APPLE CUP 2010: Personal Reflections On The Weekend And Paul Wulff
It's not like I ever really forget how awesome of a place WSU is. But when it takes a couple of years to make the trip back to Pullman, sometimes it sort of smacks you in the face.
Such was the case for me this weekend, when, as I was tailgating with BigWood before the football game, I turned to my wife and said, "I don't even really care if we lose today! I've had such an awesome time being back in Pullman, nothing could ruin this weekend." Of, course, I was only mostly telling the truth -- I did care if we won, and the handful of beers I had already consumed at that point were talking a bit.
But the sentiment was sincere: Pullman is an amazing place, and it never ceases to amaze me that it still feels like home after all these years.
Despite the unfortunate outcomes of the two games, I can't even begin to describe what an amazing time I had coming home. I'm not one typically prone to hyperbole, but getting to hang out with so many friends and meet a handful of CougCenter readers while getting to witness two exciting games was more than I could have asked for. BigWood was a gracious host, it turns out B-Lot Tailgater and I have some things in common, Woolybugger is a great guy, and DesMoines is a loud fan! (I think that's everyone I met. If I've forgotten anyone, my apologies.)
Anyway, it was great. I would have liked a win or two, but when I have forgotten the outcomes of the games I will remember the people. So thanks for all that.
If you're interested, here are some brief thoughts from my perspective on the games and the retention of Paul Wulff.
Wulff
I started off the year proclaiming my belief in Paul Wulff. Then, like many of you, I proceeded to ride an emotional roller coaster for the next three months, ranging from wanting the whole staff fired on the spot after Montana State, to feeling great after Oregon, to wanting them fired again after ASU to feeling great after Oregon State.
I tried to keep as much of this waffling off the site as possible because I try to project an image of stability and objectivity as much as possible, but deep down I'm a fan just like you. I want to win. I'm not proud of my internal flip-flopping, as I usually pride myself in being levelheaded. But when it feels like there's never going to be any end to the losing, it can be tough.
So there I was, after the game yesterday, wondering if I thought Wulff should get one more year. Of course, there were the ridiculous play calls, as there have been at times this year -- the 4th-and-1 pass with only one viable receiving option, the all-out-blitz with a safety playing corner on UW's best receiver with no safety help, etc. But there was also the resiliency these guys have shown all season, coming back from two-touchdown deficits three different times to tie the game with just 4:20 to go.
After the game, I settled on a sort of cop out, resolving that whatever Bill Moos decided would be fine by me. I could see incredibly compelling arguments for both, and I was mostly glad I wasn't the one in charge.
But then I had a little conversation with my wife this morning. We were talking about Tony Bennett. How he came up isn't important, but I was trying to explain to her why we have such disdain for him -- or, more accurately, his decision to leave. I said that every coach says the sorts of things Bennett said ("I want to build something special here," "Pullman is a great place to live and raise a family," etc.), but that most of the time we assume they're full of crap. We believed Bennett for myriad reasons, and when he left, we felt like he jilted us -- he obviously didn't believe those things.
Wulff says many of the same things. But there's no doubt that he actually believes it. He's a Coug through and through, and if WSU were to offer him a lifetime contract tomorrow, he'd take it without even blinking. This is his dream job, and he wants nothing more than to build and preside over a winner here. All the stuff we love about Pullman? He loves it too.
Which got me thinking: After generations of lamenting about how WSU is a stepping-stone job in all sports, why are we so freaking quick to want to run off a guy who wants to be here?
I understand the results of the last three years have been terrible. But Paul Wulff is a great guy who is one of us, and as such should get every benefit of the doubt. In my mind, the potential payoff from seeing one more year is so much greater than the potential damage that could be done. But even if you think it's a coin flip, Wulff's history with the university should tilt the scales in his favor.
It's undeniable that the Cougs made huge strides this year. We'll find out next year whether Wulff and his staff truly have the chops to get a talented group of youngsters over the hump, but I think what they've done this year has earned them the right to try.
The Apple Cup
I tend to get a little upset when my teams lose. But I honestly wasn't all that upset about losing to UW -- which was an odd feeling. The Cougs were far from perfect, but in so many ways, they played a hell of a game. To keep getting off the mat time and time again despite the Huskies' best shots shows just how much this team has grown in the last couple of years.
And if there was any question whether Jeff Tuel is a star in the making, those questions should be answered now. Completing better than 70 percent of his passes for nearly 300 yards (which, incidentally, he would have gotten HAD THE STUPID OFFICIAL MADE THE RIGHT CALL ON JARED KARSETTER'S CATCH IN THE FIRST PLACE) and three touchdowns? Simply awesome.
If the Cougs had somehow kicked the game away, I'd feel differently. But I don't feel like that was the case -- I feel like a Washington team that's pretty talented in certain spots and desperate for a bowl appearance made the plays it needed to when it needed to make them. As much as I wish ill will on the Huskies as much as humanly possible, I can't begrudge them that. They basically beat us with three guys. One of them is leaving, thank goodness.
That said, I saw a WSU team that's thisclose to breaking through. The team that was so thoroughly outclassed a year ago battled what was supposed to be a much better UW team down to the wire. It's pretty obvious that WSU has made greater strides this year than UW did, and that's incredibly encouraging.
I think big things are on the horizon for next year. I won't say that it's bowl or bust, because it's really tough to get there -- the Huskies showed that yesterday. But this team is going to make some noise.
K-State
Brian and Craig covered the relevant points of this one well, so I'll just leave it at this: There is so much to be encouraged about after that performance.
I understand the frustration with Klay Thompson's seeming disappearance in big games. But I want you to think back to last season's losses to KSU and Gonzaga. In both of those games, the Cougs were simply outmanned. I know they led against the Bulldogs most of the way, but it was pretty clear that the better team took over in the end.
There was no such feeling Friday. Does it suck that they couldn't close the deal? Absolutely. You only get so many chances to make an impression with big wins, and that one was certainly there for the taking.
But rather than lamenting that cling to the fact that we absolutely looked like we belonged on the same floor with the Wildcats. It wasn't a fluke we stayed with them. Heck, it was more of a fluke that we didn't win if you believe that the 39.5 eFG% was more bad luck than KSU defense. We put up an OR% that tied the highest mark of any KSU opponent and the TO% was lower than every KSU opponent not named Duke.
And the defense! That, without a doubt, is the finest performance of the Ken Bone era. I have a preconceived hatred for zone defenses, but it was effective in every way except defensive rebounding. And when we went man-to-man, we stayed effective. Marcus Capers was amazing on Jacob Pullen, and the pair of Brock Motum and DeAngelo Casto was sort of a fun and mildly effective combination.
I know it's hard to keep perspective, but remember that there are still opportunities to get good wins. The next one comes on Wednesday.
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WSU has made greater strides this year than UW???
You stated that WSU has made greater strides than the UW. The conference standings don’t support that. UW is at the end of year 2 of their rebuilding program and 3rd in the conference and bowl bound. WSU is at the end of year 3 of their rebuilding program and last in the conference. I believe that both programs are headed in the right direction but one is obviously ahead of the other.
UW was in an entirely different place talent wise at the intiation of the rebuilding phase.
The distance WSU had to cover to move from level X—>Y was considerably larger than UW. So yes, its fair I think to say they’ve made greater strides.
This is the point I was trying to make
And didn’t word very well. We made huge strides from the end of game 12 last year to the end of game 12 this year — bigger strides than Washington, I think. But if UW fans want to respectfully disagree, then I’m fine with that.
I can see where jhayes is coming from ...
… but I’m a Husky. Cougs had less to work with at the start of their rebuild, along with tougher recruiting conditions. Huskies have broken through to a bowl in year 2. If we’re just talking about this year …. hard for me to say, and I’ve actually thought about this before. Both teams went +1 on wins from 2009. As a Husky, I was disappointed in our overall record this year, largely due to my inflated expectations … honestly, I’d be happy if we’d just beat BYU to go 7-5 instead. As for the Cougs, who I follow semi-regularly, they’ve definitely surprised me with their competitive games and disappointed with the blowouts. Seeing as the two teams started at different points at the end of 2009, this is a difficult argument for me to reason through. It also starts more fights on CougCenter than most other topics.
by Jeff in MD on Dec 6, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
C'mon man..
You guys have undoubtedly improved since your 0-12 season but I’d be hard pressed to say you’ve improved much from last year, even with your 1 extra win. Two of your final three wins came against terrible offenses (the Cal game was ugly) and the other against a terrible run defense and you squeaked one out against OSU on a questionable coaching call by the beavs.
There is no way you can argue that the Cougs haven’t closed the gap. We played tough against teams that dominated us last year, improved in most statistical categories, and played you guys to the final minute.
by tclaus on Dec 6, 2010 12:03 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Sure you guys are coming on, but this argument is nonsensical
WE PLAYED THE SAME TEAMS.
To suggest that our W’s are fluky while your losses are tough and signs of progress doesnt really carry the argument.
Actually, trying to compare who made MORE progress is a silly exercise. Rebuids of this nature are never linear and are usually marked by the achievement of major milestones like major upsets, big recruiting gets and … bowl games
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
He's not suggesting your wins are fluky
He’s saying that, before the season, you guys were expected to win those games. Except maybe the USC game, and you probably were expected to win a few you lost. The Cougs were not really expected by anyone to even be competitive.
Of course, the whole argument is, as you say, a silly exercise. It’s definitely subjective. But the perception around here is that you guys expected a Heisman-type year from Locker and eight or nine wins, so in that sense you didn’t make much progress. Again, a completely subjective way to look at it. I have no problem with a Husky argument that their program is improving faster.
"I mean I was like, okay, there you go, you wanna hit me? There you go, one pitch for you. You don't get it? You have no chance." ~ Felix Hernandez
I don't want to speak for Nuss but I think he was talking about strides from 09-10 not in terms of the overall rebuild.
I think that is pretty obvious looking at some stats:
UW 2009: 5-7 (4-5) 375.5 YPG, 26.1 PPG, +13 Point differential
UW 2010: 6-6 (5-4) 364.4 YPG, 22.1 PPG, -109 Point differential
WSU 2009: 1-11 (0-9) 248.6 YPG, 12.0 PPG, -318 Point Differential
WSU 2010: 2-10 (1-8) 330.2 YPG, 19.6 PPG, -195 Point Differential
Pretty clear WSU made a bigger leap (although they had further to go) than UW from last year to this year. You could argue that UW was BETTER last year, but lost a couple of close games which they won this year.
by Mark Sandritter on Dec 6, 2010 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
I think you could easily make that argument. I feel that way
… But the Holiday bowl gives us an opportunity to erase that argument.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
Or further compound that argument
You’ve played Nebraska once, didn’t really go well. Have you improved enough since the first meeting to cover 31 points?
It’s unfortunate for UW that teams 3-9 in the Pac-10 cannibalized each other, they’d be much better off in a lower bowl.
I hope that UW does play up
That prior Nebraska game was a blowout. But after all of the crap that Locker has gone through playing for UW I am in a way glad that he will get a bowl game to finish up with. Even though he took really bad advise from his coach last year in returning.
As for progress. WSU exceeded horrible expectations while UW missed their expectations. It is kind of like a handicap in golf. In that way WSU made some believers. However, over 2 seasons UW has improved more.
But I must admit, watching UW pull it together in winning some close ones at the end of the year was impressive. They earned their bowl game by playing well at the end! I am a proud Coug fan, but I will root them on in their bowl game.
But I won’t wear purple because that is still a very feminine color.
Nah, I'm pretty sure he meant your purple.
Cougcenter OG
by J.J. FeKl on Dec 6, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Simply wow. You must hang out with Jeremy Brewer of the Times.
Improvement? We need to find you a dictionary. If I was a husky, I would be going nuts right now. 1st rd NFL QB and you are 6-6 in a Pac-10 that is horrific outside of Stanford and Oregon? Don’t worry you will come to your senses after the Holiday Bowl because clearly you are still not seeing right as of yet.
Remember you beat us 30-0 last year and this year you needed a fake punt as well felt the need to go for it on 4th down 3 times!!
Either you are regressing or staying the same. Locker made a huge throw to Kearse which he never hits. A sideline go route in the corner of the end zone. Congrats on the win, and somehow the delusional results that have followed. You will be calling for Sark’s head shortly. He made some of the dumbest calls in the AC. He acted like a 1st yr highschool coach in his decision making. If you cannot see that, I am sure some of your objective Husky buds will help you see it.
We have made huge leaps in improvement. Of course, some of us will argue why such a drastic amount of improvement from game 1 to game 12. I believe the staff had more to do with establishing the bottom we were in at the start of the season then the players.
by ptowncoug3012 on Dec 6, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure that according to a dictionary
Going 6-6 a year after going 5-7 qualifies as improvement.
You did make one good point that I’m surprised no one else is bringing up in this very silly argument. If we’re talking about the relative improvement of these two teams since last years AC, I don’t think you have to look much further than the scores of the two games.
huh?
So Yaardsma makes the point that our point differential is 123 points better than last year, and yours is 122 worse that last you. You response by saying, good argument " But the Holiday bowl gives us an opportunity to erase that argument". I guess you are right, it is always possible that you guys could outscore Nebraska 145-0.
The point is, I think ...
… that your team is 2 – 10 after going 1 – 11. Ours is 6 – 6 after going 5 – 7. The point differential shows that UW got blown out when losing, and WSU got blown out less than 2009 when losing.
I love your Apple Cup logic, ptowncoug: UW beats WSU by less, therefore WSU is improving and UW is not. Recall that most of the WSU team was on crutches for the 09 AC, which WSU fans usually point out immediately.
Award Banquet
WSU wins most improved
UW wins best team
UW wins best record
None of it matters. UW won this year, if we beat them the argument would be the other way. Time to move onto next year and regain focus, because I bet this team is tired of morale victories. I know I am, most improved is the last morale victory that we can win.
Now it is time for actual victories and for fans to start opening their wallets. Starting with me, I am now donating $30 per win. $60 this year to my Cougs. Next year who knows, but I would gladly pay $300 for a 10 win season. Wouldn’t you?
Since I'm a Dawg fan, I'd pay ... well ...
… if it meant an 11-1 season, with the “1” being us, then $330. The check’s in the mail.
Seriously, though, the “who’s improved more” argument is tiresome. I am content with the above scenario, an 11-1 WSU team.
The funny thing is that the "who's improved more" argument had nothing to do with my original point.
Look, I'm not Ernest Hemingway, but ...
… this:
“It’s pretty obvious that WSU has made greater strides this year than UW did, and that’s incredibly encouraging.”
sounds like you’re comparing who’s improved more. I don’t mind the argument, but it’s going to be just that — an argument. UW made it to a bowl. Improvement! WSU’s point differential’s down. Improvement! Jake Locker has a new haircut. Improvement! Jeff Tuel can bench more than last year. Improvement!
Again, I don’t mind the discussion, but it was started by that passage of the original article, as well as your first post. But that’s why everyone’s commenting and reading here … discussion. So good job, even if you’re back away from your original statements.
I think Nuss is saying
He wrote 1 sentence that was a bit of a throwaway comment in a post over 20 paragraphs long. That sentence wasn’t supposed to be the starting point for all discussion on the post, it was just meant to say that while both teams are improving we may have improved by more.
Not to put words in his mouth, but he would also probably say that coming into this year we had much much more room to improve. But both programs are on their way up, we were just still pretty close to rock bottom when the year started at OK State.
Pretty much
The idea is that WSU’s great improvement is evidence that Paul Wulff has earned another year. UW was just a convenient comparative given the rivalry and the recent completion of the Apple Cup. It really wasn’t meant to be some sort of referendum on the progress of both programs.
Like I said earlier up, if UW fans want to disagree, I won’t argue, because it’s just not really germane to this post.
And your same brethern were and still are ready to throw
Sark under the bus.
I mean honestly you are satisfied with 6-6! Wow! You guys should have been 8-4 or 9-3, but I guess you are right 5-7 to 6-6 is equivalent to go going from 1 win to 2 wins.
You right this debate is ridculous, particularrly when you are pretending that you are not upset with a 6-6 record with a senior qb who was to be the savior of the program and take you to either the RB or the BCS title game, or both.
Regrettably, Locke’s tenure has been a complete failure. I feel bad for the kid. He is a quality kid, too bad that most Husky fans are saying good riddance to him.
by ptowncoug3012 on Dec 6, 2010 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
Now how on earth would you know how I feel, other than ...
… what I said on here? How am I pretending? Clearly you can read my mind, so what am I having for lunch? This discussion is clearly over, since it’s digressed to this.
Kirt- obviously a bowl win against a top team would make this season an unqualified success no matter what point differential looks like.
That is the opportunity I speak of. Do you disagree?
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
I disagree not!
That game is very much key for your program. Lets face it, Sarkesian is only as good as the publicity that he keeps going. He is a USC guy with connections and is an excellent recruiter. But Willingham was also a good recruiter. But recruiting will start to drop if he can’t beat expectation on the field.
He and his staff is very highly paid so next year is very important for Sark et al. He has some really good guys returning, but he is losing his golden goose. What will happen next year is probably more important that the bowl.
So no, I do not disagree that this game can be viewed as a sign of success.
Three JC recruits committed this weekend
Anyone know who the other two are? From Seattle Times:
Wulff said the Cougars added three junior college commitments over the weekend, bringing to 22 their number for the 2011 season, or close to a full class.
By the way, it was wonderful to meet another fan as loud as me
Sorry you had to hear my running commentary the entire game. That’s what my wife has to put up with.
I'm usually a fairly calm person at sporting events outside of this school.
But for some reason every single game I go to at WSU gets me riled up. I think it’s those darn Pac 10 refs that I despise so much that do it to me.
Freaky like my lady pyramid!
This weekend really cemented...
MY HATRED OF ALL THINGS PURPLE! K-STATE INCLUDED! PURPLE GATORADE! PURPLE EVERYTHING!
"If anyone epitomized Cougar grit and courage, Jason Gesser did that." - Bob Robertson
i thought it was lighthearted and they were cheered when they finished
felt bad for the girls at first but was more puzzled at why a dance instructor would allow those uniforms in that arena.
exactly
wheres the contingency planning? They have to have another outfit, right?
by spencer peaty on Dec 6, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Purple Children not so much
: 0 I was at home Friday watching the game, so not guilty!
"If anyone epitomized Cougar grit and courage, Jason Gesser did that." - Bob Robertson
Purple Children not so much
: ) I was at home Friday watching the game, so not guilty!
"If anyone epitomized Cougar grit and courage, Jason Gesser did that." - Bob Robertson
Some other thoughts......
What was the story on Mizell. He played very little the whole game and when in looked lethargic. He then ended up injured near the end.
Also the reffing. While they ended up getting most every call correct the amount of game stoppages was sure a momentum killer. Some of the reviews were not even necessary like Wilsons TD grab. If they can’t see that it’s time to move on to a new proffession.
Also someone asked about 3 recruits above with no answer. Any ideas? Hopefully they are all about 6’5" and weigh about 300lbs because anytime you give up 280 yards rushing that is a problem.
But Pullman was a blast again and it was nice to finally see a real crowd there.
Mizell was injured in the beginning, in the first series I think.
Tried to play again but couldn’t.
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Good to meet the Cougcenter guys
Don’t think I met anyone besides the writers, but if I did, it was nice to meet you too.
The tailgate was insane. So much fun.
BTW: Olympia + whiskey + Four Loko + Rainier = Flu on monday
how much beer did you drink?
Woolybugger is a great guy
Nice to meet you. It was a great weekend \ tailgate….
The lack of defensive rebounding really bothered me in the WSU vs. KSU game.
And I haven’t read up on how great KSU is at forcing turnovers, but if what I read here is true in that Duke was the only team that committed less turn overs against the Wildcats, then that makes me a lot happier, because the amount of turnovers WSU committed was the another thing that really bothered me about the WSU vs. KSU game.
The third thing that bothered me was Klay missing both technically free throws. BAH! He just doesn’t do that… he’s suppose to be our perfect free-throw gem like he was in 08-09 (% wise, not his ability to get to the line which has certainly improved over the seasons.)
There were fewer turnovers in that game overall than you think.
KSU typically forces a lot, and our final number of 21.5 is right at the national average. It was more than we’ve had, but certainly not anything terrible.
I think the defensive rebounding will get a little better, but it’s going to be a struggle this year. The good news is that you can attribute that mess to two things: 1) K-State is the best offensive rebounding team we’ll face all year; 2) Most of those OR came in the zone, which is a defensive set much more vulnerable to offensive rebounds. Bad combination.
Glad you made it back Nuss
Glad you got back to Pullman to experience a game again and remember what Pullman is all about. I hope you can see why some of us were so opposed to moving the Apple Cup to Qwest every year. It just wouldn’t be the same. The tailgating was again great this weekend, unfortunately both games were just heartbreakers. I guess that is much better than two beatdowns, but I still don’t feel very good about either one. Sorry I didn’t meet any of you, got busy in my own tailgate. Met a lot of new Cougs and a couple of UW fans at our tailgate this weekend. It is a long time until next season, hopefully the b-ball team can pull out a win Wednesday to give us all some positive energy right now.
This might be a touch off topic, but
I love that uni combo with the gray helmet and all crimson top and pants.
by Michael The Coug on Dec 7, 2010 11:08 AM PST reply actions
This is true.
And I’ll be more of a fan of all-crimson uniforms when we don’t have that lame almost fire-engine red color anymore.
I think
That the Cougs will go 6-6 next year. After going 2-10 thats a huge improvement, even with a easier schedule.
What goes up must come down.
Sorry Duck fans
by Neil Vincent Roberts on Dec 7, 2010 8:15 PM PST reply actions
Cougs had a good year for their talent, lets show our school spirit,
I Agree Cougs are .500 or better next year. FYI Please show your coug football team spirit by uploading and voting on a newly released Free app on the iPhone/iPod touch where you can vote for your favorite college football team. Just search favorite college and it will come up. My friends and I have been voting to get us to the top into the top #10. I want to spread the word to get us #1. We did not have had the best football team this year but we/I have never been short on loyalty. Pass this on to other Cougar students and Alumni. I am Coug Alumni 1988…GO Cougs!
by FavoriteCollegeT on Dec 10, 2010 10:05 AM PST reply actions

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