorite: 35-6
SMU: 17 – 7
USC: 20-0
Oregon: 42-0
ASU: 13—0
Cal: 35 -17
ND: 30-7
214 to 40
Thus Wulff’s improvement in scoring is due to other teams giving us sympathy…and of course 3rd and 4th string competetion while attempting to run out the clock. Thus Wulff’s one main improvement in score differental is really not too impressive IMO.
One positive, the community of San Antonio did rave all weekend about Coug Fans!
by FireWulff on Nov 2, 2009 4:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Do you forget that they were playing against the same second and third stringers last year
And still losing 66-0?
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 2, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I did not forget about the carnage last season
Your comment of turnover differential, part of which can be factored as luck (as you stated) and the fact our QB is slightly compitent can show that improvement. But again, that’s only a 9 point improvement from last year. USC is far weaker than last year…as well as Cal…may also add to that.
by FireWulff on Nov 2, 2009 4:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
A nine-point improvement on defense is not small
Especially combined with a five-point improvement on offense. That’s a 14-point improvement overall. I’m not sure what you were expecting after last year.
AND PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS RIGHT AND GOOD, USE THE FREAKING REPLY BUTTON. Since someone already pointed that out to you, I’ll be deleting future comments from you that are part of a thread but don’t use the reply button. Be ye warned …
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 2, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I can't buy into the stats
Watching what I saw Saturday from Tuel, and this entire team…I wish Wulff all the luck in the World. I just cant buy into any kid wanting to come to this mess, ecspecially with how he’s handled himself. I give you great compliments on the web site…
by FireWulff on Nov 2, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then don't buy the stats
But buy the recruits. The next class looks to be as good as this class, and considering the mess we’re in that’s pretty good. We’re getting top players out of a good year in Spokane football. Key for WSU success is keeping any D1 Pac 10 talent that emerges on the eastside on the eastside. Also getting some good players from California.
If I have to guess, part of what is bugging people that are huge on a fire wulff feeling now is the drastic improvement at UW this year. And the classes they are bringing in. It’s a tough pill to swallow, but we can’t get too caught up comparing the situations. They can afford a top assistant (Sark), and afford to hire that assistant his dream assistant coordinator. We can’t. Complain all you want, but we simply can’t afford that kind of change, nor should we want it. Any big name assistant that comes to Pullman will either wash out or bolt after a good season.
Also, they had more to work with this year. An experienced and talented QB, decent lines, actual Pac 10 talent. Not as much as I’m sure the UW staff would have liked, but enough to make a mark. We don’t.
by 02Coug on Nov 2, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Except that kids ARE buying into this mess
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 2, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Evidence
Here’s something I wrote back in August: http://www.cougcenter.com/2009/8/11/984991/our-first-concrete-evidence-that
Here are last year’s Pac-10 recruiting rankings. These guys signed AFTER last year’s debacle: http://washingtonstate.scout.com/a.z?s=137&p=9&c=14&view=2&yr=2009
Here are this year’s Pac-10 recruiting rankings. Obviously, these are still in flux, but to have 16 commitments at this point is a sign that high school kids still are buying into Wulff and his staff: http://washingtonstate.scout.com/a.z?s=137&p=9&c=14&view=2&yr=2010
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 2, 2009 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think a factor not being considered
is the sexiness factor. Tuel & Simone? C’mon. If you look up ‘sexy QB/WR duo’ in the dictionary, there’s a picture of those two guys.
by playerkyle14 on Nov 2, 2009 5:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well played!
I am finally getting to watch the game on my DVR tonight, as I was at the Alamodome.
Tuel did seem to have the jitters and we did not seem to have much luck. A couple fumbles forced that ND recovered. Just missing Forzani deep. Tuel’s first two throws were off, one high, next one low. That is a sign of being geeked out. But who could blame him?
Our boys fought hard on Saturday. Met some great fans at the pre-game Alumni rally and sat behind a guy that was on the 94 Alamo Bowl team. He still bled Crimson and Grey and made the trip down to SA from Seattle with his wife. She was the lucky one wearing his 94 Alamo Bowl jersey! He only played the one year as a walkon, but seemed to be a great guy. That is what being a Coug is all about.
Our newest member needs to take a hike, we have seen the bottom and are climbing out of it. Don’t give up now!
Go Cougs!
(oh, and as much as tried to hate the ND fans, they all were pretty cool. Spent a bit of time talking and drinking with a few of them on the Riverwalk at various establishments. I can still dislike their coach and team, etc, but their fans are OK). ND and Oregon are about on par to me, but I seriously doubt one could ever say the same about the Univ of Zero and their fanbase.
by DCinSEA on Nov 3, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My first cougcenter post...
I have been following this website ever since I first heard about during the Tony Bennett debacle. Love the site, and now I feel compelled to add something of value to the conversation.
First off, I would like to say go cougs! I have been a coug my whole life and WSU was the only place I applied and ever would apply and my grades weren’t shabby.
Now, I will go on to defend Paul Wulff.
If you don’t think Paul Wulff is improving this team, you are not using your eyes. This team last year quite during every game except for the UW and Portland State games. There was no fight, and this was with a team much more experienced then this one (and players that were brought in by Doba).
At the very least, Wulff is a good recruiter and motivator. This team has not given up ONE time on us this year. They fight whistle to whistle and until the the final buzzer sounds. This is a reflection of the coach in my opinion. He has been a fighter his whole life. This man had to deal with his dad likely murdering his mom when he was growing up and he has fought through all sorts of diversity in his time since then, including his wife dying. He will NEVER quit fighting and that is something that we used to see from Cougar teams all the time, and he will bring that back to the program.
Over to the recruiting, look at the studs he has brought in! If you don’t think Tuel is a pac 10 quarterback, you are dead wrong sir. He makes better throws and makes better decisions then Jake Locker dead as a redshirt freshmen and he is a true freshmen. Gino Simone is going to be an absolute reception machine, Travis Long is already a beast, and we have even more freshmen that aren’t playing this year. I have been to numerous practices this year, and I can say with a great deal of confidence that our scout team defense is faster then our first team defense at the line backer position and at the safety position. Markle, Barrington, and Kafausi are all going to be monsters! In the secondary, Nolan Washington and Anthony Carpenter do a better job guarding Jared then most opposing corners do. As for his new recruits I can tell you one thing, Connor Halliday is going to be a great quarterback here. A coach in the GSL was recently quoted as to saying that he is the best qb to ever go through the league (and that includes Mark Rypien). He’s doing it the right way as well, with high school guys who are fighters as evidenced by the fight we have seen from this years team.
You think that scores are better this year because teams are letting up in the second half. Why would teams take it easy on us this year and not last year? That just makes no sense to me.
Anyways enough rambling for one post, GO COUGS!!
by crimson and gray on Nov 2, 2009 8:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Great, positive post
These are the type of posts that keep get me down from the ledge. Thanks! I hope that we give Wulff a chance to see his recruits become seniors. If we still suck in 2011, then we can talk about change at the head. Firing Wulff at this point would be entirely foolish, and would only set us back further. Give the guy a chance.
by Yakicoug on Nov 3, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One more thing...
That was Matthews and not Hicks behind Tate.
by crimson and gray on Nov 2, 2009 9:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You're right
Looked like 26 when I watched it the first time. Didn’t notice it was 28. I’ll fix that.
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 3, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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