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Terry Porter a candidate at WSU? If so ... bad idea

Cougfan.com is reporting that former Phoenix Suns coach Terry Porter has thrown his proverbial hat into the ring to replace Tony Bennett, and you can go ahead and count me among those who think that would be an absolutely terrible idea.

As my buddy LeaveItToWeaver pointed out to me via text a moment ago, there are a lot of potential positives to such a move. He played under Dick Bennett and as a former NBA player and coach, he would have some clout with recruits. He's a defense-first kind of guy, so it's a philosophy fit. It's a big name, and that alone makes it interesting.

But what about the potential downsides? I obviously don't know Porter personally, and I don't know what motivates him. But I have to wonder: Is a guy like Terry Porter, who's spent years in the NBA, really going to want to invest the time and energy it takes to win at a place like Washington State? Is a guy who's been used to charter flights and cushy practice facilities really going to want to put in the hard work that we know WSU takes?

Porter has absolutely ZERO college coaching experience and really has no idea what he's getting himself into. Ask Houston how hiring Clyde Drexler, another guy with zero college coaching experience, worked out for them. Drexler came in, expected that his name alone would attract recruits, and it didn't. I know this is a little different since Porter has been a coach (Drexler had never coached anything), but it's going to take a lot more that Terry Porter's name to get recruits to seriously consider coming to WSU.

Besides, does he really want to be here? Or is he looking at WSU as a chance to build a college resume so he can bolt for a bigger program at the first opportunity? I know whoever is the next coach will leave, but it's different when the guy comes in with the intention of padding a resume. I'm not saying that's Porter's motivation -- again, I don't pretend to know the guy -- but it's not a stretch to think that would be the case. 

I know it's precisely the kind of out-of-the-box hiring that AD Jim Sterk has become notable for, but I can't help but think it's a disaster waiting to happen. WSU is not big-time enough to satisfy a guy with NBA roots. I want a guy who's worked his way up through the college coaching ranks -- a guy who really knows what he's in for.

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I voted yes not because I think he is the best candidate, (if this is not an april fools)

but because I think he is worth a look. If I am sterk, i make sure he is fully aware of the realities of Pullman and such. I don’t really care about the stepping stone thing, honestly anyone who comes here will use us for that. I am weary that he has never coached college, that would be the biggest question for me. I still favor Bone, but if this is true, I think such a name is surely worth a look and a couple interviews.

by peaty411s on Apr 1, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I should have written the poll better

Because I’m talking about whether hiring him is a good idea or not.

by Jeff Nusser on Apr 1, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ya I think we just need a day or two to see the whole picture

and I don’t want to rule it out. Right now, I would say he is my 2nd choice.

by peaty411s on Apr 1, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just Connected the Dots...

Porter and Mychael Thompson were teammates in Portland…wonder if he is pulling some strings behind the scene?

by Ike Fontaine on Apr 1, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

nice find

that is interesting

by peaty411s on Apr 1, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally didn't think about that

How long were they together there? Any idea whether they were close?

by Jeff Nusser on Apr 1, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question for Nuss

What would you think about someone like Dwane Casey….Head coaching (NBA) experience and ties to the Seattle recruiting base thru AAU.

by Ike Fontaine on Apr 1, 2009 1:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure if it's a good idea or not.

But I’ve heard he’s extremely hard working. He does have ties to the region, if not the school, and seems to be a stand up guy based on his charity work, etc. back in Milwaukee. He’d have cache with kids who dream of someday playing in the NBA, and if he comes from the Dick Bennett school of basketball, he’ll have the kids valuing possessions and playing hard-nosed defense, which has been this schools identity for the last 6 years.

The downsides are exactly what you mentioned. But it seems to me, he’d have the opportunity to coach at other higher profile schools much sooner, if he waited a few weeks as the carousel is just getting started. Oklahoma’ll likely be looking for a coach soon. All kinds of other opportunities.

And, I’m sure he’s talked to Tony (and Dick) about the pros and cons, challenges and possibilities that come with coaching on the Palouse.

by TiltingRight on Apr 1, 2009 1:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If he truly wants to get into college coaching

He’s not going to get a big-name job right off the bat. It’s not surprising he’s interested in WSU — it’s the perfect kind of stepping stone job for him. Not so small that he’s going to have to work forever to build his resume, but not so big that they’d be scared off by his lack of college coaching experience.

by Jeff Nusser on Apr 1, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

good idea

he has a ton of nba experience, player-coach ect…..kids like thames want someone who can get them to the NBA and knows the NBA
defensive minded, and played for bennett, making it more likely he’d keep some of the assistants which help sort term long term

he’s been an nba coach, where the other canidates we are looking at don’t have 1 win coaching in a major conference

he doesn’t care about $$$$, already rich

new challenge, he’ll bust his ass, i’m guessing he likes to win

by donkeyjon12 on Apr 1, 2009 1:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Who says he'll bust his ass?

And who says coaching in the NBA is the same as coaching in college? It’s a totally different game.

But I can see why people like the idea.

by Jeff Nusser on Apr 1, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but he wasn't successful in the NBA

Maybe it means he has a college coaches personality.

by Gnothi Seauton on Apr 1, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and married?

i’m not sure if he is, but he won’t have to make decesions based on his families needs every year which is what bennett’s excuse will be until he has his dream job (vaild or not)

by donkeyjon12 on Apr 1, 2009 1:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Terry Porter

I think this would be an interesting hire, and ultimately a good thing for the program. He would give instant credibility to recruits (and lets face it, all of the players current and letter of intent guys are recruits now). He would keep the Bennett system, which I love and think needs to be kept around. He is also already a multimillionaire so maybe he would not jump ship so quickly. Also, I hate to bring race into it but hiring a black coach is interesting, especially considering the success that Rav had in recruiting. Just my thoughts, but I am on board with Porter.

by Gnothi Seauton on Apr 1, 2009 1:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh good point

I totally forgot all about Graham. I wonder why…

by Gnothi Seauton on Apr 1, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But he was so unforgettable!

What with telling his players they couldn’t live with their girlfriends, drink even if they were 21 or talk to the media without his permission. People wondered why he got passed over for so many jobs before WSU. We found out …

by Jeff Nusser on Apr 1, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

since you said his name.....

Everytime I hear Eastman an image pops into my skull

I think it was the schedule poster that had E holding a basketball out with palms up and the caption read
“We’re in good hands”

I have hated Allstate ever since.

by woolybugger on Apr 1, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok...So...

I think we have to accept that we’re going to be a stepping stone school until we create an environment that will make people want to coach the Cougs long term. I, like everyone else, was thinking that Bennett was that guy ( I even spouted his integrity and commitment to my Coug Mom, I’ll never forgive the guy for making me a liar to my mom, Thanks for that) . We have to capitalize on the talent that we have right now and bringing in a guy like Porter could show the team that we have a commitment to forwarding the program and create the Pro-NBA environment that, lets face it, we need to portray. If Porter comes in for a few years and helps the guys we have signed right now then it’s the right pick. It’s all about the players we have right now and showing them we have faith in their talent and commitment. They’re still the best recruiting class we’ve had in a long time.

http://publish.netitor.com/photos/schools/wast/genrel/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/06mg-13-22.pdf.

Page 17 makes me nervous though.

by Shadycoug on Apr 1, 2009 1:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree, we can't think about who will stay longer

But I wonder how Porter would handle going from the Suns to a WSU team with 1 or 2 upperclassmen. That would be a rough transition.

by peaty411s on Apr 1, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bad Idea

I can’t really put my finger on it but Porter seems like a very bad fit for WSU.

He’s never been a college coach before, never had to deal with recruiting a player etc. I vote no.

by PuyallupCoug on Apr 1, 2009 1:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

...

It’s an April fool’s Joke…
No way does a coach go from the Phoenix Suns WSU…
The only reason he was unsuccessful at the NBA level is because he had the wrong personnel to begin with.

by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Apr 1, 2009 1:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd be very wary of hiring an NBA coach with no college coaching experience.

It’s pretty hit-or-miss bringing a guy from pro sports to amateur sports in both football and basketball. The thing that would be most concerning to me is that not only has Porter never coached at the college level, he doesn’t have that much coaching experience period, and he has had zero success.

In football terms, for every guy like Pete Carroll, who embraces the college atmosphere and works his ass off, there’s a Charlie Weis, who thinks he’s smarter than everybody else and has a sense of entitlement about him. It’s sexy to bring in pro guys, but it’s no sure thing.

http://www.spartyandfriends.com/

by thecassino on Apr 1, 2009 2:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

?

What do you think is harder, dealing with 42 games of travel, a bunch of rich babies with massive ego’s, huge pressure from a front office and city…

Or recrutiting (which your assistants do a lot of) and dealing with 18-22 year olds who for the most part look up to you and want to be the type of player you were.

I’m not saying Porter is our dream guy….but how many Ex-Pro coaches have just thrown their name out there to coach in Pullman?

Take nothing away from Bone, his experience comes from assistant coach at UW and 3 good years at a Big Sky school. T. Porter has played in the finals and coached numerous season in the greatest leauge in the world.

I think if Porter interviews well you have to give him a hard look.

by donkeyjon12 on Apr 1, 2009 2:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Take nothing away from Bone, his experience comes from assistant coach at UW and 3 good years at a Big Sky school

Bone was also the head coach at Seattle Pacific for 12 years, and they were a Division 2 powerhouse under him.

http://www.spartyandfriends.com/

by thecassino on Apr 1, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree

I like bone, I had buddies who played for him and he was great. But there is a big difference between recrutiting at SPU and PSU vs the Pac-10. He had experience no doubt, but Porter has a expereince as well, even if it isn’t in college. Either way I think WSU wins and Sterk will hopefully make the right decesion based on what he see’s in the interview.

by donkeyjon12 on Apr 1, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

...

The kind of guys you get at a d-2 school or portland state are going to get ran in the pac-10…
I just don’t think he can recruit the guys he needs to play his style of basketball well in the pac-10.
TB recruited guys to play his defensive game and we all know that game can work at WSU.

by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Apr 1, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you look inside the stats, he doesn't have a style of basketball

He adapts to his players. He’s a GREAT coach. As for recruiting, he’s a guy who’s had to have an eye for talent, getting the kinds of guys that other schools miss. That’s kind of a prerequisite at WSU.

by Jeff Nusser on Apr 1, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What evidence do you have that Bone won't be able to recruit guys to compete in the Pac-10

When he’s won everywhere he’s been?

http://www.spartyandfriends.com/

by thecassino on Apr 1, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Success is the key here. Yes, DII guys can’t compete in the Pac 10. That’s why they are in DII. But WSU lives off of finding diamonds in the rough (Weaver, Low, Cowgill, Baynes, and maybe Capers), players that aren’t considered Pac 10 talent. That’s a skill a DII coach would have, really seeing how guys compete and how they fit holes a team has.

by 02Coug on Apr 1, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

but wouldn’t be my top choice. I have the same concerns as Nuss, mainly no college coaching experience. He may not be able to recruit, be able to relate to kids, the whole student athlete part of it or know many of the rules. I think he would definitely have positives and create an innicial buzz, but I am not so sure. I would be more compfortable with a guy like Bone. I wouldn’t mind gettin Porter as an assistant to give some buzz and cred and to give him College experience, but I’m not sure about him. I guess the hire would make me nervouse and I could see him jumping ship a lot faster once he gets the experience.

by selahcoug on Apr 1, 2009 2:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hire PSU's Bone

I love the guy and I’m a Portland State student so it would suck but he succeeds everywhere he goes and certainly has strong NW recruiting ties…

Proud member of Duck nation!

by skywaker9 on Apr 1, 2009 2:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Even if it is a joke...

it would be a good idea. Why Porter fits:
- Played for Bennett
- Played four years of college b-ball at an out of the way, frozen, backwoods school not dissimilar from WSU
- Lives in the Pacific NW
- Is a legend in a part of the NW that WSU would like recruiting access to
- Has significant coaching experience (this is much different than Drexler)
- Is a great guy who will bond with fanbase, player’s families and the players

"Greed is Good."
So is Rudy.

by Gekko Mojo on Apr 1, 2009 2:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Weird but...

Feeling a little obsessive now but,

Porter, a second son to Bennett, stayed with the Bennetts for three weeks before training camp to let Bennett prepare him, laughing and sleeping in the same room as Dick’s son Tony, who is now Washington State’s coach. Porter kept the pre-camp routine for 12 NBA seasons, eventually staying a week even as he became a two-time All-Star and a clutch performer who led Portland to two NBA Finals.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/sports/articles/2008/06/22/20080622porter0622.html

Don’t know if it’s good or bad.

by Shadycoug on Apr 1, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess its good,

but I don’t see why he would want to come here more based on the fact that his “second father” used to coach here. Its not like he is still affiliated. Where it helps is the Bennetts maybe telling him Pullman is nice, nice people ect. I think his relationship with Klay’s dad is just as if not more relevant to making the choice to come here.

by peaty411s on Apr 1, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

how'd the last bennett guy

with no previous head coaching experience in college do, but who’d played in the NBA?

by donkeyjon12 on Apr 1, 2009 3:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bad Idea

There are to many downsides. Also, college and the NBA are 2 different animals. Yes, some do make it, but a lot don’t. Pitino tried the NBA and came back…different animal. Floyd at USC is doing okay, but Floyd originally came from college and was flop in the NBA. I don’t think there was one coach in the sweet sixteen this year who came from the NBA. If you want to be a good college basketball team look at the historical top teams. UCLA, Duke, UConn, Syracuse, Georgetown, UNC, Kansas…none of those teams have a NBA players or coaches for a coach and never have (i think). I don’t even know if there was a NBA player or coach in the top 25 this year. Reggi Theis did alright when he was at New Mexico State. Great coaches come through the ranks. That is why Ken Bone is a great pick. Great coaches do the dirty work before the come to national spotlight. Lets not get carried away with star appeal. I can’t think of a NBA player who is making a impact in college basketball. I would be very disappointed with a Porter hire. It would take to long for him to transition, but maybe Thames would stay.

by SoCalCoug on Apr 1, 2009 4:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

NBA player who is making an impact in College Basketball

Look no further than the current head coach at UVA. What’s his name again?

This is where per game statistics go to die.

CougCenter

by Dancing Football on Apr 1, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are right. You had me laughing.

Good one…that totally slipped my mind. But the one thing he had going for him was he played for his dad and was mentored by him. How many NBA coaches will come in and serve for 3 years under a head coach?

by SoCalCoug on Apr 1, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

But Tony had a brief NBA career. Porter played forever, and then went into pro coaching. Tony went straight into college coaching.

by 02Coug on Apr 1, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bad Hire

I grew up a Blazer fan, right in the middle of the great Drexler, Porter, Kersey teams. As a person, you won’t find a more stand up guy then Porter. He’s a great community member, a solid individual, and that probably reflects on his college coaches to some degree.

Here is why I say it’s a bad hire. Porter’s weakness as a player was that he melted under pressure, made crucial mistakes. He overthought things. Seemed to be true as coach of the Suns, he micromanaged and overthought everything. I’m just not convinced that Porter is a good coach, let alone capable of being a good coach in college where he has never coached before.

I love the Bennett’s, but it’s time to move on. I feel hiring Porter might be a move to keep the ties to the Bennett’s alive. There are coaches that have experience doing what we need to do now, recruit players and mold them into a system. That is specifically the experience Porter lacks. Is it possible that he would be a natural recruiter that can keep all of our players/signees and bring in more talent. Yes. It’s also possible that his coaching style will work in college. We have no proof of that though, and now is not the time to throw a hail mary.

by 02Coug on Apr 1, 2009 4:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If this passes as "coug logic" ...

… then I’m glad I went to UW. Seriously, your take is that he’s a bad hire because as a player “he melted under pressure” and “made crucial mistakes”? A crucial mistake was your choice in higher education, but desperation is the enemy of reasoning. I see you graduated in ’02 which, even by WSU standards, means you were still popping pimples when TP was advancing into the twilight of his Blazers career. Forgive us if we have to take your studied analysis with a grain of salt. I especially found convincing your argument that TP “micromanaged” the Suns (whatever that means) and, for good measure, just ignored the fact that he was the head coach for another franchise as well as a top assistant on two other franchises … but, hey, those accomplishments are meaningless.

Just a little friendly ribbing. My brother is a Coug and he loves the idea. I think you’d guys be nuts to not hire him if he wants the job… so I’m hoping that you don’t.

"Greed is Good."
So is Rudy.

by Gekko Mojo on Apr 1, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Play nice

No need for personal attacks on another community member.

by Jeff Nusser on Apr 1, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK

I was teasing – I certainly didn’t mean anything as an attack. I thought that was evident in post.

"Greed is Good."
So is Rudy.

by Gekko Mojo on Apr 2, 2009 4:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You did say that at the end

There’s just no need for the first part. That’s all. No harm, no foul.

by Jeff Nusser on Apr 2, 2009 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is what micromanaged the Suns mean

The Suns had one of hte best PG’s in the NBA. For years they played a run and gun style. While that didn’t get them an NBA title, it got them really close

Porter came in and shackled their system. He made Nash play slower and focus on defense, not Nashes strength. He didn’t coach to the strength of the team he had, but to the beliefs in his system. Bill Simmons talked with Nash earlier this season, before Porter was fired, and commented on how he seemed worn out and saw the door closing, especially with their current infighting and player problems. Some of those existed prior to Porter being coach, but as a coach he did not diffuse the situation and build unity. That’s harder to do in the NBA then in college, but it’s a trademark of many good teams.

So, hope that explains micromanaging to you.

As far as not mentioning that he had coached other NBA teams, as head coach and assistant, I didn’t want to run on forever. He has been fired twice as a head coach. Not a career killer, but it makes me wary. Top assistant for a good team doesn’t make a great coach, PJ Carlisemo’s NBA coaching career is evidence of that.

by 02Coug on Apr 2, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and on the melted under pressure

I mentioned that because he was a PG, a position generally viewed as the coach on the floor. If a player makes poor decisions at crunch time, do they automatically make the right calls as a coach? It’s possible that he could have grown as a coach and become better at late game decisions. However, his coaching record doesn’t show that.

by 02Coug on Apr 2, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the Porter rumor...

Dnews.com is reporting that he was spotted on the campus with Dick Bennett today. That sounds too odd to be true on April fools day. But the fact that this has stuck around all day leads me to believe its not just one or two people pulling a prank. I guarantee you one thing, If Dick was on campus with Porter today and they both met with Sterk, he is the front runner by far for the gig.

by peaty411s on Apr 1, 2009 7:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

GREAT IDEA!!!

Nuss,

Here is my logic having more time to think about everything. Bone is the safe pick, Porter is the sexy pick. Here’s why.

IMHO Porter has more potential to keep ALL of our team together including: Thames, Motum and Simon more specifically. The appeal of a guy who is fresh out of the NBA has to be very appealing! Can you imagine Porter calling Motum and saying, “Yeah, I spent the last year working with Stoudemire and Shaq, I might be able to help you develop your game.”

“Hey Thames, do you see yourself more as a Steve Nash type or Jason Richardson? I worked them both.”

“What was it like playing against Magic, Bird, Jordan? What does it take to be successful and get into the NBA from a small school? I’ll tell you.”

Terry Porter will give us the first legitimate chance of pulling a McDonald’s All-America level talent. Ken Bone will never ever get there regardless of how good he makes Pullman.

I think the continuity is there with Porter and he keeps the assistant coaches on board. Who knows when he bails in 2 years, then maybe Woodley and/or Johnson are ready. The thought he doesn’t have the college coaching experience, well he knows how to call plays and if he keeps some of the assistants in place I don’t see his NBA experience being unable to translate. If anything, it appears his coaching style is MORE geared toward college were kids will listen to you and buy in, than what he received from Phoenix. He had veteran players who were unwilling to adapt to his slowed down style. This shouldn’t be the issue with 18 year olds who are all ears.

Going back to Bone. I definitely will not be upset if we get him, but here is my other thought. It seems the main draw to Bone is he has the best chance of sticking around for longer. Well, does he? What happens when Romar decides to move on or Ernie Kent is relieved and he has a chance to move back to the west side of the state. We can no longer be naive and think he is going to stick around Pullman for 10 years. Heck, he might still be there at PSU in 3 years when Porter bails on us and we are in an even better situation by then. That puts him 3 years closer to the retirement talk and potentially Romar is cemented in at UW, and Ernie Kent has turned a leaf in Oregon or we get to see if he will bounce to Oregon if given the chance. If Tim Floyd will leave a very scary looking USC team for Arizona, then Ken Bone could bolt from WSU for Oregon or UW.

One of the first things I thought of was that Mychal Thompson spearheaded this interest. It will be interesting to see how serious Porter is about it and the vibe that Sterk is given on whether he really wants to be in Pullman or is just itching to coach.

by LeaveItToWeaver on Apr 1, 2009 8:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think the main reason to like Bone is his possibility of staying

I think it’s possible he will stay, not likely though.

There a few reasons I like Bone. First, our coach would be Coach Bone.

Seriously though, what I like about him is that he is a proven winner in college, and has shown that he can identify and recruit the appropriate talent for his level of schools. That’s a big thing in Pullman. Porter’s not bringing in a McD’s All American either, just because he’s got NBA chops doesn’t mean that they choose to come to us over the Dukes, UNCLA’s, UNC’s, etc. The key to recruiting is knowing the appropriate talent for your school, and getting the players you want.

by 02Coug on Apr 2, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mychal Thompson has to have Klay's best interest at heart.

Would he suggest a coach for his son if he didn’t think he was capable? Especially one he knows?

by displacedcoug on Apr 2, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

One would think

But I’m not sure how much he knows about what it takes to be a successful college coach. I dunno. Seems like a pretty good endorsement, nonetheless.

by Jeff Nusser on Apr 2, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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