Pac-12 Announces Divisions, Revenue Sharing Today; Watch It Live Here
by Jeff Nusser on Oct 21, 2010 9:30 AM PDT
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PrintWell, after months of speculation, the day is finally upon us: At 11:30 a.m. PDT, Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott will announce to the world just how it is that this newfangled Pac-12 will be divided up for football and just how these 12 institutions plan to play nice with all the piles of money they figure to be rolling in over the coming decades.
You can watch the press conference live (if you're interested in this sort of thing) via the embedded Ustream channel below:
Given that the presidents/chancellors are meeting this morning to hammer out the details and Scott has already scheduled the press conference to announce it, we can expect that the important details have already been worked out. Culled from various reports, here's what we expect to hear:
- The football divisions will be WSU, UW, Oregon, Oregon State, Cal and Stanford in the north; USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah in the south. There will not be divisions for the other sports.
- The conference will no longer use an appearance-based revenue sharing model. The revenue will be shared almost equally right away, with USC and UCLA each receiving $2 million more each year than everyone else until a threshold of total revenue for the conference is reached, then everyone shares equally. (Confused? Think of it this way: They're going to divide the pot 12 ways, but everyone not named USC and UCLA is going to give up $400,000 of their share, and that will go to the Trojans and Bruins. $4 million doesn't seem like all that much when you think of it that way.) The threshold, by the way, should be reached in the next couple of years, I would guess.
- The first football conference championship game will be played at the home field of the team with the better conference record, but that other options (such as a neutral site) will continue to be explored.
That's about it, at least in terms of the stuff that's important to you and I. Feel free to use this as an open discussion thread during the press conference and after.
On to the links!
WSU Football News
WSU a day closer to Stanford - SportsLink - Spokesman.com - Oct. 20, 2010
There are a lot of reasons why coach Paul Wulff decided to skip the pads the past couple days, from injuries to a desire to have fresh bodies for Saturday. That will end on Thursday, though, as the Cougars will wearing some pads and do some hitting in their last Pullman workout before heading to Northern California.
There's more to Sekope Kaufusi than hair - Spokesman.com - Oct. 20, 2010
It shouldn’t be surprising. At 6-foot-3 and 233-pounds, he’s the size of a full-grown man. What is surprising is he has full-grown responsibilities off the field as well. He and girlfriend Sui Sami live together with their year-old son, Ziggy Atagi-Kaufusi, born in June, 2009, just before Sekope left for his freshman year at WSU.
Local News | Pick Six: Teams with brutal schedules | Seattle Times Newspaper
Some teams are simply doomed from the start, stuck with schedules that give them no hope of having a good seasons. (WSU is on the list.)
WSU Football Friday on Thursday - Stanford Cardinal Edition - WSU Football Blog
WSU Basketball News
Cougar Basketball to Hold Crimson and Gray Scrimmage - WASHINGTON STATE OFFICIAL ATHLETIC SITE
The Washington State University men's basketball team will give its fans another preview of the 2010-11 squad at its Crimson and Gray Scrimmage, Friday, Oct. 29 at 7 p.m. at Bohler Gym. Admission is free of charge and doors open at 6 p.m.
Men's Basketball Adds to Television Schedule - WASHINGTON STATE OFFICIAL ATHLETIC SITE
Fox Sports Net Northwest has picked up the Nov. 23 meeting against Portland, as part of the Cougar Hardwood Classic at KeyArena in Seattle. The game will serve as the Cougars' television debut of the 2010-11 season. FSN Northwest will also televise five of WSU's Pacific-10 Conference games. The Cougars will be seen regionally when they travel to USC (Dec. 31), Oregon State (Feb. 5) and Arizona State (Feb. 19). Home contests against Oregon (Jan. 8) and Arizona (Jan. 22) were also added to this year's TV schedule and will be seen on FSN NW.
Pac-10 News
What to watch in the Pac-10: Week 8 - Pac-10 Blog - ESPN
Cougs D-line vs. Stanford O-line: Stanford has the most physical offensive line in the conference. The Cougars front seven showed some signs of improvement against a good Arizona O-line, but they still rank 119th in the nation in run defense. If you can't stop the run versus Stanford, well, suffice it to say, you are in big trouble, because Jim Harbaugh loves to be cruel -- which means running power at you over and over again until you wilt. You know, like he did to USC last year.
Pac-10 predictions: Week 8 - Pac-10 Blog - ESPN
Stanford 45, Washington State 27: The Cougars defense just isn't built to stop the Cardinal. And Jeff Tuel and company aren't going to outscore them.
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"The first football conference championship game will be played at the home field of the conference champ"
what does that mean? does larry scott have access to a flux capacitor or something else that bends the time-space continuum?
I thought the same thing.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 21, 2010 9:28 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Also...
How hilarious would it be if everyone had to come to Pullman for the championship game?
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by Craig Powers on Oct 21, 2010 9:29 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That would be the last conference title game at the site of a division champion
Guarantee the next year they’d put it at a neutral site.
Joe Albi Stadium, anyone?
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
Not hilarious ... AWESOME!
AWESOME! AWESOME! AWESOME!
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
Larry Scott having the power to bend time
Might be one of the least amazing of his abilities. He is like Neo from the matrix, he makes impossible things happen and makes me question my reality.
I mean, one day in the future
I might be able to watch all major Cougar sports in HD with knowledgable commentators. How can this be possible?
speaking of knowledgable commentators
I actually agreed with Tim McCarver last night for the first time in my life. the end must be near
Brian Davis returns and Pac 12 signs with ESPN?
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Cougar Football 2010: *FOCUSTENSITY!*
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Brian Davis is Oklahoma's problem, now
i’m pretty sure that was part of the Sonics settlement that they had to take him.
Pro and con list of the Sonic move
Pro:
Brian Davis is gone
Con:
Everything else
Cougar Football 2010: *FOCUSTENSITY!*
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You know you're obsessed with college sports when...
You’re sitting in the CUE between classes, waiting for a press conference to start…
That’d be me.
-Brett G.
-Daily Evergreen Staff Sports Writer
by Brett the 49er on Oct 21, 2010 11:03 AM PDT reply actions
How is the CUE?
I worked in the writing center when they moved from Avery Attic to the CUE. Really enjoyed that place. God I miss Pullman!
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
Any mobile friendly video or audio?
Just a shot in the dark…
by spencer peaty on Oct 21, 2010 11:18 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I'm not sure
That stream may work for a mobile device. Haven’t seen any others.
by Brian Floyd on Oct 21, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
The space where the player is
Is blank on my iPhone.
by spencer peaty on Oct 21, 2010 11:26 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Aha!
Lack of flash on the iPhone kills you on the website. But yeah, what Jeff said.
by Brian Floyd on Oct 21, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Nothing new, everything we have heard before.
The 5-2-2 is a reality so the NW schools get a bit of a shaft there.
Championship games at home of highest seed.
They'll play in the bay area every other year
That’s good enough for me.
by Jeff Nusser on Oct 21, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
much better than being with all the new teams and having all Cali schools in the other division. The Revenue sharing will help.
Agreed. Somewhere Moos is doing this.
by Mark Sandritter on Oct 21, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 18 recs
Is there a Super Rec button?
"A bad day at the track is better than a good day at the office."
by Matt Gardner on Oct 21, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Missing someone...
Floyd? Wulff? Who is it?
by well you win some and lose others on Oct 21, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the most underrated part of the entire thing is the guy slowly squatting with a stack of bills on his head.
That’s like balancing a book, man. Posture.
by Kyle Rancourt on Oct 21, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
wow, i can see San Diego State U, being a popular team to be scheduled by the North Division
on the year they are not scheduled to go down to either UCLA or USC
by ximiankernel on Oct 21, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Having Sterk at SDSU
probably helps us a little … you think?
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
NW schools will play in LA every year and play an LA school every year.
It’s not terrible.
by Brian Floyd on Oct 21, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he means
Two NW schools will play in LA every year and two will host an LA team. So every year WSU will play either UCLA or USC. One year at home, one year on the road. So they play in LA every other year.
Actually isn't it two out of three years?
Year 1: UCLa at home
Year 2: @UCLA, vs. USC
Year 3: @USC
Repeat
There were horses and a man on fire and I killed a guy with a trident -- Brick Tamland
USC and UCLA
Have a 5-2-2 so
5 division schools
2 Bay area schools.
2 NW schools (each)
So if they devide it up, every NW school plays a LA school every year.
NW schools basically have a 5-1-3.
5 Division schools
1 LA school
3 of the MountainZona schools.
Oh ok
ya I didn’t catch the 5-2-2 was a reality
There were horses and a man on fire and I killed a guy with a trident -- Brick Tamland
So we will have
Cal, Stanford, UO, OSU, and UW every year
USC one year and then UCLA the next (in LA every other year)
Three of ASU, UA, Utah, or Colorado
Is this correct?
Sorry I was in a lab so I’m a little late to the party.
There were horses and a man on fire and I killed a guy with a trident -- Brick Tamland
I thought it sounded like
we played both SoCal schools in a given year then have a year off. So both Washington schools would play SoCal and either the AZ or mountain schools one year and the next they would only play the AZ and mountain schools while OR schools got to play the SoCal schools.
The same would be true with the AZ and mountain schools with the NoCal schools.
Am I just way off base here?
I don't think it was specified.
But it sounded like it was implied that you’d play an LA school every year.
I am confused
Larry Scott just said they would play them every other year.
by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 21, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
No.
He said a trip to LA every other year. He said they would host an LA school in other years.
by Jeff Nusser on Oct 21, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is not what Brian said
But I think he made a mistake.
by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 21, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
No, he got it right
Just weirdly worded. We will play either USC or UCLA every year. We will play one of them in LA every other year.
by Jeff Nusser on Oct 21, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok, so they are splitting that pair up
That makes sense.
by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 21, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure we're the only ones who see it this way.
BUT I DON’T CARE.
by Jeff Nusser on Oct 21, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Am I the only one who is sad
That we will no longer be going to Tempe every other year?
My favorite road trip by far, make it every time.
by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 21, 2010 12:29 PM PDT reply actions
Tuscon isn't much further
We’ll still play at an Arizona school every other year, and they’re pretty close.
by johnnycougar on Oct 21, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Tucson blows
I went there last year in hopes of a Tempe substitute, I was very disappointed. I won’t be going back there again until the Cougs are good, and even that might be pushing it.
by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 21, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm trying to make it to all the Pac-10(12) stadiums eventually
What is it that you like about Tempe?
Well, IMO
Easier and cheaper to get to, better stadium, better fans, better bar/town scene. And no T-Locs.
by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 21, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
We will play ASU 3 out of every 4 years.
So in an 8 year period, we will play at Tempe 3 times instead of 4. Is this horrible?
by spencer peaty on Oct 21, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope
But its still not as good as 4 out of 8. =)
by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 21, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
If I remember right...
Didn’t Wulff have more connections in Northern California than in Southern California since he was from there and he touted those connections there when he was hired. So….as long as Wulff is our coach at least….this might be the best of both worlds for WSU. We get a boat load of more money through revenue sharing and we still get a good presence in Northern California where Wulff has great connections already.
Yes, Bay Area seems to be more important to this coaching staff
But SoCal was more important to Price. I think it depends on the coach.
by Jeff Nusser on Oct 21, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I've been thinking the same thing
The Bay Area is a huge recruiting area. Just the Bay alone has 9 million plus people, then you include Sacramento and locations in between … De La Salle anyone? Then, they have a strong Junior College football league. San Francisco City College, Skyline, San Mateo, De Anza, etc.
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
I'm excited about Cal and Stanford being in our division
First, for selfish reasons, I lived in the Bay Area for 5 years and my wife is from San Jose. I expect to visit often. Second, the reasons I mentioned before. Third, I hate LA.
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
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by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 22, 2010 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions
No, no, no, a million times, no
La Foret in Old Almaden, Capers, Morton’s … to name a few, are considerably better.
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
The reduction of trips to LA should be easily offset by a better TV deal.
What’s the better recruiting pitch?
Pitch A: “If you come to Oregon, you’re going to play 4 games in LA during your career and your family will get to see you on TV ~ 40% of the time! Depending, of course, on time slots and whether or not FSN decides to show Big 10 softball instead.”
Pitch B: “If you come to Oregon, you’re going to play 2 (possibly 3) games in LA during your career and your family will get to see you on TV ~ 90% of the time!”
by Mark Sandritter on Oct 21, 2010 12:44 PM PDT reply actions
Don't feel bad
Honestly, I was thinking the same thing.
by Jeff Nusser on Oct 21, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I love the timing of this presser
With the ESPN game tonight a Pac 10 match up, there will be plenty of coverage of all this news tonight in front of a national audience.
by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 21, 2010 12:55 PM PDT reply actions
It Will Have to Do
Overall, it sounds pretty fair. Not a huge fan of having the conference title game being played at the home stadium of the top seeded division winner. It is not really fair for the players or the fans of the lower seeded team. The players won their division and should have an opportunity to play a post season game at a neutral site, and the fans of the second seeded team should have the opportunity to travel too and experience for what could be for some set of fans once-in-the-life time conference title game. If the home team fans take all the seats, the second seeded team’s fans may never get the chance to see their team play in the game. For certain teams this may not be a big deal because they are likely to appear in numerous conference title games; however, some teams say like Washington State, who is not likely to appear in all that many conference title games, the league is really doing these fans and players a disservice by making it almost impossible for them to see their team play in person. There is not much more exciting or creates life long memories than traveling to a neutral site and watching your team play in a big bowl game or in this case a conference title game. The PAC 12 is really doing their fans a disservice by scheduling the conference title game on campus.
I really don't expect this format to last
More than a few seasons.
by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 21, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
you have a 1 in 6 shot of playing in the conference title game
this is hardly a “once in a lifetime” experience.
the reason the Big 12 and SEC can have a neutral site CCG is because you can drive to Atlanta or Kansas City from virtually every school in their respective conferences. Pac-10 is too spread out.
Besides, a “neutral site” is just going to mean LA.
Even though it isn't built yet....
We should name it.
by well you win some and lose others on Oct 21, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I think his point was
Seeing it in person will be difficult if you are the away team.
by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 21, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
i don't really think it will
the demand to travel to a CCG will not match that of a bowl game. You think 30k Coug fans will pick up and travel to Phoenix for a neutral site CCG game with 6 days notice.
There will be enough tickets for opposing fans, IMO.
Exactly
The players worked their butts off to get there, and their fans lived and died with every player all season, both set of fans should have the chance to see their team play in person in a conference title game.
i have a hard time with the idea that any fan will be shut out from seeing this game
here’s a picture of the ACC title game, who also has a spread-out conference. You’d rather see this?
In only one year
has the ACC title game attendance been that bad (the one pictured).
That being said, attendance at a neutral site would definitely be an issue.
I really think San Fran will be the place though once the 49ers get a new stadium. Too much revenue being missed out on from suite sales and sponsorship dollars.
by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 21, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
because usually Florida State is in the CCG
Jacksonville’s a home game for them.
FSU has only played in it once
VA Tech, GA Tech, and BC have been the most common teams.
by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 21, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Attendance for the ACC title game
2005: 72,749
2006: 62,850
2007: 53,212
2008: 27,360
2009: 57,227
This is just for reference.
by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 21, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Man, what the heck happened in 2008 to make it so bad?
-Brett G.
-Daily Evergreen Staff Sports Writer
by Brett the 49er on Oct 21, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Va Tech v BC in Tampa
Thats a long way to travel on short notice.
by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 21, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah didn't think about the travel distances.
That picture is hilarious though, what a sad attendance level.
-Brett G.
-Daily Evergreen Staff Sports Writer
by Brett the 49er on Oct 21, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
i'm pretty sure that's paid tickets
only 42k were in attendance for last year’s game
that should have read
You think 30k Coug fans will pick up and travel to Phoenix for a neutral site CCG game with 6 days notice?
Maybe, maybe not
but coug fans, husky fans, or any fans should at least have that opportunity. Both Cougar and Husky fans are passionate about their football teams, and I am sure both set of fans would represent well at a conference title game if given a chance. Especially consider how down our respective programs have been recently. Imagine the enthusiasm we as fans would feel if and when it happens.
i also know that the majority of UW and WSU fans are not going to travel to Arizona or SoCal for a CCG game on 6 days notice
especially since being in the CCG generally means you’ll be in a good bowl game. Most fans aren’t able to do both.
This is the main issue
for every team, not just WSU and UW.
by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 21, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Valid Points
The only other valid solution is to have the game in the same neutral site venue every year. San Diego is likely the best option at least until Las Vegas builds a real stadium.
WSU and UW are going to be the furthest distance from a neutral CCG
so they’re both good examples
Most likely yeah
If the game is in San Fran, it is 1,259 miles from Denver.
It is only 808 miles from Seattle, and only 874 miles from Pullman.
I think thats the only location where WSU and UW wouldn’t be furthest away. To lazy to continue Google mapping.
by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 21, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
it's still a $300 plane ride
I have a hard time believing that any Pac-10 fanbase can fly in 30k fans to a CCG on six days notice and then turn around and fly another 30k fans to a bowl game a month later.
home field is the best option. if a school allots 5-7k seats for the visiting fans, that will be PLENTY.
and by a month later, i mean two weeks later
i keep forgetting CCGs are in mid-december.
I don't disagree with you
I just think money from corporate sponsorships will win out eventually.
How much money would a CCG played at Reser, Martin, or even Husky Stadium really make?
Outside of Oregon, no one in the Pac 10 has a truly modern stadium with money making suites (and even Autzen has a limited number of suites)?
by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 21, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
game tickets isn't as big a deal as tv money
although you do bring up another interesting point. who gets the gate for the CCG?
do season ticket holders get first crack at tickets, are they going to be sold through the Pac-12? how much of that does the school get to keep and how much gets divvied up among the other 11 schools?
and i agree money trumps all
i disagreed with the notion that a visiting fan won’t be able to attend this game if they want to.
Only 1,234 miles from Boulder!
And there’s only a few toll roads!
There were horses and a man on fire and I killed a guy with a trident -- Brick Tamland
Not all cougs live in pullman.
And not all Huskies live in Seattle. And you can be sure that almost no Cardinal live in Stanford since it is just the school.
I like Vegas. Its the most middle we can get. And you could buy tickets before the season knowing that if your team doesn’t make it you still get to see an awesome game and be in Vegas.
As long as they have Busch Light
There were horses and a man on fire and I killed a guy with a trident -- Brick Tamland
I think WSU's non divison schedule will look like this...
…correct me if I am wrong..
e.g.
AU home, ASU away COL home, USC away
UTAH away. ASU home, AU away, UCLA home
AU home, COL away, UTAH home, UCLA away
ASU away, COL home, UTAH away, USC home
UCLA home, UA away, ASU home, COL away
USC away, UTAH home, ASU away, UA home
USC home, UA away, COL home, UTAH away
UCLA away, ASU home, COL away, UTAH home
3 Home & Away with Arizona, Arizona St. Colorado & Utah… 2 Home & Away with USC & UCLA
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