Who's got the emotional edge?
We'll be spending a lot of time in the next 36 or so hours breaking down what we're likely to see on the court, but one of the intangibles that's harder to get a grip on is who has the edge emotionally in this contest.
And while we generally like to deal in concrete metric measures in these parts -- and we most definitely will after this post -- there's no denying that emotion plays a part in any athletic contest involving 18-23 year olds. Anyone who watched UCLA play inspired, revenge-minded basketball against the Cougs, then go out and get their you-know-whats handed to them by revenge-minded USC a night later, knows what I'm talking about.
Besides, when you're talking about a game that Pomeroy has predicted is basically a tossup, something like this could make the difference.
So how do these two teams stack up?
St. Mary's
The Gaels, of course, are Dick Vitale's cause du jour after being left out of the NCAA Tournament field, presumably in favor of Arizona. (Which, of course, ignores the similar resumes of San Diego State and Creighton, both of whom I felt had much stronger cases than St. Mary's.)
Personally, I think they should all just shut up -- St. Mary's had three chances to beat Gonzaga and show it belonged with the big boys, and failed three times. I understand Patty Mills was hurt in the first two contests; but the last time, in the WCC championship, with Mills back and everything on the line? The Gaels didn't just lose ... they got destroyed on a neutral court by an eventual No. 4 seed. Wins against two teams not in the tournament (Providence and San Diego State) and another team that might not have gotten in had they not won their conference tournament (Utah State) don't impress me as much as they apparently do Vitale.
But it doesn't really matter what I think about their "snub." What matters is what they think about their snub, and if you believe what you read, the Gaels sound none to happy to be in the NIT.
Or, you can just hear it from coach Randy Bennett himself:
The question then becomes: Does this heartbrokenness translate into pissed-offedness or self-pityness come Tuesday night?
One would tend to think the former. But I'm not so sure. Yes, they'll be playing a home game against a major conference opponent on national television. There's not a lot of history out there the past two years since the NIT was revamped of "snubbed" midmajors hosting games, but there are a few examples that suggest that there's a letdown factor.
- In 2008, No. 2 seed Illinois State hosted Utah State, managing to barely get by the Aggies at home before losing to Dayton.
- In 2007, No. 3 seed Drexel was easily upset at home by NC State in the first round.
- Also in 2007, No. 3 seed Missouri State -- not necessarily considered a snub that year -- lost at home to San Diego State in the opening round.
For a midmajor, the NCAA Tournament is the holy grail. And I just think when a team focuses so much on a certain goal and then doesn't attain it, it's tough to get up again only a couple of days later.
Additionally, when you already think you belong in a contest with the upper crust of the major conferences -- which they clearly believe -- you start to lose that "something to prove" factor. It becomes awful tough to get all that jacked up for big brother's seventh place team, even if it is on national television.
This team also doesn't have that "send our seniors out with a bang" factor. Sophomore Patty Mills -- expected to test the NBA waters -- might or might not be back, while second option Omar Samhan is only a junior. Simply put, this doesn't seem like a team composed of guys who are going to want to scrape and scrap for every last win it can get this year.
However, you can't discount the home-court advantage. I'm certain that's the reason Pomeroy has St. Mary's as a 52 percent favorite in this one, despite being ranked 61st to WSU's 31st. Even if the Gaels aren't real happy to be in this game, the crowd could give them a huge lift in an arena where they were 13-1 and dominant more often than not.
Washington State
Has there ever been a team or fanbase more excited to have gotten in the NIT? It's kind of interesting to me, since we're coming off of two consecutive NCAA Tournament appearances. But after looking like their postseason chances were finished a few weeks ago before heading down to LA, this represents a pretty huge accomplishment for a group that teetered on oblivion for much of the season.
But the Cougs aren't just happy to be here. They had a genuine desire to play in this tournament -- for a few reasons.
First, I think they really want to keep playing because they feel like they're playing their best ball of the year and want an opportunity to show it. The seniors are doing what they've done, but the freshmen are no longer playing like freshmen, even down to Mike Harthun(!), who gave us some good minutes against UCLA. There is a motivation to prove that the late run to end the season was more than just a fluke.
Second, playing in the postseason for the third consecutive year adds legitimacy to what Tony Bennett is building in Pullman. Make no mistake: The Cougs are grateful for the opportunity to be in the NIT, and would love nothing more than to show on national television that this is a program still on the rise.
Third, I think the seniors don't want to go out the way they went out against UCLA. You have to believe these guys are going to fight like mad with the desperation we saw in each game leading up to the Pac-10 Tournament loss. They now know that any loss from here on out really will be the end of their careers, and the effort likely will reflect that.
This also is a team unlikely to be flustered by the crowd in the Gaels' high school gym. While the chance remains that the freshmen are hyper jacked up for the postseason, I just don't see that as a huge issue. They've played in tough environments, and this one isn't any more likely to be hostile than, say, the McKale Center or Pauley Pavilion.
Conclusion
This truly is a tough call. If it were being played in Pullman or at a neutral court, I'd say the edge clearly goes to WSU. But a rowdy home crowd can make up for a lot and lift a team that otherwise might be a little flat. That said, desperation is a huge, huge motivator, and the Cougs just seem like the more determined team at this stage. Emotional edge to WSU.
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I know anecdotal stories are lame but...
I keep thinking of the perennial Holiday Bowl BCS snub participant. They seem to come out flat. See: Cal vs. T. Tech, and Texas vs. the Cougs
This is where per game statistics go to die.
CougCenter
I was thinking that too
I think some of the players will be fired up and some probably will be heartbroken, but you’ve got to think that the home crowd will help all of them focus on the game.
Tony Bennett for Heisman!
by johnnycougar on Mar 16, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
The worst thing about St. Mary's
Is that they don’t have an SBN blog. I actually had trouble finding any St. Mary’s basketball blog. Guess they aren’t as big time as they might think…
This is where per game statistics go to die.
CougCenter
I was trying to project how Tony would have handled the St. Mary's situation....
and I honetly can’t see him coming across in the same manner that Randy Bennett did.
Things are happening so fast right now for the Cougs they don’t have much time to sit around and think about any of it. They have to travel, get acclimated to the environment, practice and do their walkthrough, have meals and meetings, whatever they do in situations like this, but they don’t have time to sit around and listen to everyone tell them how bad they got screwed. That being said, I like the mindset the Cougs will be in.
St. Mary’s will get over the snub and will play a great game but if the Cougs can get out to an early lead, it’s going to be difficult for St. Mary’s to put a run on us because the strength of our ballclub is our D. I don’t think St. Mary’s is going to present the type of defensive problems we’ve faced this season. Their crowd will be a factor, but only up to a certain point. I don’t think their coach did them any favors on the interview.
I like our chances...
The only way emotion can work against the Cougs is if the Gaels jump out to a large early lead that forces us to try and climb out of a hole. I really think that the more likely scenario is that they come out pouting and play completely flat. Plus, even if the Gaels come out extremely hyped up, you know that our guys (especially our leaders) won’t get rattled in a 3,500 seat gym when they’ve faced some of the most hostile crowds in the West over the last six weeks (UA, UCLA, UW).
Having watched the Gaels 4 times this year (all three vs. GU and the Oregon game), I just don’t think they have the talent or skill to take the Cougs. Our defense is going to utterly frustrate them. I think that Tony treats Patty Mills like Tajuan Porter of Oregon…lock down on him to limit his opportunities, and force the others to beat you. Given the rest of the matchups, I really like our chances in that scenario. If we are patient on offense, their defense WILL breakdown as GU most certainly proved as they diced them up in the WCC Tourney Final (on the few occasions that GU was playing half court offense). Assuming that there isn’t a lid over the bucket like against the Bruins in the PX Tourney, we should be in good shape.
I think we win this one by a couple of possessions.
The problem is, "pissed-off" usually doesn't work well as a motivator
It’s just as likely to put players on tilt as it is to empower their game.
I’ve found that it’s almost always the case that teams that are irritated over their positioning play poorly. The classic example was Cal in the Holiday Bowl in Jan. 2005, when the Bears (who should have been playing in the Rose Bowl) were flat-out hosed into a second-tier bowl and got blown out by a clearly inferior Texas Tech team.
Gonzaga’s first team to really shrug off mid-major status and achieve national rankings was in 2002, when they entered the selection show ranked #6 in the country. They got a 6th seed and promptly lost to Wyoming in the first round.
There are more examples, I’m sure. All the psychological factors are in favor of WSU.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
Bottom line....
We have a better ballclub and if we play to our strengths we should prevail. I see it as a business-as-usual situation. Our seniors will keep the team on course.
Go Cougs!!!
"Does this heartbrokenness translate into pissed-offedness or self-pityness come Tuesday night?"
Greatest sentence of all time.
This is where per game statistics go to die.
CougCenter
my take on the emotional advantage..
I think leading into the game and up to tip off St. Mary’s has the advantage. With the snub and with the home crowd which will be very pissed and into the game – I think its safe to put St. Mary’s as the emotional favorite. BUT… If WSU can get out to a 15-5 type of lead within the first 4 or 5 minutes, I think we may coast to a victory. Those first few minutes will be key, and I could see the St. Mary’s squad caving if they get down too much early.
Secondly, the Patty Mills angle does worry me a little. With him being an NBA talent, looking to showcase his skills, and feeling the weight on his shoulders and that “It was because of my injury we are not in the tournament right now” mentality, I could see him coming out and wanting to dominate this game. BUT the same goes for this scenario, if Capers or whoever D’s him up can get him to take some ill-advised shots, maybe get a strip or a block in there early, it may be enough to get him frustrated and sulk.
by LeaveItToWeaver on Mar 16, 2009 5:38 PM PDT reply actions

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