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WSU-Arizona Recap: WSU Can't Seize Momentum, Falls To Arizona 24-7

In a game of momentum swings, Washington State could never seize the momentum and capitalize on the big plays.

The Cougs started the game off with an onside kick, successfully easily recovering the ball with no Wildcat players within 10 yards of the ball. Head coach Paul Wulff said they'd seen some things on film and decided earlier in the week that they'd go for it.

"We felt we could get it. Their front line guy was always soft and itching to get back into blocking." he said, "We just thought we had it. He went and bailed and we designed a block and it just bounced right to us."

But the Washington State offense failed to take advantage of the early momentum. After converting a fourth and one on a rollout pass, a Jeff Tuel pass deflected off the hands of Daniel Blackledge and into the hands of an Arizona defender. It was the first of many drops on the day for the Cougs, many that crippled the offense.

Arizona quarterback Nick Foles went down in the first half after Travis Long inadvertantly rolled up on him, perhaps giving WSU an edge that wasn't there to start the day. Foles dislocated his right knee cap and was in street clothes and on crutches after halftime.

"I was spinning and I got tripped up and kinda ran into his knee." Long said, "I was just on my back and just landed right on his leg, I guess."

Star-divide

With backup quarterback Matt Scott in, the defense was forced to adjust to a more mobile, but less accurate quarterback. The Cougs were able to get pressure on Scott, regularly getting in his face or dropping him for a loss. Without the ability to stretch the field, the Arizona running backs took over, rushing for 142 yards and three scores.

The sputtering WSU offense was a theme of the first half. The Cougs rushed 14 times for one net yard, totaling 56 yards of total offense by halftime. The Arizona defensive line created pressure by themselves, sacking Tuel twice in the first half and pressuring him countless other times.

The loss of David Gonzales in the first half -- to a season-ending forearm fracture -- forced the Cougs to shuffle the offensive line, moving Elliot Bosch to tackle for a few plays before sliding Wade Jacobsen to tackle in the second half. Jacobsen took time to adjust to the position, conceding back-to-back holding penalties in the second half.

"The last thing I wanna do -- I wasn't gonna let them hit Jeff. If that means taking a holding call on me, so be it." Jacobsen said, I'm not gonna let them hit my quarterback. I didn't think it was a holding call, but that's not my call."

After Arizona forced a three-and-out to start the second half, Washington State had another miscue, this time on special teams. A ground-ball snap was muffed by Reid Forrest, giving Arizona great field position. Forrest also injured his shoulder on the play.

Arizona punched it in, doing what the Cougs couldn't all day; capitalize on a momentum shift.

The Cougar offense finally got into gear on the next possession, stringing together a 14-play drive that chewed the clock. The only thing missing was points, after Nico Grasu missed a 41-yard field goal. The back-breaker during the drive was a sure touchdown pass dropped by Blackledge at the goal line.

After forcing a punt, the offense finally converted, driving 63 yards in 9 plays. Marquess Wilson made up for an earlier drop during the drive hauling in a 23-yard Tuel pass for a touchdown.

The Cougar defense stepped up again on the next possession. With Arizona driving the field, Sekope Kaufusi blew up a fourth and one play, dropping Nick Grigsby for a loss and forcing a turnover on downs.

Washington State got tricky on the first play following the turnover, attempting a double pass. The design called for James Montgomery to throw the ball back to Tuel, who would then throw downfield to Gino Simone. Simone was wide-open on the play, but it didn't matter. A missed block allowed an Brooks Reed to break up the lateral and fall on the fumble.

"We thought we had momentum. We just scored. We thought we had that play." Wulff said, "The route was open. James turned around and didn't see the defensive end that far up-field and it didn't work. We thought if we had a quick score, we could be right in it."

"I think it was rather open. We made a mistake on the back side of it." offensive coordinator Todd Sturdy said, "We turned back on the defensive end and allowed him to come up field because it was a run away. All we had to do was step down and the defensive end would've came flat. It's just an execution thing. David's out of the game, we had a new guy in there."

The play, Sturdy said, was the same play Gino Simone dropped in the first half of the Apple Cup last year.

Any chance Washington State had of drawing closer ended after another big momentum shift in the fourth quarter. After Marquess Wilson hauled in a deep pass from Jeff Tuel and raced 83 yards, Tuel was picked off in the end zone on a fade route to Wilson. The ball was thrown a bit inside and tipped up before the Arizona defensive back made a great grab and tip-toed the end line.

In a game with so many swings, WSU made too many mistakes to win the ballgame. Nearly every time they were on the verge of seizing the momentum, a mistake or turnover gave the game right back to Arizona.

After weeks of watching the offense steadily improve, it was the defense's turn this week. The offense took a step back, but the defense took a big step forward, holding there own against an Arizona offense with plenty of weapons, even without Foles.

The Cougs have the week to regroup before heading to Palo Alto to take on the Stanford Cardinal next Saturday.

Notes

The Cougs came out of the game pretty banged up today. In addition to David Gonzales' injury, Damante Horton injured his knee. Wulff said Horton hasn't been ruled out for the season, but it's not looking good. Forrest also banged up his shoulder and did not return in the third quarter.

Another 100-yard receiving game for Wilson, his fourth of the year. Wilson leads the Pac-10 in 100-yard games.

The Cougs carried the ball 34 times for 41 yards. Jeff Tuel led all Cougar rushers with 33 yards, all on scrambles.

Aire Justin took over the punt and kick returning duties, averaging 18.3 yards on kick returns and 4.5 yards on punt returns.

C.J Mizell was suspended for an unspecified violation of team rules. Wulff wouldn't clarify, but said it was nothing illegal and he just broke team rules. He missed practice on Wednesday and was late to practice on Thursday, so there you have it. Sounds like a case of setting an example and taking a hit short-term to teach Mizell a long-term lesson.

Deone Bucannon led the team in tackles and had 11 by halftime.

Casey Locker picked off his first career pass late in the first half, ending an Arizona drive in Washington State territory.

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Mizell

Ledgerwood’s mom at the tailgate said CJ wasn’t going to play today because he missed practice yesterday. Yeah, before gameday…

by IrishCoug on Oct 16, 2010 10:16 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

CJ

I wish we could get to the next step and have CJ get over all this childish nonsense. He took some big steps forward and now he is taking steps back. He probably has what it takes to play footaball at the next level, but he needs to grow up.

by CougarIKE on Oct 17, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's a surprise

that he will have a hiccup here and there. Lets see how he responds but they have “helped” him along pretty well this year.

by BornCoug on Oct 17, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Par for the course today

I’ll have more on the offense and defense tomorrow, including that.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 16, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I feel like 80% of the snaps are always low.

Doesn’t give Tuel a lot of time to survey the field.

"I've choked bigger men than you! Goulet!" Robert Goulet aka Will Ferrell

by SoCalCoug on Oct 16, 2010 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Been that way all season

You would think if the head coach is a former center, something could be done. Tuel is literally picking every step off his shoe strings. Center is one of the few positions the team has downgraded from last year.

by CougarIKE on Oct 17, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, duh

Nobody was gonna live up to Kenny Alfred.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 17, 2010 5:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

With Gonzales out, its going to be rough

He was a steady presence at LT at least. Just a tough injury.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 16, 2010 11:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Big loss

Really hurts our depth on the OL, which makes me nervous. Before this game we were 115th in the nation in allowed sacks at 22. I can’t count how many times Tuel avoided the sack today. I don’t want to see him continue to take hits, because the hits will eventually take a toll on him. How many of the sacks against us do you think are coverage sacks? Sometimes I feel like Tuel could get the pass off quicker, but on TV (because of the camera angle) I can’t tell if our receivers are getting separation quick enough, so Tuel can get rid of it. It might be a little of both (OL and receivers). I doesn’t help the pass game when our run game stinks and we can’t stall the pass rush with play action, but our pass game still some how ends up cranking out over 200 yards a game. Thanks, MQW. I miss you Ricky Galvin.

"I've choked bigger men than you! Goulet!" Robert Goulet aka Will Ferrell

by SoCalCoug on Oct 17, 2010 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Impressed with Jeff

Tuel was impressive by taking the team on his back, those scrambles for the first downs. He tried to throw a block he’s becoming a leader and I’m really glad to see it.

by Cougz4Life509 on Oct 16, 2010 11:38 PM PDT reply actions  

the patch worked O-line

got beat a lot. Big time collapses off the tackle slots from both sides. But you gotta like the defense stepping up. The drops hurt the Cougs. Missed FG’s, dropped TD’s, a fumbled punt on the 6 yard line to open the half… they had chances but the element of execution was simply not there today.

I understand the idea behind the attempted flea flicker; Monty’s play, but w/ the O-line obviously not able to hold blocks I wonder about the judgement therein. The previous drive had been straight forward and effective. Why leave that ? I know 20-20 hindisght and all that, but the expectation that the sub tackles would hold that edge was flawed.

The slants and double crossing patterns w/ Simone low and Wilson high had good results. I often find myself wishing the Cougs would run the stuff that works until it gets stopped. Feels like they are out thinking themselves. The lob in the end zone to Wilson— I had to wonder why not to Kars- who has been so effective at that skill set?

Hoping we will see today’s defense and the offense from UCLA in the same game soon.

Go Cougs

If you can't Go Cougs... don't go.

by hollyweirdcoug on Oct 16, 2010 11:39 PM PDT reply actions  

For how close this game was, it seemed (at least to me sitting in the stands)

that we were never really in it. Even when we had momentum, Arizona just appeared to be a step ahead. Couple of things:
1. The RT #77 (idk who it was) was just getting beat the entire second half, and Tuel just seemed to be running for his life the entire game. I haven’t looked at the stats, but he was probably our leading rusher.
2. Before I say this, I want to say that I know that it really doesn’t matter and we weren’t going to win anyways at this point. But what the heck was with that drive in the last three minutes? You either go for the TD, or you just run out the clock. You don’t drive halfway down the field, almost get you QB’s knee mangled on what could have been a late hit, and then change your mind. The fact that we had 2 TO’s left and we chose not to use them really irked the crowd at the end.
3. Even though he’s getting hurried seemingly every play, Tuel still hangs in the pocket. Sometimes its for the better, and sometimes it isn’t but it’s good to see that he isn’t scared of it.

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by Coug999 on Oct 16, 2010 11:48 PM PDT reply actions  

4.

Maybe this is just me being a homer, but it didn’t seem like the referee gods were smiling upon us today, either.

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by Coug999 on Oct 16, 2010 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

we got a couple calls

the one where they upheld Solomon’s non-catch was probably the worst call of the year.

by BigWood! on Oct 17, 2010 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I see the injuries starting to take the toll.

Our OL is really banged up. Not have Jeffrey Solomon really hurts. He was becoming Tuel’s go to man. (Although, our banged up LB crew didn’t do to bad) One word for that, Kaufusi. I love our Cougs, but Blackledge has to make that catch. He was getting called out by Jeremy Bloom national television. That was a sure TD. Tuel could have thrown a better pass on his 1st INT, but if the ball is your area as a receiver I feel it should be caught, not tipped. This is D-1 football. Tuel can’t always make a perfect pass when he has 5 guys on top of him. I thought Isaiah Barton was going to have more of a impact this year, but I guess the jump to D-1 has been tough. When I don’t see Monty get around the corner on LBs I really miss Ricky Galvin. We need that around the end, edge, corner, whatever its called speed. We need a game changer to go along with Wilson. Galvin’s speed and quickness is missed more than we know it because we never got to enjoy it. I hate injuries!!! Injuries get old and really hurt a rebuilding program.

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by SoCalCoug on Oct 17, 2010 12:10 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree...

My biggest concern for the rest of the year is staying relatively healthy and this 11 game gauntlet we’re going through is brutal.

Personally, I’m mostly just hoping that we can continue to improve week in and week out while keeping the injuries to a minimum – If we can do those things, I really like our chances in the Apple Cup, and I kinda like our chances in at least one of the games before then.

But that injury situation is a bit scary…

by All Cougar all the time on Oct 17, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

If there was ever a week for a bye this is it we need it.

Instead we get the most physical team in the conference. sh*^

"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."

by kelly20210 on Oct 17, 2010 2:31 AM PDT reply actions  

I see possibly three victories in your remaining schedule. you may not take the pac ten but you can certainly disrupt it.

Launchpad

by Launchpad59 on Oct 17, 2010 2:42 AM PDT reply actions  

lets hope so

"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."

by kelly20210 on Oct 17, 2010 3:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

The whistle

On the trick play, I swear the whistle blew when the ball hit the turf indicating dead ball. The two cougs let up thinking incomplete pass. Az gets the ball then they review it without audio and rule backwards pass az ball &$:/’@@"*

I don’t have a DVR to rematch but am I correct? The play was whistled?

by CougarsRock on Oct 17, 2010 7:56 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

It may have been

But both Montgomery and Tuel knew that was a backwards pass. The play was designed as a lateral and there was no reason to not jump on that ball.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 17, 2010 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Your right

Was at the game, I heard a whistle for sure

We will call him Zatara.....sounds fearsome....It means driftwood.

by cfischer01 on Oct 17, 2010 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

DVR

I went back and the whistle clearly blew before Arizona got on the ball. Monty should have reacted but the play should have been called dead if I understand the rule correctly.

by BornCoug on Oct 17, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

New rule as of 2 years ago

If there is a turnover and immediate recovery it goes to the team that has the ball regardless of the whistle.

The “immediate recovery” is the rule change. I guess they took this from the NFL a couple of years ago.

by BornCoug on Oct 17, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK so here's what I think after I've had a day to think about it.

The offense has been playing well, but had a bit of an off night yesterday. Most of problems (at least I think) can be traced back to the line. They don’t block well enough to establish the run, and lots of times don’t give Tuel ample time to pass.

The defense overcame a pretty pourous first quarter and made some big stops in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. I can only dream of what it would have been like had Mizell been out there (has anyone figured out anything more on what was up with him?).

Over the past few weeks we’ve been talking about how “close counts” for this team, and I wholeheartedly agree. It’s nice to see a team go out there and at least be able to feel like they have a decent shot at a win. I mean, if it wasn’t for that flukey interception in the endzone, we would have had a 10 point game with 6 or 7 minutes left. So my question is this: at what point does close stop counting? We’ve seen what they’re capable of, and at some point they have to go out, play to their potential, and get a win. I’m not saying that today is the day, but at what point does it stop counting?

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by Coug999 on Oct 17, 2010 2:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Something I've been thinking about, too

But I don’t know the answer. They have to learn how to win, how to finish a game. They right on the edge, it seems, but they’re not quite there. It’s really easier said than done. For now, I’m content to sit back and watch them grow while still hoping it clicks all of a sudden. Really, they’re close.

Mizell just missed practice Wednesday and was suspended. I asked Kaufusi about it and he said he knew he’d be starting mid-week, so this wasn’t a snap decision. I really think this was a case of coming down hard on him now so he doesn’t fall off the wagon, if you will.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 17, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

They are beat up

The last 2 weeks everyone thought they would get blown out. They didn’t and although they still were beat pretty good they have shown progress. Now they are beat up and we will see what they do on the road against a very good Stanford team.

I am waiting out this year and have been waiting it out since I saw progress against SMU. I’m still waiting it out.

by BornCoug on Oct 17, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thats exactly where Im at

I don’t know when, but I do get the feeling its all going to click and its going to happen sometime soon, as long as the injuries don’t get to crippling levels.

For now, I’m in wait and see mode. The way they’re playing now, you never know.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 17, 2010 3:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

The good thing is...

We are dealing out big hits as well. Grippi made the point that they are holding their own in the best conference in the country. My big question is what would our record be like if we were in the big 12 or the big 10? I never felt like they were getting better durng the Doba years and those were very frustraiting b/c we never had the feeling that they were getting better. Under Wulf I feel like they are getting better every week. I had a good time at the game on Sat. If you are doubting, you need to head to Pullman and watch them live in full speed. This team is fun to watch!!!

We will call him Zatara.....sounds fearsome....It means driftwood.

by cfischer01 on Oct 17, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed...

Don’t just read the score/stats in the morning paper and expect to comprehend the steps this team has taken. Sitting in the stands lets you see how far and hard Tuel can throw the ball this year… it lets you hear the hits we’re laying, witness the new speed, etc… Yeah, it hasn’t fully come together yet. But if they can stay healthy, it’s not far off. Not to mention, this year has had some of the best football weather I’ve experienced on the Palouse. Every game has been greeted with blue skies, warm sunshine, and light winds. Here’s hoping that it changes drastically by Apple Cup.

by X-Capitan on Oct 17, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just to clarify

I’m not saying that close doesn’t count anymore. I’ve been to every home game in its entirety, and at least seen a piece of each away game, so I fully understand the steps that have been taken. I was just simply posing the question “at what point does it stop counting”.

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by Coug999 on Oct 17, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

What an uninspired perforamance that was

That was seriously one of the most boring football games I have had the pleasure attending in my life.

Neither team seemed all that interested in being there. It was almost like Arizona was just toying with us.

Of course our mistakes didn’t help either. I hope they don’t feed Sturdy for a week for that BS trick play call.

by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 18, 2010 8:45 AM PDT reply actions  

our first touchdown against USC was a trick play

and everyone loved Sturdy for it. Because it worked.

That play had a lot more to do with Montgomery not realizing that throwing the ball back to Tuel was a deathtrap than it was the initial playcall.

by BigWood! on Oct 18, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's also why a lot of coaches never use trick plays

It’s easy to expect QB to decide if it’s a good idea to throw the ball, but a running back who never has to make that decision …

Why is it that nobody is blaming the offensive lineman who completely whiffed on his block? I’d start by pointing the finger there.

by Jeff Nusser on Oct 18, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bingo

It was on Jacobsen at left tackle. He didn’t even get a hand on the backside end. If he did, that play goes for six.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 18, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Our O line was getting blown up all night!

But you somehow expect them to come through on a trick play?

by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 18, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, I did

Everyone else was blocked well. Jacobsen took the wrong assignment and allowed the end to come free. He took one step the wrong way and that was the difference between a touchdown for WSU and a fumble.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 18, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

because blaming the o-line is passe at this point?

i’m just assuming that all blame starts and ends there, so i’m finding different things to talk about.

by BigWood! on Oct 18, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

You could say that about every play

The blocking was flat out awful the whole game.

by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 18, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say the whole game

Yes, it was bad more than it was good, but there were a number of plays where Tuel took a coverage sack.

by Jeff Nusser on Oct 18, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Baed on how the offense was playing on Saturday

They were having a hard enough time executing normal play calls. Why blow the momentum and try something like that? It was poorly designed, poorly called, and poorly executed.

by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 18, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was well designed, well called, poorly executed.

Simone was WIDE open in the route. If the lineman gets a hand on the end, he’s gone.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 18, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

How was it well called?

We just made a huge stop on 4th down and got the ball back. Stick with what you know. This team is not good enough or mature enough to overcome a mistake of that magnitude.

The coaches get the blame for not even giving their team a chance on that play.

by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 18, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's the reason it was called

You have all the momentum in the world. As I said, the receiver in the pattern was open. It’s why you see coaches looking for a quick strike after a big turnover. Do that and it’s a whole different game.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 18, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

when we try to learn, fans are mad because we aren't winning

and when we try to win, fans are mad because we aren’t learning.

Coug fans!

by BigWood! on Oct 18, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The took away any chance of winning

It was a BS call and you know it. Stop trying to get under my skin.

If we were really trying to win, we wouldn’t have kicked a FG (which was missed) down by 21.

by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 18, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

if by getting under your skin, you mean poke holes in your tired argument

then yes, i’m sorry i got under your skin.

i’ve already defended the call. i’m mad it turned out the way it did, but the call itself wasn’t bad.

by BigWood! on Oct 18, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I forgot, you are never wrong

The call was awful. Flat out awful.

Our o line couldn’t block anything for our QB, so you want to put the play in the hands of the RB?

I probably wouldn’t be as mad if I had stayed home….

by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 18, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

i am actually wrong around 93% of the time. fact.

and yes, i am a bad fan for not going to the game. not sure what that has to do with this, though.

by BigWood! on Oct 18, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

It means nothing

But I am pissed that I drove over there to watch that poor performance by the coaching staff again, only to come home and find our fans happy with their performance because we are losing by less.

The record speaks for itself.

by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 18, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

who's happy?

this isn’t a black and white thing. just because i’m not livid that we lost to a top 15 team doesn’t mean i think we had a perfect day.

by BigWood! on Oct 18, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

We didn't

WSU shot themselves in the foot repeatedly on the execution side. That said, WSU shot themselves over and over, yet was still in the game. That says something.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 18, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heres the thing

We had a really good chance in this game. Who cares what their ranking is? We had our chances and they were blown, badly.

by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 18, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

And you blame the coaches?

The coaches didn’t drop a ball leading to an interception on the first series. The coaches didn’t drop a punt snap. The coaches didn’t tip a fade up in the air only to see it get picked.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 18, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am blaming everyone

No one had a good day on Saturday.

That being said, part of being the coach is taking the blame for everything that happens. You get the blame with the bad and the praise with the good. That is the job.

by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 18, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

isn't that kind of the point though?

last year if nobody had a good day we would’ve lost that game by 60.

last year they beat us 48-7. Their starters didn’t play the second half.

we were some turnovers away from beating that same team this year.

i know this game hurt our rose bowl chances, but there were SOME positives to be seen, big picture-wise.

by BigWood! on Oct 18, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Of course there are some

But that really doesn’t mean anything when your record is 1-6.

Based on your comment however, you think if you aren’t going 12-0 it doesn’t matter.

by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 18, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

i don't know if i'd go as far to say if you aren't going 12-0 it doesn't matter

but i know a lost season when i see one.

play the young guys; get them ready for next year. if we shock the world and win one? gravy.

by BigWood! on Oct 18, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

They're ran trick plays before

And I can tell you they drilled it all week in practice.

Why not be aggressive? What do they really have to lose down 14 at that point. If it works, he’s a genius. If it doesn’t he’s an idiot. I have no problem swinging for the fences at that point.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 18, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly!

Why make things harder on yourself by running a trick play?

by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 18, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Harder?

It wasn’t making things harder. They were seriously one block away from taking that play the distance.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 18, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

No they weren't

That play was closer to being Arizona TD than it was a WSU TD.

We never had a chance on it. Tuel was running for his life the whole second half, so why call that play and expect the O-Line to do their jobs?

I am done arguing this, obviously we are never going to see eye to eye.

by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 18, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

so here's your chance, coach

our base offense wasn’t getting anywhere. you don’t want to try and fool them. what do you do?

by BigWood! on Oct 18, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

They were getting open looks downfield

All night long.

At least Tuel has a chance in that situation,

by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 18, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

our best play call of the night

was let Tuel scramble for his life.

When exactly were you hoping one of these open looks would actually come to fruition?

by BigWood! on Oct 18, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

They really weren't

Arizona was rushing four, getting pressure and not allowing Tuel to get the ball downfield. Add that to the fact that our outside receivers (Karstetter and Wilson) were bracketed most of the night because Arizona could drop seven, and you’ll see that WSU had to work for every yard and every drive.

So they used a trick play to swing the game around and catch Arizona. Again, the route was open.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 18, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lets just remember

Snapping issues + poor blocking from the line = wrong time to call a trick play.

But I guess I am wrong!

by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 18, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wrong time to call a trick play?

When nothing else it working, why NOT try some trickery?

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by Coug999 on Oct 18, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

If this is the requirement...
Snapping issues + poor blocking from the line = wrong time to call a trick play.

the Cougs would never call a trick play at any time this season.

In the big picture, it’s probably a better leaning moment by trying the trick play. It shows confidence in the players and it’s something they can work on in the future.

Or they could have just run it into the line for no gain.

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by Matt Gardner on Oct 18, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

the other thing people are forgetting

was Tuel had a very poor 2 1/2 quarters of football before waking up.

by BigWood! on Oct 18, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually that play HELPS Tuel avoid getting killed

If Jacobson had even touched the end, and I mean AT ALL, that play goes for 6. Sitting Tuel in the pocket when they were getting massive pressure with 4 and dropping 7 (the perfect pass defense) to get murdered obviously wasn’t working, and Jacobson at LT was obviously struggling to keep their talented DE’s out of the backfield, and likely struggled with the play calling and his responsibilities. When I was a HS soph I had to move from guard to tackle because of an injury, and it is a very rough transition to make mid game.

Anyways, get Tuel out of the picture and draw the defense to Monty, and have him sling it back and Tuel goes deep for 6. I thought the play was well designed, it didn’t scream trick play from the snap and it had them fooled. Argue all you want about the call, but something had to be done to spark this offense and get the game close. Hit them with the big play, score, manage a stop and we are heading down the field for the tying score. It sucks that it turned out the way it did, but if Monty had just lobbed that ball a little higher over the DE then even you, B-Lot, would be calling Wulff a genius for seizing the momentum and taking it to them.

by Fightfightfight on Oct 18, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Instead, its just an IF

Who cares what anyone would have said? If I would have won the lottery I woulda paid Nick Saban to come to WSU.

If I was older I could have gotten in on Microsoft….

You can play that game all night long.

by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 19, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's the thing about trick plays.

When they miss, they miss badly. And if we expect to have a fighting chance against a ranked team, we are going to have to reach into that bag of tricks. I liked the call, and it was just killed by a bad no block by Jacobson and decision by Montgomery.

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by Coug999 on Oct 18, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Since the thread has gotten insanely long and it's tough to follow the discussion

I’ll go ahead and go on record as one who more or less agrees with B-Lot. We had actually moved the ball effectively the previous two drives. Didn’t seem to me like that play call was necessary there — too much potential for things to go sideways when things were already turned in our direction.

But, hindsight is 20/20, of course. I do understand the argument for doing it there, and do think it’s a strong one. I just would rather have the ball in the hands of a guy that I trust to throw the ball. Montgomery is not that guy.

by Jeff Nusser on Oct 18, 2010 2:04 PM PDT reply actions  

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