Vindication, yes - but redress? Chances might be better than you think
Holy cow. This is the story that just won't go away.
And I'm starting to think that might be a really, really good thing.
This isn't exactly Woodward and Bernstein, but intrepid Seattle Times reporter Bud Withers continues to demonstrate why, in this world of blogging and "citizen journalism," we still need highly trained, highly qualified, full time, paid, working journalists to keep an eye on our institutions. He's still tracking the Oregon technical foul story, and I have to admit: I'm nearly shocked by this latest turn.
To recap, the referees defended their call in the immediate aftermath of the game, and the Pac-10 then did the same (calling it unfortunate but a judgment call). That's hardly surprising, given the way conferences tend to defend their officials to the death -- after all, they're the ones who have to work with these guys. For as bad as we think officials are sometimes, trust me: If they thought there were better alternatives out there, they'd be employed. So they do their best to make what they've got the very best it can be, and they apparently think that going to bat for their guys is the best way to help them keep their confidence, which is an essential part of officiating.
Of course, we promptly ripped the decision apart, using video evidence and the NCAA's own rulebook. Our main point? This absolutely, positively, was not a judgment call -- it was a misapplication of the rules. I honestly figured that would be the end of it. They defend an unconscionable decision, we indignantly and futilely beat it to death, and that's that. Oregon keeps their undeserved win, and we're left to wonder, "What if?"
But there are some cracks developing in the dam -- cracks which have me seriously wondering whether there might actually be a chance, however small, to achieve a heretofore unthinkable outcome: Getting this thing reversed.
First came Pac-10 coordinator of officials Bill McCabe's admission that NCAA supervisor of officials John Adams said, "We don't want our games to end this way. It's not good for college basketball." That raised a fair number of eyebrows. (He later clarified his meaning, saying that he merely meant that it's not good for games to be decided by technical fouls; he has no problem with officials exercising their judgment to the best of their ability, which he said is what happened. More on that later.)In that same story, McCabe said the likely outcome of this was that officials were likely to be told that a violation should only be called when the team is ready to inbound or the official has started his five-second count.
The implication was clear: This was a judgment call, but the judgment was poor. And even though the judgment was poor, there's virtually nothing that can be done about a judgment call. It's the same sort of thing if a guy, I don't know, takes about six steps on his way to the rim for a game-winning shot and no violation is called.
End of story, right?
Not so fast. Then came an e-mail from Adams to one of our readers, CanyonCoug, which stated in part:
(I)t was the officiating crew’s judgment that the players and fan on the floor were going to impede OR’s opportunity to inbound the ball.
Same implication: Poor judgment, but judgment call nonetheless. Nothing to be done.
However, this response might be more significant than you think, in that it introduced a brand new bit of ammunition with regards to the Cougs' argument.
The key phrase here is "going to impede." There is nothing in the NCAA rule book which provides for "going to impede" as the minimum threshold for a technical foul. The minimum threshold is that it actually does impede Oregon's ability to inbound the ball. Essentially, we now have -- on the record -- an admission from the highest supervisor of referees in the NCAA that Oregon was not impeded from inbounding the ball, as claimed immediately by the game officials and subsequently confirmed by the Pac-10.
Then came today's story from Withers, which I consider nothing less than a bombshell.
Remember how we said from the very beginning that this wasn't a judgment call at all, that it was actually a misapplication of the applicable rules? Turns out, Ed Bilik, the guy the NCAA pays to be in charge of its rules, agrees with us, and not the Pac-10:
Referring to the end-of-overtime chaos that turned an apparent WSU victory into an Oregon win, Bilik said, "The ball was never even taken out of bounds. So how could it interfere with continuous play? Basically, there was no interference in terms of the ball being put into play."
Bilik felt so strongly about this, he actually issued a reminder to officials on how to correctly apply the rules at the end of a game in the event a player leaves the bench or a fan ends up on the court. (The underlining is their formatting, not ours.)
When a delay by a jubilant follower(s) or bench personnel before player activity has been terminated does not prevent the ball from being put in play promptly or does not interfere with continuous play, the delay shall be ignored, order shall be restored and play shall be resumed.
This is beyond enormous. Why? Because he now seems to be saying this was not a judgment call. He has said, on the record with Withers, that the ball was never taken out of bounds. And he has now said, on the record through the NCAA website, that -- according to the rules -- no violation occurs unless the team is ready to inbound the ball (continuous play).
You might already see where I'm going with this. If it wasn't a judgment call -- if it was indeed a misapplication of the rules -- this is something which can now be overturned on appeal.
Let that sink in for a second.
If I'm Jim Sterk and Ken Bone this morning, I'm going absolutely bat-bleep crazy over this. I'm on the phone with Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott faster than you can say, "See! I told you they blew the call!" And I'm now filing an official rules appeal on the grounds that these officials didn't just blow a judgment call -- they blew a rule.
Now, I can't find anywhere online where the procedure for a rules appeal in the NCAA is outlined. But the basics of any appeal in any sport are as follows: If indeed a team was wronged by the misapplication of a rule, that team is entitled to redress -- up to and including finishing the game under the conditions that should have been applied in the first place. Based off of how we know appeals in other sports are generally handled, we can make some educated assumptions about how the examination of this play might go down.
The first step in any appeal is determining whether a rule was even misapplied. The Cougs now have what sure as heck seems like that admission.
The next step is determining what redress, if any, is warranted. Often, it is decided that the mistake had no impact on the outcome of the contest, therefore the mistake is duly noted and the result stands. Sometimes, it is decided that while the rule was indeed applied incorrectly, it's difficult to tell what the impact of the ruling actually was. If the impact is generally considered to be negligible -- even if it went distinctly against one team -- again, the result stands.
But if the ruling is considered to clearly have a direct impact on the outcome of the game (as is obviously the case here) that opens up an entirely new can of worms. In that instance, the ruling body will try to figure out if the error can be corrected -- usually by replaying the game from the point the error was made. The biggest barrier to this happening is usually logistics. In other words, when will it be replayed, and will the conditions even be a reasonable facsimile of the original conditions? When it's too difficult to straighten out -- usually too much of a financial burden -- then the ruling will often stand, even though one team was clearly wronged.
Lastly, even if all these conditions are met, one final question must be answered: Will a reversal set a dangerous precedent that's likely to become burdensome?
With that in mind, let's take a look at the Cougs' case:
- They have what seems to be an admission from the sport's highest rule interpreter that the officials who made the call misapplied a rule.
- The result of that misapplication clearly had an immediate and adverse impact on one team's ability to win the game, as it was extremely unlikely that Oregon was going to convert a basket with 0.3 of a second remaining. (By rule, 0.3 seconds is only enough time for a tip, not a catch-and-shoot.) Therefore, the outcome of the game was likely to be different. Redress is clearly warranted.
- There is a practical application of the redress: The Cougs travel to Oregon on March 6 for the final game of the Pac-10 season. The final 0.3 seconds could be replayed immediately before that contest.
- It's unlikely that this reversal would become burdensome; the scope is specific, the misapplication of the rule unquestionable, and this specific instance is unlikely to happen again, given the amount of publicity it has received, especially within the officiating community.
Think that replaying part of a game before another game is never going to happen? Think again -- the NBA did this exact thing two years ago. And that contest was much more comical than this one, as many of the players involved had been traded to other teams by the time it was replayed. In all likelihood, we're talking about replaying one play. It doesn't get any more practical than that.
What seemed like a pipe dream even just a couple of days ago now seems to be a very real possibility. The biggest barrier, to me, is that the Pac-10 is the one who ultimately will make the call on this, and McCabe has made it clear that he believes this was a judgment call. But if the Cougs can somehow get some pressure from above him, they might have a shot. Obviously, no one wants this thing to drag on forever, but this also doesn't need to be resolved in a day or two; they've got time to make a measured, considered decision.
Please, Pac-10: Do the right thing. Correct an injustice, as it's been demonstrated to be. It can be done, and it can be done about as painlessly as one could hope for. Make it happen.
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I just don't see it happening.
The precedent obstacle is the toughest to get around. Even if the NCAA were to want to go over the Pac 10’s head with this, they would then have to deal with every team in every sport applying for an appeal. What about the Nebraska-Texas football game? Or the Arkansas-Florida game? It would be too much of a headache for the NCAA, and it will just be easier to apologize and move on. If they didn’t allow a replay of the oregon-oklahoma football game a couple years ago, I don’t see how they allow this.
I don't either
But there’s more of a chance now than there ever has been.
As far as I know, there was nothing in Nebraska/Texas, Arkansas/Florida, or Oregon/Oklahoma that was a clear misapplication of the rules that had a direct impact on the outcome of those games. Those are apples to this situations orange. It’s not even comparable.
If a replay of the final .3 seconds will not be done
Then throw out the results of the game altogether. Oregon and WSU just play one less game than the rest of the Pac 10. WSU gets double penalized for the misapplication of the rule because they suffered a loss, which hurts their record, RPI, etc.
I'd be ok with a legitimate apology
All the post-call b.s. angers me just about as much as the original call
If there was a replay at Mac Court
I guarantee right now I will be there for the sole purpose of taunting their fans
I posted it over in fanposts because Nuss got a shout out from Coach Bone
But, in a Jim Moore article, Coach Bone still wakes up in the middle of the night thinking of the call and the long term repercussions that this could have on the Cougars season.
So if there is a miracle and the final .3 seconds is replayed,
it seems like I’ve heard someone say that .3 seconds is not enough time for a catch and shoot, and that’s even in the rule book. First, is this true, and second, could this affect the commisioner’s decision?
I don't know if it would affect the commisioner's decision
But, the rule book does state that with .3 seconds or less a player cannot catch and shoot the ball. They can only tip in the ball or something like hit the ball.
Yes, .3 is only enough for a tip
And yes, as I stated above, I actually DO think the fact that a basket is highly unlikely actually works in our favor. I think it works in our favor big time.
Does anyone know if there was Pine Tar on the basketball?
Maybe they would replay the last .3 second of the game.
Nuss in the PI
Just wanted to make sure you caught this article from our, mine at least, favorite sports writer.
My Position Is Keep The Pressure On
To all Cougars whose blood pumps Crimson we must keep the pressure on to (at a minimum) get the rule changed such that no team will ever have this occur to them. I would like to believe that redress is warranted, but let’s get real here, eh?
The ONLY time I have ever seen that happen was in a Division I-AA game years ago when two officials standing side by side under the goal post were exposed on ESPN calling a field goal good with no time left when it clearly went under the bar. The fans stormed the field, nearly killed the Referee, and when the police finally restored order/saved the SOB, they reversed the call.
Hence, let’s settle for a clear rule change and save the game of College Basketball from further embarassment, unless of course some good lawyer is willing to take up the cause in a Court of Law, sue the bastards into submission…..but I digress.
Go Cougs!!
How much time was on the clock when Capers
got beat for the tip end at the end of the 1st half?
Different rules for .6 and .3.
I don’t think the player could catch the ball the way they did and get the shot off in .3
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Is Sterk going to continue fighting this with the Pac-10?
Anyone know or been able to see any quotes from Sterk? He cannot let this end as there is just to much evidence showing the refs blew this call and it is still being talked about over a week after the game. This is making the conference look really bad as they need to admit there was a mistake made and replay the 0.3 seconds before we play the game at Oregon.
Cannot tell you how much I would love to see Sterk stand up to the Pac-10 and not back down to their stupid explanation. You know how much good will he will earn with Coug fans forever if he fights this?
This is how the Pac-10 can become a leader of conferences again....
Step up to the plate so to speak. Make a bold statement and it doesn’t have to be an indictment on the officials in question.
Don’t do this and I can’t see how there could possibly be any scenario in the future that would warrant a replay.
This is ridiculous.
If they game was a ‘likely win’ the cougs woulda won it in OT. They didn’t. The ducks played better.
The ducks will beat them when to head down to eugene, and that will be the end of that.
This isnt about who played the better game.
WSU was ahead with .3 seconds left and should have gotten the win at the end of the 1st OT. In the end, no one cares who lead the entire game. A wins a win. And im not trying to argue with you im just stating what I saw when i watched the game.
It is beside the point because your missing the point
The point is that with .3 seconds left and a 2 point lead, if the technical is NOT called, the game is a likely win. The incorrect (according the head of the NCAA rules committee, a bit of an expert) call changed the outcome of the game by incorrectly awarding 2 free throws. So you can think that the Cougar fans are just whining, but according to the guy that is paid to make sure the rules are enforced correctly. , we are making the correct argument.
REMEMBER THAT PLAY? FROM THE VERY SAME GAME? HUH?
NO. THE GAME WAS NOT OVER.
oh come on
Pay close attention because everyone is tired of explaining this. If you’re going to blame refs you’re going to be doing it all year. Foul differential doesn’t mean poor officiating. Your team relies on the three. Our team drives and draws contact. Which team was going to be at the line more
by Brian Floyd on Jan 8, 2010 5:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Great, you showed a play that wouldn't have counted
Watching the clock above, it starts slow AND he releases the ball at .2 seconds.
Oh, and I never said the game was over. I said the refs changed the outcome. To quote myself “The point is that with .3 seconds left and a 2 point lead, if the technical is NOT called, the game is a likely win.” I did not say a guarantee. I said a likely win.
Yeah...let myself get worked up
It’s sad, I want the game to get replayed from the .3 second point more because of the way Duck fans have acted about it then anything else.
All
the refs did was incidentally force the cougs to prove they were superior a second time on what IS a judgment call.
… anndddd…..
They instead for some reason decided to NOT win.
And why is the video of the bad call taken down from YouTube now…. It was good…
Again, you should read what was written in the article.
The NCAA has now come out and said that it is not supposed to be a judgement call, that the refs made the wrong call. As this is the argument we have been making for a week, we feel justified.
welcome back
I’m sure it was we made a decision not to win because who likes winning. Youtube posts get pulled for copyrights usually.
If you read….it was NOT a judgment call but a misinterpretation of the rule.
by Brian Floyd on Jan 8, 2010 4:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Surely.
42 free throw attempts in the second half for WSU vs. 12 for UO was a misinterpretation of the rulebook, too? Not a judgment call?
I find it ironic, and agree with other ducks, that in fact cougs are whining about the only call the entire game that wasn’t handed to them on a silver platter.
The ducks led the whole game despite the best efforts of WSU’s 6th man, but ended up winning. A reflection of that domination.
Duck fans have proven themselves to be the worst fans in the country, always should agree with them
Also, you spouting off about the free throw differential proves you know nothing about basketball. Stop embarrassing yourself.
by spokanecougar on Jan 8, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
Real injustice...
The real injustice is that Klay Thompson attempted 21 free throws to the entire Oregon teams’ 16! Maybe they blew the call at the end of the game, but come on, that is a ridiculous discrepancy.
Oregon shoots threes, doesn't drive, avoides contact
Klay spent the whole game driving to the basket getting hacked. The two are unrelated.
if one of your fans would understand and not cite fts if do backflips
It makes you look terrible. Understand klay drives and draws contact. Oregon jacks up jumpers. Figure it out before you criticize officials. Well called games have nothing to so with ft differential
by Brian Floyd on Jan 8, 2010 5:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Why are Duck fans on here?
Don’t you have your own blog to share your lack of basketball knowledge with
by spokanecougar on Jan 8, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
Let them come
They just make themselves look more ridiculous. If they want to engage in real conversation, engage them. If they just want to come stir the pot, ignore them and let them look stupid.
Oregon is 217th in the country in free throw rate (FTA per FGA)
Washington State is 9th. The fact that WSU had a free throw advantage in this game is not surprising.
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Read the last two paragraphs of Withers
John Adams, coordinator of NCAA officials, said Bilik’s end-of-game reminder "narrows down the definition of interference with continuous play. I’m supporting the process and the decision the referees used at the end of the game.
“I will not opine on anything other than what they did. They followed the rules and used their judgment and applied the rule.”
If Bone controls his bench you win. WSU left it to the refs.
All this pissing and moaning over one loss is really pathetic. It’s a long season folks. If you have a good team that will show during the rest of the year.
I know you had NOTHING during football season, but you’re really sounding like a pack of whiny kitties now.
No pissing and moaning here
Just pointing out that the NCAA now agrees with us that the call never should have been made in the first place, and that it’s not out of the question that something more could be done.
You know, it really would be a shame if you actually had to take a loss in your record for a game you actually, you know … lost.
Also, please read the Community Guidelines, lest you get banned for continuing to violate them.
Speaking of whining
Wow. After three total posts? You want to ban me? Go ahead. Pretty touchy, if you ask me. But after reading many posts here, I can’t say I’d be surprised.
The refs had wide latitude to make the call. In the heat of the moment, they made a judgment, one that the NCAA head of refs refused to say was wrong. That was the point of the paragraph I highlighted. The NCAA might not have wanted them to make that call, but that doesn’t matter. What was clear was the Cougar bench was all over the court. Total lack of discipline. You leave it to the refs, especially in the Pac 10, and you’re gonna get burned.
Your boys had a great win last night. Enjoy it. My advice: Stop living in the past.
If the NCAA is skeptical about the call,
are post-season selection committees going to take that into account? I would hope that the selection committees would throw out this game when decision time comes.
Hey Nuss, more people with power need to read this blog post
If Jim Sterk read this post he may be more inclined to do something. Is there any way you could get this article in front of him? The post presents some good evidence that he could use to fight for our case of an appeal. Jim Sterk is probably so busy with everything that his job entails that he does not have enough time to do the kind of thorough research and evidence that you have presented. If we could even start an appeals process and get people talking about this, there is a better chance of playing out the final .3 seconds than stands now. In addition, the NCAA is the big dog over the Pac-10. I think that if they were thoroughly convinced of the injustice that WSU recieved for this situation and that indeed it was a failure in the ruling instead of a judgment call, that they could step in influence the situation.

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