When is this crap going to end?
by Jeff Nusser on Jun 10, 2009 2:43 PM PDT
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Per Cougfan.com:
A PAIR OF Cougar defensemen have been arrested and were subsequently suspended from the team pending further information, WSU Sports Information said on Wednesday.
Tyree Toomer and LeAndre Daniels were arrested on theft and burglary charges and were immediately suspended.
The two apparently are accused of stealing bicycles that were found at their shared residence along with a hacksaw which was stolen from a nearby construction site. Toomer is the backup to ... Xavier Hicks! (Let the jokes from your Husky friends start ... now.) Daniels is the third string strong safety.
Let this sink in for a second: We're looking at the very real possibility that three of our top six safeties are going to be kicked off the team from what was already one of the worst defensive secondaries in the country last year.
This is so not good on any level.
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When Doba’s recruits are gone it’ll slow down.
by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Jun 10, 2009 3:01 PM PDT reply actions
but they have been taught "leadership" and "the way to do things" by Doba's recruits
We can only hope Wulff’s mantra of Character wins out in the end.
by johnnycougar on Jun 10, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
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Wasn’t that first class put together at the last second with a bunch of guys Doba had been in contact with in the first place? I mean just looking at this year’s class of guys, they all seem to have good grades in HS and be more of that high character status.
by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Jun 10, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably true
But Wulff ultimately signs off on them. However, he was probably taking what he could get at that point …
Maybe this is why
Wulff recruited so many safeties the last couple of years? At this rate they had just better add a few more stripes to the new unis and a couple more digits to their numbers. This is getting ridiculous. Time to dump the unity council and start kicking guys off the team.
http://wsufoundation.wsu.edu/giving/enteramount.asp?Fund=Martin%20Stadium%20Project
Due Process
Let’s let the legal system take its course before we make like Tom Smikowski and jump to conclusions.
Nonetheless, if this does end up being true, here’s a question for you all…how colossally stupid do you have to be to jeopardize your scholarship and your football career over a doggone bike? I know that I did some dumb things in college, but nothing like this! What is the reward for stealing a bike?!? You pawn it for a few bucks? Or, being that these guys are obviously dumb (if this story is true), would they actually ride it around campus?
I really hope that this turns out to be a completely overblown rumor. If not, I’m at a loss as to why these yahoos should be allowed to stay on the team.
Just makes me wonder
if we’re surprised as fans because some of these players are actually completely stupid and only pass their freshman classes because they have tutors. Maybe some of these guys really wouldn’t get into any college in the country unless they have full time help? I always thought the “dumb jock” stereotype was overplayed but maybe not.
by johnnycougar on Jun 10, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a pretty broad stroke of the brush...
Considering that there are roughly 70+ guys currently on the team that have never been in any kind of trouble, at least that’s been reported. Plus, for every story like this, there are 10 stories about the guys that make the most of their opportunity for a free education. Unfortunately, those stories are rarely told. However, I see the point you’re trying to make.
I think there are several cases of players being given the opportunity of a free education because they’re gifted athletically that would otherwise have no business setting foot on a college campus. Is that right? I’m not sure. There are countless stories of wasted opportunities. There are also hundreds of stories about guys capitalizing on their opportunity and making the most of their education.
I guess that the bottom line is that there are stupid people everywhere, athletics included.
by '03CouveCoug on Jun 10, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Sad but true
Yeah, I suppose it’s very possible that the “good stories” don’t get as much press and so it’s unfair to categorize all the players this way. That’s why I said “some”, and I did mean “some” in the strictest sense. I really don’t mind the average football player taking general studies or something as long as he stays out of trouble. You’re getting free room & board and getting to play the sport you love, with a small chance of making millions someday, and the only thing that will jeopardize it is failing classes or breaking the law, and it’s summer so you don’t have any classes… so you steal a bike? Really?
As far as “stupid people everywhere” goes, that’s true, and that’s also why I hope these guys are kicked off the team and face whatever punishment the court would decide for an average joe.
by johnnycougar on Jun 11, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Athletes take classes in the summer
I’m pretty sure they are all put on early graduation plans.
I never really liked the old tagline.
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by Craig Powers on Jun 11, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
To be honest, I was thinking the exact same thing
Raise your hand if you’ve ever been arrested for stealing. I know we’ve been over this before, but how hard is it not to break laws?
True, true.
You’d think that most athletes would be intelligent enough to recognize that their free education is not worth risking over a friggin’ bike.
But, as I mentioned above, there are stupid people everywhere.
by '03CouveCoug on Jun 10, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't help but think about the Xavier Hicks situation too....
His was more an act of stupidity on the whole, only technically a crime. I’m probably the one you are actually referring to, and rightfully so.
When I was a student, I spent a night in the Pullman slammer and it taught me a lesson I never forgot, nor repeated. I guarantee you I’m no saint.
If the information is indeed true, the latest incident involves premeditated behavior. They knew they were wrong the minute they even contemplated following through with the theft, or even absconding with the hack saw.
I was hoping that having a unity council would provide enough peer pressure for everyone on the team that they would make more of an effort to toe the line, so to speak. I’m hoping this is all just a bad dream.
Why Wait ?
It is time for Coach to ACT ! If the report is true, then we have 2 felons and one idiot on the same bus outta Pullman – ASAP !
This has to stop, it’s killing our Team, if we still have one after all this ! If we have another miserable season, if the rebuilding is going to take longer, SO BE IT !
Recruit character FIRST – and do the homework on it !
I’m pissed !
How many criminals do you want on the team?
Wulff needs to purge from the team these criminal elements. Stupidity is not an excuse.
When players engage in criminal behavior they need to be kicked off the team, and kicked out of school.
You know who should take some responsibility... maybe...
The defensive backs coach needs to re-exam how much freedom he gives these dudes.
Romeo Pellum – dismissed
Hicks – Arrested countless times
Toomer – Thief
Daniels – Thef
What is up with our safeties.
by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Jun 10, 2009 6:36 PM PDT reply actions
One's a thief and the other's a thef
It really sucks that you can’t correct spelling or grammar errors after having submitted a comment.
SBN has looked at it in the past
Their thought is that we don’t generally want people going back and changing stuff, which I tend to agree with. Best thing to do is hit “preview” and read it again before hitting “post.”
or
if you use a browser like Google Chrome, it spellchecks any interactive boxes (like comment text) and draws a red line under it before you submit!
by johnnycougar on Jun 11, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
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Thef is the partner of a thief ;)
It’s just a comment I’m not going to preview and review my comments, but if it was a fanpost I probably would. ;)
by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Jun 11, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
As Paul Harvey used to say
“Now you know the REST of the story”. That guy was great.
Cougfan is saying there is more to this story. It’s possible this was a misunderstanding. Wulff has definitely talked up Toomer as a good kid. Lets hope there is more to the story and it is cleared up.
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