Marquess Wilson Screwed By Pac-10 Coaches
by Jeff Nusser on Dec 7, 2010 12:03 PM PST
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PrintSo, the Pac-10 announced its all-conference selections today, and there was an incredibly notable oversight. Let me compare two players for you.
| G | Rec. | Yards | Avg. | TD | Rec./G | Yards/G | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Player A | 12 | 55 | 1006 | 18.29 | 6 | 4.6 | 83.8 |
| Player B | 13 | 64 | 786 | 12.28 | 6 | 4.9 | 60.5 |
Player A is WSU's Marquess Wilson. Player B is USC's Robert Woods, whom the coaches chose as their Freshman Offensive Player Of The Year.
The Seattle Times' Bob Condotta and I had a brief Twitter discussion about the coaches' voting philosophy, and he said that coaches factor in who scares them more -- who they have to worry about game planning for. I get that. I also get that Woods returned kicks. But c'mon -- there is no possible way any rational person can argue that Woods had a better year. If you want to bring the returns into the conversation, OK. I'll see that and raise it being thrown to by a QB who was sacked more than 50 times in an offense that had absolutely no credible threat of a running game.
I'm probably making too big of a deal out of this. In fact, I know I am. But I feel bad for Wilson, who deserved this recognition. In what was a tough season for players and fans, this would have been something we could celebrate.
As expected, there were no other Cougs on the first or second team, but Reid Forrest, B.J. Guerra, Jared Karsetter, Travis Long, Tyree Toomer, Jeff Tuel, Zack Williams and Wilson were all named to as honorable mentions, meaning they appeared on at least one ballot.
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He was screwed
He should have won this award going away. At least we know who was the best freshman in the Pac-10 better than most schools sport information director.
When you are in 10 place
This kind of thing is pretty typical.
All of those 100-yard games from Woods must have really put fear in opposing coaches.
Oh wait, he only had two of them, while MQW had five.
Woods had two monster games where he racked up 19 catches 340 yards and 5 TDs. The rest of his season: 46 catches, 452 yards, 1 TD, 41.1 YPG or also known as Jeffrey Solomon numbers.
by Mark Sandritter on Dec 7, 2010 12:35 PM PST reply actions
You would think that if he was an offensive weapon, he wouldn't disappear in 10 of 12 games
Wilson was a factor in pretty much every one of our games.
Wow!
That is a huge steaming pile of S#@! !!! Pac-10 should be ashamed of themselves! The team’s standing should have absolutely nothing to do with these types of awards. Nusser, your not making a big deal of it. It deserves to be addressed.When was the last time we had a impact freshman like Marquees Wilson? It’s like the voters are like OH USC next to his name, he’s got my vote. Those are some great stats Yaaaardsma.
"If anyone epitomized Cougar grit and courage, Jason Gesser did that." - Bob Robertson
While it is true that Woods is a scarier talent ...
… Wilson did get screwed.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
I have to add...
Player A also did not have the chance to play against the WSU defense.
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by Craig Powers on Dec 7, 2010 12:48 PM PST via mobile reply actions 9 recs
And for the record:
Name cat yds avg td long
M. Wilson 7 59 8.4 0 18
R. Woods 2 32 16.0 1 21
That’s head-to-head in the USC-WSU game.
Cougcenter OG
Baffling
Wilson was indeed robbed. Also Toomer over Buchanon? Odd. I thought Reid should be first team as well.
When the Cougs have someone, anyone in the all conference lists in the trenches, then and only then will the Cougs ‘be back’. Go Cougs
If you can't Go Cougs... don't go.
Agree, but...
I’m pretty sure Kenny Alfred made this last year.
"I mean I was like, okay, there you go, you wanna hit me? There you go, one pitch for you. You don't get it? You have no chance." ~ Felix Hernandez
Travis Long also made the honorable mention list this year
Playing with one arm. And I’m not even joking. Long played with just one good shoulder ALL season.
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The driver of the Deone Bucannon bandwagon agrees with this!
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So that was you I saw driving this weekend.
by Mark Sandritter on Dec 7, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 10 recs
Thought about doing a gif almost exactly like this.
Then I figured you’d just do it anyway, and better too.
Cougcenter OG
AWESOME!
Cracked me up!
If you can't Go Cougs... don't go.
by hollyweirdcoug on Dec 7, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
I bet the clincher was this line
“[Woods] returned 38 kicks for 971 yards (25.6 yard average) – both school records – and one touchdown.”
You could rephrase that to say Woods had the best kick return year of any player in USC history. In that light, comparing him to Reggie Bush isn’t unreasonable. It also adds more credence to the notion that coaches had to gameplan for him.
I have sympathy for Wilson but as an avid NCAA ’xx player I am used to the concept of versatility trumping statistics for award recognition. I had a CB who won the Heisman because he set records in sacks, punt return yards, and touchdowns (he was also my Y receiver). I know you all care deeply about this.
"I mean I was like, okay, there you go, you wanna hit me? There you go, one pitch for you. You don't get it? You have no chance." ~ Felix Hernandez
True
Maybe it’s because there isn’t a special teams award, the coaches decided kickoff returns help the offense?
"I mean I was like, okay, there you go, you wanna hit me? There you go, one pitch for you. You don't get it? You have no chance." ~ Felix Hernandez
Umm I think it's offensive freshman of the year right?
Not special teams freshman of the year? Ok just wondering.
Freaky like my lady pyramid!
We can rub it in the Pac-12's faces
when Wilson lights up Idaho State opening weekend next year for infinity touchdowns and a gajillion yards.
Freaky like my lady pyramid!
Hopefully this just pisses him off and he goes for 1200 next year
"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."
In 2010, Jeter won a gold glove!
It's a Casio on a plastic beach
by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Dec 7, 2010 4:52 PM PST reply actions
In all honesty
You’re probably right on this, but at the same time, it’s the Pac-10 Frosh POY award.
I’ll take a bowl game and an additional month to the season.
But we also knew that probably wasn't going to happen for us this year
If they were serious about rewarding Woods, then it should have at least been a co-freshman of the year deal.
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Oh wow, I forgot about that.
I did absolutely terrible. I had Stoops as Coach of the Year, Quizz as Offensive POTY, and I think Burfict as Defensive POTY? Yuck.
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 8, 2010 2:23 AM PST up reply actions
I had Luck and Paea
although I think there were others that easily could have been picked ahead of Paea
Working on it.
Trying to parse through it all for a post. Unfortunately, I don’t have a ton of free time right now.
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A little off topic...
but, I watched the game on my dvr last night for the first time (I was at the game however) and have to say… I came away really impressed with the VS broadcast. The announcers couldn’t seem to figure out which team was which (ok, they were just bad), but the overall quality was really impressive. Lots of great crowd shots, and some really cool landscape shots between commercials (they even went to Lewiston to get shots of the psychedelic x-mas lights down there). The foggy picture of campus that they kept referring to as “Gotham” was especially sweet. And the audio was awesome. You could hear the bands, chants, Glenn Johnson like you were right there in the stands. If I stuck my feet in a bucket of ice it would have completed the simulation. It’s too bad that it’s an obscure network with low ratings, because I’d love to watch more games on their channel. Heads and shoulders above FSN and their seizure inducing college football theme song. Duh duh duhhh duhhhhhhh…
The picture quality on VS. is nice ...
… the talking heads couldn’t tell the difference between WSU and UW, though. At least there was a dearth of Petros Papadakis. Not a single Petros in the booth.
Or possibly...
Petros “excuse I just ate a bag of glass and still trying to get it down” Papadankis.
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by Craig Powers on Dec 8, 2010 12:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I heard him
on with Softy Satan (sorry, I forgot where I was posting) the other day and every single time he mentioned a past matchup, he followed with “I called that game”. He had to have said “I called that game” 15 times in a 10 minute interview.
for ya'alls...
I loves me some google. (For the record, I’m way too old to ever say something like that again.)
(click)....enhance ....(click)......enhance
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by Brian Floyd on Dec 8, 2010 4:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Someone asked me what channel the game was on:
Me: “Its on Versus.”
Them: “Versus?”
Me: “Yeah. Its that network no one gets that they relegated the NHL to because no one cares about the NHL.”
Them: “Didn’t the game use to be on ABC or ESPN?”
Me: “Yeah, but that was back when the teams were good.”
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It's too bad MW did not get the award.
But if it lights a fire for him in the years to come, that I will take it over the award any day.
Ted Miller just posted Woods as Newcomer of the Year...
…unreal. He also selected Quizz ahead of Polk (gasp) on his all conference team and Paea ahead of Foster (sigh) as his DPOY. On Foster, if a LB can’t win with the stats Foster put up, then no LB can win.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
Miller factored in the return yards
To which I say … well, what if Wilson returned kicks? What if he had 20 returns at a 20 yard average? He smokes Woods going away. Counting return yards as “all purpose” is really stupid. The first 20 are basically free. Give me a break.
Yeah, it's hard for me to say it
but Foster really did deserve it. if he had that same season playing for USC he wins it handily
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