You know who decides games? (Hint: It's not the coach)
Just a quick follow up to Grady's post.
Sports are emotional. We get that. But the blaming that came out during the game thread, in the postgame thread, and on other sites is perhaps my least favorite thing about sports. I think it's just because I always try to be a forward-thinking guy. While blaming someone for an outcome accomplishes little, asking questions about what we can learn from it holds great promise.
But if you still find yourself in the camp that's inclined to blame the coach for last night's collapse, I offer the following analysis from the state's best beat reporter who actually, you know, saw the game:
Blaming this loss on coaching is missing the point. That would be clearer if you had been able to see it. This wasn’t a situation in which a team with a big lead was told to slow it down, milk the clock, play not-to-lose. Quite the contrary. Sure, WSU coach Ken Bone wanted the Cougars to be patient offensively – all game long – and with good reason. Stanford isn’t a very good defensive team. Good shots, easy looks, open lanes, they all would present themselves if WSU took its time. And those opportunities were there in both halves.
But as the game tightened up, so did the Cougars. DeAngelo Casto said it perfectly in the hallway near the locker room after the game: "The offense we were running, I mean, I don’t think the offense changed, we changed as a team. We tried to just shoot (jumpers) a lot."
As I said in the postgame thread, I just generally think a coach's impact on any individual game is overstated. I mean, the players are the ones who decided when and how they were going to shoot, the players are the ones who missed the shots, and the players are the ones who screwed up the defensive assignment on the final possession.
Case in point: Ken Bone has emphasized getting to the line all year long, to the point where we're the 18th-best team in the country at doing so. Did Bone just suddenly tell his guys to stop driving and shoot jumpers? More likely, they just decided they were going to do what they were going to do as Bone watched helplessly from the sideline.
To further underscore my point, if you don't believe Grippi and want to continue to hang on to the idea Bone slowed the game down in the second half with the lead, there's this:
| FIRST HALF Poss: | 32 | SECOND HALF Poss: | 31 | |||||
| OFF | DEF | OFF | DEF | |||||
| Efficiency | 100.3 | 54.7 | Efficiency | 78.5 | 131.9 | |||
| EFG% | 51.8% | 38.1% | EFG% | 40.7% | 76.3% | |||
| OR% | 14.3% | 17.6% | OR% | 28.6% | 22.2% | |||
| TO% | 15.2% | 33.4% | TO% | 18.8% | 18.8% | |||
| FTRoff | 14.3% | 28.6% | FTRoff | 11.1% | 84.2% | |||
One fewer possession in the second half is so small so as to be insignificant. This game was just slow all around -- even as we ran out to the big lead in the first half.
Sometimes you can credit a coach for drawing up a singular brilliant play, or for making a tactical change at just the right time, but you'll almost never be able to convince me that a team won or lost a game based solely on a move that a coach did -- or did not -- make. The most brilliantly designed game plan only works if the players execute. (What's that thing Jim Walden and a lot of coaches like to say?)
Now, you could make the argument that the players' lack of execution is a reflection of the coach, who should have had them better prepared or practiced or something. I think that can be a fair criticism, as I'm as tired as you of youth being continually trotted out as an excuse. However, when a team executes as well as this one does for 20-minute stretches, it tells me they're prepared and that the coaching is getting through. When they follow that up with terrible stretches, it tells me they're not mentally tough enough yet to stick with the plan. And I think that's what we saw last night.
Look, there are plenty of ways this game could have turned out differently. As Grady mentioned, if the offense had been merely average in the second half, as it was in the first half, the defense was good enough -- on the whole -- to win this game. The flip side was also true -- if our defense had been merely average in the second half, the offense wouldn't have mattered. And I just don't think you can pin that on the coach.
I'm not saying Bone's perfect, or that he made all the right moves last night. He himself has admitted mistakes this season, which are to be expected from a coach in his first year in the program with a bunch of guys who are still finding their way individually. But it's a little bit silly to not at least consider the fact that this team has only been as good as it's been because of Bone's coaching. Whenever I try to picture these guys playing Bennett ball, I shudder.
Even so, if you still are inclined to say that Bone should have been able to make this team just two points better last night, I ask you to consider the close win over LSU in Seattle, the close win against Arizona in Tucson, the should-have-been win over Oregon at home, and the close win over Stanford the first time. I don't necessarily believe this, but if you want to lay last night's loss at his feet, don't you have to do the same for those victories as well?
I know we're all tired of hearing that this team is young. I'm as frustrated as you are by the fact that the same inconsistencies show up week after week. But if you expect something dramatically different from this team at this point in the season than what they've shown up until now, you're probably just fooling yourself.
The good news? They've proven to be incredibly resilient all year. And it wouldn't surprise me in the least if we beat Cal tomorrow.
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I think I'm just tired of it all.
Bone is a great coach, we have some great players, and eventually it will all come together. In the meantime, we just have to deal with beating a team tied for first and then following it up with a loss to (arguably) the worst team in the conference.
Its kinda like football. You see good things coming down the road, but the wait is getting old.
And if your a coug
You know what its like and you pump up for the next one.
Go Cougs !
Not too far from what i expected...
I told myself going into the season that this would probably be one of the most frustrating seasons i’ve seen. I figured we would win some we shouldn’t and loose some we shouldn’t and that has held mostly true i believe. I think Ken Bone is learning just as much as the players are this year. I agree with the point that a coaches influence might be a little overstated. Do you think Roy Williams at UNC suddenly forgot how to coach after winning a NC last year?
The only thing i am a little disappointed in was i don’t feel that this team is really improving as the season has gone on. We’ve shown what we’re capable of, but I don’t think that’s who this team is yet. I think it’s a team of good potential, but not necessarily that good yet.
Here’s to hoping we pull off a couple more fun victories this year! Go Cougs!
I think we all got a bit of fools gold early in the season because Klay was so dominant
I do think the team is improving — I think their better stretches are better, if that makes sense. When this team figures out how to put it together, it’s going to be scary for opponents. I’m just not sure it’s going to happen this year.
I can agree with that...
…especially since the teams that we did beat before conference play aren’t nearly as good as we thought they were (LSU, San Diego). What I was really hoping for was that we would continue to get better and put it together the last 10 games or so and make some noise in the Pac-10 tourney and maybe the NIT. But I’m with you, I don’t think it’s gonna happen this year. But it will make me that much more excited for next year!
by sweetdiggite on Feb 12, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
John Wooden
Never coached at all during games. Occasionally he did some subbing and designed some plays. For the most part, he coached them in practice and let them play the game. He did alright as a coach.
I thought about that as I wrote this
But I didn’t really want to put his name next to Bone’s, or seem hyperbolic.
True
Bone doesn’t need to do a ton in games. Right now, he’s pulling guys for discipline and changing up the defense depending on the situation, but by and large things are predetermined. The offensive sets are nearly always the same, save for some certain plays gameplanned ahead of time. The rotations are more or less pre-determined based on matchups.
The only big things changing are defensive matchups (switching guys), and minor offensive changes. At the end of the day, it’s on the players to execute the gameplan and right now they’re having issues
Managerial decisions
I remember reading Bill James’ Baseball Abstract one year discussing the influence of managers. The mid-game, tactical decisions are pretty small, even in baseball.
Where managers and coaches really make a difference is on the work that happens long before any game – assembling the team, fitness, etc.
I'm still trying to understand the lineup complaints from the gallery....
first it was we were playing klay too much. now we lost because he didn’t play him and casto enough?
klay played 16 minutes in the 2nd half. He checked out with about 14 minutes left (we were up by 16) and checked back in around the 10 minute mark (up 11). Stanford made up 5 points in four minutes….is that falling sky material?
casto checked out around the 15 minute mark because he picked up his 3rd foul. bone sat him for the requisite six minutes or so before putting him back in….
what else could bone have done?
I posted about this in the charts thread
We shouldn’t be complaining is the jist
by Brian Floyd on Feb 12, 2010 6:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
What has Bone Done Well!
-I give Bone credit for one thing and that is our increased aggresiveness on offense that has led to us shooting a lot of free throws. Other then that can somebody tell me what he has brought to the table. (Recruiting Aside)
-It took him until last week to demand some accountablity and teach his team to value every possesion. This should have happened from day one. Every kid wants to play offense, you have to stress defense from the start or it is hard to reign them back in (Reggie).
-The youth excuse is old, you can see on the court that we are not a disciplined team and that is on the coach.
-Basketball is the sport where in game coaching is most critical. You teach in practice but you still have to manage the game. Rotations, defensive match-ups, calling a set play that works for an easy bucket or foul. He was awful in the LSU win by the way.
-Bone has been unable to create set plays that result in easy baskets.
-Coaches are responsible for the execution of their players. That is what practice is for. If the players aren’t listening to the coach or are not transfering the coaching from practice to games then it is on the coach. It’s the coaches job to get his message through to the players.
-It took an illness to Lodwick to get Motum some playing time then he precitably went back to Abe. Why is he so willing to live with Reggie’s piss poor defense but won’t accept a couple flaws by Motum. We need smart basketball players on the floor and Motum is that. Some players are just games.
-Yes we are young but the Pac-10 is awful and there is no way we should not win at least 9 games in this league.
-If we aren’t tough enough then we should be running full contact rebounding and screens drills to create some toughness.
-I will always be a diehard coug, but as a coach and baskeball junkie, I am not seeing good coaching on the floor. I hate undisciplined basketball!!
All of these questions have been answered
-He’s inherited a new team and was learning how to manage these boys. Do kid gloves work or does he have to bring a stiff hand? Kid gloves didn’t so he’s trying a different approach.
-Youth and lack of discipline go hand in hand. The young Bennett teams had the same trouble
-How do you know what he does in practice? He has his rotations and his players in game and makes defensive adjustments and matchup adjustments. Additionally, it’s not easy to get an easy bucket off a timeout play. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn;t.
-You’re overstating Motum’s impact. He had ONE good game. PT is based on practice and from what I’ve heard he’s had trouble grasping some of the concepts.
-Why do you think we aren’t tough? I’ve seen us scrap and come back plenty of times. They play with heart.
-Just because the pac-10 is bad doesn’t mean we’re guaranteed wins. It still isn’t easy to win games and there is some talent.
-This isn’t undisciplined ball by any means. You may be used to Bennett ball, and this isn’t it. You’ve got to get used to the style and go through the growing pains.
-Players not executing and bringing it in games and practice are being disciplined, you’re just seeing it more outwardly.
Seriously, there’s a method to his madness and he’s a good coach. Let these kids grow and learn the system and you’ll be happy in the long run.
Here's the money quote
I will always be a diehard coug, but as a coach and baskeball junkie, I am not seeing good coaching on the floor. I hate undisciplined basketball!!
Translation: You’re coming at this issue from a biased perspective. Many have called Washington undisciplined. And lest you respond with “look how far it’s gotten them,” many have said the same things about North Carolina under Roy Williams. There are different ways to win basketball games. Some value every possession, some don’t.
It’s about style, and you clearly prefer a different style. That’s OK, but let’s not confuse the arguments.
uhhh...what?
-Bone has been unable to create set plays that result in easy baskets.
i guess when you come up with them, we’ll run only those plays.
Just like jr high
Play 1 is give and go
Play 2 is pick and roll
That’s how it works right?
by Brian Floyd on Feb 12, 2010 8:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Best game ever.
Only starters can be traded, because they are the ones with the pictures!
CougCenter WSU's second main blog
by Craig Powers on Feb 12, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
Offensive Problems!!
One of our problems is that we are too slow initiating the offense. You still need to hurry the ball to the front court and get into your sets. Often Reggie walks it up and we don’t even make a pass until inside of twenty, that doesn’t allow enough time. You should have time to run two full sets during any shotclock. That is one of the reasons that teams press, to take time off the clock and make the offense start their offense late. We need to get the ball up and get into our sets.
We get in the most trouble when Reggie and or Klay dominate the ball with the dribble. We stop getting ball movement and instead settle for too much dribbling. Reggie and Klay are very bad about holding the ball at the point. If Klay has to make more then three or four dribbles then he is dribbling too much. He is better off the catch and should focus on attacking off the catch not from the point.
"Often Reggie walks it up and we don’t even make a pass until inside of twenty"
I call BS on that one. You’re exaggerating.
I will agree that we get into trouble when Klay dribbles too much (I’ve said as much in other posts) but not Reggie — the guy has a high assist rate and one of the highest free throw rates in the country. Dribbling by him generally ends up with a good result.
Also, please use the “reply” button. Thanks.
It's part of the motion offense
Making an entry pass isn’t easy, especially when teams are focusing on Casto and playing zone.
Reggie almost never walks the ball up and you can hear Bone, many times, yelling to push the ball all the time.
Again, the offense is different and we don’t have that big body that’s dominant inside like Baynes. We’re guard oriented
Thanks for the write up Nuss
After the game I stopped looking at Cougcenter and stayed away from the other Cougar sites. It gives me a headache reading the nonsense that people write. Unfortunately after a game like that, for every good post you have to read 20 idiotic posts. So, I say away.
So thanks for putting into words what I had been thinking.
I have a suggestion for saving WSU $$$ then!
Don’t bring the coaches to the games!
Seriously, I would have demanded that our guys attack the basket off the dribble (namely Moore and Thompson)…which would likely either a) draw fouls, b) result in easier shots, or c) a combination of a) and b).
Attack the basket. Attack the basket.
Do that especially when you are struggling from the outside…and good things likely will happen.
Coaches are paid big bucks to make these brilliant tactical decisions. As they say…“it’s not rocket science”.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 13, 2010 12:04 PM PST reply actions
To address a specific statement...
“Did Bone just suddenly tell his guys to stop driving and shoot jumpers? More likely, they just decided they were going to do what they were going to do as Bone watched helplessly from the sideline.”
That would be, by definition, a sign of lack of discipline. Bone has to DEMAND that they attack the basket. He’s the one making $650K/year….he has the authority to do this.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 13, 2010 12:22 PM PST reply actions
Honestly, I couldn't see so I don't know
Did Stanford shut down the lanes in the second half and dare us to shoot over? I ask not as an attack on you but because I don’t know. If they did decide to pack it in like we used to, it would make sense that we couldn’t drive. You can’t just put your head down and go if they are making that effort to seal off the lanes. You end up giving up offensive fouls and getting stripped trying to attack the rim.
So, anyone that saw, did Stanford make a change in the second and concertedly try to pack it in and make us shoot?
by Brian Floyd on Feb 13, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
It never is...but my point remains.
And now we open in a zone D vs Kal?
Do one thing and do it with excellence.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 13, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions

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