Behind the closed doors: Your first sneak peek at hoops in action
Before each season, the basketball team usually holds a closed-door scrimmage against another school to get some live action against someone other than themselves. This year, that scrimmage took place against Montana in Spokane on Friday night. Details in mainstream media outlets have been light, because per NCAA rules, no media are allowed to attend.
That didn't stop us, however, from getting in touch with someone who was in attendance who was willing to share with us what he* saw transpire against the Griz.
* She? You'll never know! However, going with the generic male reference is just simpler, so we'll stick with that.
It's fantastic stuff from a guy who knows his hoops, and ought to give you a sense of what you'll see out of this team when it tips off for its exhibition game on Monday -- especially in how the team might look a lot different than what we've grown accustomed to over the past six years. Here's what he had to say.
First off, he said Klay Thompson and Nikola Koprivica didn't play. He didn't say why, but thought he heard someone say they were sick. So, any further analysis about style or pace of play has be interpreted in that context.
On offensive tempo: "The first thing you have to take into account is that Klay wasn't playing. They started two young guys, one of which was John Allen, and he was terrible. I mean, average at best. [he the other starter at guard was Marcus Capers, which would make sense]. Once Reggie Moore came in for (Allen), the tempo picked up a lot. That's one of the things Moore will change for the Cougs. He can push the tempo in a controlled fashion."
On whether the Cougs pushed the ball only at opportunity, or pushed with a purpose: "When Reggie got in, it was push with a purpose. When the other kid was in, they didn't push it at all. So I guess that gets back to my original point that with the right personnel in the game, they will want to push, and I think they can push."
On defensive style: "I saw a lot of pack, mostly just standard man to man. They didn't really have a call for it. They just ran it. [Meaning, it was their default, base defense.] Heels to the line, make you shoot over the top. They did do a little more trying to at least contest entry passes and wing passes versus just letting the opponent have it as in years past. They weren't in full denial, as they would still contest shots with their heels at 3-point line.
On mixing it up defensively: "I'd say about 10 to 15 percent of the time picked it up at three-quarter court. That seemed to be a little more of a tactical thing than a style-of-play kind of thing. Montana has a point guard [Anthony Johnson] who is real good, and they were trying to get the ball out his hands. ...
"The one thing I did notice is that they doubled the post every time it went in. Montana had a height advantage; not an athletic height advantage, but just a height advantage. It came right away, every time, and it was called from the bench, but I think his call was more to remind people that they needed to zone up on the back side than being the actual double team call."
On DeAngelo Casto: "He is huge. He's added 10-15 pounds of muscle since I saw him last. While he's yet to add the 15-foot jumper to his game, he's improved around the rim and can score without dunking. He scored six of the first eight points of the scrimmage. He seems to have really improved his touch around the basket to the point where he doesn't have to dunk everything."
On the new guys: "I was impressed with Reggie Moore and Brock Motum."
On Moore: "Moore handled the opposing guards well on both ends. He was able to penetrate at times even when everybody knew he was going to go to the rim. He was definitely the only guy I saw who could do that for the Cougs. I can see Casto getting some monster dunks this year off of Moore's drives. ...
"I don't remember him taking anything more than a 12- or 15-foot jumper. I think there were two or three times where the shot clock got below 10 and they just went with a high screen and roll and it was his option to either pass or drive, and all three times he got to the rim and either made it or got to the line. He can definitely finish at or above the rim."
On Motum: "Motum was physically impressive in that he's legitimately 6-9 and might just have a 7-0 wingspan. He can step out and hit a three, and is strong on the defensive glass. He was very savvy for a young guy."
On Ken Bone: "I was also genuinely impressed with Bone. The kids seem to like him, and I like the stuff he's running. Everybody who stepped on the floor gave great effort on both ends. ...
"Style wise, it seems like he's trying to play athletically, but without athletes. Reggie fits into that, Casto fits into that ... but it just seemed like they were only one or two athletes better than Montana, who's a good Big Sky school, but certainly not Pac-10. Reggie was obviously the best guard in the gym, but (Montana's) two starters could have played for WSU and fit in -- at least, without Klay in there.
"The impression I left with of the roster as a whole is that they might be a guard short."
That was about it. If you're interested in the final score, he couldn't say exactly, but said the Cougs "won" by double digits. Just remember, though -- Grippi reported last year that the Cougs got run by Bone's Portland State squad. So take these scrimmages for what they're worth.
So, what in here do I think is of note? One of the big things is that Moore is the real deal. (I have no idea why he wasn't starting, but I wouldn't read anything into it.) Anthony Johnson is a very good guard, Big Sky or not, and to say that Moore was obviously the best guard on the floor is really, really saying something. This is a team that desperately needs not only a guy who can penetrate -- Taylor Rochestie could do that -- but a guy who can finish or draw a foul when he gets there.
It doesn't surprise me one bit that Bone would try to mix things up defensively to gain an advantage. For six years, we watched the Bennetts, who believed in their system the way Vince Lombardi believed in his sweep. Their teams were going to do what they do, and believed that their key to success was doing that one thing so ridiculously well that it was sufficient. Adding wrinkles would only confuse the lads and make the bread and butter less effective.
Well, Bone is much more of what you might call a mad scientist -- much more like a guy like Bill Walsh, if we're to continue the football analogy. He's going to look for any possible way to exploit a team's weakness and attack it. That can be both good and bad. When dealing with such a young roster, you run the risk of doing exactly what the Bennetts hoped to avoid: Confusing kids to the point that they become a jack of many trades, but master of none, and thus mediocre overall.
Lastly, the observation of Bone's style versus the roster he has I think is an astute one. Bone said from day one after watching this roster work out last spring that they need more Pac-10 caliber athletes. Coug fans might have bristled at that a bit, given the success we had under the Bennetts. But it makes sense in the context of the way Bone wants to play, although it certainly won't do anything to quell those who wonder if we can even be successful under Bone's system, or whether we need a Bennett-type system to compete in Pullman.
What do I think that means? I think it means that I'd be fairly surprised if you don't see a little bit of roster turnover at the end of this year. I'll be shocked if Patrick Simon is the only freshman next year. They desperately need another big man, and I wouldn't be surprised if they go after another athletic guard, too. I suppose it depends on how certain guys develop.
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Great stuff
With the way things are going it is difficult to not get excited about hoops. Reggie Moore is the kind of guard from Seattle that never would even sniff WSUs way. He has solid size and is definitely going to be fun to watch as he grows. He’s a really nice athlete and Motum is no slug as well. You put those 2 on the court with Thompson and Casto and you have about as much talent and skill as we have seen since I don’t know when. They all are in my eventual lineup no matter who starts out the year.
As for Capers I actually saw a post that he had a good game and was hitting his shots so I am not sure what to think now. Capers’ is absolutely not a point guard. I don’t have a good idea who to go with for that last spot. I think it comes down to Capers, Harthun, Thames, or I guess John Allen. I hadn’t really factored him as even a rotation guy but he can shoot and handle as a high school point. If he takes care of the ball and can help to push it a bit he could work his way in to the lineup.
My lineup guess (again, in time):
PG: Moore
2G: Thames
SF: Thompson
F: Motum
F: Casto
Rotation: Harthun, Capers, Lodwick, Watson, Enquist
Bone still feels like a great fit and I don’t see us done recruiting for next year either. I agree roster turnover is most likely down the road.
Fluid early but I bet it becomes more set
We know Moore, Thompson, and Casto are pretty much set. Unless Watson figures it out I’m betting Motum plays next to Casto. I could see the other spot being game-by-game. I just don’e see an automatic option at the 2-guard spot. Capers has to improve his offense, Harthun could be a liability on defense, and Thames might not give as much shooting as Bone would like.
Anyway, interesting to think about.
Koprivica?
You really don’t think he’ll play at all?? I know he isn’t exactly the most popular player around here, but I really think he’ll start.
Vince Grippi said that he had heard Capers had a good game
So, who really knows. I guess Marv and Dave Harshman were at yesterday’s practice as well. I hate to say it, but I am ready to stop thinking about football and focus on basketball.
Capers
The guy had to be talking about John Allen being terrbile not Capers. Very hard to think Grippi is saying Capers played well and someone else thought he was average. I could see something thinking John Allen is average however. I’m not to worried about that.
Just getting into complete speculation, but could the source
be confusing Capers and Thames? And isn’t Jon Allen a white kid? Also, it seems like the guy knew who Jon was.
by ptowncoug3012 on Nov 4, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
Nuss, posted at the same and now that I re-read the guys
article and I see the confusion with the bracketed wording.
by ptowncoug3012 on Nov 4, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Just wait...
I can see this years team having around the same record as last, a few disappointing games, a few surprise wins but with this youth that is expected but just wait!!! Next years team should be great, the year after (barring everyone stays) will be elite. All these players being juniors and seniors. It’s crazy to think about how good this team can be.
Portland State
I don’t think we have to worry about Bone confusing these kids with trying to switch things up, like the Bennetts think happens if you get away from your bread and butter. Bone has a lot of coaching experience. He has more coaching experience than Tony. The guy is 50 years old and has been coaching 1984. He coached 4 yrs at PSU and in the last 2 he took them to the NCAA tourney. I wouldn’t say he confused the PSU players. It sounds like he got the type of players he needed at PSU (within 2 yrs) and then they wen to the Tourney. Check out this article on Bone…it is a good one.
I thought I would hear more about Thames, because Bennett recruited him hard.
He's not that familiar with the WSU roster from top to bottom
He mostly noticed guys who stood out for one reason or another. I think if you combine that with Harmeling’s take on the new guys over at Cougfan, it sounds like Thames still has some maturing to do on the basketball court. We might have been overselling his ability to contribute immediately.
Remember, people were sure that Harthun was going to be an immediate contributor. He was the “jewel” of that recruiting class initially. Sometimes guys have to adjust.
Good point about Thames
Thames was recruited by Tony to play defense and a slow down offense. While he may have been ready to play that style right away, he just might not be ready to play at the tempo that Bone wants right now.
Guard short?
Yya, that guard is Klay Thompson. I hear he might be ok.
He is probably referring to the point guard position.
Sounds like Reggie Moore may be our only viable candidate there right now. Remember how poorly this team handled the press last year? That is pretty scary.
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Guard short
ya, i remember. i would like to think Thames (if as good as advertised) and Mike H. can handle that a bit. i guess we will just have to wait until Nov. 9th to find out.
Great Post!!!!
Like everyone else it seems, I am ready to move on from this horrible football season to basketball. I personally think this team might be better then the so called “experts” are predicting. I would not be surprised if the young players all come together and we do not suffer any major injuries and Klay has indeed taken his game up a level that we finish 4th or 5th in the conference. The team is being knocked for being young and having a new coach, but for once most of our young players have talent and its not like Coach Bone is some young kid who never coached anywhere before.
I agree with the last paragraph were you mention there could be some turnover after this year. I have thought about that a couple times……some of these younger bench players singed by Bennett that might not fit into Bone’s style of play might decide to go elsewhere for more playing time….which if does happen, hopefully Bone is able to replace them with much needed front court help.
This could be a very exciting winter for Cougar sports as the Womens team also looks pretty good.
GO COUGS!!!!!
Re: roster turnover
WSU has no available scholarships for next year right now, so I presume you mean cutting guys from the team?
This is something I’ve been wondering about for a while. What exactly are the rules on releasing scholarships? When can you actually cut a guy?
There have to be some limitations, right? Otherwise why do teams keep seniors who barely play around on their rosters? Why not just cut them loose and go for a player with higher upside?
Is it really just the honor system for teams generally not to cut guys unless there’s some kind of misconduct?
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
There are no limitations.
Scholarships are a year-to-year commitment. Now, most coaches don’t go running around cutting guys, because that just reflects poorly on the program and is going to make it harder to recruit. But sometimes guys are gently nudged out the door, especially when there are new coaches and it’s clear that a guy doesn’t fit in the new coach’s plans. Most of the time, it’s a mutual decision. I could definitely see that happening with this roster, given the glut at the guard position.
Graduation rate is also a factor.
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by Craig Powers on Nov 5, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions

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