Wulff: "Marshall is our starting quarterback."
Per Grippi:
I asked Paul Wulff afterward if Tuel goes into the week as the No. 1 quarterback. "Oh boy," Wulff said. "I wouldn’t say that. Marshall is very key for this football team. He didn’t start off real hot, but he can play a lot better than he did today. So right now I would say Marshall is our starting quarterback. At the same time, we have to evaluate the film and go from there." Which means there won’t be a decision until tomorrow at the earliest.
This is really hard to understand. There is no doubt that Tuel is the most talented quarterback on the roster. Marshall was just awful last night and it was pretty much on par with anything he has ever done at WSU. He is an immobile, inaccurate quarterback. Not sure what else Wulff is expecting to get from him.
I can only assume that he wants to protect Marshall's feelings. He doesn't want to make an immediate post-game declaration announcing Tuel as the starter and effectively telling Marshall "You suck."
If Wulff continues to start Marshall the rest of the season, then why did he burn Tuel's redshirt? Play the kid! There is no going back now! Lobbestael is not the future for WSU. Playing Lobbestael serves no purpose. Tuel is not only younger but he is a better quarterback. Hopefully when Wulff evaluates the film he changes his mind and starts the right guy for Oregon.
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TUEL Time
Tuel is clearly the leader and the most skilled. If Wulff doesn’t start Tuel from here on out, I would start to question Wulff being the coach. We also need to play another kicker. We should have had 10 points.
That would frustrate me to no end
if Wulff starter Lobbestael. I’ve been waiting for this guy to play all summer and now that we’ve seen him in action… I dont want to go back to that sorry offense!
I know I'm no expert
But I don’t think he could, with a straight face, come back and say Loebestaal played well enough to keep his starters job after watching game tape. Look, both guys had men in their face all day, I understand that. The difference is Tuel made plays and, for the most part, made throws when he needed to. Loebestaal did neither for the majority of his time in there.
Now that you’ve burned the redshirt, it’s time to use this kid. He showed he deserves at least another look
Didn't get to watch the game
I was at a 30th birthday dinner, but as I was checking stats on the birthday boy’s iPhone I remember my emotions. “WHY BURN THE SHIRT”…followed by my friend saying “lobesteal was 3 for 9, Tuel is 9 for 13….wait, check that…10 for 14.” And my mouth fell open. I have been strongly against burning Tuel’s shirt, but now that we have it’s time to let the kid play. Without having seen the game, it sure sounds like he is the best QB option we have.
Exactly
There’s no purpose now in keeping Tuel “under wraps.” From this point forward the best QB should start, period.
by johnnycougar on Sep 27, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I was at a 30th Bday too
And we were all amazed at how close the game was. It wasn’t until I got home that I realized how bad Lobster did. Having not watched the game, and looking at the stats, I can’t say that I am blown away by Tuel’s numbers. Maybe it’s like how a bloop single looks like a line drive in a box score. Are we just talking about poise in the pocket, check downs, scrambles? What did he do that was so amazing?
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
dang must have been the weekend for 30th birthdays!
I too was at a 30th birthday party.
by LeaveItToWeaver on Sep 27, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
What if we were all at the same party?
Go Cougs!
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
Time for a both sides of the fence Wooly comment
The pro Wulff comment side
Protect Marshal’s feelings, keep him mentally ready to play. We need 2 guys ready to play.
Protect Tuel, he has no pressure right now, be ready to play and let it fly.
Don’t make public decisions minutes after you saw a frosh QB play in his first game
Look how long it took to make the first QB decision?
The con side
Did Wulff watch the game? (emoticon)
Tuel made one big mistake; I don’t know yet if it was a bad read or young gun thinking he could ‘make’ the play. Either way it will be a learning experience
Tuel bailed on the pocket very early one time. The other QB’s had reservations to bail at the snap
Tuel has a strong and accurate arm. When was the last time we had that?
A fumbled snap turned into an 8 yard game. Even our record breaking QB would have turned that into an 8 yard loss.
The team is behind him, after the Pick players were supporting him on the sidelines. After the TD they were ecstatic.
Enough attempting to be logical about this.
The shirt was burned, he proved he was a better QB on the field. Start him the rest of the way.
It seems reasonable to conclude that Tuel is the man..
I ddint watch the game, I was sorking swing shift and cam out twice during the breaks to get some of the 2nd and 4th quarters. I greatly admired the kids poise in front of thousands of ppl, a racous crowd and against on the best defenses in college football. He admitted later in an interview he felt comfortable, and used the words ot was a lotta fun..I luv that about him. He didnt freak out and got the job done. SOmething a know alotta true freshman minus Barkely of course could nto accomplish. Lets not forget Barkely has a lot better protection up front as well..However I really dont think we should throw Marshall under the bus. I like the kid and he has shown flashes of being a highly successful QB. Unlike Lopina who jsut does not have the arm strength and quick thinking ability to be a pac-10 QB. Marshal had guys coming at him seemingly every play, not saying tuel didnt and still made things happen. Yet if Marshal can get somfrotable inteh pocket he makes good read and can move the ball well. Its just when he gets rattled he tries to force things. I do think we should give him another chance. Although he looked bad, he did not throw a pick. There were stretches of watching Brink and Gesser in games where they were throwing 3-4 interceptions in a half. And i was beside myself calling for his head and the backup. Lets give him a few more chances. he’s got it in him. It doesnt matter that Tuel’s redshirt is burned, he’ll still be there I knew it was gonna be burned at some point. I Think starting Ocho Rojo, is nto that bad of a decicion, lets see how he does, another horrible performance and I will eat my words and be praising Tuel.
From Ted Miller...
3. Arizona and Washington State found their QBs of the future: Nick Foles led a winning effort at Oregon State for an Arizona team that overcame huge injury issues. (And that Iowa loss looks a bit better today, eh?) Jeff Tuel led a losing effort at USC for a Washington State team that is playing much better football compared to 2008. Both give their programs hope. Foles for this season, where Arizona again looks like a bowl team. Tuel for the future, when the Cougars restock their talent.
Oh Wulff
This is the exact kind of crap that gets people calling for your head. You burned Tuel’s redshirt, so there’s no going back. Put the kid in and get him the experince he needs. If Marshall cares more about the team than himself, he should be happy to see Tuel in the game.
There is no question Tuel is the answer
Wulff knows it and has probably known it since fall camp. Nobody has excited me at the QB position as much as Tuel since Jason Gesser. However, Tuel looked dazed and confused early just getting the play call. He still responded but now you are giving Oregon a full week with tape of Tuel. You don’t think Wulff knows this and is trying to protect Tuel?
Tuel needs to play as much as possible but he’s still very young. He responded great and the team responded to him. ASU makes sense for his first start rather than Autzen Stadium, IMHO.
Good points.
But Oregon also has tape on Marshall. Plus, I know Autzen is supposed to be a crazy atmosphere but the defense won’t be as fast and as strong as the one he just faced.
If Wulff really is playing this off to protect Tuel so that Oregon can’t just prepare for him, then I’ll have to give him credit. I read it as Wulff just being indecisive with the QB situation, which has been the trend for the season so far.
Also, if you are trying to protect a guy, why would you send him out against a defense that has already sacked your starter four times through a quarter and a half?
by Craig Powers on Sep 27, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I was worried
I went from not wanting to see Tuel to calling for it during the open thread. I was worried the kid was going to get killed the way they were blocking. Funny thing is the line seemed to step up and respond to Tuel for the most part. He still took hits but it was interesting to watch.
I would say it also has to do with how much of the playbook he is ready for. I believe SC mostly plays in their base defense because they can. Oregon will throw a bunch of stuff at Tuel. You want to set Tuel up for success as much as possible while getting him quality snaps. That’s why ideally you want to redshirt and get him a year before he starts. Now, that’s not going to happen.
Starting is also different than coming off the bench. You have a lot of time to think when you go into a week as the starter. A lot of time to get nervous, over think, and anxious. Coming off the bench is probably easier.
I’m exicted by what I saw but I am glad the coaches are being patient. Tuel is too important to mess up and it can happen in this league. At least, my hope is that is what the staff is doing. You can bet they are even more excited than we are on these boards.
"but the defense won’t be as fast and as strong as the one he just faced."
I wouldn’t be too sure about that. They were damn impressive on Saturday.
db's
I know it’s all hype but the Oregon db’s are supposed to be close to the top group in the pac-10. Like you said, they looked pretty good Sat.
Riley is a crappy QB, so I was more impressed with how they bottled Best
Granted, they stacked the box. But they showed a lot of speed over there.
Let the coach coach
I trust Coach Wulff. His reasoning for whom to start and whom to play is deeper, more thorough and based on a number of factors that go beyond what the armchair quarterbacks who opine on blogs consider. Let’s keep the faith.
just playing devil's advocate
There might be a few scenarios that are playing into Wulff not writing off Marshall yet. This is complete speculation, but if Marshall doesn’t feel he’s been given a legitimate opportunity to keep/earn the spot – there is the potential we lose him in the off-season to a transfer. Whereas if he gets his shot, doesn’t do anything to wrap up the job, then maybe he’s content with sticking around and staying in a “backup” role.
As much as we loved what we saw from Tuel, he is very slight of frame and our offensive line seems to still get pretty depleted rather quickly each season. If Lobbestael takes off this off-season and Tuel is down for a few snaps or a few games, then we are looking at having to burn the red-shirt of Halladay(sic) unless we go with a walk-on type QB. That scares the heck out of me, and I’d feel a lot better about having Lobbestael as our backup than a walk-on punter. Plus the entire purpose of having 2 years separation between Tuel and Halladay would go out the door if that did happen.
Its very possible Wulff is just playing politics and trying to prevent any unnecessary churn in the off-season.
by LeaveItToWeaver on Sep 27, 2009 7:58 PM PDT reply actions
Not one thing they've done with the QBs has made sense to anyone outside the program
So why should they start now?
But if I were to guess, I would say it has more to do with keeping pressure off Tuel. That seems to be their M.O. in bringing him along.
agree
i agree—- given the state of the team this year ( all the injuries to the o line )- why not tuel let continue grow and develope slowly -instead of “throwing him to the lions” now. the problem is if Lopina and Lob can stay healthy and keep the team competitve. he appears to be the future.
If Lopina and Lob could've stayed healthy and keep the team competitive
they wouldn’t have burned his shirt.
Running game
Why does it seem to be nonexistant whenever Marshall is in? It doesn’t make sense to me. All the guys seem to like him and he works hard so I don’t believe they are trying harder for Tuel. The game plan when Marshall is in seems to be pass first which you think would open up the running game. For whatever reason they don’t seem to get the chains moving for Marshall and that hurts his confidence.
I’m trying to come up with reasons to keep the faith in Marshall because I’ve always been a big fan of his. It’s getting a little tough after Saturday though.
I was at the game, 40yd line, 10th row, cougs side, and the difference was obvious
The team had more energy, you could tell they were feeding Tule’s his poise. The line got off there blocks quicker and were more physical. Tule didnt light up the air with throws but he simple was a better leader. The defense even played harder once they saw what was happening on the other side of the ball.
by CrimsonStone on Sep 28, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know if I'd agree the defense played harder
I wasn’t there, but they were pretty awesome to hold us within three touchdowns even before he came in. Now, maybe they were able to sustain it because of the hope he brought — and the way he moved the ball to get them off the field a bit — but they were bringing it before that.
by Jeff Nusser on Sep 28, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I honestly don't think they played harder
Played better, yes. I wouldn’t chalk this up to Tuel, though. It seemed more like the same old come out flat and then step it up after the first quarter. The first drive USC had it look like our D-Line was on skates. The push USC was getting was that good. After our D settled in you saw the results. Two goalline stops, better pressure, better coverage, and better tackling.
Now if only the team could stop coming out so flat!
It was a strange feeling...
For pretty much the first time this season I was jumping up and down in my living room during Cougar football. When Tuel was in, we were making things happen like we haven’t done in a while. Anyways, my two cents, is CPW has to ride the Tuel Train, if nothing else, to keep the fans excited about the program. That’s purely selfish though.
Did anyone else see, early on when Tuel was in, we had a 4th and 1, and he was looking to the sideline for the play – looked like he was trying to convince Wulff to go for it, yelling & pointing “let’s go for it!” The kid wants to get it done – and that’s bad ass.
Also, I found there were Stimson men in the house – was anyone there between ‘99-’02? I was a faithful Sponsor on 4th floor & 2C (maybe it was 2A, I don’t remember).
1999-2000 Stimson here
Not sure where the Stimson talk came from, and to be completely honest, I don’t recall where I lived within Stimson – but I was there.
If you heard an alarm clock going off for 2 hours straight (for an 11am class), that was probably me!
by LeaveItToWeaver on Sep 28, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I was there in 98-99
First floor, the left wing as your facing the main entrance. Don’t remember my room number.
Upon missing the game and seeing the video
I take back what I sadi about giving marshal another chance..as he should get some reps. Tuels play far outshinced, Lopina and the lobster, and this was aginast a very solid defense. I do think we should start and finish with Tuel. He is the next great cougar QB. I was wondring when it would happen last year there was no solid figure to respect at the Helm. The QB controls the games momentum by what is beign done on the field. The D feed off this andit gives them hope. I was always a big fan of Lobbestal but CPW needs to do what is best for the team and put them in teh best position to win. Regardless of destroying another players confidence like Lobbestaal. from now on and for the next few years. Our motto shall be "In Tuel We Trust..
tuel will start against oregon
according to vince grippi (spokesman review ) jeff tuel will start saturday against oregon.

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