AUDIO: CougCenter Podcast, Episode 39 - Arizona Wildcats Edition
Back for another edition of the podcast. Hmmmm ... whatever was there to talk about? We struggled, but we figured a few things out -- over an hour's worth! It was long, but I think the discussion was good.
We touched on a number of topics, including the pot bust involving Jamal Atofau and Andre Barrington, Ryan Leaf allegedly taking payments from an agent, the performance against Oregon, listener e-mails, and a look at what we might expect against Arizona. We recorded last night.
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Regarding helmet to helmet
Take away the helmet.
by Aaron Whiteman on Oct 13, 2010 10:58 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
yup.
There is a phenomena in which we humans are stupid and like to maintain a certain “perceived risk.” Every safety device increases perceived safety, so we compensate by being more stupid until the risk stabilizes. This is most common in cars—we drive “safer” cars more dangerously than the one we think will kill us if we look at it sideways.
Take away the helmet and the willingness to tackle leading with the top of your head will likely go away.
by Aaron Whiteman on Oct 14, 2010 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
On a theoretical level, you have a point
But on a practical level, there were far more head trauma injuries — some fatal — when there were no helmets.
Sticking with theory, I think if proper tackling was taught
You wouldn’t see it.
How many head trauma injuries occur in rugby? (I honestly have no idea)
by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 14, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
A lot
One study here.
You’d have to have helmets for the offensive and defensive linemen anyways, right? They hit heads every play, and to take away helmets would require them to completely change everything about their technique. In theory.
by johnnycougar on Oct 14, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
That was my thinking
The big hits in the open field are surely more violent and get more publicity, but what happens on the line has a worse effect in the long term.
by Brian Floyd on Oct 14, 2010 9:08 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Not to mention being 100+ pounds overweight.
Poor linemen.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 14, 2010 9:40 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm just knee-jerking anyway.
There are a lot of head injuries in football. There’s a lot in Rugby too. Heck, there might even be a fair number in soccer; they do knock heads going after the ball.
But the difficult thing is managing it. Things that significantly improve individual safety may decrease herd safety because individuals become more reckless.
So the real question: how do we make the game appear (to the players) to be more dangerous (encouraging them to play less recklessly) while maintaining the actual safety of the game?
Going back to cars, there’s a town in England that removed all their roadsigns. The result: drivers complain that “it’s not safe” and accident rates (especially those involving pedestrians) dropped like a stone. So, increasing the apparent risk does change behavior fairly dramatically.
by Aaron Whiteman on Oct 14, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
From that New Yorker piece to support your point
Would better helmets help? Perhaps. And there have been better models introduced that absorb more of the shock from a hit. But, Nowinski says, the better helmets have become—and the more invulnerable they have made the player seem—the more athletes have been inclined to play recklessly.
Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/10/19/091019fa_fact_gladwell?currentPage=all#ixzz12M3nOteI
by Jeff Nusser on Oct 14, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
You're worried about Wilson getting killed too?
I thought I was the only one.
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Oh man, you have no idea
After seeing him without pads, I realized just how small he is. The kid is 17 years old, 6’3 and about 170 pounds if he’s lucky. I hold my breath every time he may take contact.
by Brian Floyd on Oct 13, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel like if I punched him too hard
I might break his arm.
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How selfish are these 2 kids?
We as the Cougar Nation are now talking about the possibly of getting ONE conference win and we are happy with that! I AM Happy and PROUD of that! These guys are compromising the whole program with absolute boneheaded decisions. I don’t care about second chances if this is the kind of respect these two “kids” give the program. Thousands of WSU students (including myself) graduate every year having spent thousands of dollars and years of time learning to appreciate and take pride in this school. Now a couple of nobody’s tarnish that reputation in one night. No second or third chances for me. WSU is in my family history, this is statement time.. . this pisses me off.
First podcast I've ever listened to start to finish.
So I’d like to thank you for distracting me from my anthropology studying.
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Helmet Ideas
They should make them into huge marshmellows(one foot thick). Then head butting will not be a problem.
by well you win some and lose others on Oct 14, 2010 1:18 AM PDT reply actions
Now if only pads were made of chocolate and uniforms were woven with graham crackers.
Then every tackle would be one giant s’more.
The K is special
s'more of what?
how can I have more if I haven’t had any yet?
by Kyle Rancourt on Oct 14, 2010 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
S'more of football fun.
In the sun,
go cougs and run run run!
by well you win some and lose others on Oct 15, 2010 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't worry...

Butch will handle it.
by well you win some and lose others on Oct 15, 2010 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anyone have a solution?
I hate helmet to helmet, because of the danger, but have no idea how to stop it.
by Brian Floyd on Oct 14, 2010 7:56 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I should also add
While the big time hits usually happen between skill players, linemen take helmet hits multiple times every series.
by Brian Floyd on Oct 14, 2010 7:58 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It's a bad part of the game,
but the fact is that it is still part of the game. Your always going to have freak accidents like what happened on Saturday.
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At least those generally aren't high-speed collisions
Theirs is generally a slow damage, and I’m not sure there’s really anything to be done about that.
They say the most brain damage from football
Comes from repeated hits to the head, no matter how hard, rather than a small number of hard collisions over your career.
by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 14, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
And without looking at the numbers
I think linemen suffer the most concussions and, as a result, the most long term damage
by Brian Floyd on Oct 14, 2010 9:02 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Let's just play flag football instead
I see no way to tackle without running the risk of hitting your head. Until we develop force field technology, that is.
by johnnycougar on Oct 14, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the key is reducing that risk
And figuring a out a legitimate way to reduce the number of intentional helmet-to-helmet hits is a great place to start.
As for linemen … I honestly think it will come down to improved helmet technology, which I know is constantly improving.
Well, maybe I'm just flat wrong
From that piece, which is amazing:
When we think about football, we worry about the dangers posed by the heat and the fury of competition. Yet the HITS data suggest that practice—the routine part of the sport—can be as dangerous as the games themselves. We also tend to focus on the dramatic helmet-to-helmet hits that signal an aggressive and reckless style of play. Those kinds of hits can be policed. But what sidelined the U.N.C. player, the first time around, was an accidental and seemingly innocuous elbow, and none of the blows he suffered that day would have been flagged by a referee as illegal. Most important, though, is what Guskiewicz found when he reviewed all the data for the lineman on that first day in training camp. He didn’t just suffer those four big blows. He was hit in the head thirty-one times that day. What seems to have caused his concussion, in other words, was his cumulative exposure. And why was the second concussion—in the game at Utah—so much more serious than the first? It’s not because that hit to the side of the head was especially dramatic; it was that it came after the 76-g blow in warmup, which, in turn, followed the concussion in August, which was itself the consequence of the thirty prior hits that day, and the hits the day before that, and the day before that, and on and on, perhaps back to his high-school playing days.
by Jeff Nusser on Oct 14, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
By the way, I can't recommend this piece enough.
Please, everyone read it.
by Jeff Nusser on Oct 14, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
What do pennies have to do with football?
by well you win some and lose others on Oct 14, 2010 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I keep all of my money in pennies.
Even though they’re only worth a cent, there’s a cent and a half worth of copper in them.
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