Is it 2006 all over again?
As we hit the offseason for Cougar basketball, I can't help but continue to notice some odd similarities between last season's Cougar team, and another WSU team that finished last in the conference. Don't believe me? Here are some comparisons in handy chart form:
| 2006 |
2010 |
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| Conference Record |
4-15 |
6-13 |
| Conference Finish |
10th |
10th |
| Record in last 10 games |
2-8 |
2-8 |
| Eliminated from Pac-10 tournament by |
Oregon |
Oregon |
| Kenpom Rank |
94th |
122nd |
| Seniors |
1 |
1 |
| Contributing Freshmen and Sophomores* |
8 |
12 |
| Key Postseason Transfer |
G Josh Akognon |
G Xavier Thames |
| Key Sophomores |
Low, Weaver, Cowgill |
Thompson, Casto, Capers |
| Roster strength |
Depth at guard |
Depth at guard |
| Roster weakness |
Lack of depth in frontcourt |
Lack of depth in frontcourt |
| Chance for a statement win the following season |
At home vs. Gonzaga |
At home vs. Gonzaga |
| Following season result |
2nd round NCAA Tournament |
??? |
*-'Contributing' meaning appearances in ten or more games
There you have it. Two teams with almost identical paths to disappointing seasons. Both struggled mightily down the stretch. Both finished tenth in the Pac-10. Both had similar roster compositions, and both lost a key guard to an off-season transfer. Both had only one senior (Randy Green, Nik Koprivica). The 2010 Cougars won more games; the 2006 Cougars should have won more if you believe in Ken Pomeroy's rankings. Both teams were extremely young and led primarily by sophomores. They both had a bazillion question marks heading into the offseason. However, they also had a chance to erase some of those early in the next season with a key home game against a favored, but vulnerable, Gonzaga team.
Read on for more, and why a jump to the Dance may not be so far-fetched for next fall's Cougar team...
In the interest of fairness, though, we should discuss the differences between these two teams. While the season results were similar, the in-game strengths and weaknesses were very different. One rather obvious discrepancy lies within the offense. That 2006 team was horrendous offensively. So bad they finished 256th (!) in the nation in offensive efficiency. They had only one player post an above-average (100) Rating: Josh Akognon, at 100.8, who left the following summer. In fact, a good comparison to this would be this year's USC team, which finished the year ranked 252nd, but was able to win some games on defense alone. It speaks volumes about the weakness of the Pac-10 this year that the Trojans somehow found their way to the middle of the conference standings. Meanwhile, this year's Cougars were more than competent in offense, finishing 105th, and really only faltering in one area: turnover rate. The 2006 Cougars were awful in all four offensive factors. The 2010 Cougars? Had seven players with above average O-ratings.
Now, let's talk defense. Once again, I can't help but reflect on this season's USC team, which finished second nationally in defensive efficiency. The 2006 Cougars weren't much worse, finishing seventh. That team excelled at one thing, which happens to be the most important thing on D: keeping shots out of the basket. They were second best nationally at defending the three (odd for a Bennett system that takes away the interior first), and 20th at defending two-point shots. They blocked shots. They got back quickly to eliminate fast break opportunities. Meanwhile, this year's WSU team struggled to find their defensive identity: mixing it up between man and zone, losing battles in isolation and giving up transition baskets. The current Cougars struggle mightily at the most important thing: they were 272nd in effective field goal percentage defense. You want to know why this current team didn't win more games? The Cougs gave up far too many open shots.
So, now, the paths diverge. The Cougars, in 2006, after Dick Bennett's final year, only needed to get better on offense. They had defense down to a science. However, they also needed to get a lot better on offense to succeed. The fact Tony Bennett's first WSU squad jumped all the way up to 54th nationally on offensive efficiency is nothing short of mind-boggling. The biggest impact came from Derrick Low's new found ability to shoot the lights out. But another key component, under the radar, was the emergence of Taylor Rochestie and Aron Baynes. The team also had a power forward in Ivory Clark that could draw some comparisons to our current one, DeAngelo Casto. Kyle Weaver emerged as a jack of all trades, and the team as a whole avoided turnovers like the plague. Better shot selection led the Cougars to a dramatic increase in shooting percentage. Tony Bennett turned on the faucet just a little bit - and the offense game gushing out. The result was a season that changed everything in how we view Cougar basketball.
In many ways, the 2010-11 Cougars road to success is less improbable than Tony Bennett's first team - the one that made a miraculous improvement on offense. The Cougars don't need to make leaps and bounds on either end of the floor; they simply need to make a marked improvement. Our current team isn't actually much worse than the 2007 tourney Cougs in three of the four defensive factors: turnover rate, offensive rebound prevention and free throw rate defense. Where they are worse, obviously, is in the most important area, shooting defense. This can be improved, though, simply by better on ball defense by players and better awareness of their opponents' sets. Team defense will also improve as the players get used to Bone's system, and learn each others' tendencies. Remember that youth also hurts in the sense that our guys have only been playing together for a year or two at most. An improvement in defense is very probable: the Cougs improved their defensive efficiency already against 7 of the 9 conference foes they played in the second half of the Pac-10 season. (You probably just didn't notice because the Cougs fell apart on offense) Keep shots out of the net next year, and the Cougs could make a dramatic improvement on D.
As for the offense, we know the potential for greatness is there. Heck, we saw it in action during the first half of the season, albeit against weaker opposition. Down the stretch, however, every single one of us know what killed the Cougs: turnovers and missed shots. You don't even need advanced stats to show you that. It's pretty safe to assume WSU will be able to protect the ball better next fall: those of us lamenting the loss of Xavier Thames might be well-served to note he had the exact same turnover rate (19.1) as Klay Thompson. Everyone on the roster should be more experienced with the higher-tempo offense next year and should (emphasis on should) keep the ball away from the other team. Meanwhile, with Klay Thompson and Reggie Moore taking a high percentage of shots, all it took was a slump by both to sink the Cougars' overall shooting percentage. Wouldn't it be safe to assume both should improve offensively next season? Take better shots? Make more shots? The only real concern here is how to replace Nikola Koprivica's three-point shooting impact. That's something that definitely remains up in the air, but could be solved by a combination of Faisel Aden's arrival and Klay Thompson rounding back into form.
We still don't know what the rest of the summer holds. There may yet be more transfers, and more question marks arising. Injuries are always a possibility (knock on wood). And what Ken Bone chooses to do with the newly opened scholarships will play a vital role in how this team performs next season and beyond.
However, I will say this: the chances of the 2011 Cougars making the tournament already seem much greater than the 2007 Cougars' chances, at least at this juncture in the early offseason.
Next season's team doesn't need an offensive miracle to make the Big Dance; they just simply need to get better.
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We are not deep at Guard! We are very thin.
Guards in Bone systems man the 1-3 position. Coach had the chance to go big and play Nik at 3 against some match-ups in the pac-10 but only did it very late in the year.
We only have 4 scholarship players that can play the 1-3. Moore, Aden, Thompson and Capers. That is it. Abe and Simon are too slow of foot to guard most threes in the pac-10.
We could hide them in a zone but if Bone wouldn’t use Nik at the 3, I don’t see him using Lodwick or Simon who are slower then Nik.
We have 7 front court players to 4 backcourt. He is obviously going to have to sign at least one more guard. We don’t have room to add a big guy unless one of the bigs leave.
This, I agree with
Losing Harthun and Thames means we gotta get another guard. (Which theoretically should be easier than getting another big man, anyway.)
by Jeff Nusser on Mar 30, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
We're still at the exact some spot at 2006, though
I agree we need another guard, especially with Allen going. The point remains that this year, the strength was depth at guard.
In regards to 2007, all we had as “guards” were Rochestie, Hopson (sparingly), Low, Matthews (Sparingly). I’m not sure if I should count Weaver as a guard, either.
by Brian Floyd on Mar 30, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
How do you know Simon and Abe are too slow?
And why does that matter? Just because someone might be deficient at something (like speed) doesn’t mean they can’t play the position.
I can maybe understand that remark about Abe, but Abe is listed as a guard on almost any roster you can find. If you’ve seen Simon play in person, congratulations. You’re one of the few. But he projects as a three.
If I haven’t said it before, I’ll say it now: one scholarship should go to a guard (or Lonnie Pearson who is 6’4" and can probably play a guard position) and the other to a big. Our front court players simply aren’t Pac-10 ready. Bone at least has to try to find someone who is.
by Grady Clapp on Mar 30, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Simon isn't
I think people look at his height and think slow. He’s not slow. In fact from what I’d seen he was playing SG and was out on the perimeter this year. Just because he’s tall doesn’t mean he’s too slow at all
by Brian Floyd on Mar 30, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Simon did play SG this year
which of course translates to becoming a PF in college….
He Plays Zone
I"ve seen Simon play multiple times. He plays on the back end of a zone defense. He does play man in AAU, however, do you think he can guard guys like Jamel Horne and Justin Holiday or Klay Thompson. Those are 3’s in the pac-10. Or previously Chase Budinger and Patrick Christopher. He can’t guard those guys and that is not an insult at him. He is going to be a 4 for us. We could hide Abe or Patrick in the zone defense but Bone didn’t go big with Nik at the 3 except for once late in the year. Nik is quicker then both those guys. If Bone wouldn’t go Big with Nik I don’t see him doing it with Simon or Abe
Using Nik as an example is probably not your best case
it could be argued that Nik wasn’t playing the 3 due to our lack of frontcourt options rather than he was simply “too slow”
You're placing far to much emphasis on positions
And Klay has more been a 2 in a 3’s body, unless you’re thinking Capers is a shooting guard. There are no real set in stone “positions”. Capers plays the 3 on offense and sometimes guards the 1 on defense. It all works out
Hbelvoir is prob one of those people who thinks Bishop Sankey doesn't have "top end speed"
Klay Thompson is my man crush
by crimson and gray on Mar 30, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, meant it as a joke
Klay Thompson is my man crush
by crimson and gray on Mar 30, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
The offseason improvement of Capers and Moore will be crucial.
If Capers can become a Weaver type defender and develop a decent jump shot it would be absolutely huge, I know he has the ability at least on the defensive end. If Moore can improve his decision making, defense, and his three point shooting it will be huge as well. I expect Klay and Casto to continue to make strides.
by Cougars Hunt and Kill on Mar 30, 2010 11:42 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I tend to think it's more crucial that two of Lodwick, Motum, Watson, and Simon emerging as quality bigs.
Nik gave us a lot of minutes at the 4 and we never really had anyone who was able to step in and play at the same level. Motum showed some great things on offense but there is a huge drop off in defensive rebounding when you compare him to Nik. Watson and Lodwick were comparable to Nik in defensive rebounding but both didn’t seem as capable on offense as Motum. So who knows what to expect from these guys?
I feel very confident that Moore, Capers, Casto, and Thompson will continue to improve so I’m mostly worried about the who will step into that 4 spot. Depth is also obviously a problem. If any of the guards get in foul trouble Bone will become severely limited in the line ups he can use. He almost can’t afford not to pick up another guard who can give us some minutes next season.
YES
You are dead on. One of the more underrated storylines of this past season was that Marcus Capers didn’t really emerge as the lock-down defender we thought he could be. It’s a shame he didn’t up his game and make the all-defensive team – he certainly has that kind of potential. There are a lot of similarities to Capers in his first two years and Weaver – two solid defenders with trouble finding their shooting touch. If Capers can find a way to score on more than just tip-jams and free throws, we’re in business.
by Grady Clapp on Mar 30, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I would like to see the tip-jams hang around tho :)
Klay Thompson is my man crush
by crimson and gray on Mar 30, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I never said he should give up the tip-jams
We need that sweet highlight reel material.
Also, ESPN reporting Steve Lavin to St. John’s. Interesting.
by Grady Clapp on Mar 30, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw that
Seemed like a matter of time until he got another job. St John’s has always been an interesting job to me. Seems like it has major potential…
Klay Thompson is my man crush
by crimson and gray on Mar 30, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
It used to, I don't know if it still does
And on another coaching change note, Tim Floyd is back in college ball! At UTEP!
by Brian Floyd on Mar 30, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Something makes me laugh
about him and Price being the football and basketball coaches there.
Klay Thompson is my man crush
by crimson and gray on Mar 30, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's keep threads on topic sir.
I ought to ban you for that.
CougCenter WSU's second main blog
by Craig Powers on Mar 30, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
GU is a chance for a statement, but not our only chance.
Don’t forget we play Kansas State next year at home. Could see that one played in Spokane or Seattle tho.
Klay Thompson is my man crush
by crimson and gray on Mar 30, 2010 12:27 PM PDT reply actions
I thought about that
I just thought it was eerie that after a last place season, we’ll come into a Nov/Dec game against what will probably be a ranked Gonzaga team. Meanwhile I doubt the Pac-10 media will give us much respect in the preseason poll.
by Grady Clapp on Mar 30, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
In other words
We’ll be underrated, the Zags will probably be a little overrated.
by Grady Clapp on Mar 30, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
SHOCKER
Klay Thompson is my man crush
by crimson and gray on Mar 30, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm giving a thumbs-down to this recent trend of "let's compare things to favorably cherrypicked examples!" posts
Frankly you’d be better off without these weird side-by-side lists of irrelevant common factors. It’s like those joke emails where they send around things that Lincoln and Kennedy had in common. Are they really suggesting that we should go around locking up people with three-word names? No, of course not. There’s no causation, just some weird coincidences. As you more or less prove later in the article, this team and the 05-06 team bear basically no resemblance in style, coach, players, etc. (and ditto Klay Thompson and Evan Turner, whose resemblance seems to begin and end with being 6’7" wing players).
If you’re going to compare “similar” teams and/or players, you need to compare them across the landscape of close comparables (this is what PECOTA does in projecting baseball players, for instance), not just to one comp that you like.
Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
You make a good point
If I had more time, and maybe once the dust settle from guys transferring at every school and the late signing period, it may be worthwhile to look at the conference as a whole and where it’s at. I can tell right off the bat that it was stronger in 06 and 07 than it was this year and should be next. 06-08 seemed to be the peak for the conference as a whole before the talent migration and dropoff this year.
It's going to be a long time before any Pac-10 conference reaches the level of the 2007-08 league
if it ever happens at all. That said, it’s going to be quite a bit better next year. The only teams that get worse are Cal (natch), probably Washington, and maybe Arizona State.
Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
Granted, some of the comparison elements are mere coincidence
But the key comparisons — young teams that didn’t finish strong and lost a number of close games but contained a bevy of young players expected to get much better the following year — give hope that a similar surge might be in the offing. I don’t think that’s invalid.

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