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Time to finally turn our attention to Oregon State

Boy, I sure hope the players of our favorite team have done a better job of moving past this thing than we have. Let's take a first look at Oregon State and try to get our minds heading in that direction.

First of all, did you know that Oregon State's coach is the brother in law of the president? It's true!

Also, the Beavers were supposed to be pretty good this year. That has turned out to be not true. Most confounding has been OSU's inconsistency, which isn't what you would have expected from a team that returned most everyone from a squad that was one of the bigger surprises in the conference last year.

The Beavers have a nice win at George Washington (by seven), and reasonable losses at Texas Tech (by four), at Nebraska (by six) and at Washington (also by six). But they also have losses versus Texas A&M Corpus Christi (by 24 on a neutral floor), at home to Sacramento State (by two) and at Illinois-Chicago (by two).

The inconsistent results have generally been driven by inconsistent offense, as the defense has been good enough on most nights to win. The Beavers play combinations of zones in the halfcourt, but kenpom.com's "defensive fingerprint" feature has them inaccurately pegged as a "Mostly Man" team. There's an easy explanation for that -- OSU's opponents are getting far fewer assists on as their made buckets than a zone defense would generally allow. Teams also don't shoot as many 3s against OSU as a zone would generally suggest.

The implication? Although I haven't seen much of the Beavers this year, it suggests penetration can be had against the Beavers, something supported by what I saw of them on Thursday against UW and also supported by the fact that OSU is merely average defending 2-point shots. That's great news for the Cougs, who make a living on penetration. This ought to be a great time for Reggie Moore to bounce back and show people the player he really is.

Additionally, as any zone defense will do, the Beavers give up a fair amount of offensive rebounds to good offensive rebounding teams. That's also fortunate for the Cougs, as that's one of their strengths -- they still had a 35 offensive rebounding percentage against the much bigger Ducks.

The Cougs haven't shot the ball well at times this year, but it probably won't matter today -- the Cougs will still likely be able to generate some points ... as long as they take care of the ball. OSU generates more turnovers than you would generally expect from a zone. Keep an eye on that one.

OSU's inconsistency on offense is really due to two factors: Poor shooting and not taking care of the ball. Their shooting really seems to have come around in the past month or so (with the exception of the UW game), but their turnover percentages have been all over the place.

It's those turnovers that the Cougs really ought to be focusing on. The Beavers have a -.62 correlation between their turnover percentage and their offensive efficiency, meaning when their turnover percentage is up, their offensive efficiency is down pretty significantly. It's been a while since we've really forced a team into a high turnover rate (Gonzaga was really the last one), and there is a prime opportunity here to pressure the ball and have it pay off.

Of course, you don't want to pressure too much, lest the Beaver beat you backdoor ..

At any rate, this is yet another game the Cougs should win. But we all know how that went on Thursday. Even when you win, sometimes you don't win.

Dangit. There I got caught looking back again. Like I said, hope the players are doing better with this than we are.

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Thanks FSN

Just showed the replay again

by Brian Floyd on Jan 2, 2010 3:01 PM PST reply actions  

Oregon beating UW by 8 with 11 to play

Oregon is showing something on this trip. Healthy and with Porter they are a team to reckon with in the conference. If they get their other big back (can’t remember his name at the moment) they could make a real run in the conference.

by 02Coug on Jan 2, 2010 3:33 PM PST reply actions  

I would agree for overall value

Porters value is that he is a senior, and as he showed against us he can swing a game in short periods of time. He is never the guy that will carry the load, he’s the guy that puts them from mediocre to good by being able to spark a 6 or 9 point run by himself with his shot.

by 02Coug on Jan 2, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

He also can, and has, shot them out of the game

Having Armstead run the show keeps this from happening and opens up Porter for good shots, not jacking up contested 30 footers

by Brian Floyd on Jan 2, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

When I picked Oregon as low as I did, I had no idea how good that guy actually was. He is their key player. If you look back at the WSU game, they don’t score even half as many points in the first half as they did without him.

He’s playing the role of Ridnour and Brooks in that offense, which is actually damn scary.

by Jeff Nusser on Jan 2, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

And Armstead is abusing the U's guards right now

He is the real deal. And Porter is infinitely more dangerous when he’s not the main man but can play the assistant role and drain open shots.

by 02Coug on Jan 2, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Porter was at his best when he was playing next to Brooks

ORtg

Fr, (w/ Brooks): 109.2
So. (w/out Brooks, or any other good PG): 100.2
Jr. (still no good PG): 103.6
Sr. (w/ Armstead): 120.9

by Jeff Nusser on Jan 2, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I would have expected that

Porter isn’t really that good, or to say it better he isn’t great but he is good. I never meant to make it seem like I like his game, but his game is to let the other guard handle the ball and create offense and let him float around and drain threes. He is very good at that aspect though.

by 02Coug on Jan 2, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

In Bennet's offense, yes

In UW’s offense, not so much. I’m not sure this UW team is as good at doing it, but their basic strategy is one of speed and going on runs where they use their defense to harrass and create offense. Not convinced they will come back, just saying that they are very capable of it.

by 02Coug on Jan 2, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

It's going to be a long year listening to Oregon fans whine about officials

You’re not going to get to the line a ton when your game is to shoot 3 balls. Sorry, teams that attack should and will get more calls.

by Brian Floyd on Jan 2, 2010 3:50 PM PST reply actions  

Armstead if driving

But yeah, their offense overall is always to shoot threes. As Klay showed last year, jumpshots don’t get you to the line.

by 02Coug on Jan 2, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Armstead makes Oregon a different team

Porter is still the wildcard but Armstead was a really important pickup for the Ducks. He might save Kent his job once again.

by BornCoug on Jan 2, 2010 3:51 PM PST reply actions  

Here come the Huskies

How hard is it to stop Overton? Get in front of him, make him shoot a jumper off the bounce. He can’t.

by Jeff Nusser on Jan 2, 2010 3:54 PM PST reply actions  

Stop ball

The first rule of half court defense. Stop the initial push

by Brian Floyd on Jan 2, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Same thing that happened against the Cougs

They get a lead and then just become generally disinterested in playing defense.

by Jeff Nusser on Jan 2, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

He'll just run you over

And somehow, he’ll get the call and the continuation. Ask OSU.

by 02Coug on Jan 2, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Anyone see the start of the Kentucky/Louiseville game

Complete circus for the first 45 seconds. Wow, it was special.

by 02Coug on Jan 2, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup

Pac-10 officials disagree with the decision to let him stay in the game.

by Jeff Nusser on Jan 2, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Pac 10 officials disagreed with the game at that point

They would have sent off both teams, brought on the cheerleading teams and had them play horse to decide a winner.

by 02Coug on Jan 2, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Overton is a different defender when called for fouls

Don’t tell a Husky that. But when he got his third foul at the mid point of the half he had to actually guard with his feet and not his hands. Hasn’t looked the same since.

by 02Coug on Jan 2, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Anyone remember this offense?

The high screen that killed us against them a few years ago. Baynes on Porter on the switch

by Brian Floyd on Jan 2, 2010 3:59 PM PST reply actions  

Armstead with the brain cramp

I’m not sure what he was thinking there.

by BornCoug on Jan 2, 2010 4:00 PM PST reply actions  

Yes, he was

But to go on the road and win two games against the Huskies and Cougs? He was the best player on the floor in both games.

by Jeff Nusser on Jan 2, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

well to be fair

arizona went 1-1 at LA and oregon SHOULD have been 1-1 in washington….

by BigWood! on Jan 2, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Why drive the lane there?

Armstead as a freshman is smarter than TP as a senior

by Brian Floyd on Jan 2, 2010 4:01 PM PST reply actions  

Isn't he a JC transfer?

TP is just a gunner. Armstead gets everyone involved and allows TP to do what he does well. He guns but since he isn’t the point the team is so much more cohesive.

by BornCoug on Jan 2, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

From the Seattle Times

the views don’t give credit to WSU being a better squad and thus giving Oregon a better game.

by CougM.E.93 on Jan 2, 2010 4:08 PM PST reply actions  

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