You Stay Classy, Scott Woodward: UW AD Calls Oregon 'An Embarrassment'
The Apple Cup is still a number of weeks away, but it's never too early to make fun of Washington, right?
Today's little slice of heaven comes from none other than UW Athletics Director Scott Woodward, who once again used his "special" way with words to make an ass out of himself. This time, it was on the Washington pregame show, broadcast on KJR before kickoff against No. 1 Oregon on Saturday:
Mahler to Woodward: "What do you make of this place? When you come down here, you see the new baseball field, you see the brand new turf, you see the atmosphere. And don't know if motivation is the word but obviously this is kind of where Washington wants to be, ranked #1 in the country and have all eyes on them."
Woodward: "Sure, it's not really where we want to be Softy (Mahler's nickname), because it's an embarrassment what their academic institution is, and what's happened to them as far as their state funding has gone. In my mind it's a wonderful athletic facility but they've watched it at the expense of the university go really down.
"The athletic facility is impressive. The fans at Oregon should get down on their hands and knees at night to Phil Knight and pray to him because this is an incredible facility he's built."
There are so many things to love about this, but here are my top three:
- It's audio. There will be no twisting of what was said, no "I was taken out of context." Nope, he said it. The whole context is there for everyone to hear.
- The entire country gets introduced to what all of us in Western Washington live around on a daily basis. Remember, this is the guy who said WSU President Elson Floyd and then-AD Jim Sterk lacked "leadership and courage" when they refused to support UW's bid to get money from the legislature to renovate Husky Stadium, and then subsequently blamed the failed Apple Cup at Qwest Field negotiations on WSU.
- The Oregon/Washington rivalry didn't need any help, but it just got 100 gallons of jet fuel dumped on it anyway. Fun!
We get called bitter Cougars all the time when we write things like "[Woodward] is colossally arrogant with a bit of prickishness mixed in for good measure" and say that Woodward spews "arrogant Husky rhetoric that suggests that they're the ones doing us a favor by letting us hang around their neighborhood," but here's the national take on his latest from Brooks at Sports By Brooks:
The embarrassment Saturday wasn't the Univ. of Oregon, but Woodward himself with the lack of class he exhibited in insulting his hosts. Any legitimate points Woodward may have had about the so-called misguided priorities in Eugene were buried by his arrogant, patronizing and defensive tone.
Arrogant, patronizing and defensive? Funny, we Cougs have been saying that for a while now ... LIKE THE LAST 100 YEARS.
Of course, Woodward felt compelled to "apologize" this morning ... if that's what you can call this:
"I apologize if my comments were found as critical or insulting to fans and alumni of the University of Oregon, and I hope to offer some clarity about my true feelings on the situation. I have a great respect for the University of Oregon both as an institution and an athletic program. As a life-long advocate for public funding in higher education, I have seen firsthand the effects of public funding on many institutions, including the University of Washington. My remarks were intended as a commentary on the powerful impact that a state can have on an institution's academic standing. The University of Oregonis a great example of the struggles which can accompany a university when statefunding decreases, but UO is certainly not the only institution suffering."
So, let me get this straight: You apologize "IF" it was "found as critical and insulting" that you called their institution -- direct quote here -- "an embarrassment?"
Hey Scott: Here's an idea! How about this instead! "I was out of line with my choice of words on Saturday regarding the University of Oregon, which is really no business of mine. They've built a fine athletic department, highlighted by a fantastic football team, and Washington wishes them nothing but good fortune going forward."
Then again, he'd probably actually have to believe it ... which he most certainly does not. As I've said before, I hope Washington loses every game in every sport for the rest of eternity. Maybe now the rest of the world can understand why.
You can listen to the whole interview from Saturday after the jump.
EDIT, 2:15 p.m.: Brian dug this up. Woodward elaborated on his comments to Bob Condotta of The Seattle Times sometime Saturday night -- remember, this comes before this morning's apology if you're trying to keep Woodward's comments straight:
"It's embarrassing at the level that the state supports this once-great academic university, because it's gone way down in academic standing because of the enormous lack of support over the decades," Woodward said.
"What they have done here athletically is nothing short of a miracle. It is fabulous what they have invested and how they have done it. But it is a shame that the whole enterprise isn't benefiting (from the athletic success), and that's one thing that is very much a sense of pride at the University of Washington - that our whole enterprise is excellent in all we do. But that's no excuse for us not getting it right in football."
Hmmmmm ... yup, doesn't really change anything.
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Wow, this kind of crap never surprises me!
As I always say Husky arrogance has no bounds! Woodward is a real class act, I’m glad I don’t live over in Seattle. Whenever I’m over there I feel like I’m in enemy territory.But with all seriousness, This kind of pettiness and childish behavior shouldn’t be tolerated. Your a representative of your university and everything you say or do is under a microscope!
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I can see why this is a good thing to poke fun at ...
… but it is clear that he was not calling the Univ of Oregon an embarrassment – he was referring to the state funding of education as the embarrassment. I don’t think Oregon students or faculty would disagree. Woodward’s point of contention is that he would like to see more private donations to boost UW’s facilities similar to how Oregon has benefited from Knight. Context is kind of important here.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
"It's an embarrassment what their academic institution is"
Can’t spin that, dude. Sorry.
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 8, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
that wasn't the quote...
… the quote is “because it’s an embarrassment what their academic institution is, and what’s happened to them as far as their state funding has gone”.
If you understand that UW is in the same boat with state funding but that UW hasn’t benefited from a gracious donor like Phil Knight, it is pretty easy to see that Woodward is using Oregon as an example of what he wants versus the object of his criticism. This is pretty obvious and the way that most every husky fan would interpret the comments.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
"This is pretty obvious and the way that most every husky fan would interpret the comments."
And there you have it.
have what?
Woodward wants more donations to fund his athletic facilities in the same way Oregon has enjoyed Knight’s donations. This is a pretty well understood issue with UW athletics at the moment.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
From a Cougs perspective you guys have plenty of donor money.
I don’t think is a money issue on why UW isn’t winning football games or competitive with UO.
"The rent is too damn high!" Jimmy McMillan
from a Coug's perspective, Ethiopia's healthcare system looks pretty well funded at the moment.
… Pac 12 economics can’t get here fast enough.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
You're looking at it from a Husky perspective. Which I would expect you to do.
But objectivity is a concept foreign to you.
the comment was made to Husky fans...that was the perspective that the comments were intended for
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
Except that he wasn't speaking to a luncheon
He was speaking to the audience of one of the larger sports radio stations in the nation using derogatory terms to describe his opponent.
YOU CANNOT SPIN THIS.
But keep trying. This is great fun.
by Jeff Nusser on Nov 8, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Spot on
If this is a fundraising dinner or golf outing, maybe you can spin it a bit different. But radio is a medium that can be listened to by someone other than Husky fans.
At a minimum, it comes off as unprofessional.
"A bad day at the track is better than a good day at the office."
I'm not really trying to spin it and it really doesn't matter to me how other fan bases perceive comments made by a UW administrator to UW fans and alum
… but if you want the truth, I’m suggesting to you what it most likely is. If you want to continue with your interpretation, that is fine too. If it provides you with some entertainment, that is good. But, you still haven’t explained what possible motive he’d have for ripping Oregon academics. What would be the endgame? My interpretation at least has a clear and likely motive attached to it.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
I mean really!
What in the world do YOU hope he was trying to accomplish? What in the world could he possibly have accomplished by insulting the other university? The people in our state making funding decisions aren’t listening to a football pregame show.
Again, there’s really no way to spin this.
I already stated what he was trying to accomplish ...
… to remind Husky fans that they need to open their wallets if we want our football program to be at Oregon levels. Combine that with all of the mailers I’ve gotten in the last two months and the email survey that I received asking me what the appropriate mandatory donation levels ought to be for select seats in a refurbished stadium and the message is pretty clear to Husky fans.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
The comment was about Oregon's academics
And about how Oregon fans should be thankful that they have Phil Knight. How in the world does that translate to “Husky fans should donate more to the athletic department?”
That's what I don't get
Why bring up state funding for academics. It has nothing to do with raising money for the stadium, nor is it a problem exclusive to Oregon.
He brought it up because he's still dealing with a lot of ...
… Husky fans who think the state ought to fund UW facilities. He ungracefully pointed out that Oregon is suffering from the same issues in terms of state budgets but that Phil Knights donations have been the difference in the athletic facilities.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
If that is what he's saying than he is a horrible speaker
Because it sure sounds like he is just casting stones. He is an AD, and as much as I support an athletic department that focuses on the whole individual, what right does an athletic director have insulting another institutions athletics.
The appropriate phrasing, if he is going for the message you say he is going for, would be something like “take Oregon, they have the same struggles with state funding for the University but have built the best facilities in the country with private donations. While we might be rivals on the field, we could sure learn a few things from their fundraising methods. I have the utmost respect for what the Oregon athletic department has been able to achieve through these hard times.”
See, that wasn’t hard. And you don’t sound like an arrogant windbag saying it.
Why would he being using this...
forum to motivate his donor base? That doesn’t make sense. If I was a UW donor I heard this I wouldn’t think, “Man, I should donate some more money.” I wouldn’t feel called out by Scotty by this interview and if this was his way of calling me out as a donor than I would tell him to stick it. You are telling me you need UO type of donor money in order to win? His comments were pure ego driven, because Softy was so enthralled with UO athletic department it made him feel like he had to stick up for UW some way (point out a supposedly UO weakness) and then he threw in the Knight comment as another excuse.
"The rent is too damn high!" Jimmy McMillan
well, since I am the target audience and I did take it that way ...
… I guess that explains why he’d be using it that way. However, I guess your interpretation of his motivation is just as good as mine.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
There is two ways of seeing this.
1. Through Husky (beer) goggles.
2. Or the rest of the worlds view.
"The rent is too damn high!" Jimmy McMillan
well - since the comments were made on a local broadcast of a Husky game ...
… it would seem that the intended audience were goggle wearing Huskies.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
I know you are determined to come up with the sensationalistic angle on this...
… but what possible motive would he have for baselessly ripping UO athletics? The irony here is that he was ripping Husky fans for not supporting his plan in the same way Oregon athletics have been supported.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
I'll go even one step further
If this was one isolated comment, that would be one thing. In fact, I think you’d see from my previous posts on Woodward, I was fairly measured in my comments. But this is a pattern of just totally inappropriate speech on his part, for which he’s justifiably being ripped not just by Coug fans, but by people with no dog in the fight.
coug fans don't have a dog in this fight, either. LOL
… and interpretations for internet bloggers and national types without knowledge of Woodwards frustrations in athletics fund raising would lack the kind of local perspective required to correctly interpret what he was saying, don’t you think?
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
of course not. I'm not trying to be offensive here. apologies if I'm coming off that way
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
No, you're not.
And I don’t mean that you are. I just mean that there are certain things that don’t really need context. I think I’ve made my point.
Yeah...
Way to go English teacher.
(Insert derogatory Rogers High School joke here)
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I'm going with the common spelling
Your breakdown might be grammatically correct, but I’ve always seen it spelled as one word. And my whole comment was meant as a joke. You know, title says “language police”, like I’m going to be all “don’t swear on the blog” and then in the body it’s just a correction of the spelling. Forget it. That was comedy gold.
Nuss?
Do you teach at Rogers? I went to high school at ER.
by tclaus on Nov 8, 2010 6:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I also went to ER
Graduated last year.
When did you graduate?
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He ripped UO's academics
It had nothing to do with Husky fans not donating to athletics.
"but what possible motive would he have for baselessly ripping UO athletics?"
-because he’s prick who can’t get his own job done and he’s jealous that Oregon makes it look easy. Face it, UW’s AD is an arrogant jerk and if anyone were to say these same things about UW you’d be having a conniption fit about them right now. Instead because you see at as “speaking to the base” it’s ok. husky hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.
By the way, you’ve failed to explain why an is AD talking about another institutions academics and how THAT relates to UW’s athletic donor base????
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Dude, calm down ...
… and don’t judge an entire team and its fans based on Woodward. He spoke poorly. If you’re offended by his rant and his arrogance, wouldn’t it be a good idea to show some restraint — you know, prove how classy UO fans can be. Am I just being a hypocrite here? Since I’m a Husky fan, I must be.
I clearly explained it ...
… and, unfortunately, it makes more sense than the whole “he’s a prick” argument.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
Actually it makes about as much sense and probably we're both partly right.
When I first read what he said, my initial reaction was that he was most likely pandering to his base to try and a) stir up the masses on rivalry weekend and hopefully grease a few of the donor wheels, and b) trying and failing to make a point about state funding.
Here’s the thing though. He could have easily gotten on the radio and said, “I love how Oregon is building new facilities with only donor money, and I’d love to do that too at UW” or be complimentary when talking about another institution’s academics (since he is an AD) but he didn’t, because he’s a prick and thought it would be so much better if he just called the rival school an embarrassment academically in hopes that some of the UW crowd would cheer along “YEAH THAT’S RIGHT” and he could run back to them with his hand out and ask them to pony up.
I get that he’s a fledgling AD who hasn’t really been able to get the things accomplished that he wants to. I understand there are many reasons for this both in and out of his control. But don’t expect me or other Duck fans to see his misguided rabble rousing and word choice as just a guy trying to pander to his base. Once again, if someone said this about UW, base pandering or not, you’d burst a blood vessel trying to figure out every way possible to discredit them.
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by Matt Daddy on Nov 9, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He definitely calls their academics an embarassment.....
and then said that a lack of state funding is the cause of said embarassment. Still, Woodward is a dooshe
by Fightfightfight on Nov 8, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He may have a legitimate point about state funding (a problem not exclusive to Oregon)
But all of it was lost, as SBB said, in the tone of the statements.
Sorry, I think you are wrong on this one.
You are a respectful Husky contributor to CougCenter and it is appreciated, but Woodward was either calling UofO or the people in the state of Oregon embarrassment. He probably realized it sounds worse than he intended, but what was the point of saying it. If it wasn’t an ego thing, then it would have never been said.
"The rent is too damn high!" Jimmy McMillan
Private donations to support academics at UO
Phil Knight’s first major contribution to the University of Oregon was the Knight Library, and his second was Oregon’s Law School (both of which are Fantastic facilities).
Just sayin….
by BeanCountingDuck on Nov 9, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions
Unbelievable!
I thought it sounded bad when I read it, then I listened to it and it was even worse. Stay Classy Montelake!
By the way Scotty, Nike isn’t the only reason Oregon is where it is at. It is also their great fans base. Bill Moos used his “build the pyramid” system to build a tremendous donor base there. I couldn’t find it in the archives, but I know Nuss or Brian wrote a story about how much UO Alumni annually donated to athletics before Moos and how much they do now. It is dramatically different. I will admit there is no doubt Uncle Knight’s giving has had an impact, but the rest of the donors shouldn’t be over looked because they have done a tremendous job.
Whether Woodward meant it that way or it was taken out of context, why would he go down that road anyways? He didn’t really answer Softy’s question, he took in a different direction than he needed to. It was a question about athletics, not academics and the economy. He was asking about facilities, exposure and competitiveness. “It’s not really where we want to be” Is he crazy? I wouldn’t mind being where their football program is, freakin ESPN Gameday has covered the multiple times in the last couple years. Throwing the whole Phil Knight comment out there was bad. WSU has the smallest athletic budget in the Pac10 and we don’t complain about Knight, we know we got our own program to worry about building. That sounds like the kid (who is also pretty wealthy) in the neighborhood who is complaining and making excuses because another kid’s parents are rich and it isn’t fair. Rise above it.
"The rent is too damn high!" Jimmy McMillan
There is no question
there has to be some envy, there facilities are RIDICULOUS! This is little outburst remind me of that shot the Boise State president took at Idaho and vice versa. It’s Funny I was listening to Brock and Salk this morning and Brock Huard was saying how the facilities at Oregon are nice but not SEC nice. It seemed like a backhanded compliment. If it’s a question of being biased, DAMN RIGHT I’m BIASED!
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by Cougz4Life509 on Nov 8, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
I have trouble...
believing that the SEC has nicer facilities than UO. ESPN did a special just on UO facilities. When they took the cameras through I was amazed how nice it is. I work around major commercial architects, engineers and construction companies and I have seen some of the sports facilities built here on the west coast. I was amazed with how nice UO’s facilities were.
I also saw a walk through of USC’s football facilities and they were not nice (not at all), which surprised me but the USC Galen Center is very nice, it houses the basketball and volleyball teams.
"The rent is too damn high!" Jimmy McMillan
Regardless of his intent ...
… Woodward’s comments come off as arrogant. I suppose I can see what he was getting at, but he chose the wrong way to express himself. Crapping on the University of Oregon on the weekend that UW plays them isn’t good form. In fact, someone in his position shouldn’t be crapping on anyone publicly.
This type of incident is painful for UW fans and just plain good times for WSU fans. I don’t think anyone in this debate so far can claim objectivity.
I don't know what is painful about it. It really doesn't affect the fans in any way because it has no implication on anything on the field.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
It should be painful to UW fans and I appreciate Jeff in MD saying it is
If my AD came out and ripped another Universities Academics, and opened himself up to being quoted saying “it’s not where I really want to be, because it’s an embarrasment what their academic instution is” I would be embarrassed that my AD said those words.
I know there is more to the quote, but why did he take a question about Oregon’s athletics and start his answer with an insult about Academics? While did he insult the University that was about to beat his football team in the first place?
He seems to want to spin the question into the answer he wants to give, but he does a very poor job of it. There is no reason to jump into academics based on a question about Athletics, and he does this in an incredibly ungraceful manner. It is a major gaffe, and it is not Woodward’s first.
It reflects badly on the University
I’m not an Oregon fan, but UW officials have to do better than what Woodward put out there. I get what he’s trying to say, but it comes across badly. I’d rather beat Oregon on the field.
So, Brian dug up Woodward "elaborating" on his comments on Saturday
Check it out at the end of the post.
I have to ask...
What was Mahler’s response to this gem?
He just basically kind of awkwardly laughed it off and asked what stats it was based on
You can listen to the clip here.
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My opinion is probably bias
Just because I dislike Oregon and their athletic program so much more than UW. And find that Oregon athletics and their fanbase more arrogant and egotistical than UW would even dream of being. I actually thought this comment was remarkably funny, it just looks bad that it is coming from the Washington AD. It would be more acceptable if it was trash talk from a player. But he is representing that University. yet something tells me the only criticism that comment will get is from annoyed duck fans because of the mutual hate between the 2 schools.
Not sure what sort of bad experience you've had with UO fans, but...
but this:
their fanbase more arrogant and egotistical than UW would even dream of being.is not possible. Granted that some of the band-wagon-jumping fans from recent years are assholes, but the core of our fanbase is anything but arrogant. Hell, none of us can believe we’re 9-0 and never even imagined it, except in our wildest dreams.
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Don't forget baby seal killers!
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I love this article.
“As I’ve said before, I hope Washington loses every game in every sport for the rest of eternity.” Priceless.
And yes the guy is pompous. If I was a reporter I would ask one questions…How did you get to the game? No doubt it was a private freaking jet. This guy does not care about academics he is just trying to divert attention away from the fact that the so called savior of UW Sark along with his son Jake can’t put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
Personally I think Sark will get it done, but I wonder how much he hates working under this guy!
This is a fun thread ...
… because it’s now open season on UW football. Schadenfreude time on CougCenter.
Remember the "Have and have not's" comment?
Woodward is who he is. I’m not naive enough to not admit that there are “have’s” and “have not’s” and that the state of Oregon has been in trouble for a long time in terms of public funding. You just don’t make the kind of comments Woodward makes unless you have tied one on before opening your mouth.
After a National search they decide to hire and go with the guy who was there all along. Is it any wonder this guy is a bag of hot something?
Scott Woodward....
is a schmuck.
Like other losers in government institutions, Mr Soft Wood finds it easier to bitch about the competition rather than focusing on his responsibilities (and failures).
Want embarrassment?
When Nate Costa went down with another knee injury, ending a great man’s career at Oregon during that drubbing of the Mutts, a UW coach turned and looked at the Oregon crowd and did the ‘crying motion’ with both hands then offered a middle finger.
That’s embarrassing. Softwood should focus on that for a few minutes, instead of wondering about budgets at a school that doesn’t pay him to wonder about budgets.
And… btw, softwood… UW must be ranked at least in the top 5 in the country for their academic performance. Considering how pathetically poor the teams are, and the infrastructure is, at UW. Virtually every dollar and every bit of energy must be going to academics.
So … where does your school rate, eh softwood??
this has been highly entertaining
the tension is palpable!
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by Cougz4Life509 on Nov 8, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
At least stay on topic
If you want to whine about the disrespect of injured players there is a lovely thread on that over at UW Dawg Pound.
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by Harry the Husky on Nov 8, 2010 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
That did not happen.
…not a single duck fan who thinks it happened could come up with a clip, a name or a vague physical description of the alleged perpetrator.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
In fact, the middle finger is an embellishment that you just added to this hoax
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
Yeah, that one's gaining steam ...
… no one’s produced anything other than an ever-expanding description of … what? I assume that the author’s hate for gov’t workers extends to Oregon’s athletic department as well? Or do gov’t losers only work at UW?
"In my mind it's a wonderful athletic facility but they've watched it at the expense of the university go really down."
Correct me if I’m wrong, but haven’t their athletics facilities gone so bonkers because of their fan base? I doubt the state was just shoveling money into the athletic department. I like how when he was asked about the athletic facilities, he critiqued their academics, and said that the UW is all about being better at everything, especially at academics. So essentially an AD, said yeah UO has a better athletics department, but our academics are great. Way to go sucking at your job.
Keep in mind
I haven’t seen this talked about in any artical I have read on this issue, but the Oregon Athletic department is completly self sufficiant, and take no funding fromt he state, so all state funding goes directly to academics
Is this a teachable moment?
All of you guys have tried so hard to educate Gekko Mojo that I think his fingers are in his ears and he is just saying lalalalalala.
I will give one attempt to try and “learn” he and his buddies who may just be trolling.
Let’s try some facts:
Oregon is an AAU school. One of only 61 in the US.
The UO Athletic Department is self funded. This is a moving target every year – but usually less than 30 schools get to make that claim.
Nike (Phil Knight is the Chairman) signed a contract in 2008 to give nearly $40M over 10 years to the University of Washington.
We can argue about how stupid, misinformed, arrogant, envious, or even bitter Scotty’s statements were; but I think even the most tainted Husky can admit the statements were unprofessional.
My apologies to Coug Nation for infiltrating your space. I am just trying to help.
I promise to get out of the way now.
I have never none this site to limit who participates
It is nice seeing other schools. That is why I like Gekko Mojo, even though I think he is horribly wrong in his interpretation of this particular situation he is always polite and conversation provoking.
The other schools help to create an environment that makes Mondays just a little more fun.
I didn't say that the comments were not bungled,
… but I offered the explanation of how I interpreted them the first time I heard them. You can argue that my interpretation is wrong, but I don’t see how your interpretation is any more valid than mine – especially since the “he’s a jerk” argument appears to have no motive or “what’s in it for him” behind it.
I think ardent fans are always looking for a reason to be pissed off at a rival, just like this fiction of a UW coach taunting an injured Costa … and now you have found it. Have fun with it.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
I didn't make either argument
I listened to what he said and went, really?? Why?? But to me it is simple, you cling to what you have going for you. UW has an awesome graduation rate! There is no arguing that, but it is hard for UO and USC to do that when they are sending so many players to the pros at a young age. Let’s face it, the Pac-10 from a academic stand point has a lot of parity outside of Stanford. They are all great research institutions with their own chosen specialties. The Pac-10 is a great academic conference, I could see him saying that about an SEC team, but UO, come on get real that is a good school.
I believe he has a lot of cannons pointed at his head and he is going to try to parlay conversation to academics and then to bball very quickly.
But as far as this conversation goes, what he said was wrong. Given the opportunity I bet dollars to donuts that he would not have said it given another chance.
Woodward's comments are both hilarious and ironic...
when one considers that the success of our Athletic programs (specifically football) have increased enrollment at Oregon dramatically, particularly from students out of our State. Out-of-State tuition is a HUGE source of funding for all things academic. This point is lost on both him and Rachel Bachman.
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The money's there ...
… your out of state tuition is on the rise. I couldn’t find enrollment numbers for percentage of out of staters. But yeah, about what, $8,000 a year for in state, around $24,000 for out of state? The more people that pay out of state tuition, the better, as far as Oregon’s coffers are concerned.
I’m not sure how this ties into Woodward’s statement, though. I couldn’t find a decent connection between football success and an uptick in out of state enrollment. Maybe you can? I wasn’t trying very hard, as my success would’ve helped prove your point. That would be way too much cooperation between a Husky and a Duck.
Anecdotal evidence
I was a part of the biggest Freshman class in WSU history at the time (this is a WSU blog after all) and guess what fall that was? 1998. The year after Leaf and the Rose Bowl. I believe it was also the biggest out of state class in our history at the time. I know I had multiple friends at WSU that were out of state students.
I’m not going to look up Oregon’s stats, but there is definately evidence out there that good football improves student numbers and exposure out of state. If they play for the national title this year I bet the next few years will be record applications and classes.
1998 was enormous
This is why the general public at large need to understand the impact athletics has on the university at large. Cal referenced that in trying to figure out what sports to cut to try and balance its sports budget, sports have a great impact on giving to other parts of the school.
That's fair
I think the percentage of out of staters has the biggest financial impact, as their tuition is much higher. A school can only educate a finite number of students per term before class sizes become unbearably high, so increased enrollment only benefits a school that’s operating under its capacity. An increased number of applicants probably increases the number of high level, smarty pants applicants — this helps the academic reputation of the university, but probably isn’t affected by the football exposure. And I understand that there are many types of “good” college applicants, not just the 4.0 GPA / valedictorian types.
What I’m getting at is, I suppose that a big class doesn’t necessarily help a university, but a high quality class does — assuming that the university doesn’t have empty spots left to fill.
I'll see your laziness in fact-checking.
I’m recalling a report from the UO about how both overall enrollment and out-of-state enrollment started going up dramatically following the ‘94 Rose Bowl and 2001 Fiesta Bowl appearances. There’s a very direct correlation between athletic success and enrollment numbers. As for the comparison of percentage of OOS vs in-state and its relationship to athletics…well, my Google-fu has failed me. Anecdotes will have to do this time.
"It’s great with these group of guys. There is no panic in them." --Chip Kelly, Clearly NOT talking about members of ATQ.
Anecdotes it is.
I’ll take it. I tried to find UO enrollment numbers, but they’re hard to pin down. I will restate that increased enrollment only does a university any good if it’s under capacity or has added space. Higher percentage of out of state enrollment is good for the finances though, as is an increased number of applicants.
Let's hope he doesn't get fired....
UW having historical staffing of goofballs is very cheap entertainment. I regret they have such a class act in Romar as bball coach as that takes the fun out of it. Woodward was a sleazy southern lobbyist and still is and that is being kind to the south.
My Translation (Arrogant Dufus to Appropriate Dimwit)
“Yeah, Oregon has some really nice athletic facilities. By the way, their academics are in really bad shape because the state doesn’t give them enough money. You know, UW’s atheltic facilities are in really bad shape because Washington doesn’t give US enough money. Pretty soon, we’ll have really bad athletics and academics. We really need more money from the state.”
In other news...
While I may or may not agree that the school is an embarrassment, this court is an embarrassment on the level of Eastern’s red turf. Horrible.

Cougar Football 2010: *FOCUSTENSITY!*
@JeffDCollier - PSN-Colltrain
Deep In the Woods
Last time I was in Eugene, I wasn’t in the middle of a forest.
Freaky like my lady pyramid!
Saying "I'm sorry you feel that way" isn't an apology
I learned that when I was 8.
Apparently the UW President agrees that it was unprofessional
because he’s told Woodward to apologize to UO.
Seattle Times: Pres tells Woodward to apologize
"A bad day at the track is better than a good day at the office."
Yeah, I know...typo
I doubt she’ll care.
"A bad day at the track is better than a good day at the office."

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