POSTGAME THREAD: I really don't have much to say
by Jeff Nusser on Feb 13, 2010 3:11 PM PST
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PrintI really don't. We've shown that we have the ability to play with anyone, but we've also shown that we have the ability to play like the worst team in the conference.
We were right there, and then in a flash ... we weren't.
We got beat by a more experienced and mature team today, one that is going to win this conference, probably going away. While I'm not disappointed by the loss, I am disappointed by how it materialized. To have Ken Bone lose his composure and take a technical foul at a critical juncture in the game is simply unacceptable.
If one of the players had taken a T there, Bone would be talking punishment. I hope he owns this one, and owns it loudly.
Just as we did all through the nonconference season, we allowed a Klay Thompson explosion to give us a level of comfort. With Thomspon on lockdown, we scored 25 points in the second half. Klay had 23 in the first.
We've now lost seven of 10. Probably time to recognize that we're not nearly as close to being near the top of this conference as we thought we were.
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What a curious game
It sure didn’t feel like a 16 point win for the Bears.
The officiating was its usual horrible self. Shafted us early, shafted you late. Klay, Casto, Capers gave us everything they could handle.
At least they were fun games! See you in the tournament maybe?
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by Avinash Kunnath on Feb 13, 2010 3:15 PM PST reply actions
*Pac-10 tourney
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by Avinash Kunnath on Feb 13, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
I dunno man…If that Nikola layup hadn’t spiralled out we could be talking about a whole different game.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Feb 13, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
That layup seemed to be a game changer
A few things happened late that shifted momentum including the missed layin, the 4th foul, and the T and foul on Guiterrez that happened at the same time
That and Klay's air ball 3
But to be honest, I think the biggest change came when D was taken out for a breather. We lost our defensive edge and let them get up quickly. Pair that w/ the Bone T and the original foul and they put it out of reach quickly
Re: Moos from the last thread
It’s not a buyout. He’s being paid 200K a year not to work. If he takes a BCS job west of the Mississippi, the checks from Oregon stop coming from what I understand.
Also, that loss sucked
My question is how he can get out of it
Does he just lose the money? Is there a buyout he agreed to?
I understand the details of his pay but I am wondering how he can get out of it. He was essentially headed to UNLV until Oregon stepped in.
He just loses the money from what I heard
At issue is whether UNLV is, under the intent of the buyout agreement, a BCS school. And it seems clear if he had accepted the UNLV job, Moos would have put the remaining $1.4 million he’s owed under the terms of the buyout agreement in jeopardy — and inevitably in the hands of a court that would have decided the lawsuit that would have followed.
While that one call was bad
I can’t really fault the refs, they let a lot go.
Bone’s T is just unacceptable. There’s a time to get teched up to make a point (and I think Bone has missed some of those frankly) and there’s a time to keep control. He handed the game away.
The offense played too out of control late. The D seemed improved and was pretty impressive.
What sent it out of control late?
The turnovers leading to easy buckets, I guess from what I saw. The offense got reckless driving the lane and Cal forced turnovers leading to easy buckets.
They stopped moving well
and lost some aggressiveness as well. We weren’t able to match Cal’s intensity.
TO’s were definitely huge.
Didn't see a lot of Motum in the second half
Offense really seemed to be fluid with him in the game. As was obvious on the game thread, I just didn’t like what we were doing with Reggie in the game. Can’t wait to see his +/- numbers …
Motum's defense
is keeping him from playing bigger minutes. He had some trouble on the defensive end.
We should definitely see him next week against UCLA and SC.
What did Bone do to get the T
I missed it. They have been pretty quick to T up Bone.
Did he come out onto the court?
So maybe they should let it go
the ref’s have been pretty quick to T him this year compared to guys like Floyd who would go crazy 20 times a game.
What Bone is doing is tame in comparison.
Speaking of Baynes
Every game like this reminds me yet again how much we miss those baby hooks.
We don’t have many “easy” buckets when the going gets tough.
I only remember 2 T's on Bone
The first for slamming his hands on the scorers table (how that is called a T I don’t know) and today. What am I missing? Anyone have a link to find this stat?
I also don’t think today’s T had that much impact on the outcome. the series just before it killed our chances.
The missed layin by Kop was the killer to me and I still don’t know how gravity didn’t take over on that one.
The bears made a rough play against Klay forcing a TO
Whoever was defending Klay (the feed was really choppy for me) blatantly smacked klay’s wrist to force the TO. Bone over reacted b/c the Bears were getting into the groove on fast break points.
While I agree he should be angry about the call (when they showed it on reply it was 100% intentional) I disagree w/ how it was handles. Should have called a timeout on the next possession, let the other coaches deal w/ settling the guys down and had a quick word w/ the line ref instead of leaving the box and making a scene
i disagree he handed the game away.
i think the writing was on the wall.
It's just bothersome
because really, everything about this team should be done with teaching, and next year in mind. This team has a ton of talent, and one of the areas in which they suffer the most is composure. That has to come from the top.
I wasn’t a fan of the hire in the first place, so my approach has always been that Bone has to prove to me that he should have this gig. I just haven’t seen much so far.
In terms of theTOs, it seemed like our spacing was really suspect.
I'm sure Ken Bone approaches his every minute of coaching basketball to prove to you he deserves to be where he is
Klay Thompson is my man crush
by crimson and gray on Feb 13, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
lol
some of the anti-bone crap around the coug blogs is unreal.
i hated the bone hiring from the start because i think we should’ve hired (insert coach that would never come to pullman here) and everytime we lose, i think it’s an i-told-you-so moment
I really can't believe it
People really underestimate how young we are
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by crimson and gray on Feb 13, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
Because clearly not liking the hire
implies I thought we could have got somebody like Cal or anybody with a substantial profile.
My issues with Bone stem mostly from his association with Romar, a solid recruiter but somebody I feel is a miserable in-game coach, and the fact that I think WSU would likely benefit from somebody younger.
I realize we’re a very young team, and that a lot of what we see isn’t Bone’s fault and just a function of youth. That said, the things that are in Bone’s control (rotation, defensive calls, etc) haven’t exactly convinced me to change my mind about his fit for this team.
Bone worked under Romar
In many people’s eyes, Bone was the game coach of those teams. You know, the BRoy, Nate, Conroy teams. They did pretty well didn’t they?
One thing to keep in mind
While systems aren’t as complicated as in football, there is an adjustment period both in terms of scheme and personnel. I’m not sure you’d be seeing appreciably different results with anyone else as the coach of this team, Calipari/Williams/Howland included. In fact, those last two guys aren’t exactly having stellar seasons, and they’ve been in their gig for a while.
Just give it some time. If this same stuff is happening at this time next year, I’ll understand the griping.
It's less about results
than it is approach.
While in some dream world, I’d press a reset button and find a coach more to my particular liking, obviously it would be silly to let Bone go at this point.
However, even when factoring in youth, changes to the system, all the things that would give anybody a pass. Giving him points for the Moore get. On balance I still remain unimpressed. I’m not sure I have a more substantial point that that.
New coach
He’s learning how to handle this group. Remember, most of these guys weren’t his. He tried kid gloves, it didn’t work. He’s trying hard nosed now. You can’t come in and lay the hammer down or you risk losing your team. Remember that Dick and Tony had their core group they brought in at the start.
It’s just too early to judge the process or results
Moore and Bjornstad are his; that's it
PLAY MORE BJORNSTAD!!!!!
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This is not an "I told you so" post, but we are...
exactly where I thought we’d be.
I predicted no better than an 8th place finish.
I am no fan of Ken Bone’s coaching. I haven’t been since early on. If that makes me a “hater”, then so be it.
We have 5 more Pac-10 games remaining…and the scary thing is that we have a legitimate chance to lose all 5 of them. Do I think we will? No…but losing 4 of 5 is highly likely in my opinion.
I hope I’m wrong.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 13, 2010 3:32 PM PST reply actions
Highly likely?
You need to take a deep breath
Klay Thompson is my man crush
by crimson and gray on Feb 13, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
Tell me which team we are better than?
UCLA – no
USC – no
UW – no (but we have them away from BoA…so this may be our 1 win)
OSU – no
UO – yes
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 13, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
In my opinion
UCLA- i think its a toss up with us having an advatage being at home
USC- yes we already beat them
UW- no, but as you said we have them at home
OSU- YES
UO- Yes
Klay Thompson is my man crush
by crimson and gray on Feb 13, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
Just because we already beat USC...
doesn’t project to us being better than they are.
UCLA has a terrific coach…and appear to be getting better.
OSU will beat us on their home court.
UO is a tossup (because they are at home).
UW is weak on the road…but rivalry games can be very unpredictable. They are a better team overall without consideration for where the game is played.
I hope you are right.
BTW, KenPom projects us to win 2 more games (prior to today’s game)….UCLA and OSU.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 13, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
You really think OSU will beat us?
Klay Thompson is my man crush
by crimson and gray on Feb 13, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
I'd put my money on them...
If I were a betting man.
Hope I’m wrong.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 13, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
And apparently we are going to lose 4 of 5 toss ups when 3 of 5 are at home
Klay Thompson is my man crush
by crimson and gray on Feb 13, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
Being at home has not been a particularly good...
experience for us.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 13, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
Hasn't been particularly bad either
This is the first time we haven’t gotten a split. I think its a little ridiculous to say we are “highly likely” to lose 4 of 5. Is it possible? Of course it is. But highly likely?
Klay Thompson is my man crush
by crimson and gray on Feb 13, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
Now look at the quality of the PAC 10 that year and this year
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by crimson and gray on Feb 13, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
other than ucla
it’s not much different
people who are so against BoneBall have this romantic notion that Tony never blew leads and that we consistantly beat teams better than us. neither are true.
UW is not as good either.
Last season the Pac-10 was not that strong either.
Look at the results in the NCAA Tournament for confirmation (I believe just one SS team from the conference).
The prior two seasons, the Pac-10 was very tough (3 and 4 SS teams, respectively).
Too bad our timing was poor…or we’d perhaps have 2 league championships under our belts.
As they say though…“timing is everything.”
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 13, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure if teams winning one of two games in a tournament is a great measure of the overall strength of the conference.
Pomeroy had the Pac 10 as #1 last year.
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by Craig Powers on Feb 14, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Not getting your point...
Please explain.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 13, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
If we finish #2 and #3 in the next two seasons in the Pac-10...
and get to the Sweet Sixteen, I’ll gladly retract everything bad I’ve stated about Bone.
Of course, remember that the Pac-10 was much tougher during those two seasons than it is now.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 13, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
If you're going to constantly evaluate against that
You’re going to be consistently disappointed. That was lightning in a bottle. It’s the reason why Tony is no longer here, because he didn’t think he could duplicate it.
Tell me what "success" looks like to you then?
I only make that comparison because many in the past have stated that Bone is a better coach than Tony…and will do better at WSU than he did.
I don’t agree…because of the whole defense thing. Tony had it right. It all needs to start with D at WSU.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 13, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
We've got the most fertile recruiting grounds in maybe the nation
And Tony couldn’t touch them. They wouldn’t play his system at all and he had to use that system out of necessity. Now, we’ve got Seattle kids who want to play for Bone. Robinson and Crawford are telling Reggie that going to WSU is a good decision because Bone is great. Wait and see, but those kinds of recruiting inroads are needed and they are something Tony couldn’t do.
LoRo can't even get the best talent in the Seattle...
metro area (I assume that is what you are referring to when you say “most fertile recruiting grounds…”).
Why do you think Bone could do better?
The big sharks (UCLA, Kansas, Louisville, NC, etc.) will swoop in and get the elite talent. We won’t be able to get those guys.
Tony had the right idea. Recruit smart players with good talent…even go overseas if necessary….and mold them into a tough defensive team first…then the offense would come along.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 13, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
That's an unfair assumption
Romar gets plenty of talent from Seattle. IT, Gaddy, Robinson, Roy, Conroy, Simmons, Webster, Hawes, Brockman, and the list goes on. A few get away, but he lands plenty of it. In order to compete, we need to recruit the Seattle Tacoma area. That next level that we’re missing is right in our own back yard and Bone can recruit it.
Tony left partly because he felt he’d hit the peak with his system and the talent in the PX. Bone is looking to recruit the area and it needs to happen to get to the next level. He helped do it at Washington and those guys that are in the NBA are on record signing his praises.
Giving Romar credit for Gaddy is somewhat ridiculous
when he was a firm commit to Arizona before Lute Olsen retired.
Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
Before Gaddy committed
he was leading for Reggie, so there’s also that.
That said, I think given a few more seasons of success, Tony would have gotten a foot in the door in Seattle.
by TiltingRight on Feb 14, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
From my way-too-far-removed view of recruiting...
tony didn’t even try to get Seattle recruits.
"These days many politicians are demanding change. Just like homeless people."
~George Carlin
by displacedcoug on Feb 14, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
There was one
Anyone remember Mark McLaughlin? Committed to Tony then turned out to not have the grades and also was a bit of a headcase.
Point was that it was taking Tony some serious time to try to create inroads into the Westside because of his style of play or whatever reason. Could he do it? Maybe. Bone comes in with the ability to do it right off the bat, in my opinion.
I do think he's a better coach
But I don’t know that he’ll do better. But I just don’t understand why this constant need to make definitive statements about whether a guy is or is not the right coach two thirds of the way through his first season. Just doesn’t seem prudent.
If we did that....
We would’ve ran the Bennetts out of town before the conference slate started in Dick’s first year.
These things take some time with the youngins
The huge difference with Dick...
(and I hope you and everyone knows this) is that DB had proven himself as a very good coach. That is what happens when you take your team to a FF (a team, by the way, that didn’t even have an all-conference player!!). Talk about credibility.
If Bone had taken a team to a FF…or even a SS, I would have no doubt he could get it done at WSU. He hasn’t, so I am not cutting him the same slack.
Make sense?
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 13, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
He took a commuter school in Portland state and brought them to the NCAA's
He took a UW team as an assistant deep into the tourney. He’s got credibility. That’s without mentioning what he did at SPU
Bone has a LOT of credibility in coaching circles in the PNW
just because Joe Seattle-Game hadn’t heard of him, doesn’t mean he didn’t have cred.
SPU
Damn near won a national title at SPU. He made them a consistent winner. He’s big in Seattle and that’s huge for WSU.
OK....but FF (with no "talent")>>>Div II near-...
national title (or whatever SPU is/was).
It just is.
The point is that DB had instant credibility because he built up a program from scratch at the highest level and came just a few points from getting them to the title game.
That gives DB gravitas.
Bone still has to prove himself in my opinion (by definition…or he’d have been hired to a basketball power school by now).
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 13, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
I just don't see how you think he has no credibility
He’s very well respected in the Northwest coaching circles at all levels. The hire was praised and he’s been a very good coach everywhere he’s been thus far.
You said "no credibility", not me...
But let’s face it, DB had far more credibility (future HOF coach) than does Bone.
It’s not even close.
That is not to say that Bone has “no credibility”. He did well at SPU and PSU. That hasn’t convinced me though. Kevin Eastman did well at Richmond too. Didn’t mean he could cut it in the Pac-10 though. Len Stevens did well at St. Martins too. He totally flopped at WSU. This is big time basketball now for Bone.
There is something called “The Peter Principle” as you likely know. I wonder if this applies to Bone? We’ll see.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 13, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think anyone is saying he doesn't have to prove himself
But I think some of us are giving him a little bit more leash to do it than others …
OK...maybe I'll be shown to be flat-out wrong about Bone...
I hope so.
I assume he’ll continue to learn…and perhaps if he does, that will translate to better coaching and in-game decisions.
I will give it to you that next season will tell us a lot more because there should be no more “we’re still young” reasons if we don’t succeed and win a good portion of league games.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 13, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think anybody is trying to make a definitive statement
we’re just voicing frustration after a series of frustrating losses.
In terms of discussion being “prudent”. It’s a sports blog, what’s the point if not meaningless discussion?
Fair enough
I understand wanting quality, well argued discussion. I’m not sure the logical extension of that is a judgement on the prudency of the conversation. What are the negatives of an attempt to assess how the coach is doing so far?
One of the things I always find off-putting about the discussion of college athletics is that some conversations should be considered off-limits if they might reflect badly on the institution. That as Cougar fans, we’re hurting the team by being critical of the team. I’m not sure if that’s what you’re getting at… (and guess that it’s not).
Definitely not
I’m all for criticism of players and coaches if it’s well-reasoned and thoughtful. Heck, criticize me under those same circumstances. But some people just aren’t bringing that level of discourse to the table.
Personally, declaring a coach a success or failure — while not in so many words, that’s what some are doing — after less than one full season just seems silly.
community guidelines?
“Well, shut my mouth. It’s also illegal to put squirrels down your pants for the purposes of gambling.”
i didn't say we were going to a sweet sixteen next year
but we will be exponentially better.
I wouldn't expect that...
Remember, we first got one win in the NCAA Tournament before we followed with a SS finish the following season.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 13, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
the close losses will be wins next year
this is a four month teaching moment. sucks for fans, but this team wasn’t built for this year.
I wish we had some sort of record of where people stood on coach hires when they are started
I personally know many people who were all amped up over the Paul Wulff hire who are now saying they “never thought he deserved the gig”, and if things start going even worse for the basketball team I’m sure we will all start hearing the same thing about Bone. I just wish people would stick to their guns, or admit they were wrong, to change their story is ridiculous.
This isn’t directed to anyone personally here, just in general. And for the record, I was definitely in favor of Wulff’s hire and Bone’s hire. Wulff has me worried, but I still thing that will work out eventually, and I’m stil very confident about Bone.
I was in favor of both
I think Bone was a great hire. For football, Wulff was probably the best of the realistic options.
i'm pretty sure in Nuss' "Time to get excited" post after we beat LSU
I said I wouldn’t be getting excited :)
but that had nothing to do with Bone. This team is too young and too flawed to enjoy this season for anything other than “the first step of the journey” or something similarly corny.
I’m still on Team Bone.
Exactly
And those convinced we’d be better right now with Bennett ball are probably grasping at straws. I just don’t know that this year we would be at all
i'm still not sure why people had such high expectations for this seson
it’s not like we were world beaters last year (when we had four seniors); we finished seventh!
then we lose those key players (and all of our size) and the writers justly pencil us in at 8th. Cougs lose their minds and pretend that the media always slots us in the bottom 3 and we always beat those expectations (another myth).
Then when it turns out that (gasp) we might actually be a bottom three team, it’s now has to be because Bone is a terrible coach.
I think we just got fooled by the early-season results
Expectations got skewed. I really thought LSU was going to be pretty good. I obviously was wrong about that, and if I knew then what I know now, I probably wouldn’t have been so amped.
I agree with you.
It’s just frustrating to see how good this team can be but also watch them collapse over and over. I understand why people freak out a little but many people need to calm way down about the coaching complaints.
I am on record as being skeptical about Bone from the beginning...
I thought that the Wulff hire was fine…given the constraints on $$.
I think that Wulff will do well at WSU…but next season will be another tough one with respect to W/L record.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 13, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
In regards to the T
I don’t think coaches should ever get T’d up. Even in the instances when it might actually prove a point, and provide a short-term lift to the team. I think in the long run in sends the wrong message. That was one of the things that I admired most about Tony. As far as I know he never got T’d up. I remember last year there was a T on the Cougar bench and Bud Namek reported it was on Tony, and Tony specifically corrected him in the post-game show that he still had never been T’d up as a head coach.
Now when the T comes at such an important part of the game, and realistically could have had an impact on the outcome? That is unacceptable. Bone should be ashamed and make sure that something like that never happens again.
Focus on the positives people!!
Did you see the first half??? We really played incredibly well and dominated Cal. Sure Klay hit some rediculous shots but Randle hit more and we still had an 11 point lead.
Same with the Stanford game… we arn’t 18 points better then Standford. Somehow we managed to play 18 points better then them for just over half the game though.
Can you imagine if we played that well for an entire game?
The guys are almost entirely freshman and sophmores...
That doesn’t change in one season. Look at UNC and their young team. Experience is a valuable asset.
On top of that, do you really think Bone tells the team to stop playing so well at half time? Does he tell them to start forcing bad passes and playing with less intensity? I don’t understand how he gets no credit for how well we play at times and all the credit for how badly they play other times.
I'm not saying that
I’m saying we can’t expect a full game. We’re a young team and we have stretches of trouble
you may not get a full game until next year
and that arizona game is about as close to a “full game” as you’re going to get.
Another question
Before we couldn’t start games and were mad and now we have trouble finishing. What changed
by Brian Floyd on Feb 13, 2010 5:25 PM PST via mobile reply actions
But mentality wise
Were get going early now and struggle with the finish. So did adding nik help the start and is there anything we can point to at the end?
by Brian Floyd on Feb 13, 2010 6:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
We had trouble finishing even when Nik wasn't in the starting lineup
It’s not like this is new. I don’t think there’s any magical solution out there. The best five are on the floor at the end. It’s just tough — there are growing pains.
I agree
It seems like changing up the starting lineup helped the early part. I think finishing just comes with experience. Maybe these poor experiences pay off in the long run next year
by Brian Floyd on Feb 13, 2010 8:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I really hope experience is the only missing ingredient...
Because we won’t be adding any more players for a while other than Simon. I stand firmly behind Bone and the Cougs, and I see success coming. However, it has been pointed out that we are a dominant big man away from being a scary team, and it could be the same situation next year. Who will be Casto’s sidekick next year? Watson? Bjornstad? Motum? Simon?
"These days many politicians are demanding change. Just like homeless people."
~George Carlin
by displacedcoug on Feb 13, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
Faisel Aden also...
And word has been he’s still looking for a big, maybe from a jc or something. Plenty of time before the late signing period so someone may pop up
by Brian Floyd on Feb 13, 2010 10:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Man I hope that happens.
Why can’t we just recruit an all-American center who steps in and dominates as a freshman next year?
"These days many politicians are demanding change. Just like homeless people."
~George Carlin
by displacedcoug on Feb 13, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
Like a few of us have said before
We’ve gotta settle with projects right now and see how they pan out. We have them on the roster, it’s a matter of development. It’s a wait and see game. I don’t see an impact kid out there that can step right in, so we’re playing with the hand we’re dealt.
We’ll see how the development shakes out, but that’s all we’ve got. Remember, Baynes was by no means polished and it took time. Who doesn’t remember his first two years? I rest my case
He may not have been able to catch a ball
but he always had strength. Even his freshman year, no one moved him around.
"These days many politicians are demanding change. Just like homeless people."
~George Carlin
by displacedcoug on Feb 14, 2010 1:19 AM PST up reply actions
Sure, but give these boys another year in the weights and see
Freshman years
Baynes: 6-10 245
Bjornstad: 6-10 215
Some time in the weight room and some big boy meals and he may just get that strength. Not saying it will, but we’ve got nothing else.
From Bjornstad's scout profile
Joel Francisco, ESPN.com’s West Coast recruiting coordinator, said this about him: “… one of the most promising sleepers on the West Coast … a late-developing prospect with a significant amount of upside.”
Maybe, just maybe, he comes up big and grows in to himself
Todays plus/minus
for what it’s worth
Harthun 24
Capers 18
Motum 10
Watson 10
Casto -10
Koprivica -10
Thompson -12
Moore -22
Thames -24
The next 5 are probably some of the easiest in the Pac-10 schedule
UCLA, U$C are beatable at home, UW is an awful road team, and the oregons are the easiest road trip by far. This team is young and on the verge of a breakthrough. Similar to UW in football this year. Clearly very talented just young and not knowing how to finish ballgames.
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