A scholarship chart update, with a bone to pick
There's really no excuse for my failure to update the CougCenter basketball scholarship chart since last fall. It might've even had David Chadwick on there before I updated it this morning (by the way: I don't think we give Tony Bennett enough credit for selfishly bolting on BOTH his coaching staff and a young man who committed to play basketball 2,000 miles away from home just for him. Chadwick later committed to play basketball for Ben Braun (remember that guy?) at Rice.)
Anyway, it's all square now, just in time to watch it implode with roster moves and such over the summer. Actually, I hope there aren't any significant changes to it over the spring, because that would mean we've lost a player or two. And I don't like transfers. The reaction to transfers generally goes like this:
-What?? Player X?? But he was young/had potential/had a cool haircut. WHAT IS WRONG WITH OUR PROGRAM?
-Oh, Player X is going to San Diego Community State College? I guess he wasn't that highly thought of after all.
-Boy, this was a win/win for our program and the young man! Best of luck to him!
-Now we can sign that C/PF/SF/PG/SG we need so badly. We'll totally grab a five star player with this scholarship!
-Two years later: You know, we really could've used that Player X fellow this year. I don't really know that for a fact, I'm just saying we really need a lanky center/quick guard/charismatic forward to help this team win right now.
That's the natural progression. Potential not realized is sad - for every Robbie Cowgill, Daven Harmeling and Taylor Rochestie out there there is a Thomas Abercrombie, Fabian Boeke or Stephen Sauls. Sometimes a player with skills that can hurt you transfers, like Mac Hopson. I was breathing a sigh of relief when we put away Idaho this year, because it just would've stung to see him beat his former team. Not to mention the fact he could've been a senior excelling in Bone's system this year.
However, transfers in are awesome. If only we had room on this roster. Which brings me to the chart, and my next point.
| 2009-10 |
2010-2011 |
2011-12 |
2012-13 |
2013-14 |
| Koprivica |
Aden |
Aden |
Bjornstad |
Simon |
| Capers |
Capers |
Capers |
Brown |
OPEN |
| Casto |
Casto |
Casto |
Moore |
OPEN |
| Enquist (RS) |
Harthun |
Harthun |
Motum |
OPEN |
| Harthun |
Lodwick (RS) |
Lodwick (RS) |
Thames |
OPEN |
| Lodwick (RS) |
Thompson |
Thompson |
Watson (RS) |
OPEN |
| Thompson |
Bjornstad |
Bjornstad |
Simon |
OPEN |
| Bjornstad |
Brown |
Brown |
OPEN |
OPEN |
| Brown |
Moore |
Moore |
OPEN |
OPEN |
| Moore |
Motum |
Motum |
OPEN |
OPEN |
| Motum |
Thames |
Thames |
OPEN |
OPEN |
| Thames |
Watson (RS) |
Watson (RS) |
OPEN |
OPEN |
| Watson (RS) |
Simon |
Simon |
OPEN |
OPEN |
| Non-Scholarship Players |
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| Loewen (RS) |
Enquist (RS)?* |
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| Allen (RS) |
Loewen (RS) |
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| Bragg |
Allen (RS) |
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| Bragg |
Senior
Junior
Sophomore
Freshman
Redshirt Season
(RS) denotes redshirt used
?* - we don't really know for sure where Enquist will fall next year
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You don't even need a chart to state the obvious, which is that we are set to lose our entire scholarship roster, minus Patrick Simon, in 2012 and 2013. However, a lot can change between now and then, and between transfers, injuries and new signees the makeup of the chart could change considerably.
But as of right now, there is no balance. None. We are setting up to be a boom-and-bust team, with the ability to win games only in two year stretches when all our players are upperclassmen. That may be one way to win in Pullman, but it puts a lot of pressure on those upperclassmen teams to perform, because if they don't we sink back to the bottom of the conference.
Case in point: what are your expectations for the next two years? Me, I expect a postseason appearance next year. NIT is acceptable, if a little underwhelming. NCAA is what I'd like to see, as the Pac-10 won't be miles stronger than it is this year (although things couldn't get any worse than this year. I think.). When Klay/Capers/Casto are seniors, we make our next Sweet 16 run. Anything less would be a disappointment in my book. If we don't make the tournament at all, we've done a Dobaesque squandering of all our program momentum. Exactly like the failure to build on the ten-win seasons. A failure that could put Bone on the hot seat.
A disappointing final year by the Klay class hurts us, because right now we are set up to have repeat of 2008-09 after that. A solid - if not spectacular - senior class, bolstered by freshmen, Patrick Simon and not much else. Boom and bust repeats after that.
Bone could've avoided the lack of balance by doing something ridiculously easy: redshirting freshmen this season. Anthony Brown and Steven Bjornstad haven't played enough minutes to even closely defend burning their redshirts. Motum was key in the Arizona win, but otherwise would have probably been better served sitting out this season. Redshirts give you five years instead of four to develop a player, and can balance a large freshman class like this one. Bone failed to take advantage. This irks me more than the whole "we only play one half" and "we don't win big games" criticisms being tossed around out there.
Then again, Bone may just not care. Scholarships aren't guaranteed for four years. He may be anticipating transfers, changes, and other unforseen issues coming into play. Over time, the roster clog may just work itself out. Players that fit Bone's system may work their way in, and with Klay and co. leading us to an Elite Eight in 2012, the program will be all right.
Still, I hope Ken Bone has a plan. A long term one. Or else, for the second time in ten years, a Cougar athletic program may squander all the momentum it worked so hard to earn.
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Man, we really could've used Josh Akognon
And that chart is scary to look at. I’m not sure how he’s going to find balance, but he needs to somehow. I think he’s anticipating transfers as we go along, but who really knows for sure.
Forgot about Akognon
Would’ve been nice to have last year, although he never quite materialized into the NBA talent he seemed to think he was.
Plus, he wouldn't have been around last year, anyway
He used a redshirt to transfer, which he wouldn’t have used here.
Same with Hopson.
He wouldn’t have played for Bone.
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by Craig Powers on Mar 2, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
RIght. But they both could've used redshirts if they felt they were too far back
On the ol’ depth chart.
So, in theory, they still could have played their respective years if they could’ve manned up and waited. Mainly I’m talking about Hopson; Akognon just seemed to hate Bennett Ball
One more note
I forgot to mention we don’t have any room for the big man we so desperately need. At least not yet.
Gotta find him somewhere
If any of you know of an athletic big that enjoys long walks on the beach and likes playing next to guys named DeAngelo, please call Ken Bone.
not to fear
I’ve been assured they grow on trees.
by BigWood on Mar 2, 2010 12:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
One thing for everyone to keep in mind
Is that redshirts can be used at any time. It’s possible one or more of the guys who still need seasoning end up redshirting next year. I could definitely see that being the case with Brown if he doesn’t transfer.
I was thinking that too
He can still redshirt guys next year, or whenever, to create balance. That may be one of the routes he goes
But it's pretty unusual to see players redshirt for the first time as a soph/junior/senior
Unless it’s me taking over a dynasty in NCAA Football for the XBox.
by Grady Clapp on Mar 2, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
There's an extremely strong presumption against redshirts among basketball coaches/teams
Normally a guy has to be totally unable to play at an appropriate level before a coach will actually go that road.
Moreover, he has to be someone you think will eventually BE able to play at that level. If you look at a guy and say “geez, we really blew it on this dude, he’s terrible”, there’s no incentive to redshirt him— he’ll just spend a fifth year clogging up your roster. Bad idea. Yes, technically you could release him, but that’s very poor form and reflects badly on the coach and program.
Brown and Bjornstad may well fall into that category.
Look at what other programs in the league have done this year. Cal declined to redshirt Bak Bak, who ended up being ineligible for the spring semester anyway and played only garbage time in the first half of the season. UCLA played Tyler Honeycutt even though he was obviously working at like 50% of capacity. ASU and Arizona spent a year of the eligibility of their Russian tall guys (Pateev and Natyazhko) for no obvious reason.
It just isn’t the “done thing.”
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yep
I’m not entirely sure redshirting brown or bjornstad would be beneficial to the team, especially if it means having them take up a roster spot for an extra year.
by BigWood on Mar 2, 2010 1:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I could understand redshirting Bjornstad
Since he was one of Bone’s own recruits and it’s been known all along it was going to be a project with him.
by Brian Floyd on Mar 2, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I just think unless the player is going to CONTRIBUTE, they should redshirt
Five years is better than four, and getting players to stick around until 23 – when they are much more mature than 18 – can only help you.
I know conventional wisdom might be to avoid redshirts, but I think that attitude is wrong.
well, here's the thing...
would you rather have a 5th year of a project that may or may not pan out, or would you rather have a roster spot open for a big(ger) name freshman?
Most players hate redshirting
I think coaches hate it too, but players REALLY hate it. Everything I’ve read re players who underwent it says that they absolutely loathed the experience.
Not to beat the drum incessantly, but reputation is important. Just like you don’t want a reputation as a program that needlessly cuts loose players just because the coach blew it on evaluating their skills, you don’t want a reputation as a program where a guy will have to spend an incredibly frustrating year on the bench (and become damaged goods as a transfer) if he doesn’t manage to leap into the rotation from Day One.
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If I was a player...
I would relish a red-shirt year! That would be another free year of school! Is there any stipulation that athletes have to be undergraduates or could a player hypothetically use a fifth year to begin studying for a graduate degree??? Yeah, I know that most probably use the fifth year just to take a lighter course load throughout, but hypothetically…? Granted, my mentality on education is probably far from most basketball or football athletes…
You can work on a graduate degree.
I have a friend who redshirted and got his Master’s before he left WSU.
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Harthum should be looking elsewhere
Harthum seems to be a guy who is just not putting it together and stepping up tot he pac-10 level. With his RS still available he seems to be the most prime candidate for transferring. With Aden coming in and X showing skills, Harthum’s chances for playing time are dwindling not increasing. He has to know that if he went to EWU or back to oregon and Portland State that he’d have a chance at starting.
Motum and Bjornstad are both RS candidates (assuming Bone still believes in Bjornstad). Personally I haven’t seen Bjornstad play to have an opinion. I’ve seen enough from Motum to think he has monster potential. We need bigs, but Motum also needs maturity and strength, so he can go either way. If Bjornstad really is somebody Bone believes in, then he should redshirt and give Charlie playing time even if Charlie doesn’t get a scholarship. Since Charlie already redshirted, he’s not going anyway, so he’ll have the option of playing as a non-scholarship player or not playing at all.
If Harthum transfers (or Brown or Bjornstad decide they are not a fit) then Lonnie Pearson is still available, no? As far as I can tell he hasn’t committed anywhere. I’d like to see Harthum transfers, Bjornstad redshirt, and we pick up a late signing freshman like Pearson. That’d put 3 names in last column, which is better than 1.
I'm not against burning redshirts
because you never know when someone might get hurt early and miss an entire season. It’s nice to have a medical redshirt to fall back on.
However, you still only get five years
Regardless of when the off year comes… So if you’re not going to get significant playing time in your first year does it really matter?
That is a good point, though, and it is a great help to players who do contribute their freshman through senior years.
Transfers will take place
Hopson wanted to start and wasn’t going to over Rotchestie. Off to Idaho for him. Also, Bennett may not have been willing to redshirt him keeping him on the roster for 5 years.
When you are a guard and your redshirt is burned for what seems like no reason then you are probably a transfer candidate. Brown fits into this category. Harthun may fit into the Hopson category.
Enquist works hard and I am sure is a great kid. I just don’t see him taking a scholarship for 2 more years. He looks like a deep backup at this point.
They need another big and for that to happen someone will lose their ride. I don’t think they will go into next year hoping Watson, Motum, and Bjornstad are ready for major playing time or depend on true freshman Simon to take the 4.
Simon might be able to play the 4 right away
But he’s more of a perimeter shooter, so he’ll basically just fill the current Nik/Abe role. Assuming he can rebound.
Still, I think if there are some transfers, Bone will target a big man first.
Agree on Simon
He will score but I don’t know if he will provide the low post help we need. Watson is talented but still so raw, Motum probably needs a couple years in the weight room, and Bjornstad is a couple years away as well.
A JC big would fit into the mix nicely allowing all 4 to work their way into the rotation.
I know Simon has a reputation as a perimeter player
But he is 6-9, and reportedly already bigger than Motum.
Simon is more perimeter
I think they have him playing the 2 this year to take advantage of his shooting. I have heard him compared to Phil Cullen who went to Utah more than say a Mark Hendrickson.
Simon can play the 4 but that doesn’t take away the need for a low post player that can rebound and defend, IMHO.
He can be a perimeter player on offense and a low post defender and rebounder ...
They aren’t mutually exclusive.
Isn't Bragg a walk on?
I am thinking I am wrong about that, but I thought for some reason he was a walk on.
He is
The bottom part is non scholly players.
Also if Enquist comes off, one of out walkons has to leave too
by Brian Floyd on Mar 2, 2010 4:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Good point
They seem to believe Bragg can play although he needs to get stronger (familiar theme!).
It would be worthwhile to look into Bone's history as a recruiter
Given his history at Washington, I would wonder if he’s a “Romar Math” type of guy who oversigns and has it “work out”, because if so then you’ll probably see the scholly chart balance out over the next couple of seasons.
His history as a recruiter involves taking a lot of transfers
So I’m not sure how much there is to be learned.
Someone looking for more playing time
Brown and Harthun would probably top that list.
Motum only because he an Aussie and a long way from home. If he is having any home sickness he could leave. I am not saying there is any but that could become a factor in his true frosh year. Hopefully not though. He will contribute down the road.
Conventional wisdom, if there is such a thing with this
Would have Harthun and Brown as the likely transfer candidates. Both are perimeter players, both are buried on a depth chart behind guys that aren’t going anywhere, and both will only be farther down said chart once Aden shows up.
But conventional wisdom gives us no real idea. As Nuss and thecassino talk about above, we have nothing to go on as far as how Bone runs a program at a major university. We are the test case.
Brown
I am really suspicious about Brown transferring – he grew up in Pullman, is from Spokane, and I believe his mother works and father graduated from WSU. Also, considering his sister is at WSU as well I think it is doubtful that he will transfer or be asked to have his scholarship removed.
Via WSU Website:
PERSONAL – Born Anthony Scott Brown in January of 1991 in Fulda, Germany…father Tony is a business owner…mother Angela, a WSU graduate, works for Spokane public schools…older sister Brianne is on the track and field team at WSU…younger brother D.J….enjoys drawing…major is undecided.
Brown's sister...
From his sister’s page
PERSONAL. Born in November 1989 in Spokane, Washington…father Tony is a business owner…mother Angela, a WSU graduate, is the WSU Director of Development for the Spokane campus…younger brothers Anthony and D.J…Anthony is on the WSU basketball team…plans to pursue a major in biology.
So, his mother works for WSU according to that one, but regardless I can’t really see him transferring.
She used to work for WSU
She works in Spokane, now. If she did work for WSU, it’s a nice little loophole around scholarships, by the way.
PSA: End the "rosterbation"
Nobody knows what’s going on behind the scenes. We can speculate about who the likely candidates are, but there’s really nothing to be gained from that. So let’s just not do it anymore, OK? It’s unfair to the players involved.
Here’s what we know.
1. It’s believed that Charlie’s scholarship was a one-year agreement.
2. If Charlie’s scholarship is a one-year agreement, there’s no need for anyone else to leave the program.
So, really, there’s no reason to speculate. If someone else commits, these are fair questions to ask. Not until then.

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