OPEN GAME THREAD: USC @ WSU
by Craig Powers on Feb 20, 2010 1:30 PM PST
in WSU Cougar Basketball
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USC Trojans at Washington St. Cougars, Feb 20, 2010 2:00 PM PST
The Place: THTSP in Pullman, WA
The Coverage: No TV today. Apparently the official athletic site will be webcasting this game (for a fee of course!). Radio stations here. Go to wsucougars.com if you want to pay for audio.
KenPom says: No. 58 USC 62, No. 116 WSU 59 (63 possessions, 60% confidence)
via wsucougars.com
Keys to a Cougar Victory
Reggie Moore was key in the second half comeback for the Cougs down in Los Angeles. He abused Mike Gerrity for easy layins and dumpoffs to his teammates.
Kevin O'Neill knows this and you can bet you he will be doing everything he can to prevent that from happening again. I suspect Reggie will be seeing some extra attention this afternoon. Someone else has to step up and have a big game. As Nuss pointed out over and over and over again last times these two met, USC's offense will disappear for long stretches (especially since they turn the ball over a lot). Those stretches will give opposing teams an opportunity, and the Cougs took advantage in their previous meeting.
Don't expect them to have an elite offensive game, as USC is the best defensive team in the country, but if the Cougs can just be average they can win.
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This kinda game plays into USC's favor.
2-11 for both teams.
by KirklandCoug on Feb 20, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
2-2 at the first media timeout.
Took WSU 5 shots to make their first hoop
Cougs force a shot-clock violation
Sounds like better D today
Well, it doesn't help that it's not on TV
by KirklandCoug on Feb 20, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
I'm honestly only mildly interested in this game
No TV is part of it, but I’m starting not to expect much. Thursday was pretty discouraging.
I think that's true with most Coug fans at this point
But im sticking around.. For now.
by KirklandCoug on Feb 20, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
the thread is as exciting as the game
by Brian Floyd on Feb 20, 2010 2:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I am/was still excited!
I went to sleep at 7am, and pulled myself out of bed around 11am so I could get in line well before noon.
6-6 the score
8 minutes into the game. Ouch.
back to back offensive fouls by us
by Brian Floyd on Feb 20, 2010 2:20 PM PST via mobile reply actions
i've got the tv feed
on line from the coug website.
anyone got a stat line on klay pulling up in transition durning pac-10?
6 misses
Get to the line and see the ball go through the net please
by Brian Floyd on Feb 20, 2010 2:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
klay is so much better when...
he looks to create. i’m a bit suprised team still throw so much at him but it leaves nik and X with chances to score a lot.
You can't be serious.
His constant holding the ball and then pounding it is 90 percent of our offense’s problem when it stalls.
I guess you could call this making a run
by Brian Floyd on Feb 20, 2010 2:29 PM PST via mobile reply actions
this coug student announcers
could easily step in and be fox sports top guys
16-15 WSU with Reggie at the line
With 3 minutes to play in the half. Media Timeout.
Bennett Ball
This is a race to 50
by Brian Floyd on Feb 20, 2010 2:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Bud just said of you take away Klay
Then WSU is shooting over 50%. Shows how much we need him to score.
by KirklandCoug on Feb 20, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
be interesting to see
how we play without klay for an extended period. i’m pretty sure X could go 0-7 as well.
I loved the 16-12 halftime score we had vs Furd...
under DB in 2004(?).
We won in a blowout…58-47…or something close to that. Hahaha.
Those are the types of games I like. But you all already knew that.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 20, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
Then you must like how today is going.
I dont have a specific brand, I just like winning basketball. I believe Bone will get his system in place and have sucsess.
by KirklandCoug on Feb 20, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
The problem is
We know sc can sustain defense. We don’t know that we can
by Brian Floyd on Feb 20, 2010 2:41 PM PST via mobile reply actions
My response to that is we are just a bad passing team
We have been all year. They are putting in effort though, it sounds like. But then again, I can’t see it.
by KirklandCoug on Feb 20, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
I might buy that
If a lot of our turnovers came from bad passes. Seems like most come from carelessness handling the ball.
I just don't think we have passed very well all year.
You are absolutley right on the ball handling turnover, a lot unforced.
by KirklandCoug on Feb 20, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
I think you're right
We’re not a good passing team. But that doesn’t always equal lots of turnovers, like it has at times for this team.
I agree
It’s the stupid turnovers like dribbiling the ball off your foot, illegal screens (which we had 3 in the first half today) and stuff like that.
by KirklandCoug on Feb 20, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
i can see it
way more energy than on Thursday and it “seems” we are playing harder.
Up 4 at half
Klay 0 for 7 but Capers and Dee are playing well
by Brian Floyd on Feb 20, 2010 2:46 PM PST via mobile reply actions
So, as the team approaches their last few games
I know it’s too early to discuss, but what do you guys see for next year?
I don’t know what to think of the PAC-10 itself. Do you think it will be another down year? Who are your top 5 finishers?
I am not sure for most teams, but I know Cal loses a ton
4 Seniors. I am not sure about the rest of the league. UW loses Pondexter, so i see them taking a step down next year as well. Arizona, to me, might be the favorite led by Williams.
by KirklandCoug on Feb 20, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
But will Williams be back?
He’s a tremendous talent.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 20, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
agree with that
but the sonics had drafts where they went robert shift, mama sene, and petro. anything can happen in a NBA draft.
Loaded question....
Don’t get me started…I might get banned.
:-)
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 20, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
i'd like to think we would be top 3
i have to knock UW and Cal down a peg.
take away the UCLA game and our team really isn’t having that bad of a season. of course this game and the next 3 will go a long way to determine where i think we stack up next year. remember last year we went on a mad tear to finish right at or below expectations. we win 3 of the next 4 and a game in the pac-10 tourney, a full season under a new coach, and team full of kids getting a year older and stronger and you’d like to think we have just as good as anyone to win the conference.
No clue
I’d imagine UCLA and AZ come back around. UW should be improved, Cal takes a huge hit. We should be a top 5 team, but it depends a ton on how this team develops over the summer. Or magically finds an effective big man.
by Grady Clapp on Feb 20, 2010 2:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Just wondering why you think UW will improve
I don’t see it. Without Q, they’ll need IT to score alot more, and it won’t be good for them if they need to rely on him. Unless Gaddy or somebody improves a lot over the summer, I see them right around where they are this year.
by KirklandCoug on Feb 20, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Josh Smith
Looks good for UCLA, but he’s like lineman big. I’ve seen him play on ESPNU and wasn’t very impressed from what I’ve read about him. Just that he’s REALLY BIG.
Hes very good
I’ve watched him develop in person. His weight has been an issue coming off injuries, but he should be down in weight by the time he gets to college
by Brian Floyd on Feb 20, 2010 3:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
If Pac-10 teams were companies...
that were publicly traded (and you had equal shares at equal value in each right now), who would be a “buy”, “sell”, and “hold”?
Cal…sell (losing key players)
UW…sell (losing Kew-pon…plus Romar is not showing me much)
ASU…sell (losing key players)
UCLA…buy
Zona…buy
Furd…hold
OSU…sell (new coach?)
UO…buy (new and improved coach)
USC…sell
WSU…buy (more upside than downside)
Just a quick assessment…more time researching might change my view on a couple.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 20, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
I believe that they were picked for #2 in the Pac-10...
…this season. You’ve seen how they’ve performed.
I am not a big LoRo fan. I think he’s an generally an underachiever.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 20, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, he's such an underachiever
He’s been there seven years, led them to the tournament four times, including the Sweet 16 twice. Oh yeah, they were a No. 1 seed one of those years. Look at what the two previous coaches did at Washington — he’s done things there no one has done since Harshman.
You can say they’ve underachieved this year, and that’s fine. But to make a blanket like that is just silly.
OK...
We’ll agree to disagree.
BTW, I like LoRo.
He’s a good guy.
It’s widely acknowledged by their fans that he’s not a “good” coach.
He has been fortunate to reel in B. Roy…and Brockman. Those guys were studs.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 20, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
And getting players is part of a coach's job, isn't it?
Our fans widely acknowledge a lot of things, too. Doesn’t make them correct.
Seems to me you just don't like that style
Which is fine, but just call your assessments what they are — biased.
Yes...no doubt.
I see a team that is generally weak on the road…because they feed off home court emotion like no other team in the Pac-10.
I did an analysis of predicted order of finish vs. actual (I believe it was last season)…and LoRo’s teams underperformed.
PS We are all biased. Every one of us. :-)
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 20, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
That's flawed "analysis" though
You’re assuming the media knows anything about how a team should finish and can accurately predict it. Using that as a baseline is silly. There are wild fluctuations in predicted order of finish every year.
You wanted Bennett ball
You got it. Scoring wise, anyway.
by Grady Clapp on Feb 20, 2010 2:50 PM PST via mobile reply actions
half time stats
WSU: 40.9% off 9-22 shooting (0-5 from 3)
USC: 36.4% off 8-22 shooting (1-7 from 3)
We’re winning the battle of the boards 17 to 10 (6 being offensive). We’re also 5-5 from the line.
by P_Cougar on Feb 20, 2010 2:56 PM PST via mobile reply actions
also, klay is 0-7
wonder when the last time he was held scoreless was? Can’t tell from my POV (under the basket taking pictures) if its b/c of their D or him just being off. They’re doubling reggie almost everytime he gets a touch
by P_Cougar on Feb 20, 2010 3:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
There is a ski jumper from Germany named Andreas Wank
Just thought I’d point that out.
by Jeff Nusser on Feb 20, 2010 3:04 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
D trying to pull a baynes
W/ the shot clock about to hit 0 he throws up the 3
by P_Cougar on Feb 20, 2010 3:05 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I hope gametracker was wrong
It just said dee missed a three
by Brian Floyd on Feb 20, 2010 3:06 PM PST via mobile reply actions
not sure how many of you guys are watching
but yes abe is playing out of his mind. still can’t hit a 3 but is making plays
weird, you put an extra 2k fans in the building
and the energy just seems to go up a bit.
"USC is not a... uh..gifted offensive team"
Bud, you are awesome.
i'm not suprised we play better when the game is slowed down a ton
all these players vs. moore were recruited to do just that.
He was more the D specialist wasnt he
And the cleanup man?
by Brian Floyd on Feb 20, 2010 3:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Both.
He had 4 legitimate scorers with him and Stockton was a great penetrate and dish point guard. He and Karstetter and more could score. When D scored the most was when the team couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn. Then he took over games. The 2007 title game is a great example of it. The 2009 was a balanced team but he still scored 18.
I remember these
He was great on the boards and could out athlete most bigs
by Brian Floyd on Feb 20, 2010 3:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
holy smokes
i take my post back. knowing that i now agree that Casto was brought in to run and gun and should be able to handle it because he did that in high school. thank you for that post.
Down, tiger
See above for the discussion about it
by Brian Floyd on Feb 20, 2010 3:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Klay finally going to the line
With the Cougs up 5.
He needs it
Might get him out of the funk
by Brian Floyd on Feb 20, 2010 3:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
FYI: Klay shot 42.1% from the floor his freshman year and he's shooting 43.1% this season.
He’s never been a high percentage shooter. That accuracy will guarantee he never makes the NBA.
Wow, really?
first, for a jump shooter shooting in the low 40’s isn’t that bad. Right now, people would say that Jerome Randle is a pretty good shooter. He is shooting 46 percent.
3 more makes for every 100 shots.
His eFG is 56.3, which is good. Klay’s is 50.9.
Randle will struggle in the NBA due to size. Klay has the size, and will be a more effective shooter in 2 years. To say he will never make the NBA is simply ridiculous.
klay w/ 1pt after 15 minutes of play
Never thought i’d see that happen
by P_Cougar on Feb 20, 2010 3:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Swiss guy just cleared the hill ski jumping
Wow
by Brian Floyd on Feb 20, 2010 3:25 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Holy crap guys
My friends hooked me up w/ a courtside seat under the USC basket. James Watson nearly took me out on that earlier play.
by Grady Clapp on Feb 20, 2010 3:30 PM PST via mobile reply actions
nice close enough for them to sweat on ya!
If you can't Go Cougs... don't go.
by hollyweirdcoug on Feb 20, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
if you want to see the dork that writes for this place
I’m in a collared wsu shirt next to the ball boys
by Grady Clapp on Feb 20, 2010 3:32 PM PST via mobile reply actions
if i could see the game
Id be making fun of you mercilessly
by Brian Floyd on Feb 20, 2010 3:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
What is it about Kevin O'Neill...
That really makes me want to beat u$c over and over and over… beside the fact that it’s u$c?
Lodwick to line for a 1-1
Cougs need to start hitting their FTs
nice Abe- 2 for 2!
If you can't Go Cougs... don't go.
by hollyweirdcoug on Feb 20, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
over all the cougs are doing fine
D is the only one having trouble. He just happens to be the only one getting to the line
by P_Cougar on Feb 20, 2010 3:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Abe with 8 points
And making a lot of hustle plays. Good game for Abe.
he's in it to win it
Playing w/ a lot of heart and makin plays when we need it
by P_Cougar on Feb 20, 2010 3:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Lodwick is playing well
for his team. It isn’t all about Klay. Right?
If you can't Go Cougs... don't go.
by hollyweirdcoug on Feb 20, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
FYI, Bud
I’m pretty sure it’s physically impossible for a ball to go 3/4 the way down and then come out. Although, I’m not a physicist.
Listening to the game on the radio
Am I mistaken, or did they say that Klay does not have a fieldgoal?
Dammit Nik!
USC with the ball, need a 3 to tie.
Very nice win! Nail biter at the end.
I love beating USC.
Great to see this with Klay not having a good offensive game too.
Those Vegas guys are good.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 20, 2010 3:55 PM PST reply actions
Finally.
So, we have two wins over USC, two wins over Arizona … and a win each over Stanford and OSU. This team is so weird.
weird is about the only way to put it.
by Southpaw Coug on Feb 20, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
I think the opposite of Bud Namek is the Cranberries.
In bizarro world, we would all have ben tuning in for the cranberries, and we would have been freaked out when it abruptly switched to Bud Namek screaming about the hot shooting cougs.
well if that's the theme
Then CranB’s “Empty” fits Klay’s FG’s made.
“Icicle Melts” will be fitting next week when the % catches up and he lights up the dawgs!!!
If you can't Go Cougs... don't go.
by hollyweirdcoug on Feb 20, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
dreaming my dreams...heheheh
If you can't Go Cougs... don't go.
by hollyweirdcoug on Feb 20, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Very happy over the win.
Heading over to Pullman next week for the Husky game, can’t wait.
I was just thinking about that
We were so upset about that Oregon loss because it might keep us out of the postseason. Who knew it would be such a big deal to keep us out of the play-in game?
By the way
Game on TV: Angry game threads, poor play
Not on TV: Civil game threads, win
Maybe this is a stretch
I think it's more of...
Win game: civil game threads
Lose game (in blowout fashion): angry game threads
Feels great to win.
Would love to beat the dogs.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 20, 2010 4:25 PM PST reply actions
Sign ideas for Saturday's game?
I need help coming up with sweet sign ideas for Saturday’s game. Any ideas appreciated.
Sign Idea
Hopefully, it will be something like:
We have Moos in the Palouse!
Good job today guys. Since the game was not on TV or radio here, I spent the afternoon outside. Got on line to get the thread as soon as I got in.
Go Cougs! It’s time to get the Dawgs.
Take your Q-Pon back, we want Moore
Klay Thompson is my man crush
by crimson and gray on Feb 21, 2010 12:33 AM PST up reply actions
Kevin O'Neill
Did anyone see/hear USC’s coach yelling, laughing, and pointing at DeAngelo Casto when he was missing his free throws? He was making fun of D’s misses hard core, which I think is very unprofessional for a coach.
He was also making immature remarks to the refs
After one ref called a travel against USC he walked out on the court and pointed at the ref and said “oh, you showed me didn’t you? big man here.” and the ref came over and warned him to stay quiet or else they’d T him
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