A not-so-quick, not-so-subtle reminder as to what we are about at CougCenter
The last couple of months have seen an incredible increase in traffic to our modest little site -- January was our biggest month ever, with more than 43,000 unique visitors and 81,000 page views. That's quite a long ways from our first month of 2,299 visitors and 3,944 page views.
This is a wonderful thing; after all, the goal of Grady and I when we launched this thing about a year and a half ago was to add something meaningful to the Cougar community, and if so many people are finding time to stop by everyday, we must be doing something right.
With this increased traffic, of course, comes increased commenting on the posts and stories. This, also, is wonderful -- we truly believe it's the community experience at CougCenter that separates it from a lot of other sites, and a growing, vibrant community is exactly what we desire. Because this community experience is so integral to what we do here, we're pretty protective of it.
Unfortunately, the influx of new readers has also included an influx of commenters who either haven't understood our mission statement and community guidelines or haven't taken the time to read them. Although most of you are either college students or college graduates, I'm going to go ahead and assume it's the former, because in order to join CougCenter and comment you are asked to read the Community Guidelines. And you wouldn't ever join something without reading the fine print ... right?
With that in mind, let's take a few moments to review expectations for participating in our community. If all you ever do is read and never comment, feel free to stop reading now. But if you do comment -- especially if you're relatively new -- please read what follows so that if you are held accountable for what you write by one of the moderators, you understand why.
First of all, the mission statement, found permanently in our left hand sidebar:
CougCenter is a website dedicated to covering all things Washington State University (although we'll throw in some national stuff as well). This won't be your typical fan site, flush with rip jobs; rather, we aim to bring – and encourage – the kind of smart, thoughtful analysis about Cougar athletics you won't find anywhere else.
Everything we expect from all of you flows out of that, including our Community Guidelines. I'm not going to re-post them here, but if you haven't read them, do so now -- they're pretty explicit in terms of what we expect. Moving forward, we're going to work under the assumption that everyone has read them and that if they don't understand any aspect, they've e-mailed us their question at cougcenter@gmail.com for clarification.
In light of that, and in light of my day job as a teacher, I want to give you handful of examples regarding encouraged comments (those that meet our website goals and keep the conversation moving forward) and unacceptable comments (those that don't).
Encouraged
"Joe Tallguy really isn't bringing anything to the table. His failure to box out his man is really killing us on the defensive glass, and goodness knows this team needs to rebound better."
This comment makes the rest of us smarter. We like that.
Unacceptable
"Joe Tallguy sucks!"
"Why does coach even play Joe Tallguy? He sucks!"
"Joe Tallguy is a waste of a scholarship. Every time he plays, we stink. I hope coach yanks his scholarship at the end of the year!"
These three waste even the minimal bandwidth they take to post on the site, as none present any kind of well-reasoned, intelligent analysis.
Encouraged
"Coach really killed us by not calling a timeout there. The momentum was shifting, and something needed to be done to stem the tide. That was a poor decision."
Again, the first comment makes the rest of us smarter and gives us something to talk about.
Unacceptable
"Coach sucks!"
"Why do we even have this coach in the first place? He sucks!"
"This coach is a complete and total failure in my book. I lay this loss at his feet. In fact, I was never a fan of hiring him in the first place. I hope the new athletic director fires him and hires someone else!"
And, again, these three waste even the minimal bandwidth they take to post on the site, as none present any kind of well-reasoned, intelligent analysis.
Basically, just ask yourself this: Am I bringing something to the table, or am I merely venting? If it's the latter, don't post it.
If, however, you decide to post anyway, expect to get a little message from myself, Grady or Craig letting you know that you're on double secret probation. Do it again, and you'll get a short ban from commenting on the site. Do it again, and you might just receive a permanent ban from commenting on the site. We're serious about this.
Look, I'm as much into the First Amendment as anyone; I was a journalism major and journalism teacher, after all. But this is our community, and for the good of all of us who love it, it's going to be our way or the highway. If you don't like that, feel free to read and not comment. There are plenty of other places for you to say what you'd like to say -- go to Cougfan.com, CougZone.com, or, better yet, start your own blog where you can say whatever you want whenever you want without pesky moderators. It's free, and takes about two minutes to set up. (I recommend WordPress.) That's the First Amendment in action.
We don't fancy ourselves the comment gestapo, but understand we're serious about this. Help us make this place even better than it is now by conforming to these standards. Thanks.
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Good post and reminders
And congratulations on the site hits. That’s pretty impressive to see the growth.
Amen amen amen amen!
People really have no excuse now for some of the comments. This post was pretty perfect in saying how we should be talking about the team on here.
Klay Thompson is my man crush
by crimson and gray on Feb 15, 2010 11:48 AM PST reply actions
Tony Bennett's departure remains our highest-traffic week
However, the last two weeks have been close — within a couple thousand page views.
by Jeff Nusser on Feb 15, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
That's somewhat odd.
One would figure a 1-4 fortnight coming on the heels of an absolute meltdown in Seattle wouldn’t be the recipe for site traffic.
Thank you for using the word 'fortnight'
It always makes me happy.
"These days many politicians are demanding change. Just like homeless people."
~George Carlin
by displacedcoug on Feb 15, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Two-week period?
Yeah, that would be miserable to be around…
"These days many politicians are demanding change. Just like homeless people."
~George Carlin
by displacedcoug on Feb 15, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Good reminder
want an example of what not to write on comments go to the Seattle Times forums. Just was over there and was amazed by the stuff said on there, people calling each names names, nobody staying on topic and UW fans picking fights. Horrible, horrible set up, thankfully this site is here!!!!
Congrats also on the huge site hits, I know this is the first site I come to every morning.
Sometimes I forget how big this site is.
To me, if feels like three great authors and 50-100 followers just talking WSU sports. That number of 43,000 unique visitors is amazing. I wonder how many of those people have something to say but never show up in the comments. Either way, props for all the hard work. I know I say that alot, but this site makes me feel more connected to what’s going on with Cougar sports than anything else.
I've been following this site just about since it started.
I just didn’t start commenting for awhile. I wonder if that’s where a lot of people are. It can be intimidating when you aren’t a stats buff.
"These days many politicians are demanding change. Just like homeless people."
~George Carlin
by displacedcoug on Feb 15, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
i don't think there's ever a problem with not being a stat-head
i’ve been making tick-sheets while watching games since i was 6, but there’s always crap i learn on the threads, too.
i’m not going to speak for nuss or grady, but the stuff in the game threads and post-game threads that drive me crazy are blanket statements and name calling (like the ones nuss outlined), and people making those statements generally will a) not stick around to defend them, b) use minutae to make their point (christopher dunked on reggie that one play so bone must suck at defense), or c) just keep stating the same thing over and over again, using different words.
i’m beginning to think people who make blanket statements about “halftime adjustments” are the same people who get angry at “playcalling” when we don’t win a football game.
or maybe
it is the heat of the moment and they are saying the first thing that pops into their head? some people get pretty fired up durning these games. they arn’t sticking around to write a 5 page essay on why bone should be fired or why klay sucks because they don’t really feel that way. but when that 18 point lead starts to slip away and it feels like the season is as well they want to vent in that moment. and yelling at the dog just doesn’t cut it. so they hop on cougcenter and let some frustration fly…knowing and hoping there are some others out there feeling the same pain they are, and knowing that makes them feel better.
I feel like during game venting within reason is ok
It has been getting out of hand though. Once the game thread is over it should cease and there should be more meaningful discussion and analysis.
I understand game thread emotion but staqy away from personal attacks or baseless analysis
by Brian Floyd on Feb 15, 2010 1:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I agree
that many of the in-game threads are a little different, because peoples emotions are running high and our CougCenter commissioners know that. They just don’t want every day post to be ridiculous banter. I try not to take part of those (in-game-post) because I get so riled up during games, that I would say something stupid (and I usually watch the game on the DVR…less Craig Ehlo). I try to sleep on a loss (which has been a lot lately) before I post. I also try to think what it would be like to be a college basketball player (for example) who is trying his best and playing for a scholarship having to read a post (by a desk-jockey) saying that I suck. A lot of these guys are just regular students trying to pay for their education by playing a sport. What is the percentage of college athletes that actually go pro?
"For Shizell My Mizell" - SoCalCoug
but do other people want to read venting?
Basically, just ask yourself this: Am I bringing something to the table, or am I merely venting? If it’s the latter, don’t post it.
maybe cougcenter should do a poll
do you mind in game venting?
I don't mind in game venting,
but when 20 people do it at once it gets annoying.
by spencer peaty on Feb 15, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think people have a problem with venting
but not on this site. This is where many people go (myself included) to talk have intelligent talks about the cougars. If you need to vent please does a favor and go to Cougfan.
Klay Thompson is my man crush
by crimson and gray on Feb 15, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
Saying "AAHHHHHHH CRAP!" at a critical moment is one thing
Saying …
- "We suck"
- "Bone sucks"
- "This is disgraceful"
- "This is disgusting"
- "Our defense was so much better last year"
- "This is just further proof that (insert preconceived bias here)"
REPEATEDLY, which is what’s been happening on the threads, is not acceptable.
We recognize that game threads are a little different animal. But think of it this way: It’s like hanging out with your buddies to talk about the game. What if you had a buddy that was obnoxiously repeating the same garbage over and over? Would you keep inviting him over? Probably not.
i've now saved "AAHHHHHHH CRAP!" to my clipboard
i’ll have it ready.
Ive got pac ten refs suck saved on mine
by Brian Floyd on Feb 16, 2010 6:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That is an acceptable use of the word suck.
No need for further explanation there.
CougCenter WSU's second main blog
by Craig Powers on Feb 16, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Good Sport All Ways
I find trash talking our own players and coaches unacceptable. I posted my concerns about the digression in game threads after the ASU game on January 10. Over the years, I have personally known student athletes. They work hard as do our coaches. Let’s respect them. These are our people. They are a part of Coug Nation.
I read Coug Center daily (almost) and comment occasionally. I appreciate the integrity, knowledge and enthusiasm that Grady and Nuss have laid as a foundation for Coug Center. Thank you for your efforts to host such a viable forum for all us. This is a respectable site that fans turn to for the latest information on Cougar athletics.
As a Coug fan who lives in a state that hosts two other Pac Ten teams, I welcome the comradery this forum allows. I proudly don my Coug gear whether we are winning or losing, not to provoke, but to represent Coug Nation. Let’s continue to proceed with some class.
the asu game, that WASN'T EVEN ON TV, mind you...
that’s what makes some of this so mindblowing. people have such strong opinions over something they haven’t seen…
I never comment
Mostly because I’m not a Cougar fan. But Nuss and company do great work. I love the Podcasts and the Pac-10 Weekend Wrap-Ups. This is the 2nd website I visit every day.
Keep it up guys!
I Hate Your Ducks
By the way
Lest we put too much blame on Joe Tallguy, Jimmy Pointguard and Bobby Benchwarmer need to start bringing it as well.
(don’t read into it)
Jimmy Pointguard sucks.
Crappy Coachguy should pull his scholarship.
by TiltingRight on Feb 15, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
Man time flies
It seems like yesterday that I joined, but it actually was September of 08. (For a while I just read the articles and comments, but finally joined because I had to say something about a post) Back then I didn’t realize you guys had just started CougCenter. I appreciate how you guys run your site, because you guys have been able to stay consistent since the beginning. It is like a baseball umpire who establishes his strike zone early and sticks with that strike zone the whole game. That is hard to find these days, especially with all the sellouts there are out there.
Thanks, for bringing up the mission statement, because I have notice some of the posts/comments have been by Debbie Downer.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/19280/saturday-night-live-debbie-downer-birthday-party
When the game is pretty tough. Don't you ever holler 'nuff, Show the world you have the stuff, Keep-a-goin. -Lone Star Dietz
Also, it'd be great if new people used the Subject Line more often.
I hate being “that guy”, and I usually wait for someone else to say it or just ignore it if I think they’re just here to say one thing. But please, if you’re posting, use the Subject Line (and use it correctly). It makes it a lot easier to go through the comments that way. It also just looks a lot better, and that’s one of the many reasons I come to CougCenter so much (the sexiness of the Mods is another).
Spelling errors aren’t that big of a deal in the InGame Thread, and every now-and-again in a post, but I feel like most of us do a really good job of spell checking and keeping grammar and spelling errors to a minimum, so I want to pat all of you on the back. So many users here make CC a great website to visit and you guys should give yourself some credit.
Did someone say sexy?

Subject line also makes it easier to moderate and if you’re tired of Craig’s sexy face, you can click the subject line to hide it while browsing the thread
by Brian Floyd on Feb 15, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
If you ever run out of post ideas
A Craig photo montage would be brilliant. There’s plenty of them and he has this same face in nearly all of them
by Brian Floyd on Feb 15, 2010 8:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I didn't know about clicking on the subject line...
"These days many politicians are demanding change. Just like homeless people."
~George Carlin
by displacedcoug on Feb 15, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you.
I only post rarely, but the reason I started visiting this site every day is I was hoping to get away from people making insane judgments comments on players and coaches while sitting at home.
I greatly appreciate the articles and commentary by the staff of Coug Center, it’s absolutely top notch.
Keeping the masses in check by following the community guidelines is a good thing.
Cheers!
Spot on.
I greatly appreciate the articles and commentary by the staff of Coug Center, it’s absolutely top notch.
Agreed, CougCenter is the best place on the web for WSU sports, bar none.
"A bad day at the race track is better than a good day at the office."
by Matt Gardner on Feb 16, 2010 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
Congratulations on the growth of Cougcenter
Thanks again for the reminder. Both Cougfan and Cougzone have their good characteristics, but the talk on here is the best.
Man this post sucks!!
Oh crap, I didn’t bring anything to the table…
Ok, this post sucks in three key ways: 1) so hard, 2) so fast, 3) so long.
haha! I kid, I kid!
I think this is a great reminder, especially at the difficult times (tough bball losses, AD leaves, phase 3 on the rocks, etc.). Its kinda like those co-workers that hate their jobs. Their negativity starts to drain on you, and a once enjoyable job becomes unbearable. Deep down, you think to yourself – man if you hate it then just quit or you wish management would catch their negative vibe and send ’em packing. When its all about community, you have to protect that, so I applaud Nuss, Grady, Craig for taking the hard-stance at the risk of losing a few.
I think with this approach anybody you would potentially lose will be gained two-fold – because overall people come to these sites to be encouraged and informed about what’s happening at WSU. Especially the way the economy is, the last thing you want to do is come to your favorite sites and read comments from Debbie Downers all the time!
by LeaveItToWeaver on Feb 16, 2010 6:13 PM PST reply actions
Remember that honest debate is a good thing
People can disagree and come at each other from different sides of the debate. Every time one person can accuse the other person of being a Debbie Downer. So, I tend to think that being respectful of our differences is the key and backing up what you write.
The optimist in me...
Says this could be us on the verge of a great time in athletics. If they hire moos, the fundraising can be boosted, and the renovation will follow. Basketball will continue to grow as these kids grow up. And football….well there’s nowhere to go but up
by Brian Floyd on Feb 16, 2010 7:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions

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