WSU Can (And SHOULD) Stop ASU
All season long (or at least since in conference play) the rhetoric to describe this Cougar team has been the same:
The offense is capable but the defense is awful.
Looking at the points allowed, the yards per carry, the total defense, and seeing live the ease with which opposing offensive move down the field, it is really hard to refute that. However, there is at least one metric that says this WSU defense belongs more in the realm of "average" than "cover your eyes terrible." The Defensive S&P statistic over at Football Outsiders.
If you are not familiar with how these numbers are derived, I STRONGLY encourage you to go here for a quick explanation. These statistics are measured on a play-by-play basis, alleviating some of the small sample size issues that plague college football numbers. They are also heavily adjusted for strength of schedule, and for the Cougs that is the key point to focus on.
Right now, the Washington State defense is ranked 53rd in defensive S&P. According to those rankings the Cougars have a slightly above average defense.
How can that be possible when the Cougs are giving up 40 points a game?
The fact of the matter is WSU has played some of the toughest offenses in the nation on a weekly basis. In order (excluding Montana State) the Cougs have played the #7, 39, 12, 40, 10, 35, and 22 rated teams in offensive S&P. This defense has not gotten a break and essentially they are letting the opposition do to them what they have done to almost every team they've played (UCLA notwithstanding, but the Bruins have been one of the top rushing offenses in the country).
With this week comes the first real break in the season for the defense, as Arizona State sits as the 74th ranked offense in S&P. That is a significant drop from anyone the Cougs have faced thus far, and the Sun Devils may be even worse than their ranking. Starting quarterback Steven Threet is questionable for Saturday's game and they may be forced send out third stringer Samson Szakacsy.
Furthermore, ASU also does not really excel in any part of their attack, ranking 68th in rushing S&P and 75th in passing. As far as matchups go, the best for the Cougs is on passing downs. The Sun Devils have been awful in that situation, 91st overall. The WSU defense has performed very well when a pass is likely, as they are 22nd in the country. If Arizona State is playing without their starting quarterback, then that becomes even more lopsided for Wazzu.
So don't be surprised if Washington State comes out and plays a pretty good defensive game against ASU. The advanced numbers say this is as favorable a matchup on that side of the ball as there has been all year. If they are forcing more punts and making more plays come this Saturday, you'll be smart and know that this isn't anything new or unexpected. It was something this group had in them the whole time.
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All this time...
we thought our offense was better than our defense. Yet our offensive s & p rating is 91 which is way worse than our defense.
by Cougars Hunt and Kill on Oct 26, 2010 10:12 PM PDT reply actions
Remember how bad our offense was in the first three games.
Also, it’s worth noting that S&P+ only tracks when the game is “close,” which is defined this way:
First Quarter: Within 28 points or fewer (was previously 24)
Second Quarter: Within 24 points or fewer (was previously 21)
Third Quarter: Within 21 points or fewer (was previously 16)
Fourth Quarter: Within 16 points or fewer (unchanged)
I haven’t looked close enough at our games to know for sure what this excludes, but basically it would eliminate the entire second half against Oklahoma State and most of the second half against USC. That’s part of the difference you see.
Am I forgetting any other games?
The 4th quarter against Stanford is all out.
That was some fairly decent offense.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 27, 2010 8:56 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yup, you're right
And that would be the case for some of SMU (before the late TD), much of Oregon and all of Arizona, right? (Bear in mind I’m not looking that closely.)
Essentially, the system is pretty much throwing out the fourth quarters of each of our games except MSU and UCLA.
by Jeff Nusser on Oct 27, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Great point!
Our offense is completely different than it was in the first three weeks and I would argue that our defense has been much better after the UCLA game with the infusion of young talent into the starting lineup such as Bucannon, Mizell, and Kaufusi.
I would say in general the team that played the last three games is much different than the one that got embarrassed by OSU and USC and just barely got by MSU. That’s what I always try to explain to my friends that think we are horrible but they don’t really get it.
by Cougars Hunt and Kill on Oct 27, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh great
way to ruin the Tooth Fairy for me
There were horses and a man on fire and I killed a guy with a trident -- Brick Tamland
Well... I guess it is about time to tell you about the great pumpkin.
It doesn’t exisit.
by well you win some and lose others on Oct 27, 2010 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions
You are spreading mis-informaton...
I give you, The Great Pumpkin.
by LongballWSUFB on Oct 27, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love these type of statistics
Makes the average fan rethink what’s really going on. Dave Cameron does this to me all the time with the Mariners.
Now I know this article is more focused on the coug defense being better than perceived...
but should we be concerned about our offensive rating? Maybe Tuel & Co. aren’t that impressive?
by dertingfactor on Oct 27, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
On the flip side
The Fremeau Efficiency Index — which is drive based, rather than play based — is exactly the opposite. Likes the offense, HATES the defense. My head hurts too much right now to try and figure out what that means.
Just saw that.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 27, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
And my reaction was similar to yours.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 27, 2010 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
The 91st overall rating
stems from several things, mainly our lack of a running game. We rank 112th overall in rushing S&P, and 64th overall in passing S&P. Our offensive issues to begin the season (heavy running, power formations) are holding this ranking back, and it should improve as the year goes on. Looking at the next four defenses we face, I think our offense should land around the top 50.
by Fightfightfight on Oct 28, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember it is adjusted for your opponents.
So if we are playing bad defenses and doing well, that doesn’t help us all that much in those ratings. If our offense does well against ASU (who is #22), then I think a jump should be expected.
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by Craig Powers on Oct 28, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions

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