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Who are YOUR villains?

vil-lain (noun): 1. A cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickedness or crime; scoundrel.

Ted Miller had an interesting post this morning on his ESPN.com Pac-10 Blog, picking one current and one all-time villain for each team in the conference. And while I generally think Miller does an excellent job with it -- it's hard to be an expert on 10 teams -- sometimes he totally misses the mark.

Here's his attempt at the Cougs:

Current villain: Bill Doba. Nicest guy in the world. Did a great job as Mike Price's defensive coordinator. Led a winning effort against Texas in the 2003 Holiday Bowl. But the lack of talent on the Washington State roster in 2008 and at present falls almost entirely on him.

All-time villain: Rick Neuheisel. While Don James led a period of Washington dominance in the Apple Cup rivalry -- he was 13-5 vs. the Cougars -- there was always a grudging respect for James. Not so for Neuheisel, who went 4-0 vs. the Cougars and was reviled in Pullman. The unranked Huskies triple-overtime victory over the then-third-ranked Cougars in 2002 ended with Washington State fans littering the field with bottles and other trash.

Let's start with Doba. No doubt, we lament the current state of the program, but I can't go so far as to be mad at Doba. The guy gave us a lot of superb years as defensive coordinator, contributing a huge amount to two Rose Bowl appearances. As head coach, he led us to our third consecutive 10-win season and the Holiday Bowl victory over Texas in 2003. He may not have been the best judge of talent or character as the head man, but he gave us his best through his wife's long battle with cancer and eventual death. He did get one thing right: Doba is the nicest guy in the world. Because of that, the characterization of Bill Doba as a "villain" is actually nothing less than offensive to me.

As for Neuheisel, one must read this through a certain filter: Miller covered the Huskies at the P-I during the Neuheisel era. While I dislike Neuheisel's 4-0 record against us as much as anyone, that's hardly the stuff of all-time villains. Two of his wins came as the program was still rebuilding itself from the 1998 Rose Bowl, one came against the 2003 Rose Bowl team without Jason Gesser for the majority of the game, and the last one was because of some fluky big plays. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that Coug fans actually like Neuheisel. He's as responsible for the current state of UW football as anyone. That we can trace last season's 0-12 back to Neuheisel makes me like him all the more.

Oh, and I don't know of any Coug who has a grudging respect for Don James and his unending condescension. I'd pick James over Neuheisel on this one in a heartbeat. But even that choice wouldn't be good enough.

With that, here are my two villains:

Current villain: Washington AD Scott Woodward.

If we're going to pick a Husky, how about picking the guy who ...

  • Was single-handedly responsible for torpedoing a proposal that would have landed millions upon millions of dollars in WSU's coffers?
  • Saw fit to insult not just WSU's athletic director, but its president for having the temerity to not openly support UW's publicly financed stadium renovation?
  • Bought out his current football coach at a cost of $1 million, subsequently reset the scale for paying football coaches in the conference by ponying up $2.1 million for a defensive coordinator -- at an annual salary higher than Paul Wulff's -- then ruined the college careers of a bunch of unsuspecting swimmers by telling them the department can no longer afford the program?

Now that's a villain.

All-time villain: Rogers Redding.

Don't know who Redding is? He's the referee responsible for determining that Ryan Leaf's last-second spike in the 1998 Rose Bowl didn't come before the clock expired, even though it obviously did -- the clock did not hit zero until after the ball hit the ground. In the face of a wave of maize and blue flooding the field to celebrate its national championship, Redding didn't have the guts to tell everyone to get off the field, that there was still one second left on the clock. He meekly ran to the tunnel as the platform for presenting the Wolverines with their trophy and presumed national championship was rushed onto the field and those of us clad in crimson and gray could only stare in disbelief. I'm not convinced that the Cougs would have scored ... but with one more shot from the 16-yard line with Leaf throwing to the Fab Five? I'm convinced it was a good possibility.

For a physics professor, the guy sure has no clue how long it takes to snap and spike a ball. I will never forgive Redding for ripping our chance at a Rose Bowl championship out of our hands, simply because of a lack of courage. I certainly hope he's grown a pair in the decade since.

Let's hear it from you. Who are your villains?

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I'd think that Neuheisel is definalty the Husky villian

In my opinion, He, and former AD Hedges, started the chain of events that took the Huskies to the sorry state they are in today.

 But speaking of sorry states, I totally agree with you that Woodward is WSU’s current villain. The man took a great idea like a 50/50 split of tickets for a Qwest field apple cup and threw it down the drain. Then he says that he wants $150 million dollars from the people of this state to pay for his stadium, when that gets shot down he places the blame squarely on Sterk and Floyd.

“[Floyd and Sterk] didn’t do anything to try to contain that little group of Cougars that were out there [fighting the bill for public funding]. It was a shame that they didn’t show leadership or courage to curtail something like that.”

The man asks for $150 million on something that at most 200,000 people will use a year. Then when that fails places the blame on two men and calls them coward. I got a deal for you Scott: Jim Sterk will tell every WSU Alum how to think if you can contain the enormous ego of yourself and every UW alum. What a joke.

by GoCougs on Aug 17, 2009 4:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Villains

I read that article before you posted this story and pretty much thought the same thing, Ted Miller got that one totally wrong. Like you said, its hard to think of Doba for all the reasons you said, and I meet him many times during my time at WSU and he was by far the nicest person I think I meet during my time in Pullman. I actually like your picks, that 1998 Rose Bowl game still pisses me off how we got screwed at the end of that game, we still deserve 2 seconds for Leaf to throw it to the end zone. As for current villain, Woodard is a good choice, he is kind of an idiot, but one person I hate is Cody Pickett because his touchdown pass at the end of the 2003 Apple Cup, it helps we won the Holiday Bowl after that, but that game stung as it took us out of a possible BCS bowl and was during that whole annoying time UW was celebrating its “Northwest Championship” since it couldn’t celebrate anything else. I was also at that game and remember sitting there in shock after it and then had to take the yelling from all the idiotic UW fans on my way out.

by spokanecougar on Aug 17, 2009 5:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Cody Pickett is a good choice

I was at that game too. I had to listen to Husky fans whine for hours and hours about how much better we were than them, how they won’t be mad when they lose to us because we’re SOOOOOOO much better … then had to listen to the same people gloat all the way out, thanks to a pair of miracles (the missed sack on 4th down and the touchdown pass). That’s Husky fans in a nutshell, though.

by Jeff Nusser on Aug 17, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still have no idea how that pass got through.

“Pick, Pick, that’s totally a pick! Wait….what just happened?” That was my freshman year and it firmly supplanted not only my Husky hatred, but also my Cougar paranoia. I was completely confindent that we were going to win that game. NEVER AGAIN.

I never really liked the old tagline.

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by Craig Powers on Aug 17, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

i've never been that upset about the 2 seconds at the rose bowl

mcwashington got away with one of the worst offensive pass interference non-calls in the history of college football on the play earlier….we had no business being on the 16 yard line to begin with.

by BigWood! on Aug 17, 2009 7:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I thought it was Nian Taylor who pushed off....

McWashington was the one Leaf overthrew by about 6 inches for a TD (and control of the game) in the first half 2 plays before the INT to Woodsoon in the endzone.

What about Fright Night Freedman?

by 79coug on Aug 18, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tom Hansen was the devil....

Need I elaborate? Well, okay. He implemented the Don James rule. Just saying….

by SW WA Coug on Aug 17, 2009 8:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Not FSN or LA's

“Let’s have the tournament in LA Every year! There’s no clear advantage in that!”

by GoCougs on Aug 17, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blame UCLA for that one

Arizona, Stanford and UCLA were steadfastly against the tournament. The league needed eight votes, so they bribed UCLA by putting it in the Staples Center every year.

by Jeff Nusser on Aug 17, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

You asked for my villain....

Didn’t realize I was taking the easy way out. Nobody else mentioned him.

by SW WA Coug on Aug 18, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

That guy....

Did more to retard growth and fair competition than anyone I can think of. He also allowed Pac-10 officiating to become the laughingstock of the country. The more I think about his ‘contributions’ the more I want to puke. Good riddance. It takes a bit for me to think so negatively about someone.

I wasn’t sure what your point was, Nuss. I was only trying to contribute to the thread, so am glad I wasn’t that target of the barb. Thanks.

by SW WA Coug on Aug 18, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Robinson, Williams, Pickett (are not my friends)

*Little did we know that Lil’ Nate Robinson would go on to be a slam dunk champion, but we should have guessed when he went up to pick that pass from Matt Kegel in 2002 Apple Cup.
*I think everyone on the west coast was impressed with Reggie Williams coming out of Lakes High, so it was no shock when he pulled down 23 catches for 372 yards in two Apple Cup Games. No TD’s for some reason, but he moved the ball with no issues vs. some of the best DB’s we ever put on the field.
*Talked about it above, killed us at the end of the 2003 Apple Cup.

by dflynnwsu on Aug 18, 2009 8:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Ted Miller linked this article in his rundown today saying-

 "Another take on Washington State’s villains — and probably a better one, coming from a Coug. "

by peaty411s on Aug 18, 2009 1:04 PM PDT reply actions  

You forgot Woodward's worst act

Refusing to let June Daugherty’s last recruiting class go, even though he unjustly fired the coach they played for, and a number of the girls ended up transferring anyway at the first opportunity.

Complete B.S. treating 18 and 19 year old girls like property, and not “student athletes” or whatever UW pretends they are.

And I remember a certain Coug AD being more than willing to grant a release to certain player that wanted to leave after Tony’s departure…

by Grady Clapp on Aug 18, 2009 9:35 PM PDT reply actions  

That is a good one

I forgot about that also, that was a shame how UW and Woodward treated those athletes after Daugherty was let go, but it sure was funny to watch them all one by one transfer out of UW the first chance they got.

Best thing also is that June Daugherty ended up at WSU and obviously has that team on the brink of something special, anyone else seen the recruiting classes she has put together…..AWESOME!!!

by spokanecougar on Aug 19, 2009 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sort of...

WSU hired Daugherty in April of 2007. Woodward was not hired as athletic director until September 2008. The athletic director at the time of the “incident” in question was Todd Turner, resigning in January of ’08.

by dannyry on Aug 19, 2009 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wasn't the incomparable Woody....

The assistant AD at the time? Point is, he was still part of that process. Personally, the dub couldn’t be in better hands (sarkasm).

by SW WA Coug on Aug 19, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

True story

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2003753251_uwom19.html

It was Turner. If you want a good laugh, here’s a take on it from notable Husky booster Seattle Times columnist Blaine Newnham.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2003760371_newnham24.html

by Jeff Nusser on Aug 19, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Point of reference:

We littered the field that day because the field was full of asshole Husky fans taunting us.

One could say that the field was littered WITH asshole Husky fans, and we (in fact) were just trying to take out the trash, and clean the place up.

Where you at now, Reggie? I’m still waitin’ for ya!

by Jo-Jo on Aug 19, 2009 12:07 PM PDT reply actions  

What, No One Has USC As The All Time Villain?????

Yikes…….lest we forget that Wazzu’s record against USC is 56 Losses, 8 Wins, and 4 ties mainly due to the fact that USC would NEVER play Wazzu in Pullman until very recently, heaped insult upon injury in 1958 by voting against allowing Wazzu an opportunity to play in the Sugar Bowl, and has weighed in heavily on the ‘James Rule’ of NOT allowing offsite clincs to be run by Wazzu Football. If that doesn’t qualify as the villain, I don’t know what does, eh? And how about that song that they play CONSTANTLY??

by CanyonCoug on Aug 19, 2009 2:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Matt Lotich anyone?

Sorry to bring back horrible memories, but that guy ruined what would have been one of the most improbable Cougar victories of all time.

I never really liked the old tagline.

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by Craig Powers on Aug 20, 2009 6:54 AM PDT reply actions  

I think the ref in that senario is the real bad guy

Marcus looked him right in the eye and called time-out. The ref was looking right at him, counted “four” as he called for the time-out and just ignored him, then raise his hand and instead of granting the TO says “five seconds.” We got jobbed.

by Jo-Jo on Aug 20, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh.

That game sucked.

I never really liked the old tagline.

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by Craig Powers on Aug 20, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

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