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WAY too early depth chart

EDIT NUSS: Bumped to the front page due to excellency. Enjoy.

I know, I know!  Spring ball hasn't even arrived.  Heck, the spring signing period is only one day old!  But I just couldn't help it.  While the disgust for this past fall's on field product isn't completely gone, I can't help but start feel anxious about pads cracking on the Palouse.

Now, at a number of positions, I'm speculating based on second hand reports of what went on in practice, or on statements garnered here and there regarding the impact new faces will have this coming season.  This assumes everyone is healthy coming out of camp, etc.

Without further comment... a *WAY* too early depth chart.

Star-divide

Offense

QB  Tuel (So), Lobbestael (RS Jr), Gilbertson (RS Fr), Connor Halliday on red alert

RB  Montgomery (RS Sr), Mitz (RS Jr), Winston (So), Burns (RS Fr)

WR  Karstetter (Jr),  Forzani (RS Sr), Kristoff Williams (Fr)

WR  Solomon (RS Jr), Blackledge (RS Sr)

WR  Simone (So), Robert Jiles (Fr)

TE  Stormo (RS So), Aaron Dunn (Fr), Lintz (RS So)

LT  Wade Jacobson (Jr), Pencer (RS So)

LG  Williams (RS Sr), Ayers (RS Jr)

C  Roxas (RS Jr), Valenzuela (RS Fr)

RG  Guerra (RS Jr), Freitag (RS Jr)

RT  Hannam (RS Sr), David Gonzales (Jr)

K  Grasu (RS Sr)

KR  Staden (RS Sr), Ricky Galvin (Fr)

PR  Staden (RS Sr), Ricky Galvin (Fr)

I really hope Tuel stays upright this season.  Halliday may end up having more upside than Tuel, but he *really* needs a RS year to pack on some pounds before being thrown to the wolves.

Montgomery is clearly the biggest question mark here.  He was head and shoulders, the best RB we had before his injury last year.  Reports are good for his return, but you just don't know how much of that explosive step his injury might have taken out of him.

We're getting more bodies at WR, but this may be the weakest position.

Call me crazy, but I think with the new OL coach, a couple new faces and another year in the weight room, we take some major steps up front.

While I generally don't like the idea of burning a redshirt on a Freshman just to have them play special teams, I just don't see how we can keep some of the talent off the field after the last two seasons.

Defense

RE  Brandon Rankin (RS Jr), Travis Long (So), Coerper (RS So)

DT  Wolfgramm (RS Sr), Turpin (RS Sr), Laurenzi (RS So), Luapo (RS Sr)

DT  Spitz (RS So), Sanchez (RS Sr), Clayton (RS Fr)

LE  Kooyman (RS Sr), Hamlett (Sr), Pu'u-Robinson (RS Fr)

Sam  C.J. Mizell (Fr), Higgins (RS Sr), Kaufusi (RS Fr)

Mike  Bland (Jr), Markle (RS Fr), Ledgerwood (RS Jr)

Will  Hoffman-Ellis (RS Jr), Barrington (RS Fr), Ford (RS Jr)

CB  Simmons (RS So), Washington (RS Fr)

CB  Jones (RS Sr), Justin (RS Jr), Carpenter (RS Fr)

SS  Beck (Sr), Atofau (RS Fr), Hayward (RS So)

FS  Nwachukwu (Sr), Daniels (RS So), Locker (RS Fr)

P  Forrest (RS Sr)

Long may end up taking Kooyman's starting spot, but I had Kevin there due to size and experience.  Either way, I'm assuming the top 4 DEs get a lot of playing time.  Turpin and Laurenzi likewise will get lots of playing time, and if Turpin starts out the way he was playing just before his suspension, he'll likely take one of the starting spots. 

I wouldn't be surprised to see Bland moved to Will and Markle taking over the starting position at Mike, nor would I be surprised to see Kaufusi moved to DE.

In the backfield, it really is a crapshoot as to how is shakes out.  We all know about the speed issue we've had, so do we trade speed for experience?  I would not be surprised if we start the season with this starting lineup for CBs and Ss and end up with a completely different lineup halfway through the conference season.

Special Teams additions

Barrington (RS Fr), Kaufusi (RS Fr), Markle (RS Fr), Atofau (RS Fr), Locker (RS Fr), Carpenter (RS Fr), Washington (RS Fr)

Still heavy on youth

We'll still have issues being so young, but just looking at the speed and athleticism being added to the Special Teams coverage alone (without having to plug in a bunch of starters!) has me believing we'll be a lot better.  Not miraculous turnaround, make Wulff coach for life better, but  better on both lines, better at LB, better in the defensive backfield, and much faster at the very least, at every position.

The defense, despite being consistently out manned, seemed to show flashes of real strides last year.  I'm assuming that continues.

The big question for me will be how the offense performs, as last year was pretty disastrous.  I have to believe better protection will lead to better execution.  In my opinion, how much better will be the single *biggest* factor in how the Cougs do next year.

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The O-Line bums me out

I get your optimism and I hope you are right, but it bums me out to see Seniors and Juniors who were so bad last year. It’s always nice to have returning starters, but when those returners aren’t very good, what are you left with.

Buzz Kill … sorry.

I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

by HitKing69 on Feb 4, 2010 10:46 AM PST reply actions  

Not bad but...

First off, Roxas is our center, not Guerra. I also think Galvin will be higher on the running back depth chart and Dunn will be number 1.
Also, you really think Long is going to be the backup? He is better then Kooyman, he will start. He is not only better but bigger even tho I know you mentioned size as an advantage that is not true. I also think that Washington will be one of the corners and Toomer will compete for a spot at safety. I think Daniels will be the other starter besides Chima tho.

Klay Thompson is my man crush

by crimson and gray on Feb 4, 2010 10:56 AM PST reply actions  

I knew that...

can’t believe I got them backwards.

by TiltingRight on Feb 4, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Happens to the best of us

Still a great job! Pretty darn close to what I expect as well.

Klay Thompson is my man crush

by crimson and gray on Feb 4, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess you could say Kooyman is bigger

but going off pure strength Long is. Kooyman weighs more but Long is a bull and is more athletic as well.

Klay Thompson is my man crush

by crimson and gray on Feb 4, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

It doesn't much matter

All the defensive linemen are going to play a lot. That’s the position on the field where players are rotated most liberally.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 4, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Also

Freitag is out, as far as I know, but Danaher is in. This is if I read the latest report right

by Brian Floyd on Feb 4, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree about Long

He wore down last year as a true frosh but is the best pass rusher on the team. (havn’t seen Rankin yet). He should start. Also agree about Nolan Washington. Coaches raved about him and I like him and Simmons as the starters. Brandon Jones didn’t impress me too much.
I think Dunn starts of Stormo too. Just for his blocking at this point. At RB I think Winston tops the chart with Mitz and Galvin seeing plenty of time. Arthur Burns is making the switch to LB last I heard. I just don’t see Montgomery making it back, which sucks.
Finally I think Jamal Atofau makes a strong push for SS.

by cougfan45 on Feb 4, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Burns moved to LB

on the scout team due to lack of depth. I’d read that he’d had a minor injury at the time, otherwise he would have had his redshirt burned, not Winston. He’s supposedly that good, according to more than one person I’ve chatted with.

by TiltingRight on Feb 4, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I know he was rated higher

than Winston coming out of HS. I think Rivals actually had him as our best prospect (but Rivals sucks so…)
I wouldn’t be against him moving back to RB though, even though I’m really looking forward to the Winston/Mitz/Galvin trio next year.

by cougfan45 on Feb 4, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Montgomery

I’m not sure we can count on him. He’s not only coming off of the calf injury that could’ve been career ending but is now recovering from microfracture surgery on his knee (not sure if these are related). Either way, it’s a tough road to come back

by Brian Floyd on Feb 4, 2010 11:06 AM PST reply actions  

agree with cougfan.

Montgomery playing again in any capacity would be a huge story. Starting is expecting too much (though, good on him if he can).

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.

by Gekko Mojo on Feb 4, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Hadn't heard about the surgery

and the hypothetical was based on everyone coming back healthy, FWIW.

I know he was way ahead of schedule in his recovery, but don’t know what that means as far as on the field ability. Since I was doing a bit of a fantasy lineup, I wanted to throw him in there.

by TiltingRight on Feb 4, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

That was the worst-case scenario

But Wulff has said for a while now that he’s coming along better than the doctors expected.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 4, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

With the microfracture

Id assume he wouldn’t be ready for another year. If he is ready this year I don’t see him being full strength. What’s his eligibility? Is it worth it to apply for a med redshirt if possible? I hope he gets back because of how sad the fluke injury was

by Brian Floyd on Feb 4, 2010 5:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

This will be his RS Senior year.

He could apply for a medical waiver and get one more if he sits out the entire year.

by TiltingRight on Feb 4, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

That may be the route to go

He relies on explosiveness and I don’t see him having it this year. Id rather him sit instead of trying to go and reinjure. Well see how he looks as it gets closer I guess

by Brian Floyd on Feb 4, 2010 5:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

If he sits out the year, there is absolutely no guarantee he gets it back

You only get it back if both years you missed were due to injury. That’s not the case with Montgomery. The NCAA only makes RARE exceptions to this precedent.

by Jeff Nusser on Feb 4, 2010 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

That's right, two years missed due to injury and you get one back

The rare exceptions happen for top 10 programs, not schools like WSU.

by Coug1990 on Feb 4, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

The curious case will be to see what happens with EJ Savannah at UW. If he is granted a 6th year (broke his arm and was booted one year, injured for part of one season if I understand right), it shows something. Montgomery would have missed all but 3 games this year and all of next were that to happen. Either way, it isn’t a guarantee.

by Brian Floyd on Feb 4, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

And I was off about Savannah

Apparently they didn’t use his RS his freshman year when he had neck stingers and then he missed 2008 with an arm wrestling injury.

by Brian Floyd on Feb 5, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Wulff has been very optimistic

as far as I have heard about Montgomery returning. Also Ball has said on the radio that Burns was moved to defense to improve the speed on that side of the ball and that is where he will stay assuming he can pick it up well. He is one of our fastest players.

by brinkislikevickheabusesdawgs on Feb 4, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Let's get it going!

I’m stoked to see the improvement at every position. I believe the coaches are doing things right, across the board. Competitve season’s are on the horizon! GO COUGS!!!

by Hare on Feb 4, 2010 1:31 PM PST reply actions  

Rec'd

Klay Thompson is my man crush

by crimson and gray on Feb 4, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Kaufusi wil be at DE

I saw somewhere yesterday that he would be moved to DE. With the apparent sudden depth that we have at LB 9(albeit mostly unproven), I wonder if Burns will be switched back to RB?

by Yakicoug on Feb 4, 2010 4:53 PM PST reply actions  

Sadly, making me think about football and our depth, or lack thereof

gets me a bit nausea. I don’t think I can take another train wreck on the field type of performance all season long. I might be looking for the nearest 100 story building to jump off.

by ptowncoug3012 on Feb 4, 2010 5:01 PM PST reply actions  

Have faith

We are gaining a lot more talent that we lost this past year.

by AlexWSU on Feb 4, 2010 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I must have drank JUST enough

to blot out the worst of last year’s memories…. Selective brain cell destruction will make someone rich.

by TiltingRight on Feb 4, 2010 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

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