CougCenter's All Pacific Ten Awards
It's what you've all been waiting for. The much anticipated CougCenter Pac 10 conference awards! Grady, Nuss, and myself all spent way more time than we anticipated on this (If you haven't, try doing it, it is a lot harder than it would seem initially). Twelve pots of coffee, two fist-fights, one trip to the emergency room, and an apology ice cream cake later, we were able to hash out our differences and come up our selections for the best of the best during the Pac 10 season.
We decided to toss away the official format (a ten man first team, why?) and go with first, second, and third teams. Additionally we doled out awards for Coach of the Year, Player of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year, Most Improved Player of the Year, Freshman of the Year, All-Defensive Team, and the All-Freshman Team.
EDIT 9:40 p.m.: You can see how each of the bloggers voted at this link.
We'll start with the individual awards.
Coach of the Year- Craig Robinson
Grady and I were in agreement on this one. Nuss went with Lorenzo Romar initially, but after a satellite phone call from a certain brother-in-law who pointed out that the Beavs probably should have won ZERO Pac 10 games this year, Nuss works for CougCenter and Romar coaches the Huskies, and that Robinson offered hope and change for all agricultural/engineering colleges across the country, Nuss was convinced.
Player of the Year - James Harden
There is really no debate on this one. Harden also takes home the gold in the "beard of the year" category.
Defensive Player of the Year - Taj Gibson
We didn't disagree on this one, but none of us really felt great about it. He led the conference in block% and was 6th in defensive rebounding%. Still, it seems there was no guy you could point to this year and say, "he is the best lock down defender in the Pac 10," like Kyle Weaver last year. Oh yeah, he didn't win the award.
Most Improved Player - Jerome Randle
He no longer had Ryan Anderson to attract the attention of defenses so it was hard for him to find open looks right? Wrong. He improved leaps and bounds in nearly every statistical category. Someone pull some strings and get this guy into the NBA next year, so the pack defense no longer has to deal with him.
Freshman of the Year - Isaiah Thomas
Thanks to johnnycougar for pointing out the ommission. He did a great job with the voting across SBN. You can see his poll results here. We are tired of talking about this guy on this site.
The Best of the Second Best (When ranked by Ken Pomeroy)
The hardest thing about putting together these teams is making them into a group of players that would actually be a viable combination for a coach during a game. The first team (which consists of five players, you know, because that's how many play on the court for a team) is full of guys who played well and were key reasons why their respective teams will be dancing come tourney time.
| James Harden | G/So. | The most dynamic offensive player in the conference. No one is more important to his team's success. Top five pick in the NBA draft come April. |
| Darren Collison | G/Sr. | Fantastic player of both ends of the floor. Top 10 during conference play in offensive rating, assist percentage, and steal percentage. |
| Jerome Randle | G/Jr. | He's 5-10 and third during conference play in eFG%. Also in the top 10 in assist%. The biggest reason that Cal will be in the field of 64/65 |
| Jordan Hill | F/Jr. | A freak athlete. Added some post skills and a short range jumper this year. Tough to deal handle defensively and offensively. Lottery pick for sure. |
| Jon Brockman | F/Sr. | Best rebounder in the conference on both ends of the floor. Took a hit in his own personal statistics this year to benefit the team as a whole. |
For the rest of the awards, click the link to make the jump. Don't worry, we are all smarter than Pac 10 coaches, and Aron Baynes will not be left out!
The Second Best of the Second Best
| Taylor Rochestie | G/Sr. | He. Is. Awesome. |
| Justin Dentmon | G/Sr. | Close second for most improved player. One of the best shooters in the Pac 10. That's enough about him. |
| Chase Budinger | G/Jr. | Pretty unstoppable when he gets it going. Tough to match up with at the guard position with his length. |
| Taj Gibson | F/Jr. | Your aforementioned Defensive Player of the year and USC's most effective offensive option. Tough matchup because of his quickness. |
| Aron Baynes | C/Sr. | Best part about Baynes this year, those twenty pounds he lost. So much quicker off his feet making him a terror down low for the Cougs opposition. |
The Third Best of the Second Best
| Josh Shipp | G/Sr. | Seems like he has been around forever. Dangerous shooter from the outside. |
| Calvin Haynes | G/So. | Easily the scariest scoring threat on the Beavs offense. |
| Alfred Aboya | F/Sr. | Good offensive numbers. Only a 17.4 shot % though. |
| Jeff Pendergraph | F/Sr. | Led the conference in eFG%. Making layups is harder than it looks (ask the Cougs) |
| Roeland Schaftenaar | C/Jr. | Have to love a center who has the #8 assist rate in the conference. |
Honorable Mention (guys who received votes, but didn't make the cut):
Anthony Goods, Isaiah Thomas, Quincy Pondexter, Patrick Christopher
The Defenders
| Venoy Overton | G/So. | He grabs and pulls, but he knows how to get away with it. |
| Darren Collison | G/Sr. | The closest thing to a lock-down defender the conference had this year. (can't wait for Casto and Capers next year!) |
| Jordan Hill | F/Jr. | Gets off the floor quick, can block shots and bother offensive players with his long arms. |
| Taj Gibson | F/Jr. | I think we've said enough about him. |
| Aron Baynes | C/Sr. | He. Is. Awesome. |
Honorable Mention: James Harden's Beard, James Harden
The New Guys
| Isaiah Thomas | G | See past articles. No more needs to be written about this guy on this site. |
| Klay Thompson | G | Ask Mitch Johnson how awesome Klay is. |
| Jrue Holiday | G | Didn't quite live up to his billing, but UCLA will probably benefit from that having him stick around for a few more years. |
| DeMar DeRozan | F | A guy so good he's worth two scholarships and four capital letters. |
| Michael Dunigan | F | Dunigan is such a fun name to say. Also, solid rebounder and shot blocker. Played more minutes and took more shots than Casto, that's the main reason he is on here. |
Honarable Mention: DeAngelo Casto
There you have it. Blood, sweat, and tears went in to creating this. Please feel free now to tear us apart and tell us why we are wrong, we can take it, as long as there is ice cream cake.
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Patrick Christopher
And his knock-off LeBron beard also earn honorable mention. In beards, anyway.
by Grady. on Mar 9, 2009 9:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Aron Baynes' preseason beard disagrees
by Jeff Nusser on Mar 9, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I miss the Baynes Beard
It was worth 4 rebounds and 6 points all by itself
This is where per game statistics go to die.
CougCenter
by Dancing Football on Mar 9, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"A guy so good he's worth two scholarships and four capital letters."
That has got to be the line of the year on this blog.
by Jeff Nusser on Mar 9, 2009 9:50 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The best jokes come after you've been staring at the computer for two hours
You just stop caring whether it is funny or not at that point
This is where per game statistics go to die.
CougCenter
by Dancing Football on Mar 9, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way
I added the link to the spreadsheet that shows our votes. If you didn’t see it above, it’s here.
by Jeff Nusser on Mar 9, 2009 9:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You put that up to show that you voted for Casto
I’m onto you!
This is where per game statistics go to die.
CougCenter
by Dancing Football on Mar 9, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be "I'm on to you"
This is where per game statistics go to die.
CougCenter
by Dancing Football on Mar 9, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm disagree with this
Robinson offered hope and change for all agricultural/engineering colleges across the country
OSU really doesn’t qualify as an agricultural/engineering college anymore. They haven’t been in that realm for quite awhile, actually.
by Ezzra on Mar 9, 2009 10:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I mostly agree with those picks
I think you could argue Pendergraph or Aboya over Baynes on your second team. WE know how good Aron is, at least by more than just statistics, because we’ve watched him all year. But I think if we watched every ASU game or every UCLA game we’d be just as impressed with the other guys. I will say however that Baynes makes more high-difficulty shots than those guys, not getting as many easy buckets. Also totally agree on his inclusion of all-defense.
I have to point out that your spreadsheet shows your winner for FOY, though you don’t list him here. If Klay had won you would surely not have forgotten…. :)
I can agree with your most improved player pick because Randle stepped up at the same position for a team that didn’t add anyone significant on offense. Dentmon mostly benefitted from switching positions and getting new-found wide open looks.
I would love to see a match of that 1st team with any 1st team of any other league. Man that is a good team. I think the biggest separation from the 2nd team players is that each of the 1st teamers bring it every night, while each of the 2nd teamers have had a few off nights.
I’d like to think my arguments on FOY outlined that team for you guys :)
Tony Bennett for Heisman!
by johnnycougar on Mar 10, 2009 9:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We did vote on FOY
And I’m sure his non-inclusion in this post was nothing more than a Freudian oversight by DF. :-)
by Jeff Nusser on Mar 10, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I'll put that in
I will say nothing good about THomas though
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CougCenter
by Dancing Football on Mar 10, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thinking
I did vote Pendergraph on my second team ahead of Baynes — I felt like he’s the more dynamic offensive player (less easily removed by defenses) and a good defensive player.
But I did include Baynes on the all defensive team because most people tend to judge perimeter defenders on their ability to man up and interior defenders on their ability to block shots. There is so much more to it than that. Baynes is as good of a big man as there is in the conference at hedging on screens, he’s the second best defensive rebounder in the conference, and he’s in the top five in shot blocking percentage. He wasn’t just a good defender, he was a defensive force.
As for Aboya, I could make a good argument he doesn’t even really belong on the third team. While an efficient scorer, he only took 17 percent of his team’s shots when he was on the floor (20 percent is considered the benchmark for significant contribution) and his defensive rebounding percentage is only about 16 percent — that’s absurdly low for a guy who is really his team’s only legitimate big man. I could make a very good case that Jamal Boykin should have gotten that spot. But Aboya got my nod because of team success.
My thinking was the same on Randle vs. Dentmon.
As for first teams matching up, how about this one from the Big East?
G – AJ Price (or Jonny Flynn — your choice)
G – Terrence Williams
F – Luke Harangody
F – DeJuan Blair
C – Hasheem Thabeet
I think I’d take the Big East.
by Jeff Nusser on Mar 10, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good thoughts
Totally agree on Baynes all-defensive team, and I can see why that would put him on the 2nd team ahead of Pendergraph.
I don’t know about the Big East 1st team. We’d have better perimeter defense and definitely be better getting to the line. Hill and Brockman both have semi-reliable jumpers that would draw out the superior interior D of the Big East, allowing for better penetration from Collison and Harden. Randle’s shooting would quickly destroy a zone D if they chose to try one against us. Of course, on the other side, once the ball gets IN to the forwards of the Big East, they would just kill us in the paint. I dunno, it would be a good game.
Tony Bennett for Heisman!
by johnnycougar on Mar 10, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would so cool if
after march madness, the Pac-10 all conference team matches up against another league like the big 12 or something. That would be a fun game to watch. There would also be Big East-ACC, SEC-Big 10, ect. It would never happen, but it would be cool.
by peaty411s on Mar 10, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a little surprised to see Patrick Christopher as only an honorable mention
i’d easily take him over, just to name one example, Josh Shipp.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on Mar 10, 2009 10:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I left him off my ballot entirely
Here’s why. Yes Christopher plays more minutes, but Shipp was by far the more efficient scorer (126.8 to 108.2) in roughly the same percentage of shots (24.4 for Shipp, 25.5 for Christopher), thanks largely to his superior ability as a shooter (59 eFG% to 51). They’re basically a wash as rebounders. So I guess it came down to who I thought was the better player, and in my mind that was Shipp.
by Jeff Nusser on Mar 10, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That first number is offensive rating
Sorry, I forgot to label that.
by Jeff Nusser on Mar 10, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh, i guess i can buy that reasoning
at least from looking at the numbers. from watching shipp play, i was just never that impressed with him. couldn’t tell you why. talented college player, but he strikes me as a nice role player on a good team, nothing more.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on Mar 10, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question is ...
Would he be as good or better than Christopher on Cal? I think so. But one could make solid arguments for both and not be wrong. They’re pretty close.
by Jeff Nusser on Mar 11, 2009 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I didn't see Thomas' name ever again, I would be very happy.
And I would choose Thompson over him any day, and yes partly because I just can’t stand the Huskies ;) Great work guys on putting this together! Also, are you/is there going to be something like a PAC-10 play of the year or top 10 plays from the PAC-10? I think that would be pretty cool. Accompanied with videos of course! Just a thought.
by ak84711 on Mar 10, 2009 1:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great idea
We’ll see if we can pull something like that together after the season
by Jeff Nusser on Mar 10, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
POY
I gotta say…I just don’t get all of the accolades for Harden. What am I missing? I watched Harden vs. SC, UCLA, UA, UW (twice) and obviously WSU, and only in the game vs. SC did I think he was the best player on the floor. He’s a nice player, but for my money, I’d take Darren Collison any day of the week over Harden as POY. Collison is a better penetrator, almost as good of a shooter and a MUCH better defender. Plus, he is absolutely clutch.
To me, Harden appears to be slow, overweight, and extremely content to stand around at the arc and fire up threes. With the strength that he’s got, he should be getting into the lane a lot more often. While he is a good shooter, I just didn’t come away from any of his performances thinking, “Wow, he dominated that game!” like I did with performances put on by Collison, Jordan Hill, Jerome Randle or even our own Rochestie. I guess you reward the guy for being the most consistently good player?
Somebody please tell me why Harden was POY in a blowout…and I’m not even saying that sarcastically, I really think that I must be missing something. Do you guys have some of your sabermetrics that prove he’s a superior player or something?
by '03CouveCoug on Mar 10, 2009 2:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Here you go
I’ll just start by saying he is, without question, the best player in the league. In terms of the eyeball test, he’s big, he’s physical, he can drive as easily as shoot, he can pass, he can defend … he’s just simply one of the most complete players in the country and a surefire top 5 pick in the NBA draft.
But if you’re looking for less subjective measures, here are the relevant statistics in conference games, with Harden’s conference rank in parentheses:
Minute Percentage: 91.8 (5th)
Offensive Rating: 105.21 (37th)
Use percentage (possessions that end with him): 32.9 (1st – by a mile)
Shot percentage (percentage of his team’s shots when he’s on the floor): 30.41 (2nd)
Effective FG percentage: 56.7 (13th, but sixth among guards and second among guys who use more than 24 percent of their team’s possessions)
Free throw rate: 59.24 (1st)
Defensive rebounding percentage: 13.8 (5th among guards, but the only one of those five to play more than 80 percent of his team’s minutes)
Assist percentage: 29.38 (2nd to Taylor)
Steal percentage: 3.14 (5th, just in front of Collison)
Turnover percentage: 19.28 (29th, but 4th among guards who use at least 24 percent of possessions)
So, to make sense of it all, here’s what it means:
The guy is a straight-up go-to guy. The ball is in his hands more than any other player in the conference, and he’s still able to do more damage than most. Yes, his offensive rating is a bit low (it dropped as he wore down this year), but that’s normal when a guy uses such an absurd number of possessions. (In raw statistics he “used” 534 possessions in Pac-10 play; Jordan Hill was second with 480.)
There just is not a single hole in his game. He can drive and either finish or draw fouls, and he can shoot from outside. When teams try to take him away from ASU, he can find open teammates, and he doesn’t turn the ball over much. He is an excellent on-ball defender who steals the ball and ends possessions with rebounds.
I know he wore down as the season went on, but that was because Herb Sendek is an idiot. He continues to play Harden ridiculous amounts of minutes and thereby assassinate his team’s chances to go deep in the NCAA Tournament. But don’t let his slight tail-off in performance diminish the season that he had. That guy makes that team, and you’ll see just how much next year when he’s collecting his millions in the NBA.
by Jeff Nusser on Mar 10, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Holy Smokes!
Wow, thanks for the enlightenment! I knew that there was something that I was missing. I guess that on the occasions that I had to see Harden play, he just didn’t happen to have his best stuff. You make a great point about Sendek absolutely wearing Harden out as the season progresses…perhaps that’s the true reason for some of the underwhelming performances by Harden of late.
Thanks again for the breakdown! This is why I come to CougCenter every day!
by '03CouveCoug on Mar 11, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The usual Coug anti Husky Bias
The conference votes an almost clean sweep for UW and you throw us a bone with Thomas.
Not saying that I don’t enjoy reading such nonsense.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 10, 2009 2:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's true
We didn’t enjoy giving the Thomas the award either.
This is where per game statistics go to die.
CougCenter
by Dancing Football on Mar 10, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except for the fact that James Harden is the best player
And Craig Rob is the best coach.
Other than that, we’re totally biased.
by Grady. on Mar 10, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all about IT
Coach of the Year and Most Improved are directly tied to Isaiah Thomas in my opinion. Last year all I heard was “Romar can’t coach X’s and O’s” but this year he’s suddenly amazing at it? Romar coaches good defense, and last year I thought he actually did a great job getting the team to start hustling on D, and UW noticeably improved over the year. The improvement this year could very well be explained just by noting that IT got better, which is maybe Romar’s credit or maybe just IT adjusting to the college level. Maybe I’m wrong here but I thought the thinking in Montlake is that the success of the Roy and Robinson era was mostly due to the players and their leadership – you could certainly say the same this year with IT and Brockman.
Robinson added ZERO players (at least any who scored more than 2 points in any game) and bumped the win total up by 7, equalling Romar’s achievement. I can understand giving the award to Romar, and he’s definitely a classy guy, but I don’t know how his coaching this year was really any better than Robinson’s.
Dentmon’s case is even more reliant on IT. Suddenly he doesn’t have to handle the ball anymore and can come off screens all day long. According to StatSheet.com, he actually got worse at rebounding, stealing, assisting (you’d expect that though), fouling, getting free throws, and assist to turnover ratio. All of his improvement has come from shooting (and scoring).
Tony Bennett for Heisman!
by johnnycougar on Mar 10, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But mostly shooting
In my mind, it’s absolutely no contest between Randle and Dentmon — unless you’re more concerned with feel-good stories than you are with facts.
by Jeff Nusser on Mar 10, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Robinson added ZERO players (at least any who scored more than 2 points in any game) and bumped the win total up by 7, equalling Romar’s achievement.
You could pretty much say the same thing about Monty (OK, he added Jorge Gutierrez, but he lost two frontcourt players to the NBA, hardly a wash).
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on Mar 10, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, don't you think it's interesting that he's pretty much been dismissed in this whole conversation?
Strange. I guess it’s because Cal never could seem to really get over that hump and into the Top 25 consistently, and everyone else was so stunned by OSU.
by Jeff Nusser on Mar 11, 2009 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forde gave Monty his coach of the year
This is where per game statistics go to die.
CougCenter
by Dancing Football on Mar 11, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In any other year, any one of those three could be locks for the award
It just so happened this was a year where three teams performed pretty significantly above expectations.
by Jeff Nusser on Mar 11, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgive this Beaver homer...
…BUT I’m surprised to see Seth Tarver’s name omitted from your all defensive team. He led the conference in steals and anchored most of our zone sets that were actually effective. Basically, when the OSU defense was playing well it was because Seth Tarver was playing well.
A little love?
by ArbyOSU on Mar 13, 2009 2:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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