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What we learned last night

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We all had the sneaking suspicion that last night's game at the crucible of K2 would tell us a lot about the Cougs after they more or less stomped lesser competition for the first six games in what looks like a masterful bit of scheduling -- three cupcakes at home, a game against a lesser opponent on the road, a game against a lesser opponent on a neutral site, and finally a game against a little bit better (but still overmatched) opponent on a neutral floor.

Well, the game delivered as promised. We learned a heck of a lot last night -- most of it positive. Buckle up, because I've got a lot of stuff floating around in my head.

Gonzaga is exactly who we thought they were. I'm not going to talk a whole lot about the Bulldogs, because you know where you can go to get that stuff.  But it's important to note because all of the rest of the analysis of the Cougs has to be put in the context of Gonzaga being a pretty darn good team -- especially defensively.

It might have taken 32 minutes for them to show up, but there is no question this is the best defensive Gonzaga team I've seen since I've paid attention to them. They've had good statistical defensive teams in the past, but that was built mostly on overwhelming physically overmatched WCC opponents. When it came time to play the big boys, they got torched. Those teams just didn't pass the eye test. This team passes the eye test.

However, if I was a Gonzaga fan, I might be just a tad bit worried about my offense. Without a reliable trigger man at the point -- a signature of Bulldog basketball over the years -- they look like they might struggle from time to time on that end.

Now, on to the Cougs.

Star-divide

This Cougar team is clearly -- CLEARLY -- better off with Ken Bone as coach than Tony Bennett right now. When the Cougars' offense is rolling, as it was in the first half last night, it's truly a sight to behold. The Cougs only finished with a 95.7 offensive rating, but you can largely chalk that up to scoring just six points over the final nine-plus minutes (minus the meaningless 3-pointer at the buzzer. Quick math tells us that the team's efficiency probably was around 110 up until that point. That's awesome against a team like Gonzaga.

But can you imagine what this team would look like if Bennett were still coach? Walking it up the floor, awkward half court sets, everyone hesitating to shoot lest you find yourself right back on the bench? Offensive efficiencies hovering around 100 every night? Yeah, me neither.

With Bennett, we'd be talking about these guys being good in two years when they're seniors and juniors -- you know, when they've finally got Bennett ball "down." With Bone, we've got a team that's explosive on offense and is getting better every game on defense. Additionally, I think it's already becoming obvious that Bone is Bennett's superior as a game coach. At some point this year, we'll be talking about how the Cougs got a win thanks to some shrewd game plan or in-game decision from Bone. It almost happened last night.

When the year started, I was hesitant about Bone Ball -- felt like we were just too loose and undisciplined on both ends of the floor -- but I get more excited with each passing game. They're improving rapidly, and he's getting these guys to play to their strengths. I'm not going to make any bold pronounciations about whether he'll be better long term than Bennett would have been. But right now? I'm soooooo happy he's our coach.

The defense still needs some work. The Cougs are still having difficulty finding shooters in the open floor. In general, they did a better job fighting through screens -- although, as noted by some of our commenters, their technique could be better at times -- but they're still just too slow closing out on shooters. There's no reason why an average 3-point shooter should be able to get as many open looks as Matt Bouldin got. But they are making strides. Holding Gonzaga to around a 102 efficiency is nothing to sneeze at. These guys are getting incrementally better.

This team is just one legitimate big man away from being very, very good. That would be great news, if this team had a legitimate big man hanging out somewhere, either on the bench or waiting in the wings for next year. But since we don't, we're just going to have to be content with being pretty good this year, and pray to whatever god you believe in that Ken Bone can dig up a big man for next year's team.

Being loaded at guard can only take you so far if you don't have a frontcourt to do some of the dirty work. Yeah, we were able to run out to a big lead last night while generating turnovers and picking up a pile of loose-ball rebounds thanks to our guards crashing down on the boards. But when the game slowed down and Gonzaga started to get the ball to Elias Harris -- who is going to be an absolute beast when he learns to play hard for 40 minutes -- and decided to really crash the boards, the Cougs were pretty much powerless to stop them. It's going to be a point of frustration all year, and we've got to hope that our guards can make the difference more nights than not.

Honestly, the more I think about it, the more irritated I get that we don't have another quality big man on the roster. For all of the great things Tony Bennett did for this program, his infatuation with recruiting guards has left us in this untenable position.

Here is a list of frontcourt Bennett landed since 2007 (height/weight when recruited): Charlie Enquist (6-10/190), Fabian Boeke (6-10/225), James Watson (6-7/205), DeAngelo Casto (6-8/240), Brock Motum (6-9/215). He signed just five frontcourt players in three years, only one of which could be considered a legitimate Pac-10 big man. Sure, people thought Boeke would be around, but I think the fact that Casto more or less fell into his lap during the late signing period after qualifying at the 11th hour in 2008 more than makes up for that.

I know big men don't grow on trees, and I'm thankful for some of the guards he brought in. But it really was an inexcusable fail in recruiting that Bone and his players are paying for this year.

On a related note, Bone's got a heck of a dilemma on his hands at the 4 spot. Abe Lodwick has started every game at the 4; Nik Koprivica has been his primary relief. When Koprivica's in the game, the offense is better, as is the man-to-man defense. When Lodwick's in the game, the rebounding is better -- he's putting up better rebounding numbers in these seven games than Caleb Forrest did all of last year.

Last night, Bone elected to roll with Koprivica virtually the entire second half, probably the only decision all night I'm not sure I agreed with. We were getting killed so badly on the boards, and it sure seemed like we could have used Abe in there. Yet, Bone elected to stay with Koprivica. He seems to not want to play these two guys on the floor at the same time, so it's going to be interesting to see how he manages these two guys.

This team will be better off for having lost that game than they would have been had they won with Klay bailing them out again. Of course, nobody ever wants to lose. But sometimes you learn things in losing that you don't learn in winning. Both Reggie Moore and Marcus Capers said the Cougs didn't finish the game strong after racing out to the big lead. That's the second time it's happened this year. Against EWU, they were bailed out by Klay Thompson. No such luck last night, with Klay being locked down by the Zags' defense.

If this game ends up teaching them how to keep their foot on the gas for 40 minutes, then it will have been worth it. How different might last night have been if they had kept up the intensity enough to take care of the basketball down the stretch and continue to aggressively drive into the lane? They would have won even without Klay, and that's what this team needs to learn.

Besides, if the Cougs are in the mix for a Tournament berth in March, this will hardly be considered a bad loss.

Klay Thompson is still very much a work in progress. We wondered what would happen when Klay finally played an opponent with the length and athleticism to bother his shot. We found out -- 6-of-21 shooting for an ineffective 15 points. Steven Gray was physical with him all night long, working to deny Klay the ball as much as possible. When he did get the ball, he could hardly get off a shot.

It was painfully clear last night that if this team wants Klay to continue to perform at a high level when they're playing a quality opponent, he's going to have to work harder to get open -- seriously, he should get some videos of Stephen Curry and study them -- and his teammates are going to have to be more in tune with getting him the ball  in spots where he can score. Not that this is all bad; if there's one thing Klay has shown over the last two years, it's that he learns from game to game -- not month to month or year to year. Again, there's no doubt in my mind the Cougs will grow from this.

Truthfully, Gray is probably going to be one of the better defenders Klay sees this  year. But if you were worried about Klay leaving at the end of the year, last night should make you feel a little better. If I'm an NBA GM watching last night's game, I'm thinking Klay's still got some work to do.

Lastly, Greg Heister and Craig Ehlo suck. More specifically, they suck at being objective. It's not that they necessarily call a bad game, it's just that they try to represent this total farce of a facade of objectivity. I mean, on one possession, it looked like there was a foul down low on a Gonzaga player and Heister said, "Was that a foul? It better be a foul!" He tried backtracking later, but why pretend? If FSN is going to go so cheap that they can't send one of their better (a relative term, I know) announcing teams to Spokane, then just be a homer. It's fine with me. But quit pretending.

Especially Ehlo. For goodness sakes, Craig -- we know you're a Zag now. We know that the only WSU player you really know anything about is Casto because he grew up in Spokane. We get it. You are a Spokane guy who's closer to the Gonzaga program. Fine. Just drop the pretenses, and say you don't follow the Cougs all that closely, OK? Because it's really obvious

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Great write up

I really think this is a game this team will learn from, I like how you said this team is better off losing than they would have been winning with Klay baling them out. We cannot depend on Klay all the time and this was a good lesson for them and I think this team is smart enough to learn from it as evident by how they responded after the Nicholls State game. Like you, I am glad that is is Bone coaching this team and not Bennett right now as Bone’s system fits these players better then Bennett’s would as it would have taken him two years to break them down and then build them back up into what he wanted. Kudos for pointing out the flaw in Bennett’s recruiting – also he had a fascination with left handed guards like him – and it sure would be nice to have a big man to play alongside Casto right now, can you imagine if Baynes had one more year left and was playing with this team…..he is the missing piece we need.

Lastly, thanks for saying that about Heister and Ehlo as that was a horribly called game if they were trying to be objective, hell it was horrible even if they weren’t. Ehlo is about the most annoying person on tv right now and he is coming dangerously close to Brian Davis territory. It is a shame FSN was to cheap to send out a good crew and a few HD cameras for one of the best match ups they will show this year. Maybe they can split FSN up to have FSN Seattle and then FSN for the rest of the Northwest.

by spokanecougar on Dec 3, 2009 11:56 PM PST reply actions  

Good post

Ehlo kept trying to drop information about the Cougs and I kept shaking my head with how off the mark it was.

The defense seems to have a learning curve that is moving upward more and more lately. We started horrific but now have flashes of brilliance. If they can put it together, we’ll be happy as hell with how Bone runs the defense. The first half they were jump the passing lanes and creating turnovers in rapid fire succession. Few adjusted well and the results were obvious.

I think Bone is still trying to figure out which players to play when and who to have on the court at the same time. Klay, Reggie, and Dee are staples but the other two spots are more or less fluid. Someone, two someones, need to step up and lock those spots up. The 4 is going to be fluid most of the year, though, depending on matchups.

We’re looking good in a wide open pac-10. We’ll know more after Saturday. By the way, 0 for 3 in the pac-10 challenge and the second day in a row the pac has gone winless. Great

by Brian Floyd on Dec 3, 2009 11:57 PM PST reply actions  

The Pac-10 might honestly get shut out

Tomorrow is going to be a VERY tough game for us. If we can get that one, I’m feeling pretty darn good about this team.

by Jeff Nusser on Dec 4, 2009 6:11 AM PST up reply actions  

great post

agree with all points and am glad you touched on the announcers. we win @ K State and I am going to be feeling very good about us this season.

by donkeyjon12 on Dec 4, 2009 8:47 AM PST reply actions  

It's doable

They do have some weaknesses. And, they like to run — which is good for the Cougs.

by Jeff Nusser on Dec 4, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Good post as always.

Actually I think Coach Bone made a couple other blunders in addition to the Kop/Lodwick 2nd half issue.
Go back to about the 6 min mark of the 2nd half and watch DC. He was physically exhausted. IMHO Bone had 2 options, start taking some timeouts or sit him. He did neither.
Additionally, if such a young team he should have been calling timeouts left and right to reign them in a bit. Slip screens were killing us on the defensive side, and we struggled to compose ourselves on the offensive end and would have been nice to have some TOs to run some better designed plays.
But I honestly can’t complain about the result because it is better than I expected. It just sucks to be up by so much to see it peetered away.

by ptowncoug3012 on Dec 4, 2009 10:12 AM PST reply actions  

There's also something to be said for letting a team learn how to find its own way during a tough game

I lean HEAVILY toward that philosophy as a teacher/coach. It pays of in spades later. Not saying that’s what he was doing, because maybe he was just asleep at the wheel, but I didn’t really have a problem with it.

by Jeff Nusser on Dec 4, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with you Nuss about letting a team find its way

Also, regarding leaving Casto in the game in that situation, you leave him in as he learns 1) how to play when he is exhausted, 2) it will help him get into better shape for later in the season.

Leaving Casto in is a part of getting him into basketball game shape. If Bone takes him out, he will always get to the wall at the 6 minute mark. By leaving him in the game, his body will adjust and eventually he won’t be tired at that point anymore.

by Coug1990 on Dec 4, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

You must hang out with Phil Jackson.

I do like Phil’s philosophy on letting guys work through it, but let’s look at the differences:
1. Phil’s working with NBA guys who generally know how to figure things out
2. The team on the floor except for Kop was not older than Sophs
3. This is only the 7th game for the players in Bone’s system.
If we had TR, I would have probably been ok with the hands off approach because you would have had a general on the floor capable of getting the game back under control. Kop is not a general.
With regard to 1990’s post on Casto, you certainly want players to push through those walls, but you can’t sacrifice opportunities to win huge games like this. DC lost complete mental edge and was lackadasical on both ends of the floor.
Again, I am not killing Bone for this loss, but I would certainly be interested to hear his answers to these questions.

by ptowncoug3012 on Dec 4, 2009 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

True, but you could say the same thing about everyone one on the team the last 5 minutes

Casto’s overall game was huge. He had a double double, plus three steals and three blocked shots.

What happen’s if Bone takes Casto out, could any one of the other Cougar bigs stopped the train that was the Zags the last 5 minutes? Maybe WSU has a different outcome, but I do not think Enquist (or the other bigs) could handle Harris or Sacre.

by Coug1990 on Dec 4, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

DC was one of the biggest issues on the floor. W/o Abe in the game

he was our only solid rebounder and basically didn’t rebound the last 5 or 6 minutes.
I think he is going to wear out quite a bit this yr because he is basically battling two bigs for the ball. Lodwick seemed to be our answer with some incredible numbers in the first 6 games, but was on the bench with fresh legs while GU was getting crucial offensive and defensive rebounds toward the end.

by ptowncoug3012 on Dec 5, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a conundrum

Abe brings some rebounding to the floor, but he really doesn’t contribute in other ways. Offensively, he stays out at 3-pt range and he is disappointingly a below average outside shooter.

Nik is not as good a rebounder, but he is better defensively and is much better moving without the ball.

Neither is a true four, but are forced to play it due to lack of other options.

For Bone, his decision is picking his poison.

by Coug1990 on Dec 5, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

It's the teacher in me

What can I say? I think both sides are valid.

by Jeff Nusser on Dec 4, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Good thoughts and post

I agree this team is better off with Bone. However, I think the strong reliance on fundamentals of the Bennett’s may have helped as they open things up under Bone. There is no question Bone has helped players like Koprivica and even Lodwick and Harthun. They look so much more comfortable on the court this year.

If and maybe a big if and this point but if Watson and Motum can get stronger in the weight room I wonder if Bone will add another forward. They also have Bjornstad although he could end up a couple years away. When it comes down to it we really have too many project forwards. Watson is so raw, Motum so light, and Bjornstad is a classic center project. There is a lot of risk going into next year beyond Casto.

I really think getting Lodwick and Koprivica on the floor at the same time is a good idea. We would lose some athleticism and quickness but at the end of the game when it become more half court it might payoff.

by BornCoug on Dec 4, 2009 10:20 AM PST reply actions  

It's been almost assured that Bone is going to add another post player

Look for him to do it in the late signing period, but most of us have heard he’s looking for another 4/5 for this class.

by Brian Floyd on Dec 4, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

It wouldn't surprise me

I hope it is a Casto clone. It’s going to be interesting to see what the roster looks line in June. I agree with Nuss that Thompson isn’t going anywhere. He still needs to work on his ability to create on his own. He’s better than last year but he still has a ways to go.

If Thompson comes back, Aden is what he seems, Moore and Thames improve from their first year, and they add a legit forward to Casto, watch out.

by BornCoug on Dec 4, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

They just need a legit defensive rebounder type

He doesn’t really have to be able to do much else other than box out and dunk. I don’t think that guy should be impossible to find.

by Jeff Nusser on Dec 4, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree

That could actually be a guy like Watson if he committed to do the dirty work but I think he wants to be a 3. So I agree they probably need to go out and find someone. There was a player that ended up at a WCC school that looked the part but maybe they didn’t think he projected in the Pac 10.

Should be interesting to see how things shake out.

by BornCoug on Dec 4, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

He's just not tall or wide enough

If you’re going to be 6-7, you better be built like a brick outhouse. He’s not. He’ll never be a great defensive rebounder, no matter what. Can’t teach tall.

by Jeff Nusser on Dec 4, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I prefer 6-7 to 6-8 forwards over most 6-10+ guys

I think shorter forwards tend to make a bigger impact than the 6-10 projects. The true center is great to have but in such high demand. Correct though that they need to have some size. Carlos Daniels was similar size to Casto. Daniels was one of the best low post players in the conference by the time he was a junior.

We haven’t had many 6-10+ guys worth much since the Raveling days other than Baynes. Hendrickson wasn’t huge as a frosh but he made an impact because of his skill and effort. He was a warrior even though he was only 6-8". Steve Slotemaker was even more slight but was a solid player.

Watson was definitely a plan B guy. It would have been great to get Breshers who is definitely thick and athletic at probably around 6-6" or maybe even less. Right now I would take a Ken Critton on this team but hope Bone can do better. Critton wasn’t tall or very big but he did the job in the low post. He would rebound for you and defend the post and could score some in the post.

How hard is it to find a Ken Critton or Fred Ferguson? Great effort guys that work their bootie off. Are they that diffcult to find?

by BornCoug on Dec 4, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Casto is great

He’s a 6-8 guy with a bigger wingspan and the frame to add 30 pounds of muscle. That’s my main issue with Watson — strong, but not especially wide or long. He’s always going to have issues boxing out. Same goes for Enquist, who’s neither strong nor especially quick for being so light. Bjornstad might be OK, but it’s going to be two years from now; Motum doesn’t look like he has the frame to add 30 pounds, and he’s more of a Bennett perimeter big man.

I guess I just get flabbergasted wondering how a guy who puts so much of a premium on defense could do such a poor job recruiting for the most important aspect of a defense — ending the possession with a rebound?

by Jeff Nusser on Dec 4, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Plan B forwards

Bennett had pretty good Plan A forwards but when they would fall through the backup plan was suspect. Two years ago they recruted Tyreese Breshers very hard and he wanted to go to WSU. Unfortunately he didn’t like small town Pullman and he committed to Miami and then ended up at the UW. Last year they went after Angus Brandt, the Aussie 7-0" center. He would have fit perfectly but he thought he fit better at OSU.

Plan B 2 years ago was James Watson. Last year plan B I think was an Aussie named Cody Ellis but he ended up at St. Louis. I think there was another player as well but they ended up getting blanked. With Fabian Boeke being a zero and out of the program they had to find another forward and came up with nothing.

I hope Bone changes his recruiting to smaller classes so when there is an obvious roster issue they have some flexibility to go out and find a player they need. A JC forward could mean getting to the Tournament this year.

by BornCoug on Dec 5, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

We wanted Brandt and Singler last year

Singler so much so that the entire basketball staff quietly flew to Oregon to watch him play before the UW game in Pullman 2 years ago. They ended up at OSU and UO respectively, unfortunately.

by Brian Floyd on Dec 5, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

casto last year

wasn’t getting a lot of minutes at this point in the season either, and really didn’t come on until that Stanford game. i’m interested to see what watson can do with a little more time on the floor and motum with a half of year of practice under his belt. remember, these guys are 7 games into their college careers, and D is only 7 into his second season. lot of basektball and room for growth. we may have the right guys they just need a chance to show what they can do.

by donkeyjon12 on Dec 4, 2009 11:19 AM PST reply actions  

Nuss, I am not sure I agree with the notion that

“If I’m an NBA GM watching last night’s game, I’m thinking Klay’s still got some work to do.”

Gm’s will always draft on potential over readiness. Before the NBA changed the draft guidelines, there were a couple of number of overall number one picks that were drafted straight from high school. Brandon Jennings, went to Europe out of high school and mostly say on the bench in his one year and was a top pick in the NBA draft.

I listened to Rob Rang who is a NFL scout and he talked about Jake Locker. He said he would be the highest rated QB, but he also said he was by far the rawest QB of them all. He said he had the most potential, but he is very far from being an NFL QB.

But, like Mark Sanchez, teams will draft talent over being ready.

Same goes with Thompson, even if he is not ready, if NBA scouts think he has great potential, they’ll draft him high whether he is ready or not.

by Coug1990 on Dec 4, 2009 4:13 PM PST reply actions  

You're right

But they’re infatuated with physical tools. Klay just doesn’t have the same physical tools as those first round picks.

We’ll see. The one thing I’m sure of is that he’ll declare for the draft this year without hiring an agent in order to test the waters. Beyond that, I’m not sure of anything.

by Jeff Nusser on Dec 4, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I have been trying to think who Thomson reminds me of

and it came to me a few days ago. He reminds me of ex-UCLA Bruin and ex-Indiana Pacer and future hall-of-famer Reggie Miller.

They have a similar body type and are deadly outside shooters. Reggie became great at driving to the basket and drawing fouls.

If memory serves, Reggie was a mid first round pick.

Regarding physical tools, I think he gets a break in that area as well because NBA GM’s know his bloodlines.

There is no doubt that he still needs to get stronger, but NBA teams have strength coaches too.

I agree that I am not sure what he does.

by Coug1990 on Dec 4, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions  

He did

But, since NBA GM’s have seen a similar player to Thompson in Miller, a successful precedent has already been set for Thompson’s body type and game.

Remember that whether a player is ready or not, potential trumps all else in a GM’s mind.

by Coug1990 on Dec 5, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Jason Kapono

Out of high school Thompson was compared to Jason Kapono out of UCLA. as well. Agree Miller is a pretty good comparison though. I think Kapono left a year early and is now playing for Philly.

by BornCoug on Dec 5, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Kapono is a good comp as well

In the end, I think Thompson has better ball skills than Kapono. But, it is nice to compare our players to UCLA NBA players.

by Coug1990 on Dec 5, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

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