Our defense stinks, and there's a clear reason why
It's said that great minds think alike, and while I'm not sure if thinking alike makes great minds or the other way around, I can tell you this: After about one minute of looking at last night's box score, I had the exact same take on the game as Grady.
I didn't follow the game live because yesterday was my beautiful wife's birthday and I'm not (generally) a stupid man, so I waited until just before heading to bed to sneak a peek at the final stats. Probably like most of you, my eye initially gravitated toward Klay Thompson's line, which was again awful. "Dangit ... lost another game because of Klay's shooting."
But then I caught myself. "Wait a second ... 81 points? From ASU?" I hadn't calculated possessions yet, but ASU games almost always end up under 65 possessions. You don't have to be a math wiz or Ken Pomeroy disciple to know that's way more than 1.0 points per possession (which, of course, is an average defensive performance).
Turns out, the game was played at 68 possessions, which worked out to 1.19 points per possession -- not as bad as I first thought, but still patently terrible. And I think that's the rub. Sure we can talk about the shooting as much as we want, but until this team learns to start playing some defense, it's going to be facing an amazingly uphill battle every game. I mean, if you're counting on over 51 effective FG percentage to win -- we're 4-1 in Pac-10 games over that mark and 0-5 in games under it -- well, you're going to have a lot of long nights.
Grady pointed out our overall ranking in the conference in defense, but I want to illustrate it to you in a little different way. Check out each opponent's offensive performance against us, and how it compares to their overall offensive efficiency in Pac-10 play:

You can see a full-size graph here, but you don't need to look at it all that closely to know we're playing some bad, bad, bad defense. Basically, every team is experiencing better- to much-better results against our defense, as only once in 10 tries have we held an opponent below their overall Pac-10 mark.
How to explain it?
Well, one thing I know about myself is that I'm not a big X's and O's guy, although I do hope to get better at that as time rolls on. But I've watched enough basketball over the years that I can identify some of the characteristics of great defenses.
One of the things that struck me on Saturday watching the UW game was just how much of that 2-3 zone we played, and just how gawd-awful it is. You can read up on the principles of a zone here, but basically I saw a bunch of guys who didn't communicate well, got too far out of their zone to the point that they couldn't recover on the heels of a good pass, and didn't keep their hands in the passing lanes.
It was the sort of performance that made me long for ... well, you know.
It wasn't so much my disdain for the zone -- which I do have -- that made me feel that way. (You can listen to my thoughts on the zone defense here; it's in the second half of the show.) It was more that they weren't very good at it -- certainly not good enough at it to play it for three quarters of the game. It just looked amateurish, the sort of junk that any half-decent team will figure out if you give them enough time, as UW (and UCLA the weekend before) eventually did.
Fast forward to last night. I didn't see the game, but Grady did, and he told me they played very little (if any, he couldn't remember for sure) zone. It was all man-to-man. Yet, the results were the same.
Which leads me to my point. There was a fear early in the year that getting away from pack-line defense would be our demise. I countered with the idea that our defense would be different, and probably look worse, but that it would be a net gain in the end because of our increased offensive output. The idea is this: There are a lot of ways to play defense -- the Bennett pack-line defense, the Romar ball-pressure defense, the Boeheim/Sendek matchup zone -- and virtually all of them have merit.
But the one thing you must have in whatever defense you employ -- the one thing you see out of any great defense -- is that you must be committed to whatever you play, and play whatever you play with conviction.
Dick Bennett would have died before he played anything other than that pack-line defense, and by golly his guys are going to sell out to execute its man-to-man principles -- or find somewhere else to play. Lorenzo Romar would rather quit coaching than play pack-line, because he wants his team to run. So they pressure the ball -- relentlessly. Jim Boeheim recruits players specifically to make his 2-3 matchup zone come alive. And they all work, because their players believe in the system. The know it like it's second nature. They play it with conviction.
We, on the other hand, have no defensive identity. And with no identity, there is no commitment or conviction.
And without commitment and conviction, there is no defense.
Which is what we have right now.
We play a crappy 2-3 zone part of the time, a ball-pressure defense part of the time, a modified pack-line part of the time ... and aren't good at any of it. We are the proverbial "jack of all trades, master of none." Guys don't sell out to be in the right spot because of that split second of indecision caused from the constant mixing of defenses. And when it comes time to make a critical stop, we can't do it.
I have no problem with throwing different looks at different teams occasionally, and in fact loved Bone's zone when it was first deployed. Seemed like a great strategic move at the time, the sort that we never saw out of Tony Bennett. But that was when I thought it was going to be an occasional thing, not a staple. This constant mixing of defenses is a big reason I think this team seems to be regressing, rather than progressing.
It's time for the mixing of defenses for extended possessions to stop. Granted, it's going to be tough to make any kind of move in that direction at this point; with 22 games down and about 10 to go, it's awful late to change things up. But the reality is, we're getting absolutely killed with what we're doing, so there's really nothing to lose. There are 10 games left to try and get this team ready to make a run in the Pac-10 tournament, and the goal at this point should be to get this team ready for that -- wins or losses along the way be darned.
So coach, to you I say: Pick your ideal defense and stick with it. Get your players to sell out for it. If it doesn't work over the final 10, oh well -- any chance you had of making the NCAA's as an at-large team is likely already gone, anyway. Maybe you take a couple of lumps along the way, but maybe you end up playing great ball by the beginning of March and you're poised to make a run in a Pac-10 tournament that can be won by anyone. That potential is there with this crew.
It could backfire, no doubt. This team could get worse and get bounced in the opening round of the Pac-10 tournament. However, worst case scenario, you've now instilled a philosophy and belief system that will carry over with a team that will return virtually intact next year. You're now 10 games ahead of next year's curve.
Maybe you want to use another defense. Fine. But please, whatever you do from here on out ... do it with some gosh darned conviction.
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I couldn't agree more
I have been all for Coach Bone and I think he is a very smart coach, but it looks like we don’t even practice defense. I understand that we are young, but they have got to put in more effort. I thought keeping on some of the assistant coaches would ease the transition between coaching philosophies and ensure that we would still be solid defensively, but obviously that hasn’t happened. I think we need another off-season of work before we see some solid D. Unless we shoot 60% for the rest of the year…
That graph makes me ill.
It really does show just HOW bad we’ve been. on D.
There’s not excuse for it, IMO. I get wanting to throw different looks at the opposition for 3 or 4 minutes in a game here and there, but like you said, there ought to be a “bread and butter” defense that the kids are really good at and understand intimately. There isn’t one. And as so many have mentioned before, you can play good D every night, you can’t necessarily shoot great every night.
I have become less and less impressed with Bone over the course of the season because this doesn’t seem to resolve itself, which tells me they’re not focusing on it in practice. I’m not calling for his head or anything like that, I think he CAN fix it, but crap… DO IT!
I think people forget how young we are
and also obviously we have a new system, but we are all freshmen and sophomores pretty much. I think the defense will come but it will be in time, just like the offense was in the old system. Compare the efficiency ratings of this years team and the Low Weaver sophomore team: http://kenpom.com/team.php?team=Washington%20St.&y=2006
http://kenpom.com/team.php?team=Washington%20St.
That team was better at defense than this one was at offense, but our defense isn’t as bad as the 06 offense was.
Klay Thompson is my man crush
by crimson and gray on Feb 5, 2010 6:18 PM PST reply actions
Which was what we worried about a few months ago
We’re stuck between trying to keep the old system and using a new system and now we have a hodgepodge of defenses.
Agreed
but I dont know if we have any defense we could be good at this year. I feel like if he wasn’t changing defenses we would all be complaining more then this about the defense.
Klay Thompson is my man crush
by crimson and gray on Feb 5, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
A great deal of defense is
making the effort to stay with/stop your man. There’d be lapses that puts someone in the wrong place on occasion as they learn, but they’d always be hustling. Often times, there isn’t even the effort. Add that to learning bits and pieces of 3 different defenses and you have 10th place in defensive efficiency in the Pac.
I'm also getting a bit frustrated with Bone.
Seems like we are regressing in a few areas over the course of the season. I know we don’t have great depth but Bone needs to find a rotation and stick with it. I think that’s where a lot of the inconsistency comes from.
Rotations aren't it
He has a pretty clear rotation at this point, and it’s clear who he wants on the floor for the large majority of minutes.
Some may scratch their head at seeing Allen, Harthun, and others on the floor at the same time, but there’s reasons for it. Whether it be to spell the stars or because of foul trouble, that will happen occasionally. For the most part, we know who will be on the floor when, though.
Yup, I've got no problems with the rotations
The parts that are Pac-10 caliber are seeing consistent minutes, and he’s just mixing and matching with the rest of them.
Hmm, Ok
I must not be paying enough attention then because I can’t predict when we’ll see Harthun/Watson/Thames/Lodwick/Enquist/Allen coming in to the game.
I can't either, because it's hard to play 6 on 5
Kidding.
It’s been pretty obvious. Watson and Enquist are Casto’s backups. If we’re playing against more athletic bigs, Watson gets the call. If not, it’s Enquist. Thames is play almost 25 a game now and is nearly a starter. Hathun is there to give any one of our shooting guard a blow and is an outlier in the rotation. Lodwick is the same deal at this point, giving Nik a blow. Allen is also an outlier.
The rotation consists of the starters, Watson/Enquist, Thames, and Lodwick. It doesn’t mean he has to have a strict time when each rotates in and seems he goes more by the flow of the game and the fatigue of the players on the court.
It wouldn't be a strict time
but you should be able to predict based on approximate time when/who subs in and out. I don’t think it’s central to our defensive woes, but it’s certainly an issue. Bone himself has acknowledged a few times he didn’t manage rotations well.
I agree
And I think we’ve gone in to plenty of depth so far about how he doesn’t really use subs all that much either. I’m not sure what kind of tangible effect rotations have on the team, but I doubt it’s messing up our defense, like you said.
I think there is another key element missing from this team besides a defensive emphasis
that has made the transition to a new coach, new philosophy, and new system very difficult. I really think the Cougs are missing strong, emotional leadership. Nic is a great guy and is playing well under Bone’s system, but I don’t think he has the strong leadership traits that can aid coach Bone in getting the team to buy into what the coach is selling. Without a group of experienced players selling out day-in and day-out, imploring perfection from their younger teammates, the young kids don’t know how hard to work or how good they can be. I think in a year or two, that will be different. Reggie seems to have that steeliness and fire, as well as Casto. Just look how far the Weaver-Cowgill group progressed over a couple of years. I remember Dick Bennett’s last year (when those kids were freshmen and sophs), the Cougs were in almost every game, but almost always came up short. Do you remember how frustrating that was? Have some patience, let the players gain that maturity and experience, and they will come through for you.
Honestly, we have about four guys I can think of off the top of my head...
who are emotionally immature.
Three of those guys are starters.
I don’ t want to call them out individually, but you all can figure it out. They need to toughen up (and this is something that Bone needs to model from the sideline and in practice) and get over themselves and start leading.
When the chips are down and the shots aren’t falling, it’s not time to hang your head, it’s time to rally the team and toughen up the defense.
Another big criticism I have for Mr. Bone (and I sit close to the WSU bench), is he needs to stop railing ~100% of the game over “bad” calls and focus on coaching his team up. They need his guidance and encouragement when things get rough and we start falling behind.
If he acts like a victim (of refs’ calls), then the entire team will fall into that destructive mentality.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 5, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Offense is hurting too!
-I have been outspoken against Bone most of the year because of the lack of emphasis on defense and discipline. Reggie is one of if not the worst defensive player in the entire league. I would have started Thames a long time ago and told Reggie until he plays intense solid defense then he would not see the floor.
-Our offense also has a big part in our defensive liabilities. We don’t have any shot discipline. ON a lot of the runs we have gave up this year, turnovers or early contested shots have led to runouts and very poor transition D.
-We need to get back to good fundamental basketball, amazing that we lost this in less than one year since Bennett left. If no fast break is available, Make the defense work by passing the ball and setting screens to achieve the optimal shot until inside of ten on the shot clock. When you make a player or team work on defense, it drastically effects their offense. Sprint back on defense and play with a sense of urgency. Play good team defense and blockout. It’s not that hard and youth has very little to do with it.
-Defense is mostly effort and teamwork, there our defensive subtleties that can be picked up with experience but for the most part it’s effort and we lack it.
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Until Reggie shows a committment to tough D, I would...
sit him and play Thames.
I think it’s more than just “effort” that is lacking (although that is an important aspect). It’s also about beating your guy to the place he wants to go…and good fundamentals, as you state.
I used to attend practices from time-to-time when DB and TB were the head coaches. I can tell you that the main point of emphasis was getting defensive stops and working extremely hard on closing off the key so no one can drive into it for an easy shot.
I have not attended any of the practices since Bone arrived, but I need to do this to see how the emphasis has changed. Anyone else seen them practice? If so, I’d love to hear your impressions.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 5, 2010 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
Reggie is our best offensive player
Can’t put him on the bench, no matter how bad he is defensively. Period.
Nuss....we'll agree to disagree...
on this.
Sorry, but what good is our “best offensive player” if he also plays defense in a way that cancels that out?
Thames is a good one. He plays much better defense too.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 5, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
Reggies D does not cancel his O
And the offense would look completely different. You just can’t sit him
by Brian Floyd on Feb 5, 2010 11:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
If you ever want to be good you can.
But, it only makes sense to bench him in the problem is effort.
Mind you, the kid I know quite well that played for Bone at Portland State basically said if you were a good offensive player you didn’t need to play a lick of D. And that Bone NEVER taught defence in practice. When they did bother with it, an assistant handled it and Bone didn’t seem interested. Mind you, this is a kid that was never happy with his playing time, so take it for what it’s worth.
by Coug Friendly Canuck on Feb 6, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Hop on....
ASU: 13 pts, 1 TO vs Lockett 10 pts 3 TO
UW: Gross
UCLA: 24 pts, 2 TO vs Lee 9 pts 4 TO
USC: 21 pts, 5 TO vs Gerrity 10 pts, 1 TO
I have no idea if these were who he was on, but I’m assuming he was charged with guarding the point.
I think everyones looking at the UW game and panicking. He had a terrible game with turnovers, but remember, Moore’s TO rate is going to be inflated. The passer gets charge with a TO if the guy receiving it is standing out of bounds (Abe) or it deflects off their hands, etc. He’s really not that terrible.
And then i realized we were in zone
So I can’t really pin down who’s responsibility was whose. Still I’d argue that his scoring outbursts in both those games easily canceled any defensive deficiencies. His TO rate is only slightly worse than Casto, Nik, and two points worse than X. It is also better than Abe, and WAY better than Charlie (SSS for both, I’d assume).
I completely agree
As long as his offense is well above his defensive lapses/TO’s, he is a valuable asset on the floor. Lately he’s been the most important part of our offense (although I’d give Nik a nod there).
Reggie also creates
If we were to plug in X instead you would seed a much different offense. X can create his own shot but Reggie creates for others. He was made to run this offense. I’m willing to accept some turnovers if it means he’s pushing the ball and getting runouts
by Brian Floyd on Feb 6, 2010 3:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I love X's midrange game
but yeah Reggie just creates so much that happens for our offense. When he is out there is a huge void in the offense.
I see what you're saying to some degree
I don’t necessarily agree with your complaint about lack of discipline on offense — our offense has, for the most part, been good enough to win.
But I used to agree with you about effort and urgency, until the last couple of weeks. It’s much easier to play with effort and urgency if you’re confident about where you’re supposed to be at any given time. If you’re unsure, that indecision can look like a lack of effort, when it’s actually just confusion — which I saw LOTS of during the UW game.
So, with all due respect...
Mr. Nuss pounded me for saying our defense was terrible many weeks ago (early in the season).
I feared this problem from the day we hired coach Bone.
What I’ve been saying also is do one type of defense and do it very well. I hate zone D, but if you are going to do zone, be good at it and do just that. If you are going to do man-to-man, do that and be excellent at it.
We won’t be as good defensively as we have been under the two prior coaches, but we don’t have to be that good. Just solid. Being #200+ is not even close to solid.
by westsidecougar1 on Feb 5, 2010 10:41 PM PST reply actions
For the record...
Wazzu is the 2nd worst defensive team in the BCS conferences according to KenPom. The only team that’s worse is Notre Dame at #239.
by Coug Friendly Canuck on Feb 6, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Pack/ No Pack
I think early in the season, they tried to do a modified pack defense, but also cover the 3. They were getting killed because they were trying to do two different defenses and it didn’t work. Daven Harmeling wrote a good stroy about it on Cougfan. Since then, I think they have gone away from the pack completely and really just don’t know what they are doing. The guys who have been around really only know the pack and the newer guys don’t know what they are supposed to do.
I think Nuss is right on. Bone needs to pick a system they are going to run and stick with it. Sure a zone once in a while against specific teams is fine, but have a base defense. I think he either needs to let Ben Johnson take over and coach the pack, or go in an entirely different direction next year. Personally, I would love for Ben Johnson to implement the pack again, and still have a more uptempo offense, that is under control. I know they wouldn’t be able to run as much a Bone wants to, but something has to give. With the lack of a true big man, I think the pack would be beneficial this year. Or even a good match up zone similar to ASU. I just hope they put some emphasis on D because what they are doing isn’t working, especially when they are not hitting shots.
Moore's Benching!!
Benching Reggie is not about wether his offense makes up for his defense or not. ON some nights it does and on other nights it doesn’t. It’s about accountability, If we are to reach our potential we must play solid defense. Reggie lacks a sense of urgency (effort) on the defensive end. He also lacks focus which in my opinion comes from his lack of will to play defense. He isn’t responding to critique, so maybe he will respond to not playing. Bennett would not have played a player like Reggie until he played hard on D.
Teams often take on the personality of their coaches and it is important to preach defense from the time a player sets foot on campus. Every player wants to play offense but a lot don’t wont to play D. That is why it must be stressed from the outset and accountability must be demanded, which is why I think Reggie should sit until he figures it out. It is vital to the overall success in the near and distant future.
Are we making this the game thread?
I have nothing to contribute; I can’t find a feed.
by Coug Friendly Canuck on Feb 6, 2010 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
Not in my country.
You might have better luck in yours, though.
by Coug Friendly Canuck on Feb 6, 2010 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
Is that an early Motum sighting for real?
Or is Gametracker on crack?
by Coug Friendly Canuck on Feb 6, 2010 5:46 PM PST reply actions
It's a real Motum sighting
He’s looking mighty pale
reggie losing FSN's text poll for freshman of the year
i thought Cougs owned online polling….

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