Latest USC allegations aren't good for anyone - including WSU
I'll just go ahead and skip the introduction and let you take this in for yourself:
LOS ANGELES – USC men’s basketball coach Tim Floyd made a direct cash payment to a man who helped deliver O.J. Mayo to the Trojans program, according to Louis Johnson, a former member of Mayo’s inner circle.
Johnson, a one-time Mayo confidant, has told both NCAA investigators and federal authorities – including the FBI, IRS and U.S. Attorney’s Office – that Floyd gave at least $1,000 in cash to Rodney Guillory, a man who allegedly lavished Mayo with improper benefits while the guard starred for the Trojans.
Such an act would constitute a major NCAA violation for USC, which is the subject of an ongoing three-year investigation into alleged improprieties in both the football and men’s basketball programs.
You can find the full report here. To the NCAA, this kind of allegation is beyond huge -- the only bigger no-no than someone around a program paying for a player is a coach paying for a player. Just ask Todd Bozeman how the NCAA generally handles that one.
There's not exactly unadulterated outrage on the Internet right now over it, I think because of the relatively small sum of the payment and how long these USC investigations are dragging out. But anyone who thinks this isn't a big dang deal is either ignorant or severely jaded -- we're talking about a COACH paying for a PLAYER. There are obvious implications in competitive advantage in such a move, hence the reason why the NCAA so heavily penalizes coaches and schools (hello, mid-80s SMU!) found guilty of it.
While the brazenness displayed by Floyd in Johnson's account is jaw-dropping, Floyd may never actually be individually punished by the NCAA -- especially if Johnson's statement can't be corroborated in some way. As Rick Neuheisel demonstrated, if you're going to interfere with a coach's ability to be gainfully employed, you better make darn sure you have an ironclad case.
But when coupled with the agent allegations already surrounding Mayo and Reggie Bush -- and the NCAA is coupling them -- big trouble appears to be on the horizon for the Trojans.
This latest account just adds to a growing mountain of circumstantial evidence that's leading to the dreaded "lack of institutional control" label being bandied about. And we all know that's a term no athletic department wants even within earshot of its program. Forget the fact that the NCAA investigation of USC is taking so long; when an organization is taking on one of it's 2,000-pound gorillas, it better have all its ducks in a row. The fact that the investigation is taking so long (going on three years now) ought to be a sign that the scope and depth of this is bigger than people want to admit, not a sign that the NCAA is coming up empty handed.
While we'd like to sit here and smugly smile at USC's misfortune bred by this apparent bit of hubris, that's a pretty shortsighted view to take. If this were Ohio State or Florida State or Oklahoma, I'd be laughing my head off, but what's bad for USC is bad for the Pac-10 and by extension bad for us. Love them or hate them, the Trojans generate a tremendous amount of interest and revenue for the conference that gets shared with all of us. For that reason alone, I'd like to hope it comes out that all of this is untrue. But that's sure looking like a long shot at this point.
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Interesting and fair take
It is easy for us to get high and mighty. SC is so rich and they still cheat so much. However, you are correct that the Pac 10 would get hurt if SC is taken down in football. They do bring in huge dollars to the conference. The conference splits up bowl money after costs to the school. WSU can’t afford to lose a BCS bowl check at the moment. We could use 2 the next couple of years.
by BornCoug on May 13, 2009 3:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree, however...
Keep in mind that the Pac-10 champ is guaranteed a BCS birth. So, we get that money regardless of whether SC goes or not.
I think that the biggest repercussion from a potential SC downfall will be the lack of national exposure for the conference as a whole, in terms of football. As we all know, the folks east of the Rocky Mountains are relatively unaware that there are 8 other teams in the Pac-10 besides the LA schools! I suppose if SC gets serious punishment, an opportunity arises for another Pac-10 program.
I’m not sure how I feel about that because it appears to me that the next strongest program in the conference, thus most likely to inherit SC’s throne is…gulp…OREGON. I don’t think I could take the Ducks as a national power…especially given my Vancouver locale. The Duck fans in Portland are almost unbearable as it is. I can’t imagine what they’d be like after a couple of Pac-10 titles!
by '03CouveCoug on May 13, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's Garbage!
I don’t care how much money USC brings into the Pac-10 and Cougar athletics. If they cheated, they cheated. If they are getting a competitive advantage because they can offer cash payments to players, handlers, or family, that isn’t fair and I don’t want any part of it. If USC, or anyone associated with the programs, violated NCAA rules, they deserve to be punished, sanctioned, banned, just as I would expect to happen to us.
by HitKing69 on May 13, 2009 3:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say they shouldn't be punished if they cheated
I just said I hope the cheating isn’t true. Big difference.
by Jeff Nusser on May 13, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point...
At this point, I think there is very little doubt that USC is guilty of at least some cheating. It then becomes a matter of how major is it and can the NCAA prove it. More importantly, will they do anything about it.
by '03CouveCoug on May 13, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even though it's been in the works for three years.....
This latest revelation is going to force the NCAA’s hand in this whole messy issue in dealing with USC. I had always thought they (NCAA) were trying their best to sweep it all under the carpet. Maybe it was as you say, they wanted to build an ironclad case. If they are cheating, I hope they pay the appropriate price.
I also think the main beneficiaries of all this will be the program in Seattle. Ucla and Oregon will benefit too, but this will open the floodgates of talent to the UW in my humble opinion. In a roundabout way, we will benefit because there will be more Washington state kids available to us if Sarkisian and Romar make the center of their universe the metropolitan LA area. Riley in Corvalis will have a field day at USC’s expense too. I think all the Pac-10 schools will benefit in that respect. Many of those high-profile kids in California will still want to play in the Pac-10, I’m assuming.
Maybe I’m all wet about that, but I think the bar is about to be raised in this state as far as expectations are concerned. I’m also pretty sure most of the allegations, going back to the Reggie Bush stuff, have some substance to them. Just saying….
by SW WA Coug on May 13, 2009 6:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
recruit fallout
how are the recruits not going to end up at UCLA? It’s still in LA…
Maybe they go elsewhere, I just don’t see a huge difference between USC and UCLA.
by displacedcoug on May 13, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't see a huge difference between Ucla and USC and neither do I....
In the 80’s and 90’s and to a certain extent under Neuheisel, UW was a dominant program on the West Coast. Ucla and USC were dominant programs also, especially when Ucla had Terry Donahue running the program. Right now, Ucla is getting a ton of talent out of LA and that will continue. You can only add 25 kids a year. USC will lose talent, Ucla’s might go up a notch but then there are kids that need a place to go that might have been headed to USC or Ucla.
There’s a huge gap between what UW was and what UW is at the current time. Sarkisian will mine that area for all it’s worth to get the premier kids to come to Seattle. He’s heavily into the 4 and 5 star kids at this time, even when it comes to recruiting in Washington. Oregon will benefit from USC’s problems too, but their program is already in great shape and they are already getting their share of high-profile kids from that area.
UW has a heck of a history with LA kids and going to the Rose Bowl. That’s a pretty solid selling point and if UW ever gets their stadium issues resolved, that’s another major selling point. The city of Seattle also has a lot going for it.
It’s kind of funny that USC’s greed is at the root of their downfall. The Trojans need to prepare for sanctions and lean times. I wonder what else goes on down there that we haven’t heard about. Just saying….
by SW WA Coug on May 14, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh...
Say that in LA and you’ll get laughed out of the room (referring to not a huge a difference), but you are right, you can bet that as soon as recruiting starts up again, Neuheisel will be going after every single USC recruit with this information. If I was a potential USC recruit, I’d be looking elsewhere at the moment. If was committed to stay in Southern California, there is only one other choice. That, and 2 years from now UCLA is looking like it will be an upper PAC-10 program. The last 2 years recruiting classes were excellent, and the coaching staff is pretty darn good.
by captainqtp on May 13, 2009 10:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You may be right about UCLA, but
The reason I said Oregon stands to benefit the most from a potential SC downfall is because of two words: RICK NEUHEISEL. UCLA would be in a great position to become dominant if the NCAA brings the hammer down on the Trojans, except that Slick Rick can’t ever seem to stay out of his own way. He has a proven track record of seriously bending NCAA rules, not to mention the fact that he always seems to be on the lookout for the “better job.” Perhaps UCLA really is his “dream job” (I know he’s an alum) and there is a chance he learned from his many mistakes at CU and UW. I just won’t believe it until I see it.
Oregon has never really gotten into any hot water with the NCAA and they’ve got the Duck hype machine humming at this point. I just think that with Uncle Phil’s money and Oregon’s extreme desire to be the premier football school on the West Coast (UCLA will always be a basketball first school), they stand the best chance to assume USC’s throne.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go throw up and follow it up with a long shower.
by '03CouveCoug on May 14, 2009 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neuheisel
has been gunning for the head coach position since the day he started coaching. He went elsewhere because he felt he got passed over unfairly. All the evidence points to UCLA being his dream job. I don’t think he’d put his dream job in jeopardy over an office gambling pool or something like that.
Even in the past recruiting class Neuheisel persuaded several recruits that were either committed to USC, or considering USC to come over to the UCLA side. I don’t see why this trend wouldn’t continue as USC’s attractiveness wanes.
As far as being a basketball school, true, we have that reputation, but everyone in LA is committed to making into a school that is just damn good at sports in general.
by captainqtp on May 14, 2009 1:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Slick Rick
Even if Slick Rick can keep himself out of trouble, he has a penchant for recruiting tremendous “skill” positon players only. The wheels fell off at UW after he left because he basically left them no talent on either line. And that was coming off of a trip to the Rose Bowl in 2001.
Bottom line is, he’s still got a lot of questions to answer even if SC takes a hard fall in the next couple of seasons.
by '03CouveCoug on May 14, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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