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Is This The Week WSU Takes A Step Back?

For pretty much all of this season, I've been waiting for the other shoe to drop. I mean, when you combine what has happened the last two years with the fact that we are, after all, Cougs ... well, I'm sure most of you understand exactly where I'm coming from.

As we've repeated ad nauseaum for the past three months, the goal coming into this season was improvement. And it can hardly be argued that this team is improved over where it was at this point last year. Don't believe me? Believe the guys who have coached against the Cougs. Cougfan.com built an entire story around Oregon coach Chip Kelly's opinion of the rebuilding job (it's premium, but it's positive). And Mike Stoops said some things on Saturday that we all can agree are not the sorts of things you generally hear out of Mike Stoops:

"Washington State is better all the way through. Their souls are just deeper. They compete better. It seems to me they are turning a corner and shrinking the field. We started (our) process six years ago and, with the schedule they play, it's hard, but they compete."

I know you have to take the things coaches say with a little bit of a grain of salt, since they're all in that so-called fraternity where they more or less want each other to do well so that they all can stay gainfully employed. (Although, not always.) But what they're saying backs up what we've seen via the eyeball test on Saturdays: WSU is tougher and more athletic, and the Cougs are competing for longer against some dang stiff competition. 

Beyond that, one of the things that has absolutely impressed me the most about this team is that it has gotten better every week. Most young teams have pretty extreme ups and downs, usually from game to game. But when you look at each of the Cougs' games, you can make a compelling case that it was an improvement over the previous week's performance. 

Sure, Oklahoma State was far worse than any of us expected. But Montana State -- no matter how you felt about how the Cougs got there -- was better, if only marginally. SMU? Better than that. Maybe you could complain about USC, but I'd argue that the strides made by the offense was a net positive. UCLA was clearly better than that, and hanging with the No. 3 (now No. 1) team in the country into the fourth quarter was a great success. Even this past game, with all the offensive mistakes and struggles, represented a significant step forward on defense.

It's been pretty amazing, as this sort of thing doesn't happen with teams real often -- especially young ones. Yet I fear that it's not likely to continue. At least this week.

I see a number of troubling signs as the Cougs prepare to roll into Palo Alto for a matchup with No. 12 Stanford. 

Star-divide

This will be the third consecutive matchup for WSU against teams currently ranked in the top 15. That they've been able to play Oregon and Arizona so tough -- not perfect, but tough -- is a testament to the preparation of the players and the coaching staff. But it's rare that any team can stay up for every game of a three-game gauntlet such as this, and with the first two coming at home, one has to wonder if this is the one where the Cougs lose a little focus and it truly blows up on them.

It won't help that WSU won't be coming into the game with a full complement of players. Starting left tackle David Gonzales is done for the year. Starting right tackle Micah Hannam might or might not be back from a concussion. Hannam isn't the greatest tackle -- a time share with a true freshman should lead you to that conclusion fairly easily -- but for a team that's shown increasing difficulty keeping Jeff Tuel from getting killed, Hannam is needed.

On defense, C.J. Mizell is supposed to be back, but who knows. Promising young corner Damante Horton is out until perhaps the Apple Cup. Alex Hoffman-Ellis and Mike Ledgerwood are still banged up. (No matter what you think of them, you can hardly argue we need linebacker depth.) Heck, even the greatest punter ever to walk the face of the earth flashed his mortality this past weekend.

I might not consider this as big of a deal if WSU wasn't getting ready to play perhaps the most physically punishing team in the conference. These young Cougs will get punched in the mouth as they haven't all season long. Are they ready for it? Will they bow their backs and hit back, as hey have the last two weeks? Or will they finally wilt against a much more physically mature team? The only two teams WSU has played that resemble Stanford were USC and Oklahoma State.

So ... yeah.

Look, I want to believe that these guys can keep moving forward. But I can't help but wonder if we're not just asking for too much for these guys to be competitive three consecutive weeks against three very good teams -- especially when you consider these additional circumstances.

If this team can somehow figure out a way to hang with the Cardinal? Well, let's just say I won't be shocked, because this team has continually surprised me this year. But I'll be incredibly impressed.

I'm just bracing myself for the worst.

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Don't worry about Reid.

He will undoubtedly detach his bum arm and regrow a new one in less than a day.

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by Coug999 on Oct 18, 2010 9:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Our "Souls are deeper"?

What the hell does that even mean?

Cougar Football 2010: *FOCUSTENSITY!*
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by GoCougs on Oct 18, 2010 9:16 PM PDT reply actions  

I have been thinking about this game all year.

It is the game that has worried me the most. They are taking on arguably the best QB in the country. He can run, pass and deliver a hit, just ask USC. They are a well balanced, tough team. I still can’t believe they lost to Oregon after the way they opened that game. They punch the Ducks right in the mouth (in Eugene on National Television), but give credit to the Ducks they rallied. I think this will be a good measuring stick. It will be a little bit of a homecoming for some of our players.

"I've choked bigger men than you! Goulet!" Robert Goulet aka Will Ferrell

by SoCalCoug on Oct 18, 2010 9:26 PM PDT reply actions  

All great points Jeff.

If we keep it close or relatively so it will be because we have simply learned how to compete for an entire game. Doesn’t mean we play well for all four quarters but the last few weeks I have seen a young team that has learned how to fight despite the bad breaks. Also we would all say Stanford was better last year and we are better this year so with the game on the road expect a similar score to last years game but possibly more points for us. Maybe like 35 to 20 Stanford. Hopefully we keep it competitive!

by Cougars Hunt and Kill on Oct 18, 2010 9:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I hope so as well,

but I feel this will be one of the most physical teams we play this year. USC matched up well with them, so I expect a game similar to USC but Stanford will probably pass more than USC. Also, Luck can scramble better than Barkley. This is a QB that scares me. Athletic like Locker, but has accuracy unlike Locker. Luck may be the number one overall in the draft next year.

"I've choked bigger men than you! Goulet!" Robert Goulet aka Will Ferrell

by SoCalCoug on Oct 18, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes!

Well… Kind of… Fox College Sports… Unless they decide to show a woman’s rugby game or something…

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by GoCougs on Oct 18, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm kind of feeling the same way.

We have certainly been playing pretty well the lest few weeks, but it does seem like this is a prime game for a step backwards. Our depth chart is starting to show its thinness, and our players must have been playing with a huge amount of emotion and adrenaline to keep up with these much deeper teams. So do we see a team come out and look depleated physically and mentally? Or will we see CPW and co pull another rabbit out?
Who knows.
Even if they get blown out, injuries are the thing I will be focusing on. This is the point of the season where we can not afford injuries, especially to our main man, Tuel. If the same team that put a scare into UO can come out against ASU, OSU, Cal and UW, some of those games start to look pretty winnable.

by Ben Wentz on Oct 18, 2010 9:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Nothing

we already played there this year.

by spencer peaty on Oct 18, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's the bad part about this conference alignment

It DRASTICALLY lowers our chances of playing in the Rose Bowl in a given year.

Cougar Football 2010: *FOCUSTENSITY!*
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by GoCougs on Oct 18, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was talking about it in the way that we played in the Rose Bowl this year

Not in the way that Pac-10 champions play in the Rose Bowl. I realize that expansion put us in a good position to win a championship… in the future.

Cougar Football 2010: *FOCUSTENSITY!*
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by GoCougs on Oct 18, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

My parents stayed there over Dad's Weekend

It’s cheap, but It’s no frills. It is literally like staying in a dorm room, complete with the hard beds and small space. There’s no TV or anything in the room, but you do get passes to the Rec Center and breakfast at Southside. It would be fine to stay at, as long as you know what you’re getting and are ready for it.

Cougar Football 2010: *FOCUSTENSITY!*
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by GoCougs on Oct 19, 2010 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Injuries are going to hurt us,

and I would like to nominate myself for Captain Obvious. Losing Gonzales is a big loss, and makes getting Hannam back that more important. Maybe a line of Hannam at LT, Wade at LG, Williams at C, Guerra at RG and Fullington at RT will keep guys off Tuel for more than 2 seconds, but I have my doubts and another injury cannot be sustained. We could really use Solomon back too, but that is not going to happen this week and hopefully Simone can pick up the slack.

Defensively, it looks like Hamlett, Hoffart and Coerper look to be on their way back which will help keep our DL fresh against the mammoth Furd OL. AHE and Ledge could play, but I’m hoping Ledge doesn’t and AHE only in the nickle or obvious passing downs. Mizell should play, he isn’t hurt and was punished for missing a practice, a mistake he shouldn’t make again. Horton is a good yound corner, but he is hardly our best and while losing him hurts, it is not a crippling loss.

If I’m Wulff, I am looking at a lot of 11 personnel with the TE to help our tackles with a chip and a release into the flat for a safety valve. Still gets 3 guys down the field and hopefully helps our running game a little bit. If we can keep them off Tuel for most of the game, I think we should be able to move the ball with some consistency.

Defensively, we can’t let Luck go all Andrew Luck on us. We have to find a way to produce consistent pressure without sending the house. I do not think the DB blitzes will be as effective against Furd, as Luck has the ability to diagnose that pre-snap and hit the hole the DB vacated.

49-21 Furd

by Fightfightfight on Oct 18, 2010 9:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I could be wrong, but I swear

I haven’t seen a TE make a catch this year. Does one pass to Lintz count? That is strange.

"I've choked bigger men than you! Goulet!" Robert Goulet aka Will Ferrell

by SoCalCoug on Oct 18, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

look out injuries!!!

This is the week to save JEFF TUEL. That is the only thing worth talking about this week. Just get through this game with a healthy Tuel. Anything more than that will be icing on this difficult cake.

by BeaconHillCoug on Oct 18, 2010 10:03 PM PDT reply actions  

I think the cougs can compete in this one.

All year our offense has been our strength. This game our D was our real strength. Only giving up 3 td’s all game long (one touchdown coming one play after a fumbled punt inside the 10). It is true their start qb was hurt but overall their team threw 20-27 with a back up in that could scramble. Overall our D stepped up and forced 5 punts and stopped them twice on downs. We also ONLY forced one turnover all game which was with 11 seconds left in the half where it was useless for our offense (although we did stop them from scoring any points). As my former defensive coordinator (who was a coordinator in the nfl before he helped coach and is now coaching with the 49ers) used to say, first stop the run, limit big plays, and force two takeaways every game. If the cougs could do that we could be a good team the way our offense has been playing lately.
On the offense side we definitely had a lot of mistakes. From the terrible snaps all game long to the dropped balls and tipped catches leading to interceptions. If we can look the ball into our hands and take the hit we can put a lot more points on the board in the future. Even the small mistake with the trick play leading to a turnover or the blocked punt, if we limit our mental mistakes we can play.
Overall I think we just need to string the offense and defense together. If we get a game were both sides of the ball can perform I think we will win that game. It is just a matter of time before that happens! Go cougs!

by CougGuy86 on Oct 18, 2010 10:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Sorry

I meant to break this big chunk into 3 pieces, Defense, Offense, and a short closing.

by CougGuy86 on Oct 18, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Spitz's move to O Tackle

may indeed come in handy… might be needing that big body in the final 3 games. Staves off burning the intended RS’s on the O-line. Pencer’s mono has created unexpected difficulties up front.

Rankin, Wolfgramm and the DT by committee are in for a tough week- Beeler is a very athletic center-Phillips is a 3 year starter at guard and Hall is a 2 year starter at tackle; some are saying DeCastro will get PAC honors… whoever plays MLB will be eating a Beeler lead block a lot on Saturday. That’s how Ledge got all beat up- he had a roaming guard or center in his grill all day vs. UCLA. Yeesh, long day ahead in the middle gaps.

If you can't Go Cougs... don't go.

by hollyweirdcoug on Oct 19, 2010 2:22 AM PDT reply actions  

The good news is that Rankin has been playing like a beast

And this has helped Wolfgramm be more effective. I’ve got a post on this later this week, since I didn’t get to it last week.

by Jeff Nusser on Oct 19, 2010 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

He already redshirted.

92 spitz dan Spitz, Dan 4 RS SO 78 6-6/279 Defensive Tackle Spokane, Wash. – Mead

http://www.wsucougars.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/wast-m-footbl-mtt.html

by selahcoug on Oct 19, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whoopsidoodle.

You’re right. My bad. In that case, I suppose he could be pressed into action — my understanding is that he’s allowed to practice during the suspension. I think?

by Jeff Nusser on Oct 19, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I haven't seen him

I believe the bigger issue is his knee. I thought I’d seen a while ago — and someone else said it yesterday — that he had knee surgery and was shut down for the year.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 19, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

You are correct

But it’s not his knee:

Offensive tackle Dan Spitz, suspended until November after failing a NCAA-mandated drug test last year, had surgery on his shoulder this week and will not play at all this season. Spitz injured the labrum in fall camp and it never healed completely. It was decided to clean it up and get him ready for next year.

Linky.

by Jeff Nusser on Oct 19, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

They would be...

If I was searching the right term. Dan Spitz knee obviously didn’t do the trick.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 19, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ha!

I just went to Vince’s blog, searched it for Spitz, and BINGO.

by Jeff Nusser on Oct 19, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

D'oh

That would’ve been easier than trying the shotgun approach on Google.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 19, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

thank you Nuss

that tidbit of yet more injury news had slipped by me. I liked his game last year- he was inexperienced and undersized at DT but had a lot of fight and battled until the whistle. His length and speed are what the ‘ideal’ O-lineman that Wulff discussed when he got hired. He prefers them long and fast.

If you can't Go Cougs... don't go.

by hollyweirdcoug on Oct 19, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Had not heard that

That is too bad, I thought bringing him in for the last three games would be good for the depth at O or D line. Makes both lines even thinner and lacking a bye hurt even more.

by selahcoug on Oct 19, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good question.

The O’line is looking really depleated right now and the D’line is a Brandon Rankin injury away from being a disaster. They really need Pencer to get healthy.

by selahcoug on Oct 19, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just want to point out

Both Stoops and Kelly are pricks, so I take what they have to say about the Cougars with more than a grain of salt.

I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

by HitKing69 on Oct 19, 2010 6:06 AM PDT reply actions  

I disagree about Kelly

But even if you feel that way, what motivation would a “prick” have for being nice?

by Jeff Nusser on Oct 19, 2010 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

They have no motivation. That's why I appreciate what they say.

I suppose my characterization of Kelly has more to do with his coaching style, but I stand by my Stoops assessment.

I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

by HitKing69 on Oct 20, 2010 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Stoops got the hard lesson

of PAC 10 reality. It is a friggin’ war zone over here. Rarely does any team get out alive (undefeated) and thus the national title stuff is not available to our teams. Stoops announced he would have things in AZ turned around in 2 years when he got hired and made many comments that indicated he felt the Big 12 was far deeper. Then,he played games… 5 years later he had a bowl team, and this year his team is good again. He now talks about the PAC 10 as incredibly difficult- and he had his head on the chopping block at year three.

As to Kelly’s comments- what is grain of salt worthy? Had Wilson snagged the post pattern that was surely six- it would have been 36-30 late in the game with serious momentum. A scenario we Cougs would have loved a chance to watch. Kelly knew he had been in a fight and said so. He spoke glowingly of the growth of Tuel in the post game also… is this not the game I watched and the player I have seen get better and batter at QB for WSU? A couple of coaches with winning teams and veteran rosters are saying nice things about our team— it is a good thing. Might not match the ’let’s hate everything cuz we lost mentality of many Coug fans right now- but it does sync with the theme of clear improvement in Coug play.

If you can't Go Cougs... don't go.

by hollyweirdcoug on Oct 19, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree on the step back

I thought this game was going to be really difficult before. Now with a patch work O-line, it may be brutal. Grippi’s article says they have Fullington running at Left Tackle. I am not liking this one bit and I really hope Tuel does not suffer for it and get injured. Fullington may one day be a very good LT, but he is definitely not there yet. I see him getting beat constantly on the Right side and moving him to Tuel’s blind side seems like a very bad idea to me. I really hope they can avoid any more injuries as the remaining games after this are the ones that look to be winnable, as long as they aren’t too banged up.

by selahcoug on Oct 19, 2010 7:37 AM PDT reply actions  

response to recent article

Of course Stoops and Kelly are going to be complimentary to Coach Wulff. They’d love to keep coaching against him for many years; we are like a free space in a bingo game. Who wouldn’t have wanted the UW to keep Ty?
—I really like this website;; you don’t drink the Pollyanna Koolaid like the major fan site. We keep hearing how “inexperienced” we are from Wulff. We aren’t all that inexperienced; the real problem is that the seniors and juniors we start aren’t very good.
I’d like to know why we didn’t run a 2 minute drill at the end of the UA game; we didn’t even use our TOs, and ran the ball. We just gave up. With about 9 minutes left, trailing 24-7, we were strolling up to the LOS, and letting the clock run under 10 seconds on most plays. where was the urgency to get the play off? That’s on the coaching, and it pisses me off.

by bpcoug53 on Oct 19, 2010 9:15 AM PDT reply actions  

I understand your frustration

But I think there’s something to be said for not exposing your QB to more hits in a game that’s decided. I can see both sides.

by Jeff Nusser on Oct 19, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

this is simply not accurate

the Cougars are vastly inexperienced and any notion that claims otherwise is not factual. No team in our conference starts anywhere near the 1st year starters the Cogs do. It isn’t even close. A juco junior is still playing his first Div I games- and a juco senior is on his second year. While on paper it says junior and senior, it is vastly different than the 3 seniors on Stanfords O-line w/ minimum 2 seasons started, and even their 2 sophs are RS who started last year. We played Oregon and Arizona without a single upper class man in the secondary. There are 6 actual 4 year system seniors on the roster in the position players… the fallacy that the Cougs have the experience on the team but just not the ability is simply incorrect.

If you can't Go Cougs... don't go.

by hollyweirdcoug on Oct 19, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Progress

Stanford will be tough, but the Cougs have hurt QBs in consecutive games against good teams. Of course, hurting QBs isn’t the goal, but I think that it reflects a big change in the level of competitiveness of the team. Playing the Cougs is no longer a walk in the park, and that kind of progress builds on itself.

Wulff’s first recruiting classes were mostly made up of leftovers, guys that might belong in the Pac 10, but none of whom are game breakers. That’s changing, and having a QB like Tuel will make recruiting easier. The Pac 10 is ridiculously tough right now, but the Cougs will be back sooner than later.

by finnster on Oct 19, 2010 11:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Already conceding?

UCLA was overhyped, but Stanford is easily the most overrated team in the PAC 10. Their schedule has been easy. If you watched both the UCLA and ND games, it’s hard to be impressed with their offense an their “physicality” is a myth perpetuated by the image of their head coach and a tendency to roll out packages that have 4 OTs on the field at the same time. This is a team that has been handed a ton of breaks this year and should expect a regression to the mean. I, in fact, expect this game to be close. If they blow you out, I may change my opinion on them.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.

by Gekko Mojo on Oct 19, 2010 6:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Not really conceding.

Just trying to point out that there are a lot of factors working against the team in this one and I won’t take it real hard if they do roll out a real stinker for the first time in a while.

by Jeff Nusser on Oct 19, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

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