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OPEN GAME THREAD: UCLA @ WSU

UCLA Bruins at Washington St. Cougars, Feb 18, 2010 5:30 PM PST


And now, a CougCenter public service announcement from Nuss.

So, in the wake of our little refocusing of community standards at the beginning of the week, there were a number of questions about what is and is not acceptable on a game thread. Let's bring some clarity to that before the game breakdown.

First off, we recognize game threads are a different animal. Emotions play a large role in the watching of games, as they should -- it's why we watch in the first place, obviously. So to expect those emotions to not come out as the game unfolds in the game thread isn't reasonable. People get excited, people get pissed, and it's all good ... if done correctly.

Contrary to what some people seem to believe, it is possible, in fact, to vent and move the conversation forward at that same time. And that's our expectation.

Encouraged

  • "DANGIT (insert guy's name)! That was a really stupid shot with that much time on the shot clock!"
  • "Why is Bone bringing (insert guy's name) off the bench now? I don't like him in this personnel grouping."

Unacceptable

  • "DANGIT (insert guy's name)! You always shoot the most horrible shots. Why do you suck?"
  • "Why is Bone bringing (insert guy's name) off the bench now? He's terrible. Always has been."

Got it?

I guess the best way I can put it is like this: Participating in the CougCenter game thread should be like sitting in a big living room with the smartest fans you've ever met and watching the game with them. While it's OK to have emotional outbursts from time to time, nobody wants to hang out with the guy who constantly talks trash about the players, coaches, refs and repeats his criticisms ad nauseam. First of all, it's obnoxious, and nobody likes obnoxious people. Second of all, a smart fan doesn't do that.

So, don't be that obnoxious guy on the game thread, OK? If you came to my house and acted that way, you wouldn't be invited back. If you do it on our game thread, a similar penalty awaits.

Now, back to Craig's regularly scheduled game preview.

The Time: 5:30 p.m. PST

The Place:  Friel Court at Beasley Coliseum, which shall henceforth be known as "The House That Sterk Painted"

The Coverage: FSN, FCS Pacific.  Find your local radio station here.  Audio for a fee at wsucougars.com.  Post stream links in the comments.

KenPom says:  No. 99 WSU 73, No. 118 UCLA 68 (66 possessions, 72% confidence)

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Keys to a Cougar Victory

UCLA's biggest defensive weakness is opponent three point percentage.  The Cougs need Klay to duplicate his performance from the Cal game from the outside.  UCLA is not great at forcing turnovers, so the opportunities should be there if the Cougs avoid careless passes and dribbling into crowds.

On the defensive end, the intensity has to improve over the last effort against UCLA, especially on switches.  Reeves Nelson had his own personal dunk contest last time out, largely because the Cougs were rotating very poorly.  They need to put forth a better effort tonight.

Also, I wouldn't mind if Nikola Dragovic sat out for some reason.  He's having a bad season, but we know that doesn't matter when he's playing the Cougs.

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Not lookin good as far as crowd goes

Just got out of a 4:00 test. I’m sitting in the tenth row of the student section. Hopefully those that are here will bring it!

by StraightOuttaPullman on Feb 18, 2010 5:17 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Alright! Game time and on TV this time!

Hopefully being at home provides some extra shock for the Cougars to make them look good and add some momentum to take down UW in the coming week. Maybe all the events happening at WSU will help too, with homecoming mentioned on CougFan. :)

Though, today I hope the Cougs don’t allow another one of those cringing losses again. The Cal game offered that (and not to mention the uhh…), but I was at the ocean. I just took a long walk on the beach after I saw the Cougs threw it away again. Dang youth.

I have faith that WSU will come out with smiles on their faces and leave the court with smiles. Except for Klay. :P

by Valiance on Feb 18, 2010 5:18 PM PST reply actions  

Oh yeah i forgot

A certain point guard is in the house and has been at practice all week. Hope he wears his hs warmups tonight

by Brian Floyd on Feb 18, 2010 5:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm at the game tonight

Taylor Rochestie and Robbie Cowgill are here together tonight. They are sitting in the next section over from me.

by GoCougs on Feb 18, 2010 5:20 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Today is the day the streak ends!

UCLA’s 13 game winning streak in Pullman will hopefully be snapped tonight. Go cougs!

by KirklandCoug on Feb 18, 2010 5:24 PM PST reply actions  

Capers not starting

missd three practices due to death in family

by defunkmusic on Feb 18, 2010 5:28 PM PST reply actions  

The House that Sterk Painted

haha that made me laugh. I would rec that if I could.

by Cougar999 on Feb 18, 2010 5:33 PM PST reply actions  

UCLA has won 96 of the 111 all-time meetings

i hear the overall W/L every year, and every year i shudder a little

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by coug2828 on Feb 18, 2010 5:35 PM PST reply actions  

Nik

Wow. What a year for the Serb.

by 02Coug on Feb 18, 2010 5:40 PM PST reply actions  

Not a very good crowd tonight at the Beas

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by Grady Clapp on Feb 18, 2010 5:44 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

really?

5pm game on a thursday is never going to sell well.

by BigWood on Feb 18, 2010 5:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Reggie with a nice steal

almost missed the dunk, but thats ok it still counts!!!

by spokanecougar on Feb 18, 2010 5:51 PM PST reply actions  

Good time out by Bone

Need to regroup. And the officials are not helping either.

by KirklandCoug on Feb 18, 2010 5:56 PM PST reply actions  

seriously

they could put the keystone kops in some ucla uniforms and they’d just drain all day against us

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by coug2828 on Feb 18, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

This is a fun lineup

The old watson motum combo

by Brian Floyd on Feb 18, 2010 6:01 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Capers- The Garbage Man

A dunk of what would have been a turnover.

by KirklandCoug on Feb 18, 2010 6:09 PM PST reply actions  

too bad he can't hit a jumper from the elbow

he’s just standing there all alone, like they’re daring him to shoot

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by coug2828 on Feb 18, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

We need...

points off of offensive rebounds. Love the way we are attacking the key.

by Hare on Feb 18, 2010 6:11 PM PST reply actions  

Klay out

And turnovers all over still

by Brian Floyd on Feb 18, 2010 6:15 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

No not at all

The header and body were unrelated. Just didn’t want to post twice

by Brian Floyd on Feb 18, 2010 6:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Like Harmeling said in his article today

you can at least control your awareness on defense. That dunk early in the game where the guy drove unchallenged to the hole and dunked before casto even turned around shows the lack of focus and awareness on our defense.

by Cougars Hunt and Kill on Feb 18, 2010 6:18 PM PST reply actions  

We should not be losing by 13 at home to this UCLA team.

Terrible 1st half. But, maybe that means our good half of the game will be the 2nd half?

by KirklandCoug on Feb 18, 2010 6:22 PM PST reply actions  

damnit all what the hell

You gotta be kidding me. No offensive rhythm, no defense. Let’s go boys.

At least Bone is punishing kids but what in the holy hell was that end to the half

by Brian Floyd on Feb 18, 2010 6:24 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Valid point

Is it bad I trust the walk on for ball security. I love reggie but he has a tendancy to dribble into trouble or get caught in the air. I still wouldn’t trade him for anything, just hope he learns

by Brian Floyd on Feb 18, 2010 6:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Fail.

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by Grady Clapp on Feb 18, 2010 6:24 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

I honestly do not care what defensive scheme you run

but players must play with great effort and awareness. Defense is desire anyone can be competent at it and that is what is frustrating about this team.

by Cougars Hunt and Kill on Feb 18, 2010 6:25 PM PST reply actions  

You are correct.

They don’t always play without energy and intensity on defense, but it’s often enough that it’s inexcusable.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 18, 2010 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly.

Teams that pick and chose when to play hard are usually below average.

by Cougars Hunt and Kill on Feb 18, 2010 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

So by my count, UCLA had 31 possessions

Scored 26 points off 21 possessions when we played Man
5 points off 5 possessions against our 2/3
9 points off 5 possessions in transition

by BigWood on Feb 18, 2010 6:27 PM PST reply actions  

So, if we average that with WSU ~33

There were 32 possessions. That’s .81 points per possession for the offense. Yucky.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 18, 2010 6:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow. This is bitter.

Just hopefully that this game is the reverse of the halves aside from what we’ve seen in the past two games. Just hopefully there is some torching in the 2nd against UCLA. Just hopefully, there is some defense. :(

by Valiance on Feb 18, 2010 6:27 PM PST reply actions  

Well,

Y’know. What else can you do? I think hope is the only factor that can effect the outcome of this game regarding us fans. For the players, well, we all know what is expected.

by Valiance on Feb 18, 2010 6:32 PM PST up reply actions  

halftime plus/minus

Watson 26
Thames 24
Motum 18
Allen 12
Harthun 6
Capers 0
Moore 0
Thompson -14
Koprivica -18
Casto -26

by BigWood on Feb 18, 2010 6:29 PM PST reply actions  

Is it just me being racist

that I assume Roll can’t be faster than all the guys he’s losing on D?

The team just really looks confused on both ends. UCLA just seems like they have our number everywhere.

I think they should try putting Klay in the middle spot in the zone. I’d think he could create a bit more there than Capers, and he’s not doing much on the wing beyond catching the ball in bad spots and then making bad decisions.

I don’t know that I saw obviously biased reffing this half, but I do know I have no idea what a foul looks like in this game.

by Dids on Feb 18, 2010 6:31 PM PST reply actions  

The middle man is just a show me

Id rather see klay outside. Maybe thames as the high post. Or watson

by Brian Floyd on Feb 18, 2010 6:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

true

Ill take anything to move us out of this funk

by Brian Floyd on Feb 18, 2010 6:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

headin to the bar boys

need some spirits to finish this one.

go cougs!!

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by coug2828 on Feb 18, 2010 6:32 PM PST reply actions  

It's amazing how I write a post about us not getting discouraged

And they put together their most discouraging performance of the season.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 18, 2010 6:43 PM PST reply actions  

Young is a valid excuse for a while..

But it’s time these boys start growing up. These stretches of bad basketball just cannot happen, at least they shouldn’t be happening as much as they did earlier in the year. This team, is playing its worst ball right now towards the middle-end of the year, instead of its best.

by KirklandCoug on Feb 18, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Bobby Knight had a quote

about how nobody’s young anymore after 20 games

by BigWood on Feb 18, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Tonight's performance is unique

They haven’t had it pretty much the entire game. We haven’t seen very many of these this year. These guys are truly lost right now.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 18, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Really? Really?

The Taylor schollie story? Really Fox, that’s what we’re going to talk about.

by 02Coug on Feb 18, 2010 6:47 PM PST reply actions  

But it went to Capers

I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

by HitKing69 on Feb 18, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

He is such a giver

I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

by HitKing69 on Feb 18, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, and Klay's dad played in the NBA

I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

by HitKing69 on Feb 18, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

2 Nicola's in this game

did you know there are 4 Nicola’s and they are all from the same country?

by BornCoug on Feb 18, 2010 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

jeez

i STILL can’t get away from the scholarship story

by BigWood on Feb 18, 2010 6:47 PM PST reply actions  

I will help you out

maybe they will bring some effort and energy since they never get to play.

by Cougars Hunt and Kill on Feb 18, 2010 6:52 PM PST reply actions  

Of course.

We almost get a steal, and then Dragovic hits a wide open 3.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 18, 2010 6:54 PM PST reply actions  

This isn't so bad, in the long run

This team deserved to get smacked in the face, and that’s what happened. To a mediocre UCLA team at home. This should be a wake up call for what’s left of the year.

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by Grady Clapp on Feb 18, 2010 7:03 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

I've been withholding comment since...

I’m not very popular with some others on this board, but this game reminds me somewhat of the D effort by Paul Graham’s teams. I know, that’s not fair…but you get the point!

In other words, dunk and layup practice for our opponent.

Our guys are still hustling at least.

Anyway, I’ll stop. I appreciate all the Coug fans out there. We need all we can get. You guys are true fans.

by westsidecougar1 on Feb 18, 2010 7:05 PM PST reply actions  

I've seen some really nice hustle...

but far too much clueless-ness too.

(I violated my “I’ll stop” comment.)

by westsidecougar1 on Feb 18, 2010 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Way too infrequent

25 games into the year, there should not be stretches were a team doesn’t seem to play hard.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 18, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Reeves Nelson

Wish we had him. He looks fine having that eye and probably still is ready to play

by BornCoug on Feb 18, 2010 7:14 PM PST reply actions  

Harthun shoots long for 2 and they mention Singler goes to Duke

Gee. Now we know how it is that Harthun was highly rated—he played under the aide of Singler on his squad.

by CougM.E.93 on Feb 18, 2010 7:16 PM PST reply actions  

um... no

Harthun was a good prep player on his own

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by Grady Clapp on Feb 18, 2010 7:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

This is beyond pathetic

I’m just sick. We look like Cougar football right now. Not good.

by BornCoug on Feb 18, 2010 7:16 PM PST reply actions  

I think that's tragically incorrect

I’m not sure there’s a basketball equivalent of the degree to which WSU was outclassed talent wise this season.

by Dids on Feb 18, 2010 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

RIP Cougar basketball defense

2003-2009

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by Grady Clapp on Feb 18, 2010 7:16 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

This is one where I'll gladly pin it on Bone.

The lack of commitment to defense was a major mistake on his part.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 18, 2010 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Careful now...

I’d like to see the shot chart.

Layup and dunk practice for UCLA. Yikes.

by westsidecougar1 on Feb 18, 2010 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

That was the highlight of the game...

but really, they’ve had very little problems with their dunks and layups.

I’m saddened by what I’ve seen tonight.

Well…at least there is football season. :-O

by westsidecougar1 on Feb 18, 2010 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Submitted without comment

4:48 UCLA – Layup by Jerime Anderson
5:27 Washington St. – Michael Harthun makes a jumper
5:49 UCLA – Nikola Dragovic dunks the ball
6:06 Washington St. – James Watson misses a layup
6:37 TV timeout
6:37 UCLA – J’mison Morgan misses a dunk
7:03 UCLA – Malcolm Lee misses a layup

by Brian Floyd on Feb 18, 2010 7:18 PM PST reply actions  

Remember the Arizona game.

The defense was outstanding that game which has me convinced that effort is the main reason for this.

by Cougars Hunt and Kill on Feb 18, 2010 7:18 PM PST reply actions  

Nobody escapes this one unscathed

The problem comes in trying to figure out who gets what, which is impossible. I will always tend to lean toward the players taking the lions share. They’re big boys. They ought to be able to bring it.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 18, 2010 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

As you likely know, I have the opposite view.

At the end of the day though…it will always reflect on coach. He’s the one pulling down $600K+/year.

by westsidecougar1 on Feb 18, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

OK then...

coach is making $650K/year. Better?

;-)

by westsidecougar1 on Feb 18, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Coach doesn't take the shots

Coach doesn’t lazily run around screens. The coach emptied his bench, and it made no difference.

At some point, players have to take responsibility.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 18, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

It is a mix of both coaches and players.

Players will do what you emphasize, if you emphasize effort on defense day in and day out then most likely the players will emphasize it too. I do think we have a few players who are offensive minded and think that defense is rest time.

by Cougars Hunt and Kill on Feb 18, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

That's probably an accurate statement

There’s no way these athletes should be the 188th-ranked defense in the nation. That one, I lay at the feet of Bone — which I already have.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 18, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I am not smart enough to know

and maybe somebody is…

but it’s hard for me to tell what’s a lack of effort and what’s simply the result of being brutally outschemed.

I’m also not smart enough to know if that outscheming is a result of Bone being bad, or Howland being really, really good.

by Dids on Feb 18, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I will say this

Our offensive strategy was to pound the ball and beat them with the dribble drive. It was brutally ineffective.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 18, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Lack of effort is when

you see people walking around as the other team is going for a wide open lay in or dunk. Being outschemed is when you see the players hustling and scrapping in effort to make up for the poor scheme yet they still get scored on. I have never seen such slow and lax rotations and attempts at help defense.

by Cougars Hunt and Kill on Feb 18, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Pomeroy

Experience: 1.56 yrs

Average is 1.7

by Brian Floyd on Feb 18, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes...

So doesn’t that suggest that they aren’t that experienced? Also, you have to understand that at the most critical position (pg)…they are certainly not experienced.

by westsidecougar1 on Feb 18, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

It means they're slightly below average

I think experience is a little overrated, to be honest. Talent will almost always trump experience. It’s only when all things are equal that I think experience can make a difference.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 18, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Looks like coach has quit too.

Maybe not..but I saw him with his head down on the bench.

by westsidecougar1 on Feb 18, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Nuss....we likely disagree on this again...

but you fight to the end and show your players that.

Otherwise, they’ll mirror your behavior.

Tough game. I hate to lose.

You guys are all good fans.

by westsidecougar1 on Feb 18, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

meh, i don't agree with that either

if you’re disgusted with your effort, you let them know.

you’re going to let your players know you’re going to fight for them when they give up?

by BigWood on Feb 18, 2010 7:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I always tell my students I won't work harder than they do

You can’t want it more than they do. These players need to decide how bad they want it.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 18, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I just meant there comes a point where all you can do is shake your head

He pulled every string there was to pull, and none of it made a difference.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 18, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with westside.

Bone quit. Team was already going through the motions.

Go Cougs!

by WSUcougar05 on Feb 18, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions  

So, I'm curious

How exactly do you decide when a coach quits? How do you measure this?

WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 18, 2010 7:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

You just can’t make assumptions when you can’t tell

by Brian Floyd on Feb 18, 2010 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm with you

there was nothing he could do at that point I’m sure he tried every motivational trick in the book. Sometimes you just have to shake your head.

by Cougars Hunt and Kill on Feb 18, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I think some of us are in the....

“let’s make excuses for coach” phase.

Seriously, I’m not trying to be provocative…but I used to do this with our coaches (like Paul Graham). Then I learned that it is their job to keep pushing his guys…keep coaching them up…never give up until the clock shows 0:00. Never.

I saw him hanging his head down. The team did not look prepared today.

At least we got beat by a team with an excellent coach. Howland is one of the best.

by westsidecougar1 on Feb 18, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

"Seriously, I’m not trying to be provocative"

Except that you keep saying the same things. As do I.

So can we just stop?

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 18, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

OK...I'll stop...

I posted over on Cougfan as response to someone calling for Bone’s head right now.

You might be surprised at my response.

Thanks for your web site.

You do a great job Nuss and Co.

by westsidecougar1 on Feb 18, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks.

It’s just a matter of the conversation not going anywhere. We’re going to have to agree to disagree, as neither one of us can be proven right. It’s the beauty of sports.

Unfortunately, unwinnable arguments also get old — for everyone.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 18, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

FYI...I am not here to "win" an argument...

just to provide an alternative viewpoint…that also happens to be difficult to accept at this point.

You all are great fans! I’m on the same team as you and feel passionate about WSU basketball (and WSU sports, in general)…just like you.

Paul Graham was the only coach in the history to make me totally lose interest in WSU basketball. I don’t want to feel that way ever again.

I apologize if I’ve offended anyone.

PS Go USC (tonight).

by westsidecougar1 on Feb 18, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

ha!

nobody’s making excuses for the coach.

but it takes a special kind of person to think they know a coach gave up….from seeing him shake his head.

by BigWood on Feb 18, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

It doesn't take looking at the coach...

to see that he gave up. Just look at the shot chart.

by westsidecougar1 on Feb 18, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess I was mistaken....

…about who gets paid the big bucks to prepare his team to play/compete. Sorry.

I would have respected him for going deep into his bench when things started going south. That was in the first half, as you might recall.

Seriously, I think many on this board could have coached the same game…and done it for a lot less.

by westsidecougar1 on Feb 18, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Let me put it this way...

it doesn’t take anything close to $650k/year to lose a game in that manner.

I’d do it for 1/3 that. K;-)

by westsidecougar1 on Feb 18, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

fair enough.

i volunteered to coach football last year in exchange for having my picture taken with the dance team.

by BigWood on Feb 18, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

ALL OF YOU KNOCK IT OFF

Or you’re all getting 24-hour bans. Seriously.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 18, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

oh thank you

seriously, i’m cheered up now.

i wasn’t aware Bone was out there taking shots.

I bet he wore Stockton shorts

by BigWood on Feb 18, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Westside was correct

That felt like a Paul Graham game. `

by BornCoug on Feb 18, 2010 7:32 PM PST reply actions  

final plus minus

Watson 26
Motum 24
Lodwick 20
Harthun 12
Capers 2
Thames -2
Moore -8
Thompson -20
Koprivica -26
Casto -26

by BigWood on Feb 18, 2010 7:33 PM PST reply actions  

I hope Rochestie

goes to practice again and lets these guys have it. Maybe tell them how important defense is. They aparently aren’t getting that at practice now.

by selahcoug on Feb 18, 2010 7:58 PM PST reply actions  

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