Do the Cougs really have a shot at the NCAA Tournament?
OK, it's time to address the giant elephant in the middle of the room.
Left for dead after the inexplicable loss to OSU at home on Valentine's Day, the Cougs' postseason chances have once again become a topic of conversation following their second road win of the season over a top 25 team.
Some say there's no chance whatsoever that this team can earn an at-large berth to the NCAA Tournament. Some say if the Cougs can win their final three Pac-10 games that they could have a legitimate case. Where's the truth?
The first thing everyone has to realize is this: The NCAA Tournament field is a moving target. There is only one surefire way to guarantee entry into the Dance, and that's to earn your conference's automatic bid. Outside of that, nobody can say, "Do this, and you're in," because everything's relative. All that matters is how your resume stacks up with others' at the end of the season, and there are just too many scenarios where teams could either strengthen or weaken themselves considerably .
What we can do, though, is examine the factors that are working for and against the Cougs based on what the committee has shown is important to it over the years. Then we can make an educated guess as to what, if anything, might put WSU in the conversation on Seleciton Sunday.
Before we start, let me note one thing: The RPI sucks. It's a terrible, terrible measure of the quality of a team that is so counterintuitive I am consistently dumbfounded that presumably intelligent people actually use it. However, the reality is that the NCAA Tournament committee does use it, and any meaningful analysis must take that into account. So I'm going to talk about it, even though I vehemently disagree with it.
This is a fairly lengthy post, so you're going to have to click on the link below to access the analytical goodness that follows.
Factors working for the Cougars in their resume
Road wins at Arizona State and UCLA: Clearly, this is at the top of the list. Above all, the committee wants to see that you have the ability to compete in the NCAA Tournament if they put you in. When you show them that you can beat two teams that likely will be in the seeding range of your first-round opponent -- especially away from home -- that is absolutely huge. Honestly, if we were sitting here with the same record but you replace these two wins with a road win over Stanford and a home win over Oregon State, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
The overall weakness of the mid-major crop: This is something that is going to help all potential bubble teams this year. Some of the mid-major conferences that have been getting multiple bids in recent years just aren't going to get them this year. The WCC and Horizon are only getting one team in unless Gonzaga or Butler lose in their conference tournament. The Missouri Valley and MAC probably are only going to get their conference tournament champion in no matter what happens. Davidson is probably on the outside looking in if it doesn't win its tournament. You get the picture: There's an opportunity here for multiple major conference teams with middling resumes to get into the field.
Playing some strong non-conference opponents: The committee loves ambitious scheduling, and the Cougs scheduled three non-conference opponents who are virtual locks for the tournament (Pitt, Gonzaga and LSU), another who was thought to be on-target for an at-large bid before falling apart (Baylor), and another major conference opponent (Mississippi State). No, the Cougs' overall strength of schedule isn't that good -- just 60th according to collegerpi.com -- but the Cougs will get credit for testing themselves early and often.
Close losses: Yes, ultimately it comes down to wins and losses, but again, the committee doesn't want to be embarrassed if they put you in the field. The Cougs haven't been blown out since that debacle against Washington to open the Pac-10 season, and they played both Pitt and LSU tough away from home. This gives the committee confidence that you're probably not going to lay an egg in the Tournament once you get there.
Factors working against the Cougars in their resume
Lack of a distinguishing non-conference win: While the Cougs will get credit for their schedule, going 1-4 against those five teams I outlined earlier -- picking up your only win against the weakest of the bunch -- isn't exactly showing you belong with the big boys, especially when Gonzaga (who destroyed the Cougs in Pullman) and Baylor aren't looking as strong as they once did. Unfortunately, this is something WSU can't change at this point, and those losses to LSU and Baylor we feared would haunt us are doing just that.
That RPI: Neither the Cougs' overall RPI (No. 102 according to collegerpi.com) nor their RPI strength of schedule (No. 60) are flattering. The biggest problem the Cougs are facing is that the RPI is based on record, opponents' record and opponents' opponents' records. Their numbers are being dragged down by an inordinate number of very, very weak teams on our schedule, such as Mississippi Valley State (5-25, No. 330 RPI), Fairleigh Dickinson (7-21, No. 305) and Sacramento State (2-21, No. 341). Also working against the Cougs in this? Lots of home losses, which count for more than road losses. Fortunately, the committee has seemed to place less stock in RPI in recent years.
The strength of the Pac-10: Or, should we say, lack thereof. Now, we can argue 'til the cows come home whether the Pac-10 is actually down overall this year or simply lacking a big-time heavyweight for the first time in some years, but the fact remains that the RPI hates the Pac-10. Because of this, the committee might not value any wins we already have -- or might get between now and the end of the season -- as highly as we'd all like to hope.
So, do they have a shot?
Well, it would seem a tad ridiculous to have this entire conversation and not say yes, wouldn't it? But they're going to need a lot of help.
First of all, they're not going to win the Pac-10 tournament, not with Taylor Rochestie needing to play 38-plus minutes for this team to have a chance against any kind of quality opponent.
What they do have going for them is the opportunity to make statements between now and the end of the season. For all of the hand-wringing before the season about the end of our Pac-10 schedule, it's now looking like a blessing that we've got three tough teams coming up, plus the Pac-10 tournament.
So what puts them in the best position? I was going to write that somehow, some way they needed to get five wins between now and the end of the season, but BH over at the WSU Football Blog beat me to it. Here is our thinking in a nutshell:
- Win the final three regular season games, win two games in the Pac-10 tournament. You've now added a road win over UW, home wins over Arizona State (for a season sweep) and Arizona, and neutral court wins over Oregon and one of four teams that are a lock for the NCAA Tournament.
- Win two of the final three regular season games -- which, no matter how you mix and match it, would include two wins over tournament-bound teams -- and win three in the Pac-10 tournament to get to the finals, which would likely feature neutral court wins over two tournament-bound teams.
The first scenario features four wins over RPI top 50 teams, while the second likely does as well. That's a pretty spectacular way to finish the regular season, and would likely get the tournament committee's attention, because while they certainly look at entire bodies of work, finishing strong is important. That also should give a substantial boost in their overall RPI number. Whether it will get them in that magical 40-50 range is tough to say, because it's so dependent on your opponents, but it should help considerably.
What else can be done? Root like heck for Gonzaga, Butler, Davidson and Creighton to win their conference tournaments. Every bid that goes to a fluky conference champion will do major damage to the Cougs' chances, no matter what they do.
I know we all thought we were through with this a couple of weeks ago, but reality is if there ever was a year that a thoroughly average major conference team could squeeze its way in at the last possible moment, this is it.
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The Key...
The key this this whole situation is beating UA, ASU, And/or UW. We’ve only beaten one of those teams, and that was only because Klay Thompson exploded, something that only happens every so often (And just happened… Kind of… versus UCLA). We were destroyed by UW and were soundly beaten by UA. While this team is better, it has only one three straight Pac-10 games once this year, against the three worst teams in the Pac-10, other than the Cougs. I don’t see us winning 4 straight (Inc. UCLA) or even 3 of 4. Unfortunately, I think that the only way we will make the NCAAs is winning the Pac-10 tourneys, and it will take a miracle for that to happen.
Right
It’s good to outline what needs to be done to make the tourney. I imagine that doing half of that would be enough to make a convincing NIT argument, though of course that’s no guarantee.
Unfortunately, I think it is more likely that we will lose out than nearly win out. I really think we can beat ASU and whoever we match up with in the 1st round but I really don’t see any of the rest happening. Maybe we could beat Arizona but it would have to be an Arizona team that was looking past us, or completely having a bad day of shooting – not the Arizona of the last few weeks. Of course they still are shabby on the road… @UW, well, there is no way if the conference title is on the line for them. If they’ve already got it clinched and have nothing to play for outside of the rivalry, then I think we have a good shot.
Tony Bennett for Heisman!
by johnnycougar on Feb 25, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Not a chance.
Everybody get’s too optimistic around here after we win one game. It happened after we beat ASU. And then it happened after we punished Oregon. Really? it was Oregon we were talking about. And we’ve still only been able to string together 3 PAC Ten wins in a row once this season, and that was against the 3 worst teams in the Conference (minus us).
It’s going to come down to the fact that WSU is not a good enough team to win that many games at the end of this season. Nothing we have seen so far really points to that, only our intense optimism.
What is more likely
Winning 5 of 6 to finish the season, or, winning 4 in a row in the tournament to finish the season. Answer: tie? but unless Klay and Taylor stay hot, and harmeling comes around, and we play good D, and Baynes stays out of foul trouble, we will not pull that off. I will root like hell for it, though. I wonder, what do we have to so to get to the NIT? Go 3-2 the rest of the way? That would put us at 17-15 (8-10). I don’t know much about NIT qualifications.
The NIT is a bit of an enigma
In the past, they picked teams that would make them money. But since the NCAA took it over, they’ve placed a higher premium on getting the 32 next best teams with lots of midmajors. I think back to that Spencer Hawes UW team that got snubbed from the NIT, and it’s easy to see that there’s no way to know what the NIT is thinking.
A couple of things,
I don’t know if “soundly beaten” by UA as much as we fell apart against them. Soundly beaten entails never having a lead and never getting closer than 5 or 6 pts after the first 5 minutes of the game. I wouldn’t say we were “destroyed” by UW in the 1st half. Let’s remember they had some torried shooting.
We are 2-10 against the top 50. USC is the 50th in RPI ranking and is 3-8 against the top 50. I just don’t see it fellas. We would have to jump over 6th place USC and having some how blown the home contest against SC hurts us tremendously.
A sweep of the final 3 games gets us 5-10, but I think we need SC to take a tumble because I just see the Pac-10 getting 7 spots. Remember OSU is ahead of us as well in the standings. Yikes!
There is precedent for a team lower in the standings
getting into the tournament ahead of another team.
USC is in major, major trouble at this point
They basically face a must-win at Cal on Thursday. If they lose that game, I think they’re done, barring a miracle. They have zero quality road wins (in fact, the win in Pullman is the best road win they’ve managed all season). Assuming they beat Stanford but lose to Cal, they’re at 4-9 in road/neutral games on the season. They have home wins over ASU and Cal but overall they’re 3-7 against the top 5 teams in the league.
I’d certainly hop a 9-9 WSU team with a strong tournament showing over a 10-8 USC with minimal ability to win against better teams.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
I'm really surprised at how USC hasn't been able to pull it together
Tim Floyd usually has his teams peaking right about now. This one is coming apart at the seams.
I sure hope so
Cal really needs a win on Thursday to cement a spot in the field. The last 3 (UCLA, @ AZ, @ASU) are brutally difficult.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
I think Cal's pretty safe at this point
But a win or two down the stretch certainly would make you feel a little more secure.
No way the Pac-10 gets more than 6
And probably only 5 unless someone comes out of nowhere to take the auto bid.
In my post above
I meant to say “I just don’t see the Pac-10 getting 7 spots.” Six will likely be a stretch.

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