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The Problem With Underperforming Linebackers

A lot of football fans tend to conceptualize defense like this: 

Defensive line = First line of defense

Linebackers = Second line of defense

Secondary = Last line of defense

In the strictest sense, it's true. The line gets first crack at making the play, then the linebackers, and so on. But it's really not as simple as thinking of each of these units as independent of the other. That might be true at lower levels of the sport (although high schools are becoming increasingly sophisticated), but it's most certainly not true at the college level, where the units are inextricably tied together through interdependent responsibilities. 

While I don't pretend to be some sort of football coach -- or even as familiar with the inner workings of schemes as Brian -- we can make some informed conclusions about where the defense is breaking down based on things the coaches have said publicly and closely observing the video of some of the bigger plays the defense gave up, specifically against USC.

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The first thing to understand about run defense responsibilities is this: The defensive line's primary responsibility in virtually any defense you see at the college level is not to make tackles; it is to plug gaps and occupy blockers. When the ball is snapped, they're taught to move with the flow of the line, holding their position in their designated gaps.

If the tackles and ends do their jobs well, there's nowhere for the opposing running backs to go. They run into a wall of nothing, and are either A) Swallowed up by a lineman who finally breaks free or B) Tracked down by unblocked linebackers collapsing on the line of scrimmage after the back tries to cut back or bounce outside.

Of course, that sort of ideal scenario rarely works out, especially for a team like Washington State. More often than not, the Cougar tackles are not able to hold their gaps as well as they should, and are pushed too far with the flow of the run. The good news is that the hole generally isn't where it was supposed to be. The bad news is that the defense is repeatedly exposed to cutback lanes and misdirection.

Enter the linebackers.

Because lines rarely do their jobs to perfection, the linebackers have to work in concert with them to bottle up runners. In the most general terms (with the acknowledgement that this isn't always the case), If the run is to their side, they need to be able to neutralize a blocker (either by avoiding or shedding him) and get to the ball carrier. If the run is away from them, they have to both pursue the ball carrier while simultaneously staying in position to protect against cutbacks and misdirection. That's called backside contain.

Sounds simple, right? Stay in position, and be ready to make a tackle if the ball carrier comes your way. Unfortunately, it's not as easy as it sounds ... as our linebackers have demonstrated repeatedly this year. 

I hate to say this, but the WSU linebackers are perhaps the worst unit of anything on any team in the entire conference. On most plays, one or more of them is either out of position or unable to match up physically with opposing offenses -- or both. This means they're unable to contain ball carriers and limit them to minimal gains.

This might not be such a glaring issue if the defensive line was stronger, but the reality is that it's not. This defense needs players at linebacker who can, at the very least, get themselves in the right spot and then make a tackle from that spot. But more often that not, they have either overpursued and are left grasping at air or swinging at legs when the ball carrier comes their way (hello, Alex Hoffman-Ellis), or they are washed out by blockers (hi there, Mike Ledgerwood and Myron Beck). 

Check out the video, if you dare. Keep an eye on the linebackers.

There also seems to be a little bit of an attitude problem with these guys. I won't say they're not trying hard, because I don't think that's really ever a fair criticism of an athlete at the Division I level. Of course they're trying hard. But these guys really lack the nastiness you simply must have to be an effective linebacker. You've got to be willing to hurtle your body through guys 100 pounds heavier than you and running right at you and stop at nothing to get to that ball. These guys -- with maybe the exception of Beck, whose problems stem mostly from just being smaller -- just don't seem to have that killer instinct. Check out the run at 2:10 in the video. They're so scared of giving up a big play that they actually completely cease to attack the line of scrimmage.

Louis Bland has that attacking mentality. But he can't play.

So how to solve the linebacker dilemma?

The first thing is that there's just no scheme out there that's going to solve this. The 3-4 is WAAAAAAY out of the question for obvious reasons, as is the 30 stack for equally obvious reasons. If we were only getting gashed out of power formations, a 5-2 might be worth looking into -- especially with the debut of Toni Pole seeming imminent -- but we're getting run over in all sorts of formations, and you can't very well trot out a 5-2 against 3- and 4-wide sets. (I guess you could, but your DBs better be dang good. Ours aren't yet.)

What we're really left with is making personnel changes. And while earlier this week I compared such moves to "rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic," I've actually started to think that maybe there's something to be gained from changing personnel -- and I'm talking immediate gains, not just future gains brought on by the development from playing now.

First, Ledgerwood is an enormous problem in the middle. He gets washed out of the play by oncoming blockers with alarming frequency and has a terribly difficult time finding the ball in most instances. (Although, he did make a nice play in forcing the fumble against UCLA.) He does not take on blockers and direct the ball carrier to help.

See that picture at the top of this post? He's run into a hole where the runner isn't, taking himself and whichever tackle is engaged by the offensive lineman right out of the play. You can watch that play at the 2:22 mark in the video. Basically, he guesses that the ball carrier is heading for a certain spot, rather than trusting the tackle in front of him, and the running back cuts into the hole he just vacated. Pause it at 2:27, and you'll see exactly what the problem is. If he had done his job, he would have had a chance to stand the runner up at the line of scrimmage. This isn't a rare occurrence. 

After half a season of starting, there's simply little evidence that Ledgerwood is a Pac-10 level starter. Yes, he had a nice Apple Cup in 2009. But that's about the extent of his resume. And as a junior, that doesn't exactly offer a lot of confidence that things are going to dramatically improve with more time.

The coaches seem to agree. True freshman C.J. Mizell has seen all the reps with the ones this week, with Ledgerwood not even seeing practice time in the middle on Monday. (He did see backup time behind Hoffman-Ellis.) While Mizell has certainly had his ups and downs, the fact of the matter is that he's got both the physical attributes and the nasty attitude to be an elite middle linebacker. He professes to now "get it," so it's time to turn him loose. He'll make mistakes. (You can see a big one at the 2:00 mark in the video. He also gets juked pretty bad at 4:15.)

But even with that, he truly ought to be an immediate upgrade over Ledgerwood. A great example of what he's capable of is at 3:42 in the video. See the way he takes on the blocker? If there had been any kind of outside contain there, he would have dropped the runner for a loss. That's what he's capable of. (And, by the way, that nasty attitude I'm talking about? Getting through blockers to make a play because of desire? Check out how Deone Bucannon finishes that play. And then wonder why our current linebackers aren't playing like that.) Even on the play where he's juked, he's there ... AND recovers to make the tackle.

Second, Alex Hoffman-Ellis also needs to be replaced. Another junior, I've lost confidence that he's ever going to live up to his considerable physical potential. The guy is a freak athlete -- he's reputed to be the fastest guy on the defense, DBs included -- but all the speed in the world can't make up for a lack of football instincts, and can sometimes even be detrimental. Hoffman-Ellis often runs himself out of plays with his failure to recognize what's going on in front of him, which is an unbelievably scary thought with Oregon and all their misdirection coming to town.

Now, Hoffman-Ellis has only been playing football for a few years, so that's certainly an explanation for where he's at. But with a full season and a half of Pac-10 football under his belt, I just don't think he's ever going to truly figure it out. I will grant you that he generally is solid in zone pass coverage, where his speed allows him to get his hands on balls or even pick up an interception. But if you want someone to blame for the big pass to Stanley Havili ... look no further than Hoffman-Ellis, who overcommitted and then couldn't recover. Again, all the speed in the world won't make up for a lack of football instincts.

I think the coaches are still enamored with his tools, but there's good news for those of us who want to see a change: He sat out yesterday's practice with an injury. Of course, you never want to see anyone hurt. But if it opens up time for a guy I want to see the field more, I'm not going to complain. That guy? Redshirt freshman Sekope Kaufusi.

Kaufusi came to WSU as a linebacker recruit, but he was moved to a stand-up end position in an effort to allow him to rush the quarterback. That hasn't worked out well, so he's now been moved back to linebacker -- specifically, weakside linebacker. One thing I know about Kaufusi is the guy loves to hit. And the responsibilities of the WILL linebacker are similar to that of a defensive end, so while he's going to be out in space, at least some things should be familiar to him. I'm excited to see what he can do. 

Lastly, I'd like to see Beck stay. He's got the attitude. He likes to lay the wood. But his size has been a liability, due in no small part to the play of the two guys next to him. The hope here is that with elevated play from the guys next to (as well as in front of) him, he'll be able to be a more disruptive force. I think he's still our best option there.

Look, none of these represent miracle fixes. Mizell and Kaufusi (along with Eric Oertel, who also has been working at WILL) are still freshmen. If the coaches were confident in their ability to be that much better, they'd have already been on the field. But there's really nowhere to go but up with the linebackers, and the reality is that their "up" is potentially a lot higher than the "up" of the guys they're going to be replacing. 

This team simply must get better play from its linebackers. Imagine what this team might have done against both USC and UCLA if that unit alone had played up to a Pac-10 average level? We might be talking about a team that's 2-0 -- or at least, 1-1 -- in conference play and generating some genuine excitement amongst the fans.

If the Cougs can get just moderate improvement out of these guys, I fully believe that there's a chance to pick up another win this season.

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I'd laugh

If that clip didn’t make me want to throw up. So awful.

by Jeff Nusser on Oct 6, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow...

I can’t stop laughing at that play… reminds me of that play by Wilson in Fall camp where he made 3 guys miss at the same time… wasn’t it Ledgerwood that tackled air that time?

by james_WSU on Oct 6, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

rec'd

I love The Yaaardsma! GIFs!!! In the house.

"John, I was first team All-State. I can put the ball anywhere I want to. I'll make it rain out here." - Jeremy Grey

by SoCalCoug on Oct 6, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

This play doesn't seem as cool now.

Knowing the skills of each player, that is EXACTLY what should have happened.

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by Craig Powers on Oct 6, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

So, here was what I was thinking when that video came out

This is the first scrimmage clip I have watched

and I find myself being very cynical. The throw to Wilson could have been blown coverage, the juke by Wilson shows bad secondary footwork, the bubble screen to Staden shows how we can be exploited on the edges, the RB’s are able to drive forward for extra yardage because our tackling technique is weak, and on and on.

Or …

Wilson is awesome, the bubble screen finally works because we are fast, and the RB’s are stronger and faster. In all honesty, I am going to choose all the positives.

I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

by HitKing69 on Aug 21, 2010 4:13 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs

I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

by HitKing69 on Oct 6, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, yes he is

I love all of our wide receivers

I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

by HitKing69 on Oct 7, 2010 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

1 out of 3

its something.

The K is special

by J.J. FeKl on Oct 6, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

We should've known.

Damnit, we fooled ourselves. I count 3 sets of eyes looking squarely at WIlson’s feet (the worst place too look when trying to tackle) 3 guys who have lost their center of balance and are over extending themselves just trying to get to the play (can’t make a tackle without your hips under you) and not a single attempt to grab hold of wilson (the single most important part of tackling someone).

That is, in the words of my former O Line coach, “Just God Awful, Boys.”

by Fightfightfight on Oct 6, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think I can stomach...

watching that tackle attempt by Chima on the first USC TD run ever again. It is almost the worst football play i have ever seen. Too bad for Barrington, cause that kid may be starting by now if he kept up with the books.

by LongballWSUFB on Oct 6, 2010 3:20 PM PDT reply actions  

That, combined with Bucannon's play, was my breaking point with Chima

And I completely agree with Barrington. Want a backer that flies around and loves to lay hat? Barringtons your man.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 6, 2010 4:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

What happened to Chima?

He was such a promising player as a frosh (think he made some Frosh AA teams).

by cougfan45 on Oct 6, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Frosh AA is worthless.

Waaaayy too many quality Freshman are redshirting and/or behind upperclassmen at deeper programs.

The K is special

by J.J. FeKl on Oct 6, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Valid argument

but my point was that he showed enough talent to make those teams. Watching him now he looks like a backup. (maybe he just needs to go back to CB)

by cougfan45 on Oct 6, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Husain Abdullah

Had Husain playing behind him, as well as Jackson & Hicks. Some talent & with Jackson & Abdullah, experience to cover for him. We weren’t a very good defense then, but at least the better players were Juniors & Seniors (e.g. Ropaiti, Husain, Lance B, etc.).

Also keep in mind Chima was a CB who got moved to S due to a lack of speed. If a kid is really all conference, and didn’t gain much size, would he really get moved away from the corner?

And as JJ said, 2 types of players make FR AA, and that’s a) outstounding 5-star studs making an impact, or b) players getting a lot of playing time on bad teams.

by SDCoug on Oct 6, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man I forgot about Barrington.

There is another guy that will be in the LB mix next year. Do you guys think he will keep up his grades? I wonder if there will be any attrition in the LB corps for next year. Next year will have serious LB battles with Bland, Barrington, Atofao, (recruit) Mayes, (recruit) Su’a, (recruit) Monroe (who I am excited about, he likes to hit), (recruit) Pritchard, Markle, Mizell, Burns and Oertel. I watched (recruit) Hersey’s video and he is not going to play LB in college, I am thinking DL or OL. I recently watched Max Gama’s video and he reminds me of Casey Locker. He looks like he could be a good Safety. I hope Su’a and Monroe are as good as advertised, because I wouldn’t mind see Su’a, Mizell and Monroe as our LBs next year. Scary and inexperienced.

"John, I was first team All-State. I can put the ball anywhere I want to. I'll make it rain out here." - Jeremy Grey

by SoCalCoug on Oct 6, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry I forgot to put Kaufusi in the mix.

"John, I was first team All-State. I can put the ball anywhere I want to. I'll make it rain out here." - Jeremy Grey

by SoCalCoug on Oct 6, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does Markle suck?

I love the youtube weight lifting, but he gets no PT.

by dflynnwsu on Oct 6, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have been wondering the same thing.

He got a lot of recruiting hype, but has barely got any burn.

"John, I was first team All-State. I can put the ball anywhere I want to. I'll make it rain out here." - Jeremy Grey

by SoCalCoug on Oct 6, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Weight Room Legend =

Lodwick Practice Shooting Legend.

"John, I was first team All-State. I can put the ball anywhere I want to. I'll make it rain out here." - Jeremy Grey

by SoCalCoug on Oct 6, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

He played a decent amount in the OSU game

There were a couple of times when he went to tackle Hunter where by the time he brought him down Hunter had plowed ahead three or four more yards.

Strength doesn’t seem to be a problem for the LBs. Leverage and footwork, however, appear to be non-existent.

"A bad day at the track is better than a good day at the office."

by Matt Gardner on Oct 6, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let's be fair

He’s a redshirt freshmen who hasn’t seen the field very often. In most programs he’s a year from seeing the field at all. Give him time. He was probably over-hyped early.

by SDCoug on Oct 6, 2010 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he can be good, he's got the size and strength, that's for sure

but even with all his strength he was getting knocked over. And I think you hit the nail on the head – he really should be a year away from the field.

"A bad day at the track is better than a good day at the office."

by Matt Gardner on Oct 6, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

I think it’s important to remember that even if these changes don’t work, the offense showed if you just add a few playmakers to a solid core, you can make huge strides.

by Jeff Nusser on Oct 6, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great article. Couldn't agree more.

Let the young guys play and get some experience. Besides, they can’t possibly be worse than Ledgerwood and Hyphen. Man I really really wish Bland was healthy. That guy is a difference maker.

Also, was Atofau playing S, LB, or more of a rover type last Sat? He made some bonehead mistakes but he’s got talent.

by cougfan45 on Oct 6, 2010 4:06 PM PDT reply actions  

He was at SAM

It was a straight swap for Beck for disciplinary reasons early.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 6, 2010 5:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

New starters

If we are to start new linebackers, I guess this is probably the best week to do it. Players can only learn so much in practice. Game experience is where it matters and who better to learn against one of the best teams in the nation. Granted there will be mistakes made that could result to points allowed but, let’s face it, we’re a long shot to win/be competitive and the chance of mistake probably isn’t increased that much with Mizell and Kaufusi in there and their upside is so much greater. If these guys are to be the core of linebackers for the next three years, they need to get in there and learn on the fly, much like Tuel and others.

by sdcoug09 on Oct 6, 2010 4:23 PM PDT reply actions  

And they've dumbed down the playbook a ton for this week

This week is the perfect week to do it. Not a lot of blitz packages to learn or a complicated gameplan to install. All they have to do is react to what’s going on in front of them.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 6, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks for this analysis

The play of our LBs is truly frightening. One of the players on this unit had comitted to play for a BigSky team before Wulff signed him at the last minute. Amazing.
I know we are severely lacking talent at LB, but what about coaching? Niekamp coaches the LBs. They have been consistently out of position for 3 years now. Is it coaching? Is it lack of talent and lack of speed? I can’t make up my mind. I do know it’s ugly to watch. Agree that Havili’s run was pathetic. And that came after we had scored to take a 7-0 lead!!!! Nothing seems to energize this unit.
Please continue these great analyses. Much more objective than the other , more well known site. I am not on the bandwagon there, and I am not popular because I don’t “get it” and I don’t “buy in.” You guys are doing a great job!!!!!!

by bpcoug53 on Oct 6, 2010 5:21 PM PDT reply actions  

question about Mitz

Sorry for changing the subject, but I asked Wulff last night on his radio show why Mitz isn’t playing His answer was that while he does some things well he still makes too many mistakes. For example, he went the wrong way on Tuel’s rollout on third and goal so the whole play was wrecked. I really don’t like that explanation..after all, there are a lot of guys starting who are making mistakes all the time and they are still playing. Plus, I think there’s a difference between practice and games. It mystifies me why Mitz didn’t play again after having the longest run last week and looked good doing it. sometimes I don’t understand Wulff.

by bpcoug53 on Oct 6, 2010 5:39 PM PDT reply actions  

On second down, Mitz went the wrong way

On third down, Montgomery blew his blocking assignment. The running back situation isn’t so great.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 6, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with bp.

Excellent for that damn oil spill…. Nvm, lets not do that.

On a serious note, our running back situation is beginning to look like the QB situation in seattle. Monty, the established starter with questionable physical ability, is Matt Hasslebeck while Mitz is Charlie Whitehurst, the guy on the bench with a lot of tools but at least as many questions about their ability to execute the correct play consistently. I know, there are a lot of differences between the situations, namely that Mitz has seen the field while Whitehurst has not and that Monty’s physical shortcomings are due to injury and short recovery time rather than Hass’s age and marginal skills at his peak.

Anyways, Monty may be executing the correct play but unable to physically make the play. Mitz may do the wrong thing sometimes, but looks to be physically much better than Monty right now. I think Monty will get better physically each week as his strength naturally returns, but it is going to be a while before he is 100%, and there is a sizeable chance that that strength never comes back while he is in a Cougar Uniform. I think the Youth Movement should just sell out and get the most physically gifted players out there now, and let them have a year to allow their minds to catch up.

by Fightfightfight on Oct 6, 2010 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I'm with you both

But was just pointing out both of them screwed up. I would like to see more Mitz, especially in power situations.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 6, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

a llittle correction for your article

Just FYI, Oertel has NEVER taken a snap at WIL. He is taking snaps at SAM with Beck and Atofau.

Also to judge Markle on one play – his first college tackle on his first play in college is amazing. We were so proud that he made a solo on his first play in college football. He tackled Hunter. Was he tentative – yes did he whiff – no nor has he "whiffed in any of the very few plays he’s gotten.

2 of his 8 plays in the UCLA game. First a slot back came across the formation and tried to block him and the hit was so loud you could hear it over any sounds on the broadcast. Darren stopped him in his tracks and it turned the play to the inside -

the second was Darren taking on a very large O-lineman and throwing him to the side and knocked the guy to the ground and made an assist which he got no credit for.

I challenge you to go take a look

The other play that was almost big was when UCLA ran a reverse and everyone bit except for Darren who diagnosed correctly. He went up field and got blocked in the back (which was not called) or he would have had a big play for loss. He was hugely disappointed he did not make the play.

Please go look then come back and tell me he doesn’t hit or gets pushed around. His play has been so limited to make an assessment off of his first college play ever is beyond idiotic

by famous potato on Oct 6, 2010 9:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Good

I missed most of the second half of the UCLA game, so I haven’t noticed Markle on the field since OSU. I think some are just questioning why we haven’t seen much of him considering how poorly the LB play has been as a whole.

by Yakicoug on Oct 6, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Correct

We actually want to see more Markle. I really like the kid and what I’ve seen from him in practice and scrimmages.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 6, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

No he wasn't

Sorry Brian,
No disrespect intended but Braulio and Grippi often get the positions players are at wrong. Yesterday only Kaufusi and Markle at Will, AHE sat out. Mizell and Kaufusi (who moved to WIL during practice) at MIK, and Beck, Atofau, and then Oertel at Sam. I am telling you this first hand from the practice field. 100% accurate

by famous potato on Oct 6, 2010 10:09 PM PDT reply actions  

First of all, please use the reply button.

It helps keeps conversations together and easier to keep up with.

Secondly, I’m not sure anyone was saying Markle sucked. You are getting super defensive for no reason. We’re all Cougs here, therefore, we’re all friends. No need to take a certain tone or attitude. Breathe, man. It’s all good.

by Kyle Rancourt on Oct 6, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Confidence and reps

Darren is not as naturally athletic as the others. He is just smart, has worked his a__ off and doesn’t often get out of position. He has worked really hard since the OSU game on delivering the blow and getting off of blocks and in the UCLA game we saw huge improvement from him. It is just hard to get into the flow of the game and get the comfort level and aggressiveness flowing when you get in for one of two plays and then out again. In another post I likened it to golf. Suppose you got to go take one golf swing sit for an hour and then had to hit your drive off the first tee at the US Open and they did not let you have a practice swing. I can’t even imagine. I have had that dream before by the way. Not good :) My husband likens it to being a pinch hitter in baseball – he says it is considered a very difficult job. He just needs time and reps to get some confidence going. Hopefully, one of these days he will get his shot (quality time and reps) and hopefully he can take advantage. Until then we don’t even know if he can do it or not either. We are waiting to see just like you.

by famous potato on Oct 6, 2010 10:23 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree with that

And I don’t doubt that he’ll do fine when he gets game time. You know better than we that he’s a very strong kid, something this team could use more of.

In a game situation he’s seen very little time, not nearly enough to draw any sweeping conclusions about him. He’ll get his shot at some point. I’ve seen him practice, I’ve seen him play in scrimmages and I’ve liked what I saw. I’d like to see more of him in games, whether it’s now or next year to see what he can do.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 6, 2010 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry

Did not mean to come across as defensive. Just trying to get people to look a bit deeper than one tackle.

by famous potato on Oct 6, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's understandable

Really, nobody can draw conclusions from one or two plays. Kendall Hunter is a good back. He ran over a lot of WSU defenders and has run over plenty of opponents since.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 6, 2010 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you watch Stanfords LB Marecic whiff at the goal line for a TD

I couldn’t believe it. A one on one match up coming thru a gap at the goal line against the Oregon RB. Huge whiff. I realized then that even great players make mistakes and it is going to happen to everyone sometimes.

by famous potato on Oct 6, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, they're all going to make mistakes at some point

The problem we’re having with the current starters is mistakes that are happening repeatedly, leaving the defense as a whole exposed. Right now, the backers are either getting caught in the wash or losing contain, both of which are killing the defense. It’s not so much the missed tackles, though those do hurt, it’s the blown assignments happening over and over. I hate missed tackles, but at least if the players are in the right position we’re on to something.

Take, for example, Tyree Toomer. Earlier in the year, he stepped up in the hole on the goal line and got ran over. He pounded the turf in frustration because he was there, he just didn’t make the stop. Fast forward to UCLA. Same situation, on the goal line, Toomer steps up in the hole again and drops the back for no gain. Same assignment, same positioning, different result.

The point is players are going to miss tackles at times. It happens. I’m much more encouraged, however, if they’re actually in the right spots to make a play. That, so far, has been severely lacking with the starters at all three linebacker spots.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 6, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is the sum of the parts

If everyone was playing assignment sound along the defensive front things would be alot better. I have never agreed that we don’t have the talent. If you are in the right spot the amount of athletic talent you have to have goes down by alot. That is why I think it is all about athletic ability right now because there are so many people out of position all at once that unless you are uber athletic you can’t make the play. The first fix is discipline which due to desperate times is being skipped over for the uber athlete as the quick fix. I hope it works.

by famous potato on Oct 6, 2010 10:58 PM PDT reply actions  

And I completely agree with that

The defense does have athletes and talent. It’s much better than it’s been in the last two years.

Discipline, however, is missing, especially in the front seven. Many of the problems can be retraced back to missed assignments, which stem from a lack of discipline. When the WIL or SAM crash and lose contain, the defense gets gashed. The cutback lanes have been huge because guys are losing their containment or getting caught up in the flow. When the four up-front lose gap control, the offensive line gets to the second-level with ease and can spring the running backs.

All of that combined leads to a defense that can’t stop the running game to save its life.

by Brian Floyd on Oct 6, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it's even a little more than discipline, too

Discipline is about knowing where you’re supposed to be and then going (or staying) there. I’m not convinced that they always know whether they’re supposed to be, whether it’s because they recklessly run to a spot or because they hesitate.

There has to be smarts. It’s more about beating the offensive players to the spot quickly. Lofa Tatupu is a great example of a guy who is not quite as athletic or big as some of the premier MLBs in the NFL, yet he anticipates so well that he’s often able to make the play. In large measure, that appears to be missing from the starters.

by Jeff Nusser on Oct 7, 2010 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Although I loath them

BSU is a great example as has been stated many times on different forums. They take kids from lowly Boise who believe me are not even that good in HS (have seen many of them play in HS) and put them in that super disciplined system and you would never recognize that it is the same kid. I am always amazed at the difference that good coaching and discipline makes.

by famous potato on Oct 6, 2010 11:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Probably the best LB performance I've witnessed

in a college football game was Lofa Tatupu against Oklahoma in the National Championship. And besides Ray Lewis, I’m not sure I’d take another MLB in the NFL.

Here’s a guy that isn’t very big, ran a 4.8 40 at the combine, and consistenly blows up plays in the NFL.

The cougs likely have several players who are bigger, faster, and stronger than Tatupu, yet Tatupu is light years ahead in football ability.

So much of defense is anticipation, and wreckless abandon, which Tatupu would be 100 if Madden had those attributes. And no one on this roster seems to have either of those attributes.

by dertingfactor on Oct 7, 2010 7:47 AM PDT reply actions  

And we may have three guys, as previously mentioned on the roster that could develop

into something like Tatupu. Maybe not insane play recognition, but guys that love blowing up plays as Tatupu does.

Barrington, Mizell, and Kaufusi (possibly Oertel as well)

I actually saw Barrington play in HS, and I realize it was HS, but I’ve never seen someone in HS hit as hard as he could.

by dertingfactor on Oct 7, 2010 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

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