You wanted a basketball coach to recruit the Northwest? You got it (for better or worse)
A lot of time, the generic "chats" on wsucougars.com, which are just Q&A sessions with fans, are boring and bland. This one is not, as Ken Bone gives some very telling responses to some of the questions. Here's a sneak peek:
Q: "Why do you plan on stressing offense and a fast style when the past two years, defense and a slow game worked so well for the Cougs?"
A: "Kenny, I've had decent success over the years of coaching a certain style and it was not a slow-paced offense or a packed-in defense. I think most kids would prefer to play an up-tempo style and I believe it is also more entertaining for the fans. To be able to recruit in the Northwest I believe we are going to need to be able to sell our style of play, and playing slow has not been beneficial to recruiting Northwest kids. That's not to take anything away from the way the Cougars have played because obviously the Bennetts had success with their style, but my recruiting contacts are in the Northwest and we need to be able to sell a faster style of play."
The last coach that had success recruiting the Northwest was a guy who eventually bolted for Norman, Okla., then Bloomington, Ind., before being banned by the NCAA for illegal recruiting practices. (I'll let you draw your own conclusion from this.)
I gotta be honest: The idea of hanging our hats on recruiting the Northwest scares the heck out of me. I understand that the Northwest is all Bone really knows, and that he does have extensive contacts up here. But holy cow -- trying to win recruiting battles year after year against Washington and Gonzaga is a recipe for either spectacular success ... or spectacular failure.
Maybe Bone is some kind of Pied Piper. Early signs are good. But this seems like an awfully risky stance.
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One other thought.
Anyone else getting the vibe that he’s starting to get a little tired of all the comparisons between him and the previous regime?
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 6, 2009 10:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I definitely think he wants to come in and leave his mark early. He is tempering expectations, but it’s clear he wants to do his own thing and I support that. As for Northwest recruiting, there are so many talented kids up here and especially in the Seattle area that we should be fine, especially with the edge that we don’t really have slots available for the 2010 class, so we can focus heavily on getting 2011 and 2012 guys.
If the system works, it will appeal more to the city kids. He says his ties here are in Washington, but I’m sure that doesn’t limit us or hurt us in recruiting California and Oregon kids as well. If the program continues to grow and the style of play proves to be affective, they should be able to recruit just fine.
by MattPD on Nov 6, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're right.
I just don’t know that there are that many impact players — ones that want to come to WSU instead of UW.
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 6, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Expecially when a lot of the real big names end up leaving the state
Peyton Siva, Terrence Williams, Avery Bradley …
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 6, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Recruiting in basketball
Players are much more likely to leave out of state in basketball due to roster and scholarship limitations though with their only being 12 players on a team usually. But I do see your point, but I wouldn’t read too much into the Washington connections in terms of it being a limitation. They have recruited well out of California as well.
Bone’s expertise in Washington recruiting should be seen as a positive. Also now he has a Pac-10 program to recruit players to, more recruits will want to come play for him now as opposed to when he was at Portland St. So in that sense, recruiting should open up to him naturally in other places.
by MattPD on Nov 6, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope it didn't appear that I was painting his Northwest ties as a negative
It’s not. I just get scared when we start talking about making that the foundation. I’m just not sure there is enough impact talent to go around, especially when you’re trying to convince a kid from Seattle or Tacoma to come to Pullman.
But you’re right: Scholarship limitations can work in our favor on this one. They can’t all go to Washington …
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 6, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is you're still a little gunshy from Doba's recruiting
We thought we could compete directly against the big boys and got burned. But luckily (MattPD pointed out) there are a lot more quality players to go around in basketball.
by johnnycougar on Nov 6, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I see what you're saying
It’s not a negative, but I get the kind of putting all your eggs in one basket, especially when their aren’t that many players to go around. Hopefully it works out better for us. As long as Bone and Co. don’t ignore focusing on out of state recruiting, hopefully we’ll be okay.
by MattPD on Nov 6, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I do agree though
That a lot of the good players do seem to leave the state. Hopefully we can nab one or two of those guys in the future once the program has built its legs under Bones system.
by MattPD on Nov 6, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sampson was banned?
I knew he got into more trouble, didn’t realize he had been banned.
by coug2828 on Nov 6, 2009 10:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I didn't want a coach to recruit the northwest
Actually, I really don’t care where the kids come from. Maybe Lithuania is the new international hotbed for recruits, who knows?
As long as we can get quality recruits, I’ll be happy. That said… don’t UW and Gonzaga already play uptempo style? One of the things I enjoyed the last few years was having a totally different style, one where you could get a totally different kind of recruit. I know that’s what we get for hiring Bone, but I’m not sure what the selling point for Pullman is if we’re basically an inferior brand of the better teams in Washington (or so the other teams will say). I’d hoped Bone would try to keep that Bennett fundamental family atmosphere thing going because it fits Pullman so well.
I guess we’ll see over the next few years. One thing I totally agree on, it will be more exciting for the average fan.
by johnnycougar on Nov 6, 2009 11:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Very True
There was something to be said about Bennett’s system in that we always knew we had a chance, because we would keep the score close. His style of coaching would frustrate teams and cause them to play a different way. Now with Bone we lose that and we’ll have to beat Gonzaga and UW at their own game.
It’s a dangerous gamble. We probably will not beat UW this year, but I do see a chance at beating Gonzaga. They lost a lot of talent as well and beating them or UW for that matter in Bone’s first year would go a long way to boosting the confidence in the system
by MattPD on Nov 6, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"uptempo" is a broad term ...
… there can be many styles that fit underneath that umbrella. UW plays a smallish “uptempo” style that involves full court D, rebounding as a priority and player movement / slashing to the basket. contrast that to a Zags “uptempo” style that involves more variety on defensive looks and a higher dependence on ball movement / outside shooting.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
by Gekko Mojo on Nov 6, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The NW is a priority
It’s a tough nut to crack for all the comments on this board. Most of the elite talent is in Seattle and many more times than not they are going out of state or to the UW. Maybe Bone gets in on the second tier guy. Reggie Moore was probably on that level out of high school and he was able to keep him away from other Pac 10 programs.
I think Bone will figure out the right player to go after. It won’t hurt having Moore on the roster but we will see if he does any better than every other coach that has been through Pullman.
by BornCoug on Nov 6, 2009 12:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well, WSU still has the Australia pipeline intact
I am a little nervous as well if Bone mainly focuses on instate. I know Tony’s assistant’s spent a lot of time on the road, I wonder if Bone’s assistant’s will do the same.
By the way, I think Bone is a better game coach than either Romar or Few, which can narrow the gap, but talent will win out in the end.
by Coug1990 on Nov 6, 2009 12:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He's a better game coach than Bennett, too.
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 6, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Very true
It isn’t a coincidence that the uw struggled for a few years after he left.
I am glad that Bone is being forceful that he is going to play his way. He can’t look back in a few years and say that he he failed because he did not use his own system.
by Coug1990 on Nov 6, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He does not lack for confidence, that's for sure
Which I love, by the way.
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 6, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm really excited about that...
Bennett made some small halftime adjustments (in his first two years), but the first half always seemed like a practice fun. It seemed like every game started with the same game plan, so I excited to see some diversity in the play calling.
by james_WSU on Nov 6, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My post didn't come out quitel like I meant
Bone is a better game day coach than most in the Pac 10. Sendek, Howland and Montgomery I think are better. Miller, Robinson and Bone are next. WSU has a good coach, we just need to find out if he can bring quality players to Pullman.
by Coug1990 on Nov 6, 2009 1:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I absolutely would not put Sendek in the class of Howland and Montgomery
I mean really — how hard was it to play James Harden 39 minutes a night and have him take 22 shots while sitting back in the same tired zone?
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 6, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
This year will help define how good Sendek really is.
by 907coug on Nov 6, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NC State fans will tell you ...
He’s not very good. But then again, they haven’t been any better since he left.
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 6, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't say Bone having established connection in the NW is bad...
Thinking back to when TB came over with DB. Those guys weren’t West Coast guys. How many established recruiting connections do you think Tony had on the West Coast? Think of his first few recruiting classes those guys came from all over. The way I see it, Bone will use his established connections to try to pick up some big recruits while he and his staff work on building more connections out of state. Just my thoughts.
by 907coug on Nov 6, 2009 2:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
My take
For WSU to really have success, they need to recruit the NW and the nation. Dick Bennett always felt you drew from the largest circle when you’re trying to rebuild: if you go to Hawai’i, Australia, Texas, the East Coast, wherever, you have to do it. But once you’ve rebuilt the circle draws narrower and you can focus a little closer to home.
The point is this: there is a metric ton of talent in the northwest, and we’ve already rebuilt the program to a solid position. Bone should focus on the northwest, but at the same time he absolutely cannot be afraid to look elsewhere. Hopefully, in particular, Ben Johnson keeps the AIS pipeline going.
by Grady. on Nov 6, 2009 7:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
NorthWest Hotbed
I have read many times that the Seattle area is a hotbed for basketball recruiting. We have had a lot of good players come out of the state in the last decade…Roy, Robinson, Williams, Crawford, Terry, Stuckey, Dickerson, etc. So, I am not worried about Bone and his recruiting and I am sure he will look other places besides just Washington. I have also read that Bone is the real deal when it comes to the offense. He is great at game planning. When he was an assistant for Romar he is the one who made the offense go. When he left it really hurt Romar for a while. We will almost forget who TB was in 4 years. I loved Bennett, but he really didn’t do much in game planning, he just made sure they stuck with the pack defense. He also had Kyle Weaver on defense. I questioned a few in-game decisions TB made last year. I also felt like Casto was a caged beast last year. Get ready for Reggie throwing alley oops to Casto. Showtime Baby. The ZZuCrew will doing a lot more jumping around in the coming years. Playing in the Pac10 is still playing in the Pac10, whether you are in Pullman or Seattle. We all play the same teams. I have a feeling Bone will finish his career here. By the way he also builds a family atmosphere like Tony.
by SoCalCoug on Nov 6, 2009 10:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Can't say losing Bone was what hurt Romar
When after Bone left Romar took his team to the Sweet 16. What really hurt was the loss of players like Brandon Roy, Bobby Jones, Nate Robinson and Will Conroy in the span of a couple years and having to replace them with underclassmen.
by thecassino on Nov 7, 2009 10:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

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