STERK: We should be contending for a bowl by 2011
EDITED 2:15 p.m.
Athletics Director Jim Sterk had another one of those Cougar Chats yesterday, and while (as usual for these things) most of the responses were pretty vanilla, he did answer the inevitable question about the status of the football program:
Our staff, coaches, and players are all concerned about the lack of wins over the past two years; however, given the lack of players with longevity in the program, as well as significant injuries, it was not totally unexpected. We set about two years ago building a foundation for future success with the majority of recruits being four to five year players. They young right now, but they are a very talented group. From the looks of the commitments thus far, the February class should be even better.
No shock there; it pretty much repeats what he's said in the past.
This, however, is new:
As far as wins and losses, you could see as early as next year a winning record on the field; however, for sure by the 2011 season. Our expectations are to be in the thick of a bowl run by then.
Finally, some concrete expectations.
I think even the most optimistic Coug fan would have a hard time seeing a winning record next year; for as tough as the Pac-10 has been this season -- and I think one of the big reasons why this team has been so bad is that the top seven teams in this conference are as good as I can remember -- one could make an argument that the Pac-10 will be even better next season. Oregon, Stanford, USC and Arizona are all virtual locks to be as good or better next year than they were this year; Oregon State and Cal will simply reload; UW and UCLA are on the rise. About the only program with enormous question marks, outside of WSU, is Arizona State. This two-year run in football is reminding me of that run in 2006-07 and 2007-08 in Pac-10 basketball; if the Cougs had had better timing, they could have won a Pac-10 championship last year.
However, it makes sense that he would point to 2011. Guys who are freshmen and sophomores now will be juniors and seniors by then, and the conference ought to be cycling down somewhat. There are wins to be had this year in hoops, and there should be in 2011 in football. The cycle is inevitable. To expect that kind of significant improvement by year four seems reasonable to me.
But for those of you who think there's no way Paul Wulff should see 2011? Better wake up to reality.
There's always a risk of reading too much into a chat, but we all know Jim Sterk to be a man of careful words. He's not a blowhard, and he doesn't say anything by accident. So, I think it's reasonable to interpret the underlying subtext of what Sterk is saying as this: Wulff will be around in 2011.
From his words, he's looking at this as a four- or five-year rebuilding job, and the assumption has to be that the only thing that would cause them to change their minds is if they see something next year that leads them to believe that there's no way the team under Wulff will be contending for a bowl in year four. If the youth and injuries made this year's results "somewhat expected," then one has to believe that given the opposite condition next year Sterk will be expecting to see some improvement in terms of wins -- especially when he thinks its plausible that the team could be contending for a winning record as early as next year.
But if you're just totally convinced that Wulff's not the guy and that next year is going to be another disaster, there is still that you'll get your wish:
As with any athletic program, we go through an evaluation of the coach and the program at the end of the season. We do this not only with football but with every sport at WSU. At that time we look at the strengths of the program, as well as the areas where improvement is needed.
Let's hope this year's evaluation includes the CougCenter-endorsed plan of rearranging the assistant coaching staff.
EDIT, 2:15 p.m.: Sterk reiterated his 2011 comment with Howie Stalwick in this piece for Cougfan.com today.
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Spot On
Me thinks Sterk is spot on with his evaluation of WAZZU Football and it is great to see him articulate some clear goals down the road. I have been around long enough to see truly bad Cougar Football, and while this ranks right up there with the worst, given our lot in life as the smallest budget/in the smallest market/with the smallest stadium, it is not unexpected, eh?
Paul Wulff has been realistic from the get go and while we may not like the candor (and losses), he tells it like it is. Heck fire, I can even remember some years during Saint Mike’s regime where people were constently calling for him to be fired, yet would we not trade our souls for those years again?
The key to this whole puzzle is getting Phase III of Martin Stadium built so as to level the playing field and significantly increase revenues. This is the ONLY thing which will sustain winning football in Pullman and Sterk recognizes/preaches this at every avenue.
The question is are we listening?
Go Cougs!!
by CanyonCoug on Nov 24, 2009 11:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Willing to Risk But Not to 2011
I agree with Canyon Coug’s take on Sterk ‘finally’ laying out for us, the fans and community, what his expectations are for PW to be deemed as making progress. With the losses, bad losses, stacking up I would say it’s better late than never.
With someone asleep at the oversight wheel towards the end of Doba’s era it has made me just plain crazy that no one (ie: Sterk) had come out earlier to quell the anxiety he has helped contribute to!?!?! If we want the Phase III completed then it’s good that he has all but said that PW is on a timeline of success. I think this goes along way in relieving the understandable fears that the Admin was asleep again at the wheel. Let’s hold PW and crew to this timeline and set of markers and move forward.
The capper to this set of ‘carefully’ chosen comments by Sterk would be a win against the dawgs where we can look at it and finally say, “PW did his job. Great coaching win. The kids looked prepared, they had a game plan and they executed.”
by Longtime Coug on Nov 24, 2009 1:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah! It is a great thing that Sterk went out on a line and said
“We will be in a bowl in 2011.” What? He said “We would be contending for a bowl in 2011.” Nevermind.
by Coug1990 on Nov 24, 2009 4:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Comparison
I have been using the same comparison in many fan conversations, that the 1998/99/2000 Coug squads of Price were similar. The 1997 team was so senior laden that the next two years were grim. I recall fans calling for Mike Price’s scalp at the end of ‘99 and there was ht seat talk in 2000. Gesser’s soph team was close but no cigar, and Price losing to the Vandals in back to back years had fans p-o’d. But the OT losses in conference (3 I think) and two losses at the gun to Boise and Idaho gave us hope as we fans knew that but for a fumble or two that team would have been bowling. With graduations almost nil and a host of good sophs behind decent upper class horses… the Cougs were primed for a serious run of greatness. One win in 2 PAC seasons was tough to take on the heels of 10 wins and the Robo - but not responding to the knee jerk reactions paid off then. I believe it will now as well a lot of linemen returning and some good frosh baptism by fire to go with a pair of decent recruiting classes… probably not next year, but with a few bounces… and less key injuries, you never know. But 2011 with a great core of juniors? I don’t doubt it at all… Go Cougs!
If you can't Go Cougs... don't go.
by hollyweirdcoug on Nov 24, 2009 4:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I don't know how anyone compares the 98-00 seasons to the last 2
Sure I get the youth argument, but the on the field play right now is absolutely wretched in comparison to 98-00. Yes we lost to Idaho twice back then, which completely sucked by the way during law school, but we would be completely run over by Idaho if we played them today. It wouldn’t even be a contest.
We played bad football at times in 98-00, but just go back and look at the scores if you were not there during that time. We played competitive football more than 80% of the time.
Also, I agree with Nuss that Sterk chose his words carefully. He generally does. However, I believe he has to pt to 2011 to allow him to properly evaluate Wulff for 2010. If he says we won’t talk about 2011 until after 2010, he will scare recruits away and allow opposing teams to use that against us. At least the staff can now pt to the 2011 statement as evidence they will be around.
If we continue to get paid attendance between 10k and 16k (which includes the cheap student seats) and horrific showing on the field, the axe will fall in 2010.
I think Sterk was a bit over generous with a winning record. Honestly, I don’t see us winning more than 3 games next year, which includes Mont. St! We need to be at least competitive in the other games for Wulff to stay around. I would be surprised if the avg margin of defeat next year is less than 25 pts a game.
by ptowncoug3012 on Nov 24, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok. So I just went and got the stats for the 2 really bad seasons, 98 and 99. Night and day, night and day!!
1998 Season
Univ. of Illinois W 20-13
@BSU W 33-21
Idaho W 24-16
@CAL L 24-14
@UCLA L 49-17 (35-10 half)
UO L 51-29 (38-7 half)
USC L 42-14 (21-14 half)
ASU L 38-28
@AZ L 41-7 (24-7 half)
@Stanford L 38-28
UW L 16-9
1999 Season
@ Stanford L 54-17 (34-10 at half)
Idaho L 28-17
AZ L 30-24
CAL W 31-7
LA-LAF W 44-0
@ASU L 33-21
OSU L 27-13
@UO L 52-10 (28-3 at half)
USC L 31-28
@UW L 24-14
@Hawaii W 22-14
by ptowncoug3012 on Nov 24, 2009 6:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, yeah I agree with Sterk that we didn't win a Pac-10 game, but we lost 3
by less than 10 pts each. I would give my right arm for a 10 pt loss!!!
Let’s just face it, the past 2 seasons have likely been the worst 2 seasons ever played at WSU. The reasons for this are endless, but ultimately PW’s job comes down to performance on the field not recruits signing NLIs. Hopefully he figures out a way to win with the guys he has next year, but I am highly skeptical.
by ptowncoug3012 on Nov 24, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2011
My point with saying it’s good that Sterk has finally laid out some expectations is that up until now we haven’t heard a peep out of him or the Admin re: their expectations for wins and losses. I am, maybe naively, interpretting this as Sterk saying win at least 5 in 2010, 3 wins or less and your gone!?!? Am I crazy to hink that’s what he’s saying?
I also think I agree with Coug1990’s sentiments that we shouldn’t be in this mess to begin with. But PW is what Sterk brougyht us and we have to work with that right now due to $.
By the way a friend from OR sent me a link to a blog called “Coaches Hot Seat”,_ holy crap are they brutal man!!! The guy writing their weekly updates is really funny with his sarcasim and brutal honesty but I bet his wife thinks he needs some valium and another hobby!?!?
Go Cougs beat the dawgs!!!
by Longtime Coug on Nov 24, 2009 4:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't read it the same way...
His statement doesn’t say to me that Wulff needs to win 5 in 2010, it says to me he expects the team to be competing for a bowl in 2011. He says “our expectations are to be in the thick of a bowl run by then (2011).” That says to me that 2011 is clearly the point were Sterk will make the yes/no determination on Wulff.
Additionally, the way I read Sterk’s statment it seems clear that the only way Wulff gets fired after 2010 is if the team were to play as bad as it has the last two years AND some kind of controversy (academics, NCAA violations, etc.) takes place. In other words, Wulff has till 2011 to get it turned around.
by Scottie44 on Nov 24, 2009 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rhetoric to Get people off his own back
There is absolutely ZERO in two years of getting murdered where you can point to even winning 1 PAC 10 game by 2011, which I doubt will even happen. Sterk is saying we can’t afford to get a new coach and gives himself the out of 2011. Great move on a poker table, not sure about a football field.
by ReidForrest4Heisman on Nov 25, 2009 7:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
In the next two years almost every team in the conference
will cycle through at least half of their starters. Every year is new. I get having doubts about us getting to be better than enough of the rest of the PAC to get to a bowl game, but your hyper-negative comments are completely irrational.
The words mean very little for 2011. If we see the results we’ve already seen on the field next year, Sterk could easily reverse course.
by TiltingRight on Nov 25, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree that we have no chance of drastic improvement,
but it does worry me that we are trying to climb out of the hole of suddenly the deepest conference in the country. We are looking to improve, but so is just about every other pac 10 team.
by displacedcoug on Nov 25, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I think 2011 is at least plausible
Like TiltingRight said and I pointed out above, the conference should be cycling down a bit by then. But, there’s always the chance that it doesn’t …
by Nuss on Nov 25, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it even "PLAUSAUBLE" to lose by less than 40 next year?
We must learn to walk before we can run.
This talk of bowl games is utter non sense.
But again, great tactic to distract from the pathetic quality of football that will be displayed.
by ReidForrest4Heisman on Nov 25, 2009 7:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
This is what I mean by irrational.
Is it plausible that the Dline, LBs and DBs get bigger and stronger in the offseason, and therefore become better able to fight off blocks, make tackles and avoid certain types of injuries next season?
Of course it is.
Would that then make the Defense perform better as a whole and help keep the team within 40 points in more games?
Of course it would.
Would a spring ball, summer season of skellies and fall camp make the Oline better able to jell, and the TRUE FRESHMAN quarterback better able to manage and run the offense next year?
Of course it would.
Would a QB with more experience and a deeper understanding of the Offense be better able to move the chains, and therefore keep the opposing defense off the field even if we DON’T score?
Of course it would.
by TiltingRight on Nov 25, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
*opposing offense off the field
by TiltingRight on Nov 25, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how much better would we be if our offense could keep the opposing defense off the field?
maybe then we could score…
by displacedcoug on Nov 25, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's not get ahead of ourselves about the defense
If you go back and look at stats for teams in the bottom 10 defensively, they do not make tremendous jumps in the defensive category the next year. We have been at the bottom the last 2 years defensively, and I don’t care how big and strong we get, we will be at least 100th place or worse defensively next yr.
It is just my hope that our offense improves to the pt that we are keeping opposing teams offenses off the field. Best D is a good O!
BTW: Reid Forrest fanatic. We all understand the frustration so ranting against us does no good. Everybody here will tell you that I am not a PW supporter, but I am realistic when looking at the team and WSU’s current financial situation. It would be inopportune of Sterk to throw PW under the bus this year. We financially can’t carry 3 years and we appear to have some talented recruits as well as talented freshman on the team. I will let PW get away with the injury and youth excuses this year, but the problem I see is that we will actually get younger next yr, i.e., guys with less game experience, and will likely suffer for it causing us to be non-competitive in 80% of our games. I personally think his offensive system needs superior athletes across the board to run it, and he will not be able to get those here at WSU. Hopefully I am wrong, but after 23 games, I have yet to see any evidence to the contrary.
by ptowncoug3012 on Nov 25, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Special cases....
Our defense has their own wing at Pullman Regional Hospital.
When you’re only suiting up 14, two of which are converted from the offense, I’d say it’s a special case. Our defense should jump up ext year if only for the fact that it may finally be health.
by cougfan on Nov 25, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ReidForrest
Won’t be back until after the Apple Cup.
by Nuss on Nov 25, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you meant the player
I was pissed for a second
by cougfan on Nov 25, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thank you mr sterk
For telling me in advance the $1500 ill drop for my seats next year will be for another throwaway season…
by BigWood on Nov 25, 2009 1:22 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs

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