Pac-10 Weekend Wrap: Yup, just like we thought ...
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Well, that went about as expected -- if not in result, certainly in unpredictability.
At the end of the first weekend of conference play, three teams made it out unscathed -- two of which were at least somewhat expected (Cal and USC) and one unexpected (Oregon, for multiple reasons I certainly don't need to rehash here). The rest of the conference is a jumbled mess.
On to the rankings!
1. California
Rank last week: 2
Record last week: 3-0
Overall Record: 9-4
Well, the Bears have finally ascended to the spot I figured they would be in all along. After struggling early in the season (due in large part to injuries), Cal is now rolling with Theo Robertson fully back in the swing of things. How dominant were the Bears last week? How about posting offensive efficiencies of 132.1, 127.7 and 130.8 in their wins? Sure, it was against Utah Valley, UC Santa Barbara and Stanford, but I don't care -- that's really good no matter the opponent.
Bright spot: They were up by 20 on Stanford ... at halftime. That's impressive, but perhaps more impressive is that they had only given up 25 points to the Cardinal in that half on approximately 34 possessions. That's flat defensive domination, there.
Question mark: The offense will face its stiffest test since Kansas when the Bears lace up against the Trojans on Saturday -- USC actually is one spot ahead of Kansas in adjusted defensive efficiency. The Jayhawks held them down pretty good -- 89.3, low mark of the season; will they be up to the challenge this time?
2. USC
Rank last week: 3
Record last week: 2-0
Overall Record: 10-4
Well, what a weird week for the Trojans. They're the hottest team in the conference, they possess the best nonconference resume of any team in the Pac-10, they're sitting pretty on top of the standings and ... they won't be able to play in the postseason, thanks to O.J. Mayo hanging out with a man of ill repute. These players deserve better with the way they've been playing. My guess is that these penalties were in the works long before the team got its crap together, but still -- this really, really sucks for both the USC players and the Pac-10 in general. The Trojans might have been the conference's best shot at a second at-large bid.
Bright spot: The defense is still ridiculous. How ridiculous? The Trojans held ASU to 61.6 efficiency on Saturday. That is not a typo. Funny thing is, that's only the second-lowest performance of the season -- Sacramento State posted 55.5. Coug fans will get a kick out of watching these guys play defense.
Question mark: The offense still stinks. It hasn't mattered yet, but Kevin O'Neill is playing essentially seven guys. One has to wonder if the defense isn't going to tire as the season wears on -- never mind the fact that it's worthwhile to question whether the Trojans will keep playing hard.
3. Washington State
Rank last week: 5
Record last week: 2-0 1-1
Overall Record: 12-2 11-3
Too high for the Cougs? Well, here's my reasoning. First off, no way am I putting the Ducks ahead of them. Second, they won a pair of games without playing their best basketball -- they sleepwalked through the first half of Oregon, and beat an OSU team that hung with Washington most of the night without Klay Thompson doing diddlysquat. Only an assist from the officials, Tajuan Porter having one of his out-of-body experiences and Malcolm Armstead making a spectacular individual play kept the Cougs from sitting at the top of the standings with USC. You just can't convince me that Oregon is better right now.
One last note: This is the last time you'll hear snarky remarks from me about what record we should have. I've now said my peace, and I'm done. No more whining about what we actually earned versus what we actually have.
Bright spot: As we noted, the Cougs hardly played their best ball and still should have been 2-0. Not sure how much longer they'll get away with not playing their best, but it's OK for now. Klay scores seven and sits out the final five minutes against OSU and still the Cougs win -- even after 2OT heartbreak two days before? Yeah, Ken Bone is right when he says this team is growing before our eyes.
Question mark: If they don't get better this week, they'll be whimpering back to Pullman with a pair of losses at the hands of Arizona and ASU. They're going to have to bring it on the road. A sweep in either direction is not out of the question.
4. Oregon
Rank last week: 7
Record last week: 2-1 3-0
Overall Record: 9-5 10-4
Look -- no matter how we feel about the Ducks getting a "win" in Pullman, you have to admit that they made their own opportunities in that game. Armstead and Michael Dunigan gave the Ducks a lead in the first half, they were able to get to overtime, and then Porter went crazy before Armstead made a great play to win it. It might have been helped out a lot by a fortuitous call, but the Ducks earned the win in every other respect. They also exposed UW in a bad way.
Bright spot: In a conference with a dearth of quality big men, the Ducks' front line has the potential to be dominant. I'm still not the biggest Dunigan fan -- after all, does the fact that you only started playing basketball in 10th grade prevent you from working hard in the offseason to get in shape? -- but the sheer size and rebounding ability Oregon will give most everyone fits on any given night.
Question mark: The defense still comes and goes. Into the second half against the Cougs, I wrote on the game thread that if the Cougs could take care of the ball and defensive rebound, they'd win the game, because Oregon had tired of playing defense. That was absolutely true. Is their offense good enough to carry their inconsistent defense? I'm not sold yet.
5. Washington
Rank last week: 1
Record last week: 1-1
Overall Record: 10-3
Too low for UW? I think the Huskies have been cruising for this for a while. The win over OSU wasn't even remotely convincing -- the Beavers blew numerous chances to take the lead late in that game -- and then Oregon slapped them around in the heretofore impenetrable fortress known as Hec Ed. UW could have easily been 0-2. The offense isn't nearly as potent as previous vintages, and when they have an off defensive night ... well, you get what happened against the Ducks. Washington is a merely average shooting team that tries to makes up for a that deficiency with excellent offensive rebounding and free throw rates. It's not going to be enough on nights they don't play defense.
Bright spot: Abdul Gaddy led the Huskies in assists in both games, although he only averaged 16.5 minutes. Hopefully he's coming around -- UW needs him to make some plays. (Which he probably already knows and to which you probably can attribute his slow start.)
Question mark: Washington has some serious issues with interior toughness, something I openly wondered about before the season. Their block percentage is misleading; it was built against smaller, less athletic opponents. None of UW's guards are especially good at preventing penetration -- sorry, Venoy Overton fans, but of all the things he's good at, staying in front of somebody is most certainly not one of them -- and Armstead showed there's just not a lot of reason to fear heading into the lane against Washington. You can bet guys like Mike Gerrity, Nic Wise and Reggie Moore took note.
6. Arizona
Rank last week: 6
Record last week: 1-2
Overall Record: 7-7
Too bad the week started off with such a shellacking at the hands of BYU, because there's just no shame in splitting on the road in Los Angeles. They gave the Trojans a heck of a battle, and then looked far superior to a UCLA team that had picked up a nice win over ASU a couple of days before. Even more impressive was that they handled the Bruins so easily without Nic Wise doing much at all. A nice win for a team that has survived a brutal schedule and is still growing.
Bright spot: Kyle Fogg had a huge game against UCLA; if he turns into a legitimate third scoring option for the Wildcats, this becomes a completely different team -- in a good way.
Question mark: This team's offense is severely limited by its shooting -- as one of the worst offensive rebounding teams in the country, really the only way they're able to score is by shooting the ball well. It'll be interesting to see if their shooting improves at all, or if their offense remains inconsistent.
7. Arizona State
Rank last week: 4
Record last week: 0-2
Overall Record: 10-5
Well, that went about as poorly as one could possibly imagine for the Sun Devils. They lost a close one to the Bruins, then got absolutely shut down by that suffocating USC defense. When this team isn't shooting the 3-ball well, it's going to struggle to score points. This weekend's visits from UW (Friday) and WSU (Sunday) suddenly loom really, really large.
Bright spot: Gonna have to stretch for this one, after that trip. How about this? Jamelle McMillan is doing his best impersonation of his father, filling the stat line. Most like Nate? The 2.8 steal percentage.
Question mark: Does this team have enough athleticism to compete in this conference? The Cougs were able to pile up a lot of wins in the nonconference schedule last season with experience and fundamentals, but once they had to play athletes, they couldn't keep up. We'll no more after taking on UW on Friday.
8. UCLA
Rank last week: 10
Record last week: 1-1
Overall Record: 6-8
I keep saying the Bruins are heading in the right direction, and they went ahead and validated it with a nice win over the Sun Devils. They were more or less torched by the Wildcats (and we'll talk about what issues that exposed here in a second), but don't scoff at the win over ASU. It's a good one for a team that desperately needed to defend its home floor.
Bright spot: So what if the Bruins didn't play any defense against the Sun Devils? When you shoot like they did, it doesn't matter. UCLA has the weapons to beat teams from outside; perhaps this is a harbinger of things to come.
Question mark: There are now some serious questions about the Bruins' athleticism and just how vulnerable that will leave them the rest of the Pac-10 season. I was shocked at how easily Arizona's perimeter players were able to penetrate -- I mean, nobody penetrated like that in years past against Howland's teams. And there are plenty of quick guards left on the Bruins' docket..
9. Stanford
Rank last week: 9
Record last week: 1-1
Record: 6-7
Well, the Cardinal got whipped by Cal. Not exactly shocking, but perhaps a little discouraging. Stanford's results seem to be heading in the wrong direction, in terms of scoring margin. Even the win against James Madison was closer than Stanford would have hoped. Things are not looking up right now for the Cardinal.
Bright spot: Landry Fields is still really good -- 20 points, 10 rebounds and four assists against Cal. I have a feeling this is going to become a redundant theme.
Question mark: Fields scored 20, Jeremy Green had 23 ... and no one else had more than five. Ouch. This team needs more scoring punch than these to alone can provide.
10. Oregon State
Rank last week: 8
Record last week: 0-2
Overall Record: 6-7
This team is bad right now. Very bad. They turn the ball over a ton -- which is really odd considering it's a veteran squad. They should be able to take care of the ball better than they do, and it's mess. They also don't shoot well. That's kind of a lethal combination -- and not in a good way.
Bright spot: Tough again, after the 0-2 weekend. They did get a lot of offensive rebounds against the Cougs, although that's not exactly a huge accomplishment against the WSU front line..
Question mark: It's borderline unbelievable how much OSU turns the ball over. It's not like it's due to ball pressure; they just give it to the other team. If it continues to be an issue, the Beavers will continue to remain here at the bottom of the rankings.
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Bracketology
I don’t put much stock in Joe Lunardi’s Bracketology this early in the season, but his latest bracket (updated 1/4/10) has Oregon as a 12 seed. It looks like the Washington school sweep has gotten them some national attention.
I wish you could post my projected standings because
I had Oregon in the top 3 I believe. Let’s remember Oregon was not playing with Catron. If they had him back, I don’t think we would even be in the game. I am not sure what team can match up with those guys down low and if Porter is right, which often he is not, they are a very dangerous team.
Where I underestimated Oregon was Armstead
Kent likely knew what he was getting, but there’s no way the rest of us could have. He’s awesome — easily the best point guard they’ve had since Brooks. He’s the one that makes that offense go, and Kent’s offense needs that kind of a guy. It’s completely predicated on penetrating and finishing or kicking, and Armstead is really, really good at that.
At what point does "not playing our best" become "how we usually play"?
It just seems like every game we barely win (or lose) we weren’t “playing our best” and only in the blowouts are we truly playing to our potential. But with a young team we can hardly expect to bring our A game every night. I think it may be more accurate to say that how we played this week is more like our normal level, but some nights we just do everything right and it’s magical.
In that context, it’s hard to say Oregon should be ranked below us. They came to our floor, survived a dramatic comeback, got a lucky call and played their best during the decisive period. Then they pretty much dominated the only ranked team in our conference IN Seattle. I would argue that even if we’d ended up winning in 2OT, an overtime loss and dominating “upset” win on the road is a more impressive Pac-10 week than winning two nailbiters at home. The only real justification in my mind to have Oregon below us this week is that they started below us, and ask Boise State how they feel about that sort of ranking!
Fair enough
I guess it felt like we had enough “sub-par” games that I wasn’t sure where par was anymore. Offhand I only thought that LSU, San Diego and Portland State were our ON games, but other than most of the Gonzaga game the whole team generally didn’t feel like they totally locked in.
I’m really hoping for a sweep, I think we can do it. The Arizona game will probably come down to the wire and the ASU game will probably either be a close loss by us (sub-par again!) or a win. Ideally, UW will cream ASU to further send them into despair prior to our game. This is totally selfish by me because I am actually going to the game in Tempe on Sunday!
Almost nobody plays at peak performance for an entire season
That’s why it’s so vital to continue to win games even as you get better. This team is doing that.
Rankings
There are some pretty obvious tiers in the rankings, even if teams haven’t separated themselves. Cal and USC are the top two by way of their play right now. 3-5 can be put in any order, really. Sure we should’ve won that game, but Oregon looks good right now. UW got a reality check and the question is how they will respond. Finally, 6-10 is a jumble right now, too. OSU plays terribly, yet almost walked out of last weekend 2-0. ASU fell on their face, which was surprising.
A sweep in Arizona this weekend needs to happen for us to make put last weekend out of the picture. It’s something that is very possible with the matchups we have and the way ASU is playing.
Whooee.
Someone is bitter.
Its a technical foul for players to come on from the bench to the court (nearly ALL of them) while the game is in play. THAT’S THE RULES OF BASKETBALL.
YOU CHEATED. YOU GOT PENALIZED. RULES. DON’T MESS IT UP NEXT TIME.
Besides, Washington is better than WSU and they ducks rolled up on them. Oregon is good. Eventually ya gotta accept it.
And $C does not belong at #2. The record says they could be, but the winds gonna be gone from these guys.
But hey, at least ya’ll up north are good enough to bring Oregon some attention when they beat you! ’S not like football…
Weird, it's almost as if ALL of those arguments have been covered
Crazy I know, but if you read what has been written here you’d see that.
These are power rankings, they reflect who’s good at the moment. USC is the hottest team in the pac-10 and until they show the wind is out of the sails, they will stay where they are.
Wow.
You probably should read this before saying anything else. Like cougfan said, we’ve kind of covered all of that already, so you’re a little late to the party. This was written for people who already have been a part of this conversation, so if you want to catch up, go read that piece. Then you’ll know where we’re coming from.
As for USC, they are flat dominant on one side of the ball. The only other team that can say that is Cal. I’d take USC to beat anyone else in the conference right now other than Cal; hence, the No. 2 ranking.
It happens, you just missed the previous discussion
I think we can put it behind us a little more after we play this weekend and surely have more to distract ourselves.
It's fine, we probably do seem a little bitter, and that's because we are.
I’m sure you can understand that. Thanks for apologizing.
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Ken Bone should experiment with the Thames and Moore duo more often. They can become strong leaders at the end of this season for how young they are. They also are a real good pair of guards on the court, like we saw while playing OSU. These players can snag points while Klay is off the floor and they can spread the defense so their teammates can score.
Coach Bone should also try Watson and Casto down low more often, as I see some good scoring for the paint there. I wouldn’t try Charlie though, I think he is a foul magnet, as seen from past games.
Most of all while down in Arizona, the Cougars really need to make their free throws.
I think Thames and Moore will see the floor
As Bone said, and as we speculated, Casto and Watson together down low won’t be a regular deal. If both get in foul trouble, we’re more or less screwed. Watson has taken the role of Casto’s backup and occasionally they will see some time together down low.
As for Thames and Moore, I think you’ll see more of the two of them together when we need ball handlers. Thames is still Moore’s primary backup, but he adds another shooting threat and ball handler to the equation over Capers.
Doesn't Arizona like throwing in a full court press?
I know they did in the good old days, not sure if Miller changed it a lot. I suspect we’ll see a lot of Thames and Moore at the same time, hopefully with Klay as well so he can take advantage of some open looks (assuming we can handle the pressure).
If Casto and Watson can work together to beat double teams and find open shooters, I could see Bone playing with a lineup like that occasionally this week. Considering the lack of size with either team we’re facing, we might be able to create some mismatches with a bigger lineup. I’m also interested to see who plays the high post 2-3 zone breaker that Cowgill was so good at doing in previous years. I wouldn’t mind seeing Lodwick give it a shot, since he’s a decent threat to shoot from there if they don’t cover him and break their zone. Should be interesting.
Not anymore
Their defense will look more like the Bennett defense than the crazy pressing crap Pennell had them doing last year.
They'll make the freebies.
A big part of the problem was our most frequent free thrower going 2-7 (when he usually shoots over 80%).
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It will be interesting to see if Landry Fields can keep his performance at the same level during the Pac-10 schedule. He didn’t really have a very good game against Cal – he took a ton of shots (9-24), got destroyed by Max Zhang blocks twice, and got half his points well after the game was decided. Now that he’s clearly the focal point of Stanford’s offense, and facing better defenses, will he be able to continue scoring ~20 points per game?
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