OPEN GAME(S) THREAD: Pac-10 Tournament Edition
by Jeff Nusser on Mar 12, 2009 12:00 PM PDT
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PrintI figured many of you out there will be watching the Pac-10 Tournament with interest today, either on TV or from your computer, so here's a thread that will be up for you until the Cougs tip-off tonight for Coug-related discussion of the tournament as it unfolds.
I'll also encourage you, though, to visit our other SBN partners for their game threads, too, where you can talk about the game with fans really knowledgeable about each team. It can be a lot of fun. (Just click on the team name to visit.)
Today's schedule (all games PDT):
- Noon: No. 4 Arizona State vs. No. 5 Arizona
- 2:30 p.m.: No. 1 Washington vs. No. 9 Stanford (sadly -- or not, your choice -- no Stanford blog)
- 6 p.m.: No. 3 Cal vs. No. 6 USC
- 8:30 p.m.: No. 1 UCLA vs. No. 7 WSU
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anyone listening to the AZ/ASU game on Sirius XM?
I hope we get better broadcasters for tonights game. The Arizona broadcaster has made about half a dozen Obama slam references in the last 5 minutes. Please win ASU!
Yes, yes it is.
He is bad enough for football, not sure why they stuck him in here for basketball. I guess they think he adds the color to the broadcast, but he really just makes it painful and keeps asking what the rules are.
I wonder if they are NIT bound now?
Probably would knock Stanford out if they were even still being considered. I wonder if that would hurt our chances?
I sure hope not
Man, it would be a shame if Arizona got left out of the tournament, but they just faded again. That seven-game win streak seems like a long, long time ago.
by transitive property....
if arizona is knocked down to the NIT, then somebody from the NIT is probably being called up to the show.
I don't know, but I'm impressed by ASU today
To play like that and pull away from a team ostensibly playing for its tournament life … that’s pretty good.
Especially when you consider
That they’ve been run down all year, have no depth to begin with, and were playing without Jamelle McMillan.
http://www.spartyandfriends.com/
did ernie kent get fired?
he’s already in the booth….
By the way
Does anyone else think the Pac-10 is horrendously stupid for putting its top team on at 2:30 in the afternoon? Granted, it’s 5:30 eastern, but that’s pushing it. Then, the No. 2 team is on at 11:30 p.m. eastern. Makes no sense whatsoever.
Yeah, and the Arizona/ASU game would've made sense at the 6 pm time slot
With a handful of NBA guys playing, rivalry game, Arizona needing a win, and it’s probably the best matchup.
Cal/USC was the worst choice.
http://www.spartyandfriends.com/
I know they can't set the times based on teams themselves
but it would make a lot more sense to put the top seed and the No. 2 seed at times when the nation can see them on Thursday.
no
the big-12 had their #1 team on at 9:30 this morning; the big 10’s #1 plays at 9am tomorrow, competing with the acc’s #1 at the same time. the only team in the sec worth watching plays at 10am tomorrow.
i think they expect that most people who want to watch out of market games are taking the day off work (like myself) anyway….
i think the purity of it is great
the brackets and gametimes are set before the teams are even announced. just like the rest of the country. i think you have to be confident enough in the quality of your conference to showcase it as a whole rather than a couple teams.
give the teams who played the night before a maximum amount of rest, and let the chips fall where they may.
Again, set the bracket so that your No. 1 seed and No. 2 seed play at times when the country can see them
That’s all.
i do think that the 1-8(9) matchup should've been at 6
so stanford gets a full day of rest.
This should be the schedule
11 a.m.: 4 vs. 5
1:30 p.m.: 6 vs. 3
5 p.m.: 1 vs. 8/9
7:30 p.m. : 2 vs. 7/10
Do announcers even think about what they say?
McLean: “What sticks out to me is how physical Washington is as a team. And it starts and ends with this guy (Brockman).”
If the whole team is physical, how does it start and end with one guy?
Seriously, you only have to talk for, what — 60 minutes total throughout the day? Is it too much to ask that it be intelligent?
Judging by most of the guys FSN, ESPN, CNN, Foxnews, MSNBC, etc hire
yes it is too much to ask
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by Craig Powers on Mar 12, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't wait for the Baynes/Collison matchup tonight
It’s gonna be huge
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CougCenter
by Craig Powers on Mar 12, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Reason #2192 why Tom Hansen is retiring
He should have been gone a decade ago.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 12, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone take a look at the Pomeroy ratings today?
We are at #30, just behind Cal. Highest we’ve been since early in Pac 10 play.
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CougCenter
Why must you make me sad
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CougCenter
by Craig Powers on Mar 12, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I would love Craig Ehlo
if he wasn’t a Zag
Seriously, why didn't he realize while in high school that the program with substance is 300 miles east?
Doesn’t the guy just scream “Coug”? Ok, I’m not talking about him anymore.
Hop over to Kenpom and look at his rebounding rates if you feel like a laugh.
http://www.spartyandfriends.com/
I cheated
so i DQ myself
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CougCenter
by Craig Powers on Mar 12, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure thing boss
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CougCenter
by Craig Powers on Mar 12, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
OK
Player A: Will Paul
Player B: Caleb Forrest
Caleb does a decent job on the offensive glass, but those are two really bad defensive rebounding forwards.
Paul, as the tallest player on his team, has the worst DR%
Embarrassing.
http://www.spartyandfriends.com/
who wins in a layup contest?
nik or dentmon?
Dentmon
Because he’s the most improved player in the Pac-10. Duh.
Maybe that’s what Nik is setting himself up for …
"many around the conference thought this would be a rebuilding year for uw"
name one person who thought this….
What sort of rebuilding would there need to be?
A core of upperclassmen that needed one more piece to succeed, and they got that piece. Fire FSN from life.
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CougCenter
by Craig Powers on Mar 12, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
But they lost so many good players…
did they lose anyone who was any good?
by displacedcoug on Mar 12, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
never in my life...
did i think i would see IU as the 11 seed in the big-10 tourney and getting blown out by penn state.
I'm looking at the CBS Sports front page right now ...
And it says, “This won’t help Kansas’ case for a No. 1 seed in the NCAA tournament.” Since when was Kansas ever in the running for a No. 1 seed?
And while I’m on a rant, why are people always so given to hyperbole? How can anyone suggest that this might be Romar’s best coaching job? How about that 2003-04 team in his second year that started 5-8 and 0-5 in the Pac-10, came back from a 16-point second half deficit at OSU to win their first game and went on to get a No. 8 seed in the NCAA Tournament? Or how about the team the next year that earned a No. 1 seed? People are silly.
What's going on?
Is it possible that Uw’s fight to beat us last week is actually still taking it’s toll?Did the Coug’s wear them out so badly that a week later they can’t seem to find their groove. 28% from the field?
If Venoy Overton played last year like he has in the 2nd half of the Pac-10 season
They wouldn’t have needed Thomas.
"WHAT A HALF THIS WAS!"
Yes, what a half — what a bad half of basketball. Felt like I was watching the NBA with all the freaking dribbling and bad shooting.
could be worse
i’m watching ESPN2 wondering if IU is going to break 40 today
To thecassino....
I apologize in front of all these Cougs for being rude to you last Saturday on this site….I may disagree with what you say, how you say it, and when you say it, but I promise to play nice from now on.
Don't worry about it
I’ll admit that I wasn’t as informed as I could have been about Bennett’s recruiting.
It’s all in the past, so let’s just forget about it.
http://www.spartyandfriends.com/
I just wanted to make sure you knew....
I’m not normally like that. I value your opinion but always tend to defend my Cougs.
And you have every right to defend your team
I would expect nothing less from a true fan. I’d do the same.
http://www.spartyandfriends.com/
It'll be up on foxsports.com eventually
Tony Bennett for Heisman!
by johnnycougar on Mar 12, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
NO KIDDING
Actually, if UW had played even remotely like this against us we would have had a 10 point lead at half
Tony Bennett for Heisman!
by johnnycougar on Mar 12, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
This is why people don't believe in Washington
I know Stanford is playing better. But UW just doesn’t look good so far.
We've seen this before with many teams
UW is just playing to the level of the competition I think. Ugly, disjointed basketball has been Stanford’s forte most of the year. They could get upset in the first round or could make the Elite 8.
Tony Bennett for Heisman!
by johnnycougar on Mar 12, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I probably shouldn't say this
But I think Overton actually has an underrated offensive game, he’s been making solid decisions and helps stretch the D even when he’s not hitting
Tony Bennett for Heisman!
That's the difference between him last year and this year
He was positively atrocious on offense last year.
IT makes everyone better
Ugh
Tony Bennett for Heisman!
by johnnycougar on Mar 12, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
When he's playing under control on offense he's a great guy to have
But sometimes he starts playing too fast and turning the ball over like crazy and taking bad shots.
http://www.spartyandfriends.com/
Nice to have him playing well in the first half when QP and IT are shooting cold
Tony Bennett for Heisman!
by johnnycougar on Mar 12, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone see that “block” in the 1st half that was through the rim? Even I saw it was through the rim just watching on TV!
Tony Bennett for Heisman!
kind of funny though
Tony Bennett for Heisman!
by johnnycougar on Mar 12, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
i think one time while playing basketball in 7th...
i threw up a shot that went through the net underneath, hit the backboard, and went back in… i dont think they counted it though : \ lol
Stanford is UW's mini me
Run fast, throw up off balance 3’s, drive to the hoop and crash the boards. The difference is that UW actually has the talent to do that.
Tony Bennett for Heisman!
Someone should explain the definition of hyperbole to these clowns
All of the “greats” and “excellents” and “wonderfuls” are numbing my brain.
I'm sure someone famous has made a witty quote about that
Tony Bennett for Heisman!
by johnnycougar on Mar 12, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
And someone should also tell them that "unbelievable" is literally defined as "beyond belief"
Not “very nice.” I’m about to turn the volume off.
If you add to the truth, you subtract from it. ~The Talmud
Tony Bennett for Heisman!
by johnnycougar on Mar 12, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
There are people so addicted to exaggeration they can’t tell the truth without lying. ~Josh Billings
Exaggeration is a blood relation to falsehood and nearly as blamable. ~Hosea Ballou
Exaggeration misleads the credulous and offends the perceptive. ~Eliza Cook
To a small man every greater is an exaggeration. ~Henry David Thoreau
Tony Bennett for Heisman!
by johnnycougar on Mar 12, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Bill Gates was born AND the dawgs won the title?!?!?
That may have been the best year in Seattle history… Which is sad. But hey, Stalin died that year.
I'm interested to see who gets the 6th seed in Portland....
Washington’s 2nd round matchup. Any chance it’s Gonzaga? Doubt it now.
UW wasn't even the best team in Seattle in 1953
Seattle U lost their first game of the season, then won 26 straight before losing in the first round of the NCAA’s
by StraightOuttaPullman on Mar 12, 2009 4:06 PM PDT reply actions
It won't happen but I'd like to see the Chieftans....
or whatever they’re called now get back into the WCC.
I heard an interview somewhere that they were going to schedule 2 more tough seasons
and try to get a respectable record before trying to get into the WCC
I'd heard a while back that the WCC didn't want anything to do with them....
Politics! But I think it’d be a natural fit. Especially with economics the way they are. Less travel and natural rivalries with Gonzaga, Portland and some of those Cali schools.
One positive thing about this game
I now know who Jeremy Green is. He’s playing pretty well, could be a big name to remember in the future.
Tony Bennett for Heisman!
when was the last time someone in this game missed a shot
excellent d, fellas…
They gave it their all in the first half....
Too much effort to concentrate on D in the second half. Doesn’t show up in their individual stat lines either.
"there is some VERY solid defense being played in this game"
i’m going to go light myself on fire now
Dear Stanford
Please stop letting Pondexter get witthin three feet of the basket. At least make him shoot his streaky jumper.
Thanks!
Tony Bennett for Heisman!
I'm so glad someone else notices this
He really is horrendous. He’s an OK passer, but his TO rate is atrocious for a guy who scores as little as he does. It’s astounding that he starts for a Pac-10 team.
He'd be lucky to be at a JC if....
Monty was still there…. It was a gift from that guy that went to LSU, Trent Johnson? Wasn’t that his name?
Yup
I saw him at O’Dea. Never knew what anyone saw in him. Nice size, pretty decent defender … no offense, even then.
one thing i hadn't noticed about that tulalip commercial....
the lady they show throughout the commercial is with a different dude in each scene.
just like vegas, i guess…
Fun Fun Fun
at the #1 place for fun
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CougCenter
by Craig Powers on Mar 12, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
has stanford given up?
early 3’s on every possession….
I would be surprised if Stanford ends up with 10 assists in this game
Everyone on their team is playing so selfishly
Tony Bennett for Heisman!
A Tom Hansen retrospective?
I am so glad I’m leaving work right now and will be in my car when that happens.
What are you talking about?
He said his accomplishments were “too numerous” to list. TOO NUMEROUS!!!!
I mean other than:
Oversee a horrible officiating staff (In two sports), have a HORRENDOUS TV contract (In two sports), and overall just live in the past…
Libya
has many exports that are numerous in amount. One of those exports is corn.
I love the Simpsons.
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CougCenter
by Craig Powers on Mar 12, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
YES
nicked the rim that time
Tony Bennett for Heisman!
by johnnycougar on Mar 12, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
he still plays?
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CougCenter
by Craig Powers on Mar 12, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
FYI from 3A tourney.....
I think Tony found us a special player in 6-5 Anthony Brown. I only watched the first day and I thought he was the best player in the field. Siva was good too, but he’s surrounded by other great players so it was harder to judge. I can see Brown in the rotation somewhere next season, maybe even as a starter. I’m interested in seeing Thames, who I hear is a legit starter also.
Brown has a great all-around game, a great body for Pac-10 play, and an NBA future for sure. He has room to grow also, plus he’s a lefty with a sweet stroke. I liked what I saw, a glimpse of our future.
Interesting thoughts on Brown
I have seen post very high on him and somewhat low as well. I definitely think he plays next year because as you say he already has the body to go. I saw him last year and really did not like his stroke. People have said his shot has improved this year. He sounds like a player that can do a little bit of everything but maybe nothing great?
For next year I hope he can knock down an open jumper, quick enough to stay in front of most wings, and can handle a bit even if he isn’t able to get to the basket similar to Capers thisyear. If he ends up a solid complinmentary player his first couple of years I’m honestly happy. We need a wing off the bench to compliment Capers, Thompson, and hopefully surpass Lodwick.
The focus has definitely been on Motum and Thames but if Brown and Chadwick can provide something off the bench next year it would really help a lot.
I got a closeup look at him and....
I didn’t see anything that overly concerns me. I think he’s in the rotation from the get-go next season. His upside is huge. He handles the ball very well. He’s long, like Capers and he looked to me like he has the potential to be a very good defender. It’s so hard to tell in just one game. I saw a kid playing with kids far less talented than him, but he was always trying to be a good teammate. it impressed me. A couple of times he tried to do a little too much probably. In my humble opinion, but it is a tad biased, I thought Anthony Brown was the best player I saw during the 3A and 4A tournaments.
I watched Gonzaga play Garfield in 4A and lose in OT. Shadle somehow beat Prep during the regular season but from what I saw, doesn’t have nearly the talent surrounding Anthony that GP does. If you put Anthony on that club, and still let David Stockton run the point, they would have easily beat Garfield and probably given Federal Way all they could handle for the title. It would have been a great matchup.
UW could be movin up
Pitt, Kansas and Oklahoma all lost. Any chance at a 2 or even 1 seed for the Huskies if they win the Pacific Life Pac 10 tourney
by StraightOuttaPullman on Mar 12, 2009 6:11 PM PDT reply actions
I think UW could get a 2 if it wins out
Kansas was an iffy #1 / probable #2, and if they don’t get the last #1 then Memphis probably will. I’d say it will take some combination of Louisville, Michigan State and Wake Forest losing to bump UW up there.
Tony Bennett for Heisman!
by johnnycougar on Mar 12, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Has anyone told Cal that the game started?
Not sure they know. Maybe they think they are in the 8:30 game.
I made a comment like this on Cal's game thread when the played ASU last week
Nearly got booed off the thread. Apparently they were down 22 to Stanford in the 1st half before they came back to win.
Tony Bennett for Heisman!
by johnnycougar on Mar 12, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Jerome Randle and Tajuan Porter have almost identical games....
Only difference is that Randle is 4 inches taller.
If we can't win this Tourney, we want USC to
With UA’s loss today, they are probably out of the NCAA’s, meaning that they’re an NIT team. USC is the other NIT team from the PAC-10 team. If USC wins this tourney, they don’t go to the NIT, leaving a spot for WSU.
Whoa
I look back and all the sudden it is 4 points
It's become a frantic game
If we were to move on…what scares me about Cal is there ability to come back. I’m not sure we build big leads as well as other teams, and while we also have improved our ability to avoid giving up big runs, Cal is so good at quickly making a few threes and getting a few turnovers that we are likely to struggle.
even if cal gets away with it here
they can’t do this in the NCAA’s or it’s an early exit for sure
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I personally think we match up better with USC....
They seem to play us with less poise than Cal does and if the officials let Wazzu play as physical a game as USC does, we should be fine.
Cal’s perimeter game scares me a bit. Christopher and Randle kill us with threes.
Cal's perimeter game scares me more then a little bit.
When Randle gets hot, his range is endless. That’s not good for our Pack defense.
Yeah, Cal has too many shooters.
I would prefer USC. Plus as someone said, if USC wins, their fans stick around and root for the Cougs making it more of an even crowd tonight.
Hopefully there can be more then one upset tonight
Since the 6th seed just moved on.
By the way, if anyone's looking for the game online
You can find it here, since probono’s channel got taken down:
Funny people on ESPN's
gamethread are convinced the fix is in…. UCLA is laying down to see WSU advance to hopefully get into the tourney. How nice of them!
Great stuff from people who don't know anything...
“watch for refs to be in on the gift calls in WSU favor”
“the smart money is sitting this one out due to the obvious. UCLA has agreed to lay down for the cougs tonight.”
“UCLA will help out a brother in the same conference. They have before and they will tonight.”
“I just wouldn’t want to be a fan who paid up to watch a game like this because it is a prefixed game from the start, unfortunately. "
"they are laying down for the cougars”
It has to be better than the tom hansen retrospective from earlier
I don’t mean to bash the guy too much, but I’m sure he would have been a great commissioner in 1984.
Oh, wait! He WAS the commissioner in 1984 … and he hasn’t changed a bit.
Yeah, I watched most of that as well.
Not sure why, I just couldn’t look away. I guess so I could just contradict everything they said. I am so excited that he is leaving. Hopefully they will get a good replacement.
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