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Woodward: Still simmering over WSU

Art Thiel checks in with UW AD Scott Woodward this morning for the SeattleP-I.com to get a temperature check on how the ol' administrator is doing in the midst of all the bad news he's had to deliver lately.

Most of it made me yawn. Until I reached this passage:

Speaking of the legislature, Woodward said the last thing he wanted to see during the session was a story about moving the Apple Cup to the Seahawks' digs. But a leak to the Spokane Spokesman-Review apparently was decisive in derailing the idea.

"I didn't want this to get discussed in the middle of the legislative session, because all the issues get mixed up," he said. "I asked to deal with this after the session, and it didn't happen."

So, let me get this straight: Everyone has consistently said this deal fell apart over UW ticket demands, yet Woodward subtly implies that the deal actually tanked because WSU leaked the deal to the Spokesman-Review before he was ready for it.

Now, I sort of understood his initial comments about Sterk and Floyd in the immediate wake of S.B. 6116 dying, even though I thought it was classless. He was frustrated. I get that. But to still be simmering to the degree that you feel the need to throw another jab about the thing three weeks later? It just smacks of the same baseless bitterness that caused him to lash out in the first place.

But, ever the peacemaker, Woodward is more than willing to mend fences -- especially with regards to the Apple Cup at Qwest:

Woodward still thinks the idea works if UW could strike a deal with Washington State for a 60-40 allocation of tickets seats every other year to accommodate the Huskies larger season ticket base, while splitting the revenue each time.

"You split the (67,000) seats down the middle, and I'm potentially telling 8,000 season-ticket holders, 'You're out of luck,'" he said. "I don't want that kind of alienation.

"I think Qwest Field has great potential to make a bigger event out of the Apple Cup, one where everyone can win."

In Woodward's world, this is a scenario where "everyone can win":

  • UW: Three times neutral contest, three times home field advantage, zero times road disadvantage
  • WSU: Three times neutral contest, zero times home field advantage, three times road disadvantage

That's right -- everyone wins! Unless, of course, you count the WSU football team, which would have to play at a disadvantage every other year without the benefit of a reciprocal advantage. But what do they matter, as long as their athletic department is getting paid?

The more Woodward talks, the more I grow to dislike him. If you want to say that you couldn't do right by your season ticket holders in a 50/50 split and that caused you to pull out, fine. But don't continue to lob insults across the mountains through the media and then further insult your counterparts by insisting that an inherently unfair system is a situation where everyone wins.

It's just the typical, arrogant Husky rhetoric that suggests that they're the ones doing us a favor by letting us hang around their neighborhood. As long as the world revolves around the University of Washington and its whims and wishes, everything is cool. But if someone dares not to "bow down?" Someone blows their top.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again -- this kind of empty rhetoric does nobody any good. Insult each other all you want in times of plenty. This isn't a time of plenty. Let's get back to working together. We both need the help.

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What a small man...

Small in mind and body. Hard to believe that someone with the responsibility that he has on a daily basis has not moved on by now. Instead, he finds new ways to be classless and petty. Woodward truly needs to grow the hell up.

by '03CouveCoug on May 14, 2009 3:26 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't like Woodward

and not sure if I read that right, but I’m not sure if he didn’t mean a 60-40 split every other year for each school. So the year one team is the home team, that team gets the 60% and the next year it is the other school. If he means that they get 60% one year and 50% the next, then he is way too full of himself. I don’t like the idea of moving the game anyway, but if they did make it 60% every other year to each team, then it would make more sense for the UW to accomodate their season ticket holders and keep it even and give one team somewhat of an advantage each year, though being in Seatte it is still an advantage for UW. One question I wonder though, is what happens when the UW moves to Qwest and it is their home field? During their supposed remodel, they are supposed to play there at least one year.

http://wsufoundation.wsu.edu/giving/enteramount.asp?Fund=Martin%20Stadium%20Project

by selahcoug on May 14, 2009 5:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Nuss....

Do you think a 60/40 plan is the answer every other year like selahcoug suggests? If we could work a deal of that nature, would we be able to sell our allotment of tickets?

Woodward did say the revenue would be divided 50/50 during those 60/40 years, so that’s a concession of sorts. I do agree with the points you make.

I’m just curious if there is a middle ground where the sides can make an agreement. There’s an awful lot of revenue for both schools at stake.

by SW WA Coug on May 14, 2009 5:32 PM PDT reply actions  

50/50 division

I don’t believe that is a concession. Isn’t that the Pac 10 agreement for all games? When this came out there were stories about the division of tickets. Whether it would simulate the current setup or go 50/50. It looks to me Woodward agreed then under pressure from UW fans caved. The agreement was a “neutral field”. What part of neutral did Woodward not understand?

WSU is already making a concession in travel. I understand Sterk holding firm on keeping the game as neutral as possible. Both schools need this deal and Woodward killed it by asking for more seats. No surprise he would search for someone else to blame. That’s the mutt way.

by BornCoug on May 14, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

WSU isn't UWs rival?

I know we have all heard that once or 1000 times before. “Our rival is SC in football or Oregon or anyone but little brother”.

So why was their such an uproar about season ticket holders potentially missing a game against a program the mutt collective doesn’t care about? You would think it would be much ado about nothing.

They crack me up.

by BornCoug on May 14, 2009 6:48 PM PDT reply actions  

60/40 alternate with 50/50 money split each year

you know, I would revisit this if I were the AD – I think it is a chance to give our program a great west side annual event and generate MUCH needed money – at the same time, I know I’m probably going to get lashed for suggesting …

by Steptoe Fan on May 14, 2009 8:04 PM PDT reply actions  

That wasn't the deal

The way I understood it, Woodward wants 60/40 his home years, and 50/50 the rest. If it was 60/40, 40/60 why the hell would it matter that it wasn’t just always 50/50. Think about it, the same amount of people get to see it from his school either way. Woodward is an arrogant prick IMHO

by Brian Floyd on May 14, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

It makes no sense to me

The way I see it, 60/40 alternating is the same as 50/50 each year. So those alumni that don’t get to go to the game the “home” year get to see a game the “away” year that they wouldn’t have seen otherwise. What is UW’s problem with a neutral split

by Brian Floyd on May 14, 2009 10:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Exactly

UW could have worked out a system with their season ticket holders where they are guaranteed a ticket in the 2nd year of their season ticket deal and then they could potentially buy the Apple Cup tickets seperately in the year inwhich they weren’t guaranteed a seat.

by cfred on May 14, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

what I was trying to say

the 60/40 year one and 40/60 year 2 is regarding tickets to schools, so the same number of fans would NOT get to see the game each year. Every other year, dogs would get to have the number they want, and the other year, they would definitely be the away team.

sort of mimicks what happens now, us in sea and then dogs in P.

the 50/50 money split is each year, so total gate is half and half.

what am I missing ?

by Steptoe Fan on May 15, 2009 12:16 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't see what the big deal is from their perspective....

With a 60/40, 40/60 deal every other year, it still works out to a 50/50 fan and money split every year. What’s not fair about that?

We’re the ones that have to travel so they aren’t inconvenienced in that respect. If anyone should have a complaint it’s our alumni, students and fans from the eastern part of the state. They’re the ones that take it in the shorts.

This is turning into the Hatfield and McCoys.

by SW WA Coug on May 15, 2009 9:18 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm not sure what's up with that, either

Although, I just don’t think it would be that difficult to work a system where Huskies get Apple Cup tickets every other year on a 50/50 split. Ask them to make a two-year commitment on their seats and they’ll be guaranteed to get an Apple Cup ticket at least once in those two years. Then make it happen. What’s so difficult about that?

by Jeff Nusser on May 15, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

By the way, a 60/40 split doesn't solve all their problems anyway

I don’t know why Woodward would even throw that figure out there. Sixty percent of 67,000 is only 40,200. If the program takes off like they all are certain it will, they’ll have no problem getting up over 50,000 season tickets. So what do they do then?

by Jeff Nusser on May 15, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Woodward waited until the last possible minute....

To throw his changeup Sterk’s way, hoping it would be too late for Jim to back away from the deal. It took some cajones for Sterk to stand up to Woodward, IMHO. I’m glad he did.

When you factor in the stadium issues Woodward had with Sterk and Floyd, I think instincts took over and Woodward started acting like a bully. Now, it’s not unusual at all to hear the unveiled threats about WSU and our future in the Pac-10. It’s getting rediculous.

Scott Woodward should have thought it out a little more thoroughly before he even entertained the idea of playing the Apple Cup at Qwest. I think Sterk had his ducks all in a row from the get go but Woodward was swaying in the wind the whole time, succumbing to the whims and rants of his constituency. I’m pretty sure Jim was hearing that stuff too, but he had already taken a firm position and wasn’t about to give in to unreasonable demands at the last minute for the sake of making it work.

Thanks Jim. I appreciate all you do for our school.

by SW WA Coug on May 15, 2009 3:10 PM PDT reply actions  

You know what's funny?

If you check out the post I just put up, a little "thorough" thinking could solve this whole thing.

by Jeff Nusser on May 15, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's all about wins and losses for Woodward....

It has nothing to do with how the game is played. Hey Scott, see any winners in this scenario?

It’s brute force versus logic. He’s the bully that didn’t get his way.

Why should Scotty think it through when he’s always gotten away with being the biggest, strongest kid on the block? He’s getting whupped at his own game. Talk about a poor sport / sore loser.

I wonder how he likes his crow, because if a deal ever does get done, his feedbag will be full of it.

by SW WA Coug on May 15, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

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