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Analyzing the Pac-10's night at the draft

If you're one of the many who thought the Pac-10 was down this season, consider this: three of the first nine picks in tonight's NBA draft came from our humble little conference. That's one more than the much more ballyhooed Big East, and three more than the ACC, who was surprisingly shut out of the top ten (and yet still able to steal our conference's coaches, apparently). Overall the Pac claimed six first round picks, and nine draftees overall - the bulk coming from UCLA, ASU and the sinking battleship otherwise known as USC. 

How did the Pac-10 fare? More importantly, did the teams grab their West Coast player at the appropriate position? Allow me to break it down, with my opinion on each individual selection.

First round

#3 The team that shall not be named - James Harden, G, ASU - Don't get me wrong, James Harden is a special talent and is as NBA ready as any player in tonight's draft. Of course, the reality is there just aren't that many NBA-ready talents available in 2009. And Harden, as good as he is, can be frustrating. He all but disappeared for the Sun Devils in the NCAA tournament, a place where he (and his team) really should've shined. And it was not too long ago that Derek Glasser struck fear in the hearts of our Cougars in overtime, while Harden sat on the bench, having fouled out with an unimpressive ten points in 35 minutes.

And I haven't yet mentioned that Harden's arrival in the dust bowl seriously harms Kyle Weaver's chances of once again cracking the starting lineup (maybe even pushing him off the roster as a whole). That alone makes me dislike this selection. Result: Overrated

#8 New York Knicks - Jordan Hill, F, Arizona - Jordan Hill is a freakish athlete. Even as the Cougs' drubbed Arizona at Friel in their second meeting, it was clear one player on the floor was head and shoulders above the rest. At least in terms of athleticism. Arizona has a good track record of players excelling in the NBA, and Harden is a Top 5 talent that slipped down the board in 2009, and I'm not really sure why. Perhaps teams are basing too much off of individual workouts and not enough on in-game performances. He lacks dominance at times, but there's a lot of room for him to grow on offense and as a shot-blocker under the basket. Arizona's struggles weren't due to Wise-Budinger-Hill, they were too to a complete and utter lack of depth. The ceiling is highest for Hill, and the Knicks got a steal at 8. Result: Underrated

#9 Toronto - DeMar DeRozan, G, USC - I was wrong about O.J. Mayo, and so I'm hesitant to rule out DeMar DeRozan as an impact player in the association. Toronto has quietly made some of the better decisions in regards to personnel in the Eastern conference, and I trust their judgment on DeRozan. Had the age limit not existed, it was very likely that DeMar would've been a Top 5 player in 2008, based on his high school performance. His stock slipped a bit as he struggled to hit his stride at USC, but you could see flashes of greatness throughout. I'm not sold on him as a big-time scorer, but if he can bulk up and get in the lane, he might do some damage. Result: Just right

#17 Philadelphia - Jrue Holiday, G, UCLA - I don't understand how a shoulder injury could make teams so shy about Holiday, but somehow it did. The result is an already decent playoff team (see: series, Philadelphia vs. Orlando) getting an excellent point guard prospect in the middle of the first round. Granted, this year's board was stacked with point guard talent, but Holiday is one of the better talents. I worry a little bit about the fact that Taylor Rochestie averaged more assists than Holiday last season, and Holiday had a much better supporting cast to pass the ball to. Nevertheless, great value pick. Result: Just right

#21 New Orleans - Darren Collison, G, UCLA - When you consider where Russell Westbrook went last year, Collison is a relative steal in the mid-to-late first round. The bad news for Collison is he'll be backing up Chris Paul, which means if he ever wants a starting job he'll have to find it somewhere else. Still, you have a solid defender, passer and scorer to augment (arguably) the greatest point guard in the league right now. Collison is still a top 15 talent in my book. The Hornets make an excellent selection. Result: Underrated

#26 Chicago (from Denver via OKC) - Taj Gibson, F, USC - You could do a lot worse in the first round than an athletically gifted forward with skills that should at the very least allow him to crack an NBA rotation. This is one of those guys Jay Bilas would praise for "tremendous length". Between Gibson, DeRozan, and the rest of USC's starters, it's still confusing to me why USC wasn't a better team last season. Result: Just right

Second Round

#31 Portland (via Sacramento) - Jeff Pendergraph, F, ASU - Ok, I'm sorry, but I thought my Blazers and Kevin Pritchard had this whole thing figured out. Which is why when Greg Oden magically becomes healthy the Portland lineup is stacked enough to make way for at least four or five championships in the 2010s. But then they go and do something stupid, like draft Pendergraph with DeJuan Blair still sitting on the board. Pendergraph is a good talent, but I have a hard time seeing his skill set translate to being a contributor in the NBA. This almost made me as mad as when the Blazers passed on Kyle Weaver. Almost. Good thing they made up for it with an inspired pick of Patty Mills in the late second round. Result: Overrated

#38 Sacramento (thru Portland) - Jon Brockman, F/C, Washington - What is Sacramento's fascination with Husky big men? First they go out of their way for Hawes, and now they make me cringe as my own favorite team selects their next purple and gold warrior on their behalf. We've gushed about Brockman's talents over the last year here, and we're Coug fans. But let me say this: you can get a solid double-double guy from the Pac-10 with good athleticism and rebounding skill, along with the great "hustle" and "grit" we all expect from our white players, without spending a single draft pick. That guy's name: Aron Baynes. Look it up, NBA GMs. If Jeff Varem can earn a roster spot....

Anyway, we like Brockman here at CougCenter. But the fact remains he's a better mid-to-late second-round pick. Also, I like describing him as overrated. Result: Overrated

#44 Houston (through Detroit) - Chase Budinger, F, Arizona) - What, ESPN says? Chase Budinger isn't a lottery pick? How dare you, NBA general managers! Now all the lanky white pressure is firmly on Tyler Hansbrough's shoulders. You can do it, Psycho T.

Kidding aside, this is a decent value pick for a tall shooter with reasonable potential. Result: Just right

That's all for tonight. Enjoy your Friday, and pre-holiday weekend, Coug Nation.

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All Pac 10 draftees are overrated

The only guy I see making a lengthy career in the NBA is Chase Buddinger. I was very surprised Brockman got drafted. The last thing the NBA needs is another guy to “hack a shaq”.

Are any of you surprised that Gonzaga’s Heitvelt (sp?) wasn’t drafted? I think the drug bust came back to haunt him and scared away NBA folks. Note to Josh: See you soon on the European circuit.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Jun 26, 2009 9:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm more surprised about Pargo going undrafted

It seems like it’s been years now that Pargo’s considered entering the draft early… now he’s coming off his senior year and finds himself an undrafted free agent.

Heytvelt shot himself in the foot with the drug issues. What a shame that was.

by Grady. on Jun 26, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pargo

Pargo had become a head case this his senior season. The guy never devolped much after his sophomore season. Actually I don’t think he is quick enough to play the point in the pros and we all know he is not a very good spot up shooter from the perimeter.

What did in both Heytvelt and Pargo was the televised game vs. Memphis. Coach Calipari puts athletic NBA-type teams together and it was on full display vs. Gonzaga this last season. Both Heytvelt and Pargo became pedestrian and the scouts were watching.

The weight Heytvelt put on in his senior year? I thought it cost him a lot in mobility. As a young sophomore the kid was above the rim with rim-rattling dunks, but as he put on the weight as an upplerclassmen he lost his hops or was it the foot surgeries?

When big men have problems with their feet or knees then most often they are done! So maybe it was many factors like the drug problem, upper classmen lack of productivity, and twice having foot surgery that did Heytvelt in.

Gonzaga has yet to put out a great NBA player other then John Stockton. In 99 thru the early 2000s I rooted for the Zags, even as a Husky fan. But once Adam Morrison became the face of the program I lost all interest in Gonzaga- literally hated the stache and since then hate the Zags.

Not so much for WSU though- I tend to root for our Pac 10 brethern every chance I get in nonleague action.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Jun 27, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not

NBA GMs tend to frown on 5 or 6 TOs a night …

by Jeff Nusser on Jun 27, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good call

Yeah I’d forgotten about Pargo’s turnover ratio. The bizzare thing about it was that Pargo couldn’t figure out why they were occuring. I think Pargo began to press too much duirng his senior season. Press as in trying to impress NBA GMs and scouts. I will say Pargo was a good college player, but as he progressed into an upperclassman, we saw that his game was flawed.

My opinion? I thought he (Pargo) got caught up in trying too hard to push his talents to the NBA level. I distinctly remember them saying something to the effect that they wanted to see Pargo play the point more like a traditional point guard. The season started out that way and then all of a sudden Few let Pargo go back to playing more the 2 instead of the 1.

It just goes to show you that getting into the NBA is arguably the toughest pro sport to get into. For one you’ve got to be the best of the best. Secondly if you are not the best of the best, then you have to have a skill that sets you apart from other wannabies.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Jun 27, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree with you on Pendergraph

As a converted Sonics fan living in Vancouver, I follow the Blazers pretty closely. The Blazers were very high on Pendergraph, even before he came to Portland for an individual workout and wowed them with his physical play. Pendergraph will provide exactly what the Blazers need as a change of pace to LaMarcus Aldridge.

For those that don’t follow the NBA, Aldridge is a face-up PF with silky smooth ball-handling skills for a big man. He’s a decent rebounder on both ends and also blocks the occasional shot. While not soft, nobody would say he’s physical, either.

Enter Pendergraph.

As any fan of Pac-10 basketball knows, he’s a banger with a back-to-the-basket offensive game, although he’s got range to 15 feet. He’s a good FT shooter. Most importantly, he’s a hustler that is a good low-post defender, excellent rebounder on both ends, and can block shots, especially from the weak side. He’s not going to be counted on by the Blazers for anything other than defense and rebounding…maybe a few put-backs. In short, he’s a great change-up to Aldridge for 10-15 minutes a night.

It should also be noted that Blazers coach Nate McMillan is very familiar with not only Pendergraph’s game, but also his personality, being that McMillan’s son Jemelle played with Pendergraph for the last 2 years at ASU. His attitude as a team-first hard worker will mesh perfectly with Portland’s roster. I think that you’ll see Pendergraph contributing in the NBA next season.

Lastly, note that the Blazers had THREE opportunities to draft Blair…there is obviously something about him that they don’t like. Perhaps they feel he’s too short (generously listed at 6’8") to play PF in the NBA. Maybe they liked Pendergraph because he can conceivably play back-up 4 or 5. Maybe they were concerned about Blair’s knees, or weight.

At any rate, I think it’s hard to say that Blair is a better player than Pendergraph, especially for the Blazer’s needs.
     

by '03CouveCoug on Jun 26, 2009 10:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good points, but...

I’m still not sold on Pendergraph as a NBA level contributor. He’s got great assets, as you mentioned, but many of those were displayed against college competition. In the NBA he’s going to face a level of low post defense he’s never seen before. I like him as a rebounder, but I’ve got questions about his scoring ability. Now if McMillan has a good feeling about his attitude, I trust that. But to me that means the Blazers think Pendergraph is still going to develop into a quality player, not necessarily that he is one right away.

But definitely some good things to think about.

by Grady. on Jun 26, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buddinger

The best Pac 10 kid out of this draft will be Chase Buddinger. What is he 6-5? That’s the making of a tall shooting guard and the NBA loves those guys. Buddinger is the perfect specimen for the No.2. He can drill it from outside, he can penetrate and score, and he has hops to get up and dunk. Now we all know that the NBA game is played above the rim. College ball use to be played that way too, but not so much talent in the college game anymore.

Buddinger handled the ball quite a bit while at Arizona. When Nic Wise got into foul trouble Arizona put the ball in Buddingers hands and was successful in doing so. What Buddinger needs to work on is his defensive game. He is going to face quicker and faster players in the league. Buddinger is a solid athlete and working on defense is something that is obtainable for him.

Did not like Chase Buddinger in college. I thought he was a complete trash talker. Everytime their was an altercation on the floor this guy was always involved, that and the fact that he burried trey after trey after trey vs. my Huskies. But I have to respect the kids athletic talents. Everybody else has flaws

James Harden- cannot handle the basketball and kicks the ball off his shoe way too many times. Weight could become a problem for his guard position, and you have to wonder about his love for the game. You don’t see too much adreneline flowing from Harden, most often he plays like he is asleep at the wheel.

Jordan Hill- unpolished big man, who is skinny. Has one move in the low post that will get swatted away in the bigs.

DeMar DeRozen- too young to know anything about this kid. He is a scoring threat, yet so is everybody else in the NBA. Will play the shooting guard, but can he hit that perimeter shot consistently enough to keep his job?

Jrue Holiday- again too young to know anything about this kid. Didn’t show much at Ucla as a true freshmen and really could’ve used another year refinning his game, because honestly the kid didn’t have one last season as a Bruin. Poor decision to come out this early with nothing to show for his game.

Darren Collison- reminds me of Gerald Wilkins back in the day with his shooting technique. Collison will find that all the guards are as quick as him, yet taller.

Taj Gibson- A dunking machine! Other then that not so much. Could become a great low post backup if he concentrates on rebounding the basketball.

Jeff Pendergragh- [see opening statement to Taj Gibson]. Pendergragh playes like he is always limping in pain. Is he?

Jon Brockman- Okay all you Coug fans, I’ll bet you are wondering if I am going to be biased towards one of the best UofW Huskies of all time. Well I’m not. Brockman is a legit low post player. The guy is a rebounding machine. But the problem is he lacks any significant height advantage at the next level to accomplish that. Brockman is 6-7 standing on his tippy toes. In today’s NBA that is a very short small forward or a tall shooting guard. In both cases Brocky doesn’t have the mentality to play those finnese positions. His game is down low and for that he might have an outside shot at making the roster, if not it’s off to Europe.

Chase Buddinger was selected last of all the Pac 10 draftees. Hated Buddinger at Zona, but I think of all the draftees Buddinger will stick around in the league longer then anyone else of this class.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Jun 27, 2009 2:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry about the comment below this one that has since been deleted

I don’t know what that was all about.

And I think you’re completely, totally, 100 percent wrong about Harden. Here’s what I wrote at the end of the basketball season about why the guy is so freaking good. Wait until he’s got guys like Westbrook and Durant around him. He’ll be a star.

by Jeff Nusser on Jun 27, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just not sure about him

I agree with crazidawg on the weight and motivation issues. He does not have the quickness to get to the hoop consistently in the NBA, and I think that’s where most of his stat generation comes from in your earlier note (like FT rate, assist rate from easy lobs to Pendy, and his high eFG). His rebounding is “NBA ready” and so is his defense (thanks to his strength) but I’m still not sold on him as a shooter. If he can’t consistently drive the lane, I think his whole offensive game will disappear, as he’s not a great shooter when the D is playing tight on him.

He could be successful if he models his play after Jordan’s later years – hard D, good step back jumper (which he already has), and developing a few post moves to use on smaller guards.

by johnnycougar on Jun 29, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harden should be a good fit in OKC

The main problem with Harden is towards the end of the year he gets worn-out and over-utilized.

I don’t think he will ever be “the” guy on an NBA roster, but OKC grants him an excellent opportunity to be guarded by the other team’s second-best defender (or even third or fourth depending on the team). When you have to deal with Westbrook’s speed and Durant’s length – there is no way they are going to be putting their top defender on Harden. Couple this with not having to take as many shots and generate as many opportunities (as he was forced to do at ASU), I think he’s able to keep some energy in the reserve. He’ll still hit the rookie wall, but it won’t be as bad as people think.

One other thing, these days the NBA calls basically any form of contact on the perimeter a foul. With exception to a Kobe Bryant, opposing teams are not going to put a body on Harden and that will open up opportunities to drive the lane.

by LeaveItToWeaver on Jul 1, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd spend a second-round pick on Brockman

He’s already made a college career out of outrebounding the crap out of players who are taller, longer-armed, and more athletic than he is. Maybe the “level up” to the NBA will prove to be too much, and his rebounding “smarts” (for lack of a better word) won’t carry over. Or maybe he really knows something about rebounding that no one else does. I’d spend a second-rounder to find out, ahead of taking Just Another College Shooting Guard like Danny Green…

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by PaulThomas on Jun 28, 2009 2:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Gotta disagree with you a bit about Brockman

I happen to be a Kings fan so I plan to disagree with you for rational reasons.

Geoff Petrie (the Kings GM—technially the Prez of Basketball Ops for those unaware—I’m sure most of you know who he is) made a big deal to pick players that were “tough”. It was a theme of the day. Only Rodriguez isn’t a tough player of any the Kings picked up (and that was done because the Kings picked up a player for free after you factor the cash the Blazers included in the deal), but he isn’t likely to stick.

Casspi is known for his aggressive, athletic, physical toughness. Brockman is considered to be a “physical” presence in the post even if he is limited. In the NBA, it’s not always about the stars you get, but the the guys whom you get to complement them.

Either way, and while I disagree about the Kings ruining Hawes, he’ll do that to himself if anything, it should be interesting.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 29, 2009 6:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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