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THE MORNING PAPER: Apple Cup at Qwest edition

I don't know if you're all Apple Cupped out, but if you're not, here's some of what's around as more people weigh in on the "probable" (as Grippi put it) move of the Apple Cup to Qwest for at least six years.

Before I get on to the links, just a couple of thoughts. No, I'm not going to continue pimping the idea of the game. You know how I feel about it. But as time has gone by in the last 36 hours, I've found myself sympathizing more and more with those of you who hate it.

I've been examining why I like the idea, and a lot of it stems from this: Born and raised and now once again living in Western Washington, I have loads of friends -- and family members -- who are Huskies. The thought of all of us partying it up outside the stadium because we now all can go no matter where the game is, then going to our separate sides of the stadium, then meeting up again afterwards and eventually driving home sure sounds like a heck lot of fun to me. The convenience factor isn't small, either. So in a way, yeah, it's kind of selfish.

But I just can't get one nagging thought out of my head. What if it sucks?

I don't think it's going to, but what if it does? As Plaster96 pointed out in another thread, once you open Pandora's box of that kind of revenue, it's tough to put the genie back in. (How's that for an awesomely mixed metaphor?) We're trading the known really special thing we have in Pullman for the unknown of this arrangement. And that's scaring the hell out of me more and more. I really don't want to look back in 16 years, when Joshua is a freshman, and say, "Son, you should have seen it when this game was in Pullman the last time. Both teams were terrible, but boy -- was that place rocking like only Martin Stadium can. When that last field goal went through, the place just exploded as crimson flooded the field. I took it easy on your poor grandpa, though -- he bought the tickets ..."

I'm not one to normally live in fear and I tend to embrace change -- moving four times and changing jobs three times in the first five-plus years of your marriage will do that to you -- so I'll continue to be cautiously behind the move. But I reserve the right to apologize profusely and ask for your forgiveness if it turns out I'm really, really wrong.

OK, on to the links. First off, it sounds as if Paul Wulff and the players are rather ambivalent about it. Wulff, a Coug through and through if there ever was one, understands both sides of the issue:

"Does the value outweigh the negative?" Wulff asked. "That’s the bottom line. That’s where it’s at. And that’s been my only part in this process."

Does it?

"At the end, today’s day and where we are, economy-wise, and some of the other things you could do scheduling-wise, it could," he said. "And if people knew all the facts, the details of it, it might."

John Blanchette has a solid look at it here, saying even though the cash considerations are probably making it inevitable, it still sucks.

If Jim Walden can’t work up a good froth over it, what’s the point in the rest of us even trying? ...

"Emotionally, I’m against it," Walden said, "but as much as I hate to see it go, that’s just the way it has to be."

That, ladies and gentlemen, is the sound of surrender.

He does have a factual inaccuracy, though -- the Cougs are 6-8 in Apple Cups in Pullman since 1982, not 7-7. And I'll point out again that we're 5-8 at Montlake over the same time span.

Bud Withers talks to some former Cougs and Huskies about it, and the most interesting take is from former UW AD Mike Lude. He thinks that there's no way the programs aren't going to get short shrift from a third party taking its share of the cut:

"I know about negotiating with third parties," Lude said. "It's a bad idea. It grieves me to think that those two institutions, with the great rivalry ... after all, it IS intercollegiate athletics."

Lastly, there's one area columnist -- the venerable Art Thiel -- who thinks this is a smart move:

In a time when jobs, budgets and programs at both state schools are being slashed, the chance to capitalize on a mutual asset to help preserve athletic departments is a no-brainer.

Although the biannual opportunity for traveling UW football fans to skid off a frozen highway into mud bog that was a lentil field will be sorely missed, it is what must be sacrificed if we are to engage in the ritual soul-cleansing clash of 0-12 and 2-11 titans.

An easy choice, really.

That's your roundup for this morning. We'll check in later with some other stuff. See you then.

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6 years isn't forever...

I think we also need to keep in mind that the deal is only for 6 years. What would stop us from going back to the current arrangement? Worst case scenerio the school make $12 mil versus $3 mil in an economically uncertain time and hopefully uses some of that money to advance the program to a higher level. Thus we erupt out of 6 year hiatus from the Pullman apple cup financially stronger and with an improved football team.

Addionally, and as much as I hate to say it, the fuskies will probably get their new stadium sometime in the next 6 years and would probably want to use for their biggest game of the year…

by Displaced_Spokanite on Apr 17, 2009 11:47 AM PDT reply actions  

That's funny Nuss...

Because as you were starting to see where those that hate the idea are coming from, I was starting to see the positives of the deal! And I was very much against the idea yesterday afternoon. At least we both know that we’re rational and pragmatic, huh?!?

For me, the bottom line is that if the deal is only for 6 years, I can live with it. And certainly know what an infusion of an extra $12MM of cash to the Athletic Dept. will do for our program as a whole. However, my trepidation comes from exactly what you and Plaster96 bring up…pretty tough to give up a guaranteed revenue stream like that just to move a game back to Martin Stadium. Like I said in my contribution to that last thread, think of this move like a government tax…when was the last time that a tax was ever truly repealed? I’m not saying that it doesn’t happen, but it sure is infrequent!

For me, that is the root of the problem. Even if the event does suck from a fans perspective, will the Athletic Dept. truly make that a priority over a guaranteed $2MM (or possibly more) when the contract comes up for renewal?

I guess we’re going to find out!

And let me just tell you once again how much I enjoy your site. We can both sit on opposite sides of the fence, yet still engage in thoughtful, respectful debate. Nice to know that sort of thing does in fact still go on in this world, even if it’s only about sports! At least we know how many people truly do care very much about our beloved Cougs.

by '03CouveCoug on Apr 17, 2009 12:20 PM PDT reply actions  

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